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    Helmet Cams . . .

    Who's got them?

    What kind, brand/manufacture?

    What do you like about them, what don't you like about them?

    Are they easy to use, easy to set up? Tips, tricks, what works, what doesn't?

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    CAMERA

    This one is pretty cool. I'm about to pick one up, along with a 1GB memory stick. I rode with a guy who had one at is pretty slick. IMO it's almost perfect for mountain biking because it is so small, and it comes with a lipstick camera along with a protective pouch.

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    Here is what Pete Fagerlin's site

    says about the Samsung:

    Isn't that Samsung Scx105 sports camera with the helmetcam thingy just awesome?

    No, it's a particularly bad combination of low res lipstick cam and MPEG4 capture onto solid state memory cards. Starting with poor quality raw footage and being limted by the use of a card (as opposed to a tape) is a bad idea. Editing the footage is another can of worms.


    Now it's not that Pete is the world's leading authority on helmet cams, but I'm sure he has shot a few in his time, so I might be inclined to take his word for it on this one and stay away from the MPEG4 capture.

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    Sorry for offering my opinion, obviously you've posted in the wrong forum. Pete has email. Why don't you go to the source and ask what he likes and how much it costs. Size won't be an issue because your personal action shots won't be worth watching anyway, so you don't having to worry about lugging the camera in your Camelback while riding. I have an idea though, when your wife's done filming you huck the curb in front of your house, you can hike up the trails and film us at strategic points along the way. That way you'll have some real action footage and you can still tell everybody you were on the trail. It's like killing two birds with 1 stone. Whaddya say?

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    Jeeze . . .

    don't get all butt-hurt because I offered up 'someone else's different opinion' that's all it is someone's opinion . . .

    I don't think there is anything wrong with your opinion on samsung, I'm not too sure about the whole "only mpeg4 files and no tape" thingie.

    If it makes you feel like such a big man to put me down, have at it! I don't care what you think or say about me . . . I'll still ride and have fun

    besides, curb hucks rule!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    don't get all butt-hurt because I offered up 'someone else's different opinion' that's all it is someone's opinion . . .
    The tone in your response was very smug and condescending, as it is in most of your posts.

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    besides, curb hucks rule!
    If that's the case you better keep practicing...

    And BTW, a 9" travel bike will roll over a 5" rock
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    hum, let me think for a minute . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Saint
    The tone . . .
    tone, implies sound and unless I'm missing something there is no sound on the boards (I mean unless you are sight-impaired and your computer is reading out loud to you with voice inflection and everything)

    So, my response was simply "this is what someone else said" that's all.

    I'm interested in all opinions on 'lipstick' cams and their setup and usage. (I thought CycleJunkie or someone had one and I was wondering what their experiences were)

    What does it matter if someone is a good rider, or a bad rider . . . as long as THEY enjoy the ride?

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    Viosport!

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    I'm interested in all opinions on 'lipstick' cams and their setup and usage. (I thought CycleJunkie or someone had one and I was wondering what their experiences were)
    I have an Adventure Cam 3 from Viosport. It has 520 lines of TV resolution (the most I've seen in any lipstick camera). The kit for the AC3 is pretty cool. It comes with a rechargeable battery pack so you don't have to mess around with batteries. You can also buy a filter pack for the lens to deal with sunlight.

    I've never used the Samsung but my guess is that the quality of footage would be on the lower side. You can't use a LANC remote and can't change out your lens (or add a filter). It sounds like there might be some video editing limitations with the dedicated format.

    Approx. $600 seems a little high for what you're getting. I guess if you don't already have a mini DV camcorder it might be the way to go, but I'd prefer the flexibility and higher quality of a lipstick camera that hooks up to a camcoder.

    Just my two cents worth...

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    thanks

    that is the kind of information I am looking for.

    any details on mounting to helmets, tips on shooting, what works, what doesn't, how do you carry your camera and the recharge pack? etc. you know just your overall experience from using it for a while, what works for you?

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    I'm no expert but...

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    that is the kind of information I am looking for.

    any details on mounting to helmets, tips on shooting, what works, what doesn't, how do you carry your camera and the recharge pack? etc. you know just your overall experience from using it for a while, what works for you?
    Make sure to angle the camera on the helmet high enough to accommodate your riding position otherwise all your footage will be of the ground and not the rider in front of you. Which brings up another point... Film with a rider in front of you. 1) footage of just the trail gets boring fast. 2) Having a rider in the shot gives more perspective to the trail and makes the video flow more smoothly. One cool thing about the Viosport AC3 is that the battery pack has a bolt that fastens to the tripod mount of your typical camcorder. I ride with a Camelbak Hawg and just stuff the camera/battery pack into the large compartment of the Hawg. There's only one cable coming up from the pack to the camera so it's a pretty clean setup. Adobe Premiere is a great video editing software. I'm still learning stuff myself. Hope this helps. Enjoy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    tone, implies sound and unless I'm missing something there is no sound on the boards (I mean unless you are sight-impaired and your computer is reading out loud to you with voice inflection and everything)
    Hhmmmm, this might literally be the funniest thing you have ever written Doug.

