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    Osprey

    Id like to make a dedicated thread to Osprey's hydration packs, since theyre so awesome. I know quite a bit about the brand, so if anyone has questions, come here to ask and get other opinions as well! Also, feel free to post pics of your osprey, which one it is, and even a list of all the stuff you throw in it

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    Just bought a Raptor 10 on the advice of the LBS. It looks like it has alot of room and I really like the stiff bladder. Really don't know what all I am going to put in it yet, right now is tool, pump, some food.

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    I have a raptor 10. I carry a bike multitool,tube, patch kit, enegy gel, powerbar, small lock, niterider light, duct tape, small leatherman tool, and a lighter. Pump is strapped to my frame. I got the raptor for $55 on closeout from REI, and the clearance price was the reason I got it. One thing I noticed is that the backpanel is kind of abrasive. Have you noticed this? Not a big deal, its still very comfortable but I like the Viper series better I think.

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    I have been planning to upgrade my hydration pack for some time now and have been looking into many brands, models, and features that I think are important. There are many things that I like about the Osprey packs, but there are somethings that I like about the Camelbaks too. I have been looking at the Raptor for sometime, but they recently released the Escapist which I think may be more what I'm looking for. My question is about their bladders. It seems like there are mixed reviews about them around the internet. Amazon for example has many one star reviews dealing with the difficulty of use or leaking issues. That seems very confusing. Are people complaining about an older version or something? Its seems like they are much heavier too.

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    I havent had any problems with the osprey bladders. Its easier to open than camelbacks, I havent had the bite valve leak at all, and Its not heavy at all either. The rigidity is really nice, that combined with the hydrolock system keep the bladder in place really well and is very comfortable. When I read escapist I was like "You like that one? Really?" But after looking on Ospreys site I found that the escapist looks amazing. Are you looking at the 20 or 30? Also check out the Manta for a more bike specific pack but the escapist looks really nice. There is a profound difference between something like a Viper or Raptor and something like the Manta or Escapist. Really consider which type you want. A large all day or capable overnight pack or a smaller lighter pack for nothing more than about 6ish hours. Either way, I would reccomend Osprey over Camelbak erryday

    Also, I dont believe the escapist comes with a reservoir and it does not have the hydrolock system. It says it has a hydration pocket but that it is "external." Doesnt seem to be a dedicated hydro pack, might wanna look into that. Try them on if you can, and give the Manta a good look.

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    Thanks for the reply ltk1144. Well that is good to hear that the bladder hasn't given you any issues. I have the older Camelbak bladder myself and the lid is a pain to deal with as is the bladder falling down in a bunch when not full. Both reasons contribute to my motivation to find a new pack. I have an old Cloudwalker that is about 20 liters now. It is plenty for most my riding, typically less than a day. However, I have been looking for something more substantial for winter riding and also bike packing trips. That is one of the things that appealed to me about the Escapist 30. In an ideal world I will eventually have both something like a Raptor 10 or 14 for the little day rides and such, and also something like the Escapist 30 for winter and bike packing etc. I have looked at the Manta as well, but I like the bike specific features of the Escapist series. More organization spaces for tools etc. It is categorized as a bike specific pack on Ospreys site. One thing that bothers me about it thought is that it doesn't come with a bladder. So that adds another $30 to the already $130 pack. That is a lot! Also I don't think the Escapist has the hydrolock system either like the Raptor and other hydraulic specific packs. I realize that they are very different packs, and that I probably won't be able to find a "one size fits all" type of pack for all the activities I want to do. I guess if I got the raptor first to try it out, and liked it, I could then get the Escapist later and just switch the bladder between them. I was thinking though that I should get the bigger pack first in case it wasn't everything I hoped it would be, that I would still have the pack that could meet both needs. What is it about the Viper that makes you prefer it? You said that you use a Raptor 10 now, and it seems like you put a good amount of stuff in it. I assume it would handle a lunch and rain/wind jacket etc in addition to the items you mentioned? There is no where around me that I could go to look at these packs in person less than a couple hours drive, so I pretty much have to make the decision based on whatever information I can glean from the internet. I am trying to see if I should be leaning more toward the 10 or the 14 and also now between the Raptor and the Viper. I hadn't been considering the Viper previously. The Raptor seems better looking to me, but function and comfort are more important to me.

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    I would like to have a Viper because the backpanel seems a little less ventilated but a little more padded and softer. I also dont like the side pocket on my raptor, and I like that the viper 10 has a shoulder pocket instead of my raptor's hipbelt pockets. The hipbelt pockets would be fine but to be able to put my phone in there instead of my shorts pocket I would like to have a zipper. The shoulder pocket on the Viper has no zipper, but I wouldnt worry about my phone coming out of it.

    Personally I would choose the Manta over the Escapist because the Hydrolock in combination with the bladder is amazingly comfortable and easy to insert the bladder with a fully stuffed pack. I also like the backpanel on the manta better than the escapist. What bike-specific features are you seeing on the Escapist that arent on the Manta? Manta has hydrolock which is good.

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    I'm thinking of getting a Viper 7 because I like the bungee straps on the outside for carrying a windbreaker or extra layer of clothing.

    I don't know what's the difference between the Viper and Raptor series. If I decide on the Viper 7 should I get the black, blue or yellow color?

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    +1 on the Osprey love
    I ride my bike to work every day on real mountain bike trails, and do epics on the weekend.....lotsa hours in the saddle in hot brushy rough conditions.... and I've been using a Raptor 18 for about a year and a half. Osprey raised the bar significantly with these packs. After multiple camalbak (good), Dakine (terrible), and Northface (really good) hydration packs, I can say in all seriousness that the Osprey packs are revolutionary in terms of a secure fit, comfort, no movement, and load support. The bladder is awesome.... most funk resistant of any I've used, bite valve is the best (high flow, reversible, open/closes with ease, magnetic keeper is really nice), and no other pack allows for such easy bladder fill ups and replacement with a packed bag. Storage layout, features like the lid lock, the fact that they come in two sizes per model are great, but it's the good ole fashion fit and load support that only a real backpack company could create that make it untouchable. With a light load on a hard fast ride I can cinch all the straps down and it's like wearing a much smaller pack, but at the end of the week I can add a day or two worth of dirty clothes and tupperware in with the usual bike tools, tube, pump, light, snacks, and water.....and it just swallows it all and never get uncomfortable.

    Customer support is awesome too. I did have a problem with a bite valve after a year... filled out their web form, they sent me a whole new bladder on the spot, gratis.

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    Riding as much as I do in a hot climate, it gets funky smelling, as all my past bags have. The downside is just that all the support comes at a cost, and you need to remove the 2 back panel pieces to give it a good cleaning.... just a little extra step.

