Had a buttkicking ride today and I feel great. The trail is in great shape. Only one cheater rock, and it was too big for me to remove. It's at the ledge at West entrance.

[QUOTE=screamPIT > ......" The trail is in great shape. Only one cheater rock, and it was too big for me to remove..."

Rock removal = death for you and our beloved trails. We need more rocks not less. So you probably enjoy riding 'off trail' too.

Oi just what we DONT need.

Please go for a ride with an educated local who knows bout respect. Riding off trail and removing rocks is bad. I would be happy to oblige.

Rock removal = death for you and our beloved trails. We need more rocks not less. So you probably enjoy riding 'off trail' too.

Oi just what we DONT need.

Please go for a ride with an educated local who knows bout respect. Riding off trail and removing rocks is bad. I would be happy to oblige.

You're kidding right? Screampint is a local, and from her posts she is a big advocate of good trails and knows about how to maintain them. In fact, I bet she knows the people personally who made that trail. A "cheater" rock, is one that someone added post-trail creation to make a section easier/ridable for THEM. As far as I'm concerned that would be a big no-no....Sounds to me like she was just returning the trail to it's original condtion.
So you were kidding right?

Kirk

[QUOTE=screamPIT > ......" The trail is in great shape. Only one cheater rock, and it was too big for me to remove..."

Rock removal = death for you and our beloved trails. We need more rocks not less. So you probably enjoy riding 'off trail' too.

Oi just what we DONT need.

Please go for a ride with an educated local who knows bout respect. Riding off trail and removing rocks is bad. I would be happy to oblige.

Cheater Rock = Rock added by someone without the skills to ride the trail as is.

I do know what you mean. Down here (Dgo) they have a great trail organization. I'm not knocking them because they do great work building new trails, but they go in and dig out a lot of rocks to make the trails more friendly when they run out of new trails to work on.

Kinda takes the fun out of it....

Correction und Apology
I am sitting here after printing out my original post. This paper is hard to swallow..( eating my own words). I retract all and Apologize to Ms Pint. I see red whenever it appears someone may be sanitizing my trails. What we need in more Rocks…Rocks = Love.

Thanks for explanation of Cheater Rock.

CSPRINGS

Cool...I agree. We need more rocks. Moore Fun is some sweet techy/rocky single track in Fruita. You should check it out (when it's cooler temps), if you haven't already.

Cheater Rock = Rock added by someone without the skills to ride the trail as is.

I do know what you mean. Down here (Dgo) they have a great trail organization. I'm not knocking them because they do great work building new trails, but they go in and dig out a lot of rocks to make the trails more friendly when they run out of new trails to work on.

Kinda takes the fun out of it....

Hey forkboy,
I've had this discussion with Bill about removing all the rocks. Since most of their work is in Horse Gulch and Ewing Mesa, and it is the only "beginner" stuff in the area, I don't mind. Bill says that different rocks often reappear.
I could use with a few less rocks on Animas Mountain though :)

Hey forkboy,
I've had this discussion with Bill about removing all the rocks. Since most of their work is in Horse Gulch and Ewing Mesa, and it is the only "beginner" stuff in the area, I don't mind. Bill says that different rocks often reappear.
I could use with a few less rocks on Animas Mountain though :)

I don't mind as much as I used to. I just try to go farther afield for my rides now. I work up at the college, and ride in horse gulch 3-4 times a week, so it gets to be a sort-of Zen thing where you know all the rocks personally.

The only times it has really bothered me was the first time they went through the Anasazi Descent (~3 years ago) and took out 75% of the difficult stuff, and the second time when they put water troughs in the same location. I rode it the day after they got done working on it, and unexpectedly hit a new trough that pretty much launched me 30 feet down the hill.

I quit worrying about it a while back - it's such a high traffic area, that it does need the work. It's way better to have Trails 2K doing the work than a bunch of well meaning jokers that don't have any experience.

Ya know, I have never ridden Animas Mountain. I've gone running up there a few times, but the trail just doesn't seem like it'd be a whole lot of fun on a bike.

Accepted. And thanks for looking into the definition of "cheater rock." It was placed below a ledge that will eat a chainring if you don't ride it correctly, thus making the ledge easier. It has since been removed, the trail has been restored to it's original state. And by the way, I did help build the trail.

In my opinion cheater rocks are akin to lowering the basketball hoop or chipping holds in a rock climb.