    The elastic bands on the shoulder straps that keep the H2O hose in place started coming unraveled after about a year. I just got an RMA # from their site to send it in for repair, so verdict's still out on that, but I expect they'll handle it like champs.

    I had an REI rebate and thought maybe I'll look at a new bag since the Osprey needs repair and it smells like roadkill, but still nobody else has come close to these bags.

    The Manta's really look awesome for hot weather riding and the option of going even bigger than the raptor 18... they don't use the interior space quite as efficiently, but in my climate having the bag basically suspended above your back rather than laying on it is pretty cool... pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    I'm thinking of getting a Viper 7 because I like the bungee straps on the outside for carrying a windbreaker or extra layer of clothing.

    I don't know what's the difference between the Viper and Raptor series. If I decide on the Viper 7 should I get the black, blue or yellow color?
    In the smaller packs there is actually not to much of a difference. Raptor has a stretch pocket that will keep things more secure but will not hold as much as the bungees on the Viper. The pockets are esentially the same-both have a large one with the same organization and a no-scratch top pocket. Also the Viper has a shoulder strap pocket but the Raptor has hipbelt pockets. Viper hipbelts are removable, and Raptor hipbelts look a little more comfortable and dont detatch but can be folded back and clipped out of the way. I like all the colors and kind of like the yellow actually, but some people consider it "puky", so your choice.

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    +1 on the Osprey love
    I ride my bike to work every day on real mountain bike trails, and do epics on the weekend.....lotsa hours in the saddle in hot brushy rough conditions.... and I've been using a Raptor 18 for about a year and a half. Osprey raised the bar significantly with these packs. After multiple camalbak (good), Dakine (terrible), and Northface (really good) hydration packs, I can say in all seriousness that the Osprey packs are revolutionary in terms of a secure fit, comfort, no movement, and load support. The bladder is awesome.... most funk resistant of any I've used, bite valve is the best (high flow, reversible, open/closes with ease, magnetic keeper is really nice), and no other pack allows for such easy bladder fill ups and replacement with a packed bag. Storage layout, features like the lid lock, the fact that they come in two sizes per model are great, but it's the good ole fashion fit and load support that only a real backpack company could create that make it untouchable. With a light load on a hard fast ride I can cinch all the straps down and it's like wearing a much smaller pack, but at the end of the week I can add a day or two worth of dirty clothes and tupperware in with the usual bike tools, tube, pump, light, snacks, and water.....and it just swallows it all and never get uncomfortable.

    Customer support is awesome too. I did have a problem with a bite valve after a year... filled out their web form, they sent me a whole new bladder on the spot, gratis.

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    Riding as much as I do in a hot climate, it gets funky smelling, as all my past bags have. The downside is just that all the support comes at a cost, and you need to remove the 2 back panel pieces to give it a good cleaning.... just a little extra step.

    The elastic bands on the shoulder straps that keep the H2O hose in place started coming unraveled after about a year. I just got an RMA # from their site to send it in for repair, so verdict's still out on that, but I expect they'll handle it like champs.

    I had an REI rebate and thought maybe I'll look at a new bag since the Osprey needs repair and it smells like roadkill, but still nobody else has come close to these bags.

    The Manta's really look awesome for hot weather riding and the option of going even bigger than the raptor 18... they don't use the interior space quite as efficiently, but in my climate having the bag basically suspended above your back rather than laying on it is pretty cool... pun intended.
    Yea, most of the downsides you mentioned are pretty real, but Osprey takes care of them well. Ive never washed my hydro packs though, and I ride in Phoenix but never had a problem with smell, maybe thats because of the dry climate. I look at problems such as bite valve shoulder straps etc. as an excuse to get a new pack! I know what you mean about that Airspeed sunpension(im familiar with all their terms) thats featured on the Manta and the new Syncro. Aggreed, no one else comes close to Osprey with features and comfort

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    Osprey makes kick ass packs. I still prefer Camelbak for hydration packs though. No other hydration pack can beat them in ruggedness and reliability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    Osprey makes kick ass packs. I still prefer Camelbak for hydration packs though. No other hydration pack can beat them in ruggedness and reliability.
    That hasn't really been my experience. The weight and texture of the fabrics used make the Camelbaks seem like they would be more durable, Osprey's less so, but a "backpack" guy at the shop where I bought my Raptor (after looking hard at the HAWG NV, which is a cool pack too, I admit) said "Don't be fooled...Osprey's been doing this for decades and I would expect it to actually hold up better even though it seems lighter"... I thought "Well, OK, hmmm" and decided to give it a try based on the fit and stability, but as it turns out my experience on the trail has matched that guy's durability claim. My main riding buddy had a HAWG (pre-NV) that just started getting holes where contents rubbed over time and wore through the material.... no such thing on either of our Raptors...... I've had better long term experience with Osprey's bladders too.
    Loose & frayed hose keeper straps notwithstanding (and that's really just cosmetic...no effect on performance), the Ospreys have held up better for me and others in my crew who've used both. Even if mine did wear out and have to be replaced sooner, the vastly superior fit, stability, and bladder scheme would be worth it to me..... IMHO
    Not hating on Camelbak... they make good stuff, and are the originator of the industry...kudos to them... I'd happily own one again...in a world with no Osprey.

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    I just bought an Osprey Viper 7 yesterday! Thunder Cloud color. Can't wait for it to arrive. From the research I've done, the Osprey bladder alone is reason enough to choose Osprey over Camelbak. Ignoring all the great features their bags have over Camelbak.
    MountainBike Action magazine did a great write up on the Viper 7 - gave it 5/5 stars. They loved it.
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    hawg nv originally but got an osprey viper 10

    osprey viper 10 here and i have no complaints so far it is easy to fill easy to carry and holds what i need and could hold some more if needed. i actually am thinking of selling my hawg nv to buy a bigger osprey pack for longer trips because i feel they are more comfortable and handle the water placement better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Not hating on Camelbak... they make good stuff, and are the originator of the industry...kudos to them... I'd happily own one again...in a world with no Osprey.
    Well said, Ive had 4 Camelbaks and they are second only to Osprey, but I think not really a close second, Osprey is so amazing and far ahead. Great durability too!
    Quote Originally Posted by quikcolin View Post
    I just bought an Osprey Viper 7 yesterday! Thunder Cloud color. Can't wait for it to arrive. From the research I've done, the Osprey bladder alone is reason enough to choose Osprey over Camelbak. Ignoring all the great features their bags have over Camelbak.
    MountainBike Action magazine did a great write up on the Viper 7 - gave it 5/5 stars. They loved it.
    There you go thatdrewguy, I aggree with everything this guy said. If the Viper 7 is the size you are looking for I dont think it can be beat by any others!
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    osprey viper 10 here and i have no complaints so far it is easy to fill easy to carry and holds what i need and could hold some more if needed. i actually am thinking of selling my hawg nv to buy a bigger osprey pack for longer trips because i feel they are more comfortable and handle the water placement better.
    Good idea. I have 3 Camelbaks still that id like to sell off and get money for some sort of Osprey. If you want a big replacement for your HAWG, check out Talon 22, Manta, and Escapist. Be warned though, the Escapist is a little more bike-specific than the Manta but is not intended as a Hydro pack. It has a compartment for a bladder, but its not the Hydrolock that makes Osprey popular and also doesnt have the magnet thing. Talon 22 might be the best if you like any of the colors. Manta has great suspension but lacks the tool-specific pockets that the Talon has and does not have Lidlock.

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    I went and checked out the Viper 7 & 10 today. Without the weight of any water the 10 felt about the same size as the 7, at least I couldn't tell the difference. It comes down to the outer pocket on the 10 & 3-liter bladder vs the bungee cords and 2-liter capacity of the 7. I think I'm going with the 7 in puke yellow since I still want a pack with the bungee.

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    I ordered the Viper 7 from o2gearshop for $58.46 with free shipping. They sell the Viper 7 for $79 as well on that site. The difference is code S11 = Spring2011 and S12 = Spring2012. I called Osprey and asked if there were changes between S11 and S12 and the person said no difference at all and no reason not to buy last seasons pack at the discounted price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    That hasn't really been my experience. The weight and texture of the fabrics used make the Camelbaks seem like they would be more durable, Osprey's less so, but a "backpack" guy at the shop where I bought my Raptor (after looking hard at the HAWG NV, which is a cool pack too, I admit) said "Don't be fooled...Osprey's been doing this for decades and I would expect it to actually hold up better even though it seems lighter"... I thought "Well, OK, hmmm" and decided to give it a try based on the fit and stability, but as it turns out my experience on the trail has matched that guy's durability claim. My main riding buddy had a HAWG (pre-NV) that just started getting holes where contents rubbed over time and wore through the material.... no such thing on either of our Raptors...... I've had better long term experience with Osprey's bladders too.
    Loose & frayed hose keeper straps notwithstanding (and that's really just cosmetic...no effect on performance), the Ospreys have held up better for me and others in my crew who've used both. Even if mine did wear out and have to be replaced sooner, the vastly superior fit, stability, and bladder scheme would be worth it to me..... IMHO
    Not hating on Camelbak... they make good stuff, and are the originator of the industry...kudos to them... I'd happily own one again...in a world with no Osprey.
    Really? I've been buying Camelbak products ever since they came out with the first hydration pack. (Which I still use from time to time) I have several Camelbak products have used the hell out of them in the most extreme conditions and they still keep going strong. No rips, tears, or fraying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    Really? I've been buying Camelbak products ever since they came out with the first hydration pack. (Which I still use from time to time) I have several Camelbak products have used the hell out of them in the most extreme conditions and they still keep going strong. No rips, tears, or fraying.
    Yea, Ive never had tears on any of my Camelbaks. But I dont think Ospreys are any worse. As the bacon guy mentioned even though the fabric on my Raptor has a wierd texture compared to Camelbak, I dont think it is any less durable. Maybe ill have to do some research on nylon fabrics now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltk1144 View Post
    But I dont think Ospreys are any worse.
    Absolutely not. Osprey makes incredible packs. I have one of their big packs for extreme backpacking and it is tough as nails and lightweight.

    Didn't mean to hijack the thread with which is better. I love Osprey for regular backpacks, but I when it comes to hydration packs Camelbak is the original and only way to go in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    Absolutely not. Osprey makes incredible packs. I have one of their big packs for extreme backpacking and it is tough as nails and lightweight.

    Didn't mean to hijack the thread with which is better. I love Osprey for regular backpacks, but I when it comes to hydration packs Camelbak is the original and only way to go in my opinion.
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    I have been using my raptor10 for 5 months now and I really like this pack. Swallows everything I want it to and holds more water than I will need for my rides. I found the osprey packs to fit me much better than camelbacks offerings. It's so stable when I'm riding or hiking that I sometimes forget I have a backpack on.

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    There is something off with the bladder on my Raptor 10. Used it 3 times with no issues, but today I came out of my house with the pack on my back, and my pants were soaked. Was confused but going to work so just threw it all in my car. After work went for my ride, and the bag was soaked on the bottom, I threw the pack on and started climbing and felt drip drip drip down my back. Pulled out the bladder and yup it was just dripping along the seems on the bottom of the pack. Oddly, flipped the pack around and it dripped from the fill hole too. I noticed a cheap plastic ring around the fill hole that was loose but put that back in; however, dripping continuous the whole ride. Now here's the kicker...get home, pissed off, and filled up the pack again to test...no drips. wtf?!

    3 of my camelbacks never leaked from the fill hole, and definitely never never never from the bladder. My pants were soaked and I doubt a pack is this tricky to set up unless I'm very confused. Will keep an eye on this overnight and see what happens

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    mine did this once also it was the hard plastic ring around the bladder opening itself that holds the lid so you dont lose it. it had just worked its way up on the threads of the bladder opening so it would not seal completely i just pushed it back down so it was below the threads on the bladder opening and have not had any problems since.
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    Yeah, mine leaks too and gets me wet when I don't screw the lid on all the way...

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    Osprey earned my lifelong loyalty years ago with the best daypack I've ever owned. One of the best products I've ever owned period. So when it came time to get a hydration pack for riding, a Viper was the choice. And overall I'm very happy with it. After maybe 9 months of every-ride use, with many significant crashes, it's still in more-or-less new condition. And it's comfortable, generally easy to use, with good storage.

    But the bitevalves have been a pain in the ass. I've had two fail, leaking like a faucet all over my jersey and shorts. Osprey service has been great, but great product beats great service. And, as someone already mentioned, the elastic straps that hold the valve tube are cheesy, far less durable than the rest of the pack and a dumb design choice IMO. Their flimsiness matters because to fill the bladder, you either have to snake the valve through the flimsy straps every time or you have to leave the tube attached to the pack, which is clumsy. And I could also quibble and say that it would be nice if there was a convenient place for smaller parts, they all end up in the bottom of the pack where you can't see them.

    So in my opinion the Viper is excellent but could be improved in a couple significant respects. Unlike my daypack, which remains perfect in every way, 13 years later.

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    I have the Osprey Syncro 15 and love it. Very light and comfortable to wear. Osprey is the only way to go with packs.
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    I have an osprey stratos 24 that is quite old and has been through hell season after season. I use it for every thing including skiing, trail work and scientific field work as well. Caries trail tools pretty well. Recently the zipper on the top pocket completely failed, the metal separated from the fabric. No problem at all sent it in to osprey and they sent it back with a replaced zipper pretty darn quick. I would rate there guarantee and service as being among the very best out there. I was quite relieved to get my old pack back with a new zipper rather than a brand new model. The newer model is not as good for strapping a pulaski on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    +1 on the Osprey love
    I ride my bike to work every day on real mountain bike trails, and do epics on the weekend.....lotsa hours in the saddle in hot brushy rough conditions.... and I've been using a Raptor 18 for about a year and a half. Osprey raised the bar significantly with these packs. After multiple camalbak (good), Dakine (terrible), and Northface (really good) hydration packs, I can say in all seriousness that the Osprey packs are revolutionary in terms of a secure fit, comfort, no movement, and load support. The bladder is awesome.... most funk resistant of any I've used, bite valve is the best (high flow, reversible, open/closes with ease, magnetic keeper is really nice), and no other pack allows for such easy bladder fill ups and replacement with a packed bag. Storage layout, features like the lid lock, the fact that they come in two sizes per model are great, but it's the good ole fashion fit and load support that only a real backpack company could create that make it untouchable. With a light load on a hard fast ride I can cinch all the straps down and it's like wearing a much smaller pack, but at the end of the week I can add a day or two worth of dirty clothes and tupperware in with the usual bike tools, tube, pump, light, snacks, and water.....and it just swallows it all and never get uncomfortable.

    Customer support is awesome too. I did have a problem with a bite valve after a year... filled out their web form, they sent me a whole new bladder on the spot, gratis.

    Downsides:

    Riding as much as I do in a hot climate, it gets funky smelling, as all my past bags have. The downside is just that all the support comes at a cost, and you need to remove the 2 back panel pieces to give it a good cleaning.... just a little extra step.

    The elastic bands on the shoulder straps that keep the H2O hose in place started coming unraveled after about a year. I just got an RMA # from their site to send it in for repair, so verdict's still out on that, but I expect they'll handle it like champs.

    I had an REI rebate and thought maybe I'll look at a new bag since the Osprey needs repair and it smells like roadkill, but still nobody else has come close to these bags.

    The Manta's really look awesome for hot weather riding and the option of going even bigger than the raptor 18... they don't use the interior space quite as efficiently, but in my climate having the bag basically suspended above your back rather than laying on it is pretty cool... pun intended.
    I'm glad someone else made mention of the smell. I have never had a pack smell so much at the straps. I posted another thread about it. Osprey has worked with me and I am very appreciative. I love Osprey's packs. I ride with a Raptor 6, soon to be 10, as my everyday pack. I've had a little "Swiss Army" pack that I bought years ago that is about done at this point. It is my "light, fast, and short" pack. I bought a Viper 4 to replace it, but reluctantly sent it back as I realized it's pocket wasn't big enough for a pump. I just purchased a Camelbak Rogue...it seems perfect for light and fast, but still has room for a tube and pump. I'll see how I like it. Anything bigger and it will be an Osprey for me as well.

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    I had a Raptor 10, but ended up returning the product after 2 months of use. I liked the pack based on the features as everyone has pointed out. The reason I returned it was due to the design of the elastic straps that guided the valve tube. Like OldManBike said, every fill or cleaning required me to remove it from the elastic straps that held the valve tube in place. One strap has completely ripped and the other one had started to fray. A possible help to this might be a quick release or disconnect of the valve tube to the bladder. In addition, it is a PITA to clean. No easy way to vent it out or clean inside the bladder, I propped it open with something inside to air it out. These are my minor gripes and reason for returning the product. I have started researching other packs where the bladders can be flipped inside out for cleaning convenience with convenient disconnects.

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    Why are you guys completely removing the bladder AND HOSE to fill the bladder? I almost never pull the tube out of the strap keeper....only when I'm cleaning the bag.
    I've never had any trouble with mold in the bladder either. I bought one of Osprey's cleaning/drying kits but have never even taken it out of the packaging. I had never put much faith in "anti microbial treatments", but it sure seems to work in Osprey's bladders.
    I just saw one of their new Synchro bags at the LBS, and I'm stoked about them....first bike-focused bag with the airspeed back panel....will be so nice in the heat of summer.

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    I've been using a North Face Gulper pack for years now, it's really nice. Uses a Nalgene bladder and hose, so it's got the little magnet, and a really nice bite valve.

    But I was in REI the other day buying my second Osprey backpack (Atmos & Stratos), and lusting after the hydration packs.... I bet I'll end up with one the next time REI has a sale They're the only thing I've seen that's looks better than my North Face.
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    Yep, I arrived at Osprey by way of North Face too. My NF bag was really good, but the fit and stability of the Osprey is much better, with the same excellent Nalgene hose setup.

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    Well, I just bought an Osprey Viper 10 at REI and all I have to say is WOW!!!! I love everything about it.

    I think it will now get more use than my Camelbaks.

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    I have a Raptor 6, I kinda wish I'd gotten the Raptor 10 or 14. The 6 is a great pack for 90% of rides, the construction is very good (though it's a bit heavy), the stiffened panel in the bladder does a great job of preventing the pack from turning into a sausage when the pack is stuffed full.
    On longer rides or if I bring pads or lots of clothing I have to use another pack (I have a few Camelbaks) - This is why I wish I had the 10 or 14. I've found that using the stiffened Osprey bladder in the Camelbaks makes them more comfortable and stable.

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    I'm thinking about getting a Wingnut for my larger pack, as that seems more appropriate for heavier loads. Anyone thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim-ti View Post
    I'm thinking about getting a Wingnut for my larger pack, as that seems more appropriate for heavier loads. Anyone thoughts?
    What large are you talking about? Like 14 large or 25 large? The way the Wingnuts sit low on your back is cool, but one reason I like Osprey is stability, and having the pack low like that will definately comprimise. If I knew what size you need I think I could put out a few recomendations and reviews for you

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    Any any use the osprey 26 commuter, for regular use mountain biking backpack. I like to carry the most stuff i can , including tools, extra jacket and shirt, food,lights, and beer. I just want to know if this would a good option, or would this be over kill?? Any information would help.
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    Both Osprey and Wingnut seem to be pursuing the goal of increasing pack stability by keeping a large surface in contact with your body. Do you have experience that suggests either of these brands achieve this better in the 10-18l size?

    Does the vertical orientation of the Osprey work better for carrying pads? I've heard folk say that the Wingnuts are cooler because the top of your back is exposed, but I wonder doesn't having your kidneys covered offset that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blumena84 View Post
    Any any use the osprey 26 commuter, for regular use mountain biking backpack. I like to carry the most stuff i can , including tools, extra jacket and shirt, food,lights, and beer. I just want to know if this would a good option, or would this be over kill?? Any information would help.
    If you're referring to the "Momentum" commuter bag then Yes, I have the 34 version of it. It's a GREAT travel, carry-on, overnighter, computer & clothes bag. But I would not recommend it for mtb use at all. The back panel does not have the structure & support to maintain a good fit when loaded....you stuff it full and it takes on the stuffed sausage shape.... basically, it's not that comfortable to wear with a heavy load, especially on the bike, and it won't handle hydr. bladder duty nearly as well as one that's designed for it like the Raptor and some of the other newer bags they've come out with. I carry all the stuff you're talking about in my Raptor 18 on a regular basis... I just try to stick to 4 packs of G-Night rather than 6 packs of Dales to keep it manageable

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    thank you that was really helpful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim-ti View Post
    Both Osprey and Wingnut seem to be pursuing the goal of increasing pack stability by keeping a large surface in contact with your body.
    I don't think that's the case with the Osprey Raptor at least. It's actually quite narrow for it's volume. The stability is achieved through a rigid back panel, a highly engineered bladder & bladder sleeve that prevent the water from pooling at the bottom or sloshing around, and well laid out compression straps to snug everything down. I can't speak from experience on the Wingnut or some of the other Osprey bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim-ti View Post
    Both Osprey and Wingnut seem to be pursuing the goal of increasing pack stability by keeping a large surface in contact with your body. Do you have experience that suggests either of these brands achieve this better in the 10-18l size?

    Does the vertical orientation of the Osprey work better for carrying pads? I've heard folk say that the Wingnuts are cooler because the top of your back is exposed, but I wonder doesn't having your kidneys covered offset that?
    I have never even seen a wingnut, so sorry no experience with those. All of Ospreys packs seem to have a better stability than others though due to the rigidity and compression straps. One thing I have heard though is that the Syncro series might be less stable due to the load being lifted off your back more.

    If your wanting to carry pads securely, definately look into the Zealot series. Those things are designed amazingly and I particularly like the roll out tool pouch. They are majorly expensive though, depending on what size but always over $100. I would have gotten one even though I dont use pads, but the price and also the back loading system kept me away.

    10-18 liter is kind of a broad range. You said you had a 6 and based on that I would reccomend going above 12 especially if you want pads and a jacket. The Viper 13 , Raptor 14 or 18 depending on what you want, Syncro 15 is very cool and I am not to concerned about their lack of stability but on a pack that big compression straps would be nice. And of course there is the Zealot 16 which is awesome but out of most peoples price range.

    FYI: I have a Raptor 10 as I mentioned earlier and its probably 3x better than any of the Camelbaks Ive had. One thing to consider is that although the pack seems similar size as the MULE, the Raptor 10 has waayyyyy less storage. I wish I had a Viper 13 or maybe a 14l Raptor.

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    Those of you with knowledge about Raptors; I was looking to get a Raptor 6 but I noticed online that they come in a smaller size and a larger size. I know that one has 5 liters an the other has 6 liters capacity but is that the only difference in size? Meaning, the smaller one isn't more suited to a woman's frame and he large for a mans frame? I am a male and liked the idea of the smaller 5 liter cargo capacity but didn't want to order it and it be tiny in the straps.

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    I'm 5'11" & 160 lbs and I got the size L Raptor 18. It fits well and the straps could be shorter than they are and still be long enough.... no downside to long straps though because they have the little strap keepers so you don't have loose ends hanging down. The Osprey website has dimensions for the different sizes. Personally, I would buy the size that's right for your torso and let the storage volume be what ever it's going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    I'm 5'11" & 160 lbs and I got the size L Raptor 18. It fits well and the straps could be shorter than they are and still be long enough.... no downside to long straps though because they have the little strap keepers so you don't have loose ends hanging down. The Osprey website has dimensions for the different sizes. Personally, I would buy the size that's right for your torso and let the storage volume be what ever it's going to be.
    I just checked out osprey's website for the raptor 6. It doesn't say anything about the dimension difference between the smaller and larger size.... Only capacity difference

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    Yeah, you're right... my bad. I thought they showed dims for both sizes.... guess I just saw metric vs std. Maybe a call to Osprey would make sense.

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    Question for Syncro 15 owners

    I'm due for a new bag, and haven't been able to try a Syncro 15 in any local stores.... only 10's and 20's. I know I don't want the 20...I've got big bags covered. The 10 would work for 80% of my rides, but I'd like to have the extra capacity if there's no downside. I went this way with my Raptor, getting the largest 18, and I feel like there's really not any downside because with 4 compression straps it handles and controls small loads just as well as big. So my question is.... Since the 15 has pretty decent capacity, but no external comp. straps, how does it feel when it's half empty and you're riding aggressively. Do contents move around....Do your tools in that outer pocket flop around when you're hitting drops, etc.? Or is it pretty well controlled regardless of load?....
    This is the only question keeping me from pulling the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    I'm due for a new bag, and haven't been able to try a Syncro 15 in any local stores.... only 10's and 20's. I know I don't want the 20...I've got big bags covered. The 10 would work for 80% of my rides, but I'd like to have the extra capacity if there's no downside. I went this way with my Raptor, getting the largest 18, and I feel like there's really not any downside because with 4 compression straps it handles and controls small loads just as well as big. So my question is.... Since the 15 has pretty decent capacity, but no external comp. straps, how does it feel when it's half empty and you're riding aggressively. Do contents move around....Do your tools in that outer pocket flop around when you're hitting drops, etc.? Or is it pretty well controlled regardless of load?....
    This is the only question keeping me from pulling the trigger.
    I dont own a Syncro 15, but what your saying is something ive thought about too. Without compression straps, the downsides of a larger bag are actually there. The capacity is nice but since its supposed to be a streamline, ventilated, and stable bag it seems like comp straps would be necesary on the larger ones. My Raptor 10 has 1 set of comp straps and I think the syncros should have at least that.

    About the sizing thing. The sizes are torso sizes, and indicate the length of the bag. That is the only measurnment that changes and it effects the capacity a little. I would say the small size for anyone 5' 8'' or so. But try to try bags on. You can go to pretty much anywhere that has Osprey's hydro packs. All M/L packs have the same length if they are in the hydration pack line. Also know that the Viper series are all M/L and their equivelent, Verve are all S/M size as they are designed to be Men/Women specific packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltk1144 View Post
    I dont own a Syncro 15, but what your saying is something ive thought about too. Without compression straps, the downsides of a larger bag are actually there. The capacity is nice but since its supposed to be a streamline, ventilated, and stable bag it seems like comp straps would be necesary on the larger ones. My Raptor 10 has 1 set of comp straps and I think the syncros should have at least that.
    Yeah, exactly. The Syncro 20 has one set of straps, but I can use my stinky old Raptor 18 when I need to carry the kitchen sink....I want to go a little more streamlined, but don't want to have to switch to the Raptor every time I do an epic and need to add a little extra food and a rain jacket.

    C'mon Syncro 15 owners...somebody help a brutha out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Yeah, exactly. The Syncro 20 has one set of straps, but I can use my stinky old Raptor 18 when I need to carry the kitchen sink....I want to go a little more streamlined, but don't want to have to switch to the Raptor every time I do an epic and need to add a little extra food and a rain jacket.

    C'mon Syncro 15 owners...somebody help a brutha out!
    Syncro is relatively new and kinda expensive. Not that many owners and probably very few on mtbr. Look at youtube and do a search for reviews on it.

    Is the Syncro the only one you like? 15 is pretty close to 18. I would get like a Viper 13 or something. The Zealot is fricken beast but costs like twice as much as others as I said above and only has 2 size options

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    They're cheaper than the Raptors were when I bought mine. It's the airspeed back panel that I'm after... I ride 5-6 days a week where summer lasts 7 months and it's fairly humid....hence the smelly Raptor

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    They're cheaper than the Raptors were when I bought mine. It's the airspeed back panel that I'm after... I ride 5-6 days a week where summer lasts 7 months and it's fairly humid....hence the smelly Raptor
    Yea my 10 and its smaller but still same ventilation as the bigger ones. Its still better than any Camelbaks ive had but not as good as the airspeed. The one thing I really like about Camelbak is the NV system. Its not as ventilated as the Airspeed by far but super padded. I never have issues with lack of padding though and the feature set on Ospreys are sooo much more worth it over Camelbaks. Plus NV MULEs are super expensive too. My point about price is that they are still pretty expensive and not many owners. I would gladly pay that much for the pack but I cant afford to be repetitive. My Raptor was a smokin deal at $55 from REI, theres even a thread about it. Theyre back to $100 now though, but still available for around $80 from elsewhere.

    Where do you live? Im in Phoenix AZ where its gets above 80 for well over half of the year. 80 is alright but for the 4-5 actual summer months when its 100+ degrees I dont ride so much. We also have super dry temps which I really appreciate but can be bad too.

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    Just bought a Raptor 18 from Amazon... can't wait for it to be delivered. Someone needs to tell Osprey that they should carry black in all their styles. Some of these colors are outrageous lol.

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    Does the Raptor have the hose guides on both the left and right shoulder straps, like Camelbacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moldau94 View Post
    Does the Raptor have the hose guides on both the left and right shoulder straps, like Camelbacks?
    I think you can thread it down either side.
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    That would make sense, but I had read that the older Raptors had it threaded only on the right side, like the picture above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moldau94 View Post
    That would make sense, but I had read that the older Raptors had it threaded only on the right side, like the picture above.
    My raptors fairly new and there is only one strap on the left side but 3 on the right. Honestly thats fine it just makes it easier to revove and the magnet holds it in place perfectly. Only problem is because the way the zipper closes you will have to leave it pretty much open to let the hose out but not a big deal cause it has clips to close too

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    The one pictured above is correct and you can run the hose down either side. There is a difference though. The straps on the right are stretchy elastic type straps and the ones going down the left side are just regular webbing type straps, but there is enough room or they are loose enough to be able to run the hose down either side, just works better on the right. Or is a little easier at least to run it down that side. But I find that you rarely ever need to take the hose out anyway, so shouldn't be an issue either way.

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    Thanks for the confirmation. @Jiff24, you had indicated that you would rarely need to take the hose out. The hose does NOT detach from the bladder, right? I keep my bladder in the fridge, so I'd need to take the hose out every time. This is why the Camelback Antidote is better for me, but I'm on my third one now and I keep having a hard time with the Quick Link. Time to change.

    I'm a creature of habit and have my CB hose on my left shoulder and use my left hand to grab the mouthpiece. Yesterday I tried to change it over to my right shoulder and use my right hand to grab the mouthpiece. Sounds simple, right? Aside from still looking for the hose on the left side, I found it more awkward to take my right hand off the bars. Since most people are right handed, I would think Osprey would make the default hose location on the left side, which doesn't force the dominant hand to be removed from the bars.

    Yes, I'm overthinking this...

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    I have a raptor 14...it does the job..

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    Quote Originally Posted by moldau94 View Post
    I'm a creature of habit and have my CB hose on my left shoulder and use my left hand to grab the mouthpiece. Yesterday I tried to change it over to my right shoulder and use my right hand to grab the mouthpiece. Sounds simple, right? Aside from still looking for the hose on the left side, I found it more awkward to take my right hand off the bars. Since most people are right handed, I would think Osprey would make the default hose location on the left side, which doesn't force the dominant hand to be removed from the bars.
    As a CB user that had the hose on the left side I also have problems getting use to the hose being on the right. I'm also finding that the larger diameter hose with the Osprey doesn't give more flow but makes the tubing less flexible and more prone to kinking when it is bent. I'm still not use to the bite valve with the hard piece inside and prefer the CB version. I'm sure in time I'll get use to these issues but it wasn't an easy transition going from a CB to Osprey pack.

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    That's right, that the hose doesn't detach from the bladder. I can see what you mean. As for me though, I just slide the bag out enough to fill it, then stuff it back in. Don't pull it or the hose out unless I'm cleaning it. You could just throw some ice in it maybe? I agree with thatdrewguy that I think the hose is probably stiffer. I've wondered about changing it and trying a CB hose. I like the reservoir itself better though. I like the rigid plate in the back and the handle that make it hold its shape better and easier to get in/out of the pack for me.

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    I just got my raptor 6. Pack looks awesome except I have one issue. When I cinch down the straps (shoulder, sternum and waist) the excess strap leaves these big loops that could easily get snagged on a branch. The end of each strap has a little sliding plastic clip that attaches it back but I can't seem to find a good strap management solution. I'm a pretty small guy at 150 so for a bigger guy I wouldn't be an issue but I don't know if I can live with it this way unless someone gives me a good tip on what to do

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    I recently bought a Raptor 14 to replace my CamelBak Blowfish. I had the CB since 2005 and it was still going strong when I retired it (replaced a couple of bladders). No complaints. The new Osprey feels like it has higher quality materials and is a better fit on my back. That said, the CB wasn't bad in either area and is an '05 which makes it a less than fair comparison.

    The short of my rambling is I don't think you can go wrong either way; they both make fine systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawdoggie View Post
    I just got my raptor 6. Pack looks awesome except I have one issue. When I cinch down the straps (shoulder, sternum and waist) the excess strap leaves these big loops that could easily get snagged on a branch. The end of each strap has a little sliding plastic clip that attaches it back but I can't seem to find a good strap management solution. I'm a pretty small guy at 150 so for a bigger guy I wouldn't be an issue but I don't know if I can live with it this way unless someone gives me a good tip on what to do
    I fit the excess waist/shoulder straps into the little useless pockets on the waistband of my Raptor 10. You need to undo the little C-shaped keeper on all straps to do this.

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    I just saw this thread and happened to pick up a 25 Manta today to complement my 5 year old Camelbak hawg.

    First impressions, Great pack! better feel on my back and shoulderstrap fitment and hip belt stability is a big plus. One of the reason I ended up looking for the extra stability is due to the hawg not being quite as stable when loaded up with water, food, a layer or two, a jacket then tube/tools/pump/etc.


    Still undecided if I like their bladder or not. I've been using the CB bladder because I like the bite valve quite a bit more than the osprey one, however the rigidity of the osprey bladder is nice, however it is harder to burp the excess air out of that one vs the cb bladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRing View Post
    I fit the excess waist/shoulder straps into the little useless pockets on the waistband of my Raptor 10. You need to undo the little C-shaped keeper on all straps to do this.
    Ugh.....really? My old camelbak had these little velcro straps at the end of each strap that you could use to roll up the excess strap and fasten it away.....very smart.

    I dont know if I can spend $90 on a pack that I would have to do this. I might have to send it back. I really wanted to love this pack. Here inlies the danger in ordering something that you havent put your hands on. I thought it would have more storage space too. I got the Raptor 6 so i wanted a small pack with small storage but when i fill the resevoir i can barely fit anything (a pump, gloves, a couple cliff bars) into the one storage pocket. And i have no clue what i can fit into that steretch expanding external pocket. I'm frustrated, i was hoping that this would be the pack that would end my search for the ideal pack.

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    Ok so I just ordered a Raptor 10 in a SM/MD to compare to the Raptor 6 I just got in MD/LG.

    I am hoping the sm/md vs. md/lg sizing may help out with the dangling strap problem. Also, hopefully it will have the capacity I am looking for. The 6 didn't seem to have hardly any storage once the bladder was full. So hopefully the 10 will be perfect with a full bladder
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawdoggie View Post
    I just got my raptor 6. Pack looks awesome except I have one issue. When I cinch down the straps (shoulder, sternum and waist) the excess strap leaves these big loops that could easily get snagged on a branch. The end of each strap has a little sliding plastic clip that attaches it back but I can't seem to find a good strap management solution. I'm a pretty small guy at 150 so for a bigger guy I wouldn't be an issue but I don't know if I can live with it this way unless someone gives me a good tip on what to do
    I don't think you'll have any problems with those loops. I'm 160 lbs, 30" waist, so I've got to cinch the straps down pretty tight, leaving big loops, and in a couple thousands off road miles I've never had those loops get caught on anything.... they end up between your belly and thighs more-so than hanging out on the sides.... undoing the ends and stuffing them in the pockets seems like a pointless hassle to me... no offense intended.... to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    I don't think you'll have any problems with those loops. I'm 160 lbs, 30" waist, so I've got to cinch the straps down pretty tight, leaving big loops, and in a couple thousands off road miles I've never had those loops get caught on anything.... they end up between your belly and thighs more-so than hanging out on the sides.... undoing the ends and stuffing them in the pockets seems like a pointless hassle to me... no offense intended.... to each his own.
    The loops are Osprey's ergopull system and it works pretty effectively. I wouldnt suggest undoing it. I should have done what you did and just left them, they really dont get in the way. What I did instead, being a nokb at the time, was cut them right off. I have about 30" waist too and they were dangling so I cut them. Bye bye resale value! Id advise everyone to leave them alone and use them as intended.

    For you people who want to run the hose down the left, just dont. If you think about it the position of the magnet, elastic straps, and zipper are really intended for you to run it down the right. If its your habit to use your left hand, just run it down the right strap and continue using your left hand. After rides, I put my bladder in the fridge and removing the hose from the elastic has never been an issue. Btw I find the non-elastic straps on the left side are good for clipping a backup flashlight or maybe some kind of phone or multitool sheath to.

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    I received the SM/MD Raptor 10. Compared to the MD/LG Raptor 6 it is slightly shorter in the torso (maybe an inch or so) but more importantly the straps on the shoulders and waist band are much shorter. Getting the SM/MD made the loops much less of a problem for me. So if anyone else is looking at getting a Raptor just know that the sizes are not just the length of the torso...they are smaller in the straps too. The MD/LG on me almost completely wrapped my waist with the waist band (30 inch waist) where as the SM/MD fits much more properly.

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    Do Osprey make a pack that can carry a full face helmet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oskarsig View Post
    Do Osprey make a pack that can carry a full face helmet ?
    That would be the Zealot. Kinda expensive though. Then again most packs that can carry full face are.

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    The 2011 Dakine Drafter is on sale a few different places and has the ability to carry full-face and pads.
    I am going to try one out and make a decision on which I prefer. (I really like bags that open all the way)
    Hell I'll likely keep both - fiance isn't the only one with a bag fetish

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    Osprey kicks ass.

    I was all about Camelbak for hydration packs, but after buying a Viper 10 I can see why all these folks love Osprey hydration packs.

    They are well designed and extremely durable. Osprey takes all the little details into consideration as well.

    When I turn pro, I would be honored to have the Osprey name printed on my race jersey.

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    After using my Raptor 10 for a few weeks of riding, I have to trash this bad boy. Don't get me wrong, the pack design, and look are great. But it's job is to carry water. It leaks, and the bite valve tore after about 15 rides.

    I think I figured out the leaks (and it's not 'condensation' which is ridiculous): there's a plastic ring on the cap of the carrier...if it's not seated properly, when the pack is inserted, water gushes out the top, and ends up leaking out the bottom in a beautiful drip drip drip down my ass. The ring is too big, and bunches up, so you have to go in and push it in just right every other ride. Why have I never had this with years of Camelbak use?

    Ah and the 'bite valve'...isn't the point to bite down on it to get water? I'm not chomping on this this, but today it tore, and water just leaks and leaks unless it's closed. The plastic material or whatever it is just doesn't hold up. Again, never had this happen on a Camelbak.

    Gag I can't believe my crappy Camelbaks perform better than this pack. Osprey needs to work on their design big time...this pack is like a pretty girl at a bar with no brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkies View Post
    After using my Raptor 10 for a few weeks of riding, I have to trash this bad boy. Don't get me wrong, the pack design, and look are great. But it's job is to carry water. It leaks, and the bite valve tore after about 15 rides.

    I think I figured out the leaks (and it's not 'condensation' which is ridiculous): there's a plastic ring on the cap of the carrier...if it's not seated properly, when the pack is inserted, water gushes out the top, and ends up leaking out the bottom in a beautiful drip drip drip down my ass. The ring is too big, and bunches up, so you have to go in and push it in just right every other ride. Why have I never had this with years of Camelbak use?

    Ah and the 'bite valve'...isn't the point to bite down on it to get water? I'm not chomping on this this, but today it tore, and water just leaks and leaks unless it's closed. The plastic material or whatever it is just doesn't hold up. Again, never had this happen on a Camelbak.

    Gag I can't believe my crappy Camelbaks perform better than this pack. Osprey needs to work on their design big time...this pack is like a pretty girl at a bar with no brains.

    Sorry but this sounds like user error to me.

    Yeah I said it!

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    I have a Raptor 6

    It's pretty decent. I wouldn't say its worlds better than anything else though. Been using it for a year or so, and the bite valve just went bad. I'll have to replace that. It has this hard plastic thing at the bottom of the reservoir, and it pushes into my lower back. Also, it has been hard to get the pack situated on my back properly. I probably have the Large model (don't know, I bought it at the LBS) and I guess the small would work better for me.

    All in all, it works just fine. The gear pockets are great, holds a tube, inflator, tools, and food easily. The Nalgene reservoir makes me happy, and it lets a half decent amount of air over your back so you don't overheat. The bite valve leaking isn't an issue because its a shutoff valve too, you turn the bite thing 90 degrees and its off. Most of the time I don't really notice its there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkies View Post
    After using my Raptor 10 for a few weeks of riding, I have to trash this bad boy. Don't get me wrong, the pack design, and look are great. But it's job is to carry water. It leaks, and the bite valve tore after about 15 rides.

    I think I figured out the leaks (and it's not 'condensation' which is ridiculous): there's a plastic ring on the cap of the carrier...if it's not seated properly, when the pack is inserted, water gushes out the top, and ends up leaking out the bottom in a beautiful drip drip drip down my ass. The ring is too big, and bunches up, so you have to go in and push it in just right every other ride. Why have I never had this with years of Camelbak use?

    Ah and the 'bite valve'...isn't the point to bite down on it to get water? I'm not chomping on this this, but today it tore, and water just leaks and leaks unless it's closed. The plastic material or whatever it is just doesn't hold up. Again, never had this happen on a Camelbak.

    Gag I can't believe my crappy Camelbaks perform better than this pack. Osprey needs to work on their design big time...this pack is like a pretty girl at a bar with no brains.
    Call Osprey, get a return #, send the pack to them, and they will fix it and send it back.

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    I bought a Zealot 10...Love it!!
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    No Syncro 15 owners out there yet??? Wondering how well that thing manages a light load with it's lack of compression straps.......

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    Ospray makes awesome packs for sure but they are a bit pricey. They are deffinately more hi-tech compared to my old and banged up Camelbak which I replaced it with a Ospray Raptor 7 (I think that was the model?). The only down fall was that i couldn't strap on my full face helmet to the pack. So... looked around and found a brand new a Fox hydration pack for cheap on JensonUSA.com, $30 dollars or so. Works wonders but not as hi-tech as the Opspray. The bladder on the Fox looks like a cheap bag with a zipper on top, but it had straps to tie my full-face helmet on so i wasn't complaining. Now my Ospray is used for hiking and fishing trips full time

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    Bacon try just google search for product reviews. Someone in the world has to have some feedback on it, just might not be on mtbr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltk1144 View Post
    Bacon try just google search for product reviews. Someone in the world has to have some feedback on it, just might not be on mtbr.
    Oh I've tried that....no hits yet.... new product though, so will need to try again soon.

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    Has anyone had the chance to look at or better yet try both the Manta 36 and the Escapist 30? I'm looking for a pack for bikepacking and these are the two main contenders thus far in my search. Any thoughts? The Escapist looks like it has more useful room than the Manta but it looks like the Manta has a better hydration system (which is actually included unlike the Escapist). Unfortunately, I'm not aware of a store near me that carries both packs.

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    I posted my initial impressions of the 2013 Raptor 10

    2013 Osprey Raptor 10 Initial Impressions

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    Several weeks ago, right after I got my Troll built up, one of our local outdoor shops was blowing out their inventory of 2012 Osprey bags. They were up to 30% off, and I had already been looking at the Raptor series. From what they had left in stock, I had narrowed it down to either a Manta 20 or a Raptor 18, and with my build, I could go with either the S/M, or the M/L size and it wouldn't make much difference. The Manta 20 was a S/M, and had the really nice back vent that held the bag away from your back (something that would be really nice in humid Ky summers), and the Raptor 18 was a M/L. I ended up making my decision based solely on cu. in. The M/L Raptor 18 actually had more than the S/M Manta 20 according to the spec sheet, so I went with that. So far, I really love the bag... it holds everything I would ever need for a good day of riding, and I'm hoping to augment my bikepacking setup with this bag - carrying the majority of my H20, my food, and my camera. So far, this is miles above my other two hydration packs I've owned (Camelback and an REI pack).

    Looking at their site, it looks as if they've discontinued the Raptor 18, because I only see it in as large as a 14L. One other thing I noticed, the colors you see online aren't quite as bright in person. I purchased the green color, and when I was researching it online, that was the color that was my least favorite of the 4 choices... in person, it's actually not bad at all... more of a dark grayish-green than the bright green shown online.

    I'm stoked to see how this bag will perform over the Spring and Summer when I can really break it in!

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    osprey water bladder mod

    just wanted to share my Osprey bladder mod. now, i dont have to lug along the hydration pack while trying to fill the bladder with water.

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    Would you be able to post some directions and parts needed?

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    Looks like a U.S plastics quick disconnect.

    Is the flow still good with that bapski mod?

    Edit: he posted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by worrptangl View Post
    Would you be able to post some directions and parts needed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worrptangl View Post
    Would you be able to post some directions and parts needed?
    sure thing . actually got the idea from this thread: Osprey Viper Packs

    as posted by jake6123

    "I ordered a quick release fitting from McMaster-Carr. The Osprey tube has a 5/16" inside diameter.

    part numbers . . .

    5012K672 - barbed socket w/ valve for 5/16 inside diameter tubing - $6.67
    5012K711 - barbed plug for 5/16 inside diameter tuning - $1.31

    total came to about $13 with shipping."

    just cut the tubing wherever you prefer. i cut mine just under where the zipper closes so i dont have to dig deep to unlock the fitting which i found annoying on my Camelbak mule.

    hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xhailofgunfirex View Post
    Looks like a U.S plastics quick disconnect.

    Is the flow still good with that bapski mod?

    Edit: he posted it.
    Tested mod and no problems noted.
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    Great Deals on Osprey Packs

    Hey guys, jsut though I would let y'all know there are some great deals on Osprey Packs here: Your Outlet for Finding Shoes, Clothing, Great Sales, and More | 6pm.com I just ordered the Viper 7 for $46.99!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bapski View Post
    just wanted to share my Osprey bladder mod. now, i dont have to lug along the hydration pack while trying to fill the bladder with water.
    THIS I like (tad expensive, but hey).

    The only other mod I did to my 14 was to remove the little rubbery/plastic
    pieces in the waist straps. The pack fits spot on, but I'm either too skinny
    or bony or something. Snipped out and pack is perfect fit.
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