    (Do I need to remind you what sparked the whole Doug-Jeff war of words?)
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    Oh, I'm so glad you are back . . .

    I could "try" to offer up some witty comments, or a well-thought out response, but that just wouldn't fit right . . .

    So, I'll try "Bite me sucka!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    tone, implies sound and unless I'm missing something there is no sound on the boards (I mean unless you are sight-impaired and your computer is reading out loud to you with voice inflection and everything)

    So, my response was simply "this is what someone else said" that's all.

    I'm interested in all opinions on 'lipstick' cams and their setup and usage. (I thought CycleJunkie or someone had one and I was wondering what their experiences were)

    What does it matter if someone is a good rider, or a bad rider . . . as long as THEY enjoy the ride?
    TONE

    Check #4 smartass. I guess you should've THUNK a little longer.

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    Ok . . .

    how about this.

    I intended no actual tone to my response (either precieved or implied) only to present 'additional, other, seperate yet not equal infomation'

    I did not intend to imply or give the impression that your response was in any way wrong, or bad . . .

    you said (A) and I said "so-and-so said his opinion on (A) was blah, blah" now I did mention that so-and-so has some background in (the original question) so that would be factored in, that is not to say that your infomation isn't useful or helpful, just different.

    You say (A) . . .

    The info. I found on Pete's site said (B) . . .

    CycleJunkie said (C) . . .

    it's all good, reasonable information, that is what I wanted.

    I would be interested in your experience with the whole 'memory stick vs. tape' and there was some information on the DH/FR board about a guy's experiences using the Samsung model you suggested . . .

    Just taking a bunch of information in

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    Reading this thread is like watching a train wreck-I want to turn away and ignore the juvenile behavior but I just have to look.

    Looking at post #3, I did not sense anything bad in the reply, other than Pete is a smartass in the quote, but DJ just presented it as info from someone experienced with riding vids.

    Post #4 is confrontational and insulting another riders ability. I also took the insult of riding ability as an insult to me. I am not a tech rider nor will I ever be. I have seen pics of DJ riding stuff I would not dare do, other than walking it. So, I guess I am a REALLY crappy rider?

    Post #7, DJ points out what is the big deal about riding ability, as long as the ride is fun. Being a crap rider I can still say I have a boatload of fun on 99% of my rides. And someone is always going to be 'better' or 'worse' skills-wise. Why be so insulting? I suppose Darren Berrecloth could tell EVERYONE on this board they are a crap rider.

    Post #11 and #12 are just the usual predictable exchange of smart remarks from skinny and DJ. It is getting old guys, almost as old as I am.

    Post #13 is just as silly as post #4. Look at post #3 again, just a quote from someone experienced in bike vids. I see no sarcasm or confrontation or insult, or negative 'tone.' Why so insulting about it?

    So, I guess now I will get flamed, told to mind my business, etc. This is a public message board and therefore EVERYONES BUSINESS.

    I just think y'all are being silly and juvenile, and me, I am being a busybody. OK? I say get on with the thread topic.

    Rita

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    yes, it does get old . . .

    I'd still be interested in peoples experiences with helmet cams and the setup and function of stuff like that?

    Hey, CycleJunkie where do you host your vids? do you have server space somewhere, or web space on a work-server or something? Most ISPs just give you small amounts of server space and it's not enough for video's. So, does anyone know where space (that I don't have to pay for) that I can host Arizona videos?

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    Here's a couple flicks...

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    Hey, CycleJunkie where do you host your vids? do you have server space somewhere, or web space on a work-server or something?
    http://www.jameshowardwhite.com/AZ_Footage.htm
    http://www.jameshowardwhite.com/vids.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    So, does anyone know where space (that I don't have to pay for) that I can host Arizona videos?
    Most of the freebie hosting services are really too small for any good quality movies (20+ MEG). Check out Go Daddy , they have really cheap prices on domains and hosting packages (that's who hosts my site).

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    I ride with cycljunkie and let him figure it out and deal with it...

    Haven't seen much footage of me, though.
    Ride more; post less...

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    Flag Baby!

    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    I ride with cycljunkie and let him figure it out and deal with it...

    Haven't seen much footage of me, though.
    Hey Walt, I'm gonna bring the camera setup to Flag this Sunday for sure... You wanna post up a ride invite to get some folks interested? If not I can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZtortoise
    Reading this thread is like watching a train wreck-I want to turn away and ignore the juvenile behavior but I just have to look.

    Looking at post #3, I did not sense anything bad in the reply, other than Pete is a smartass in the quote, but DJ just presented it as info from someone experienced with riding vids.

    Post #4 is confrontational and insulting another riders ability. I also took the insult of riding ability as an insult to me. I am not a tech rider nor will I ever be. I have seen pics of DJ riding stuff I would not dare do, other than walking it. So, I guess I am a REALLY crappy rider?

    Post #7, DJ points out what is the big deal about riding ability, as long as the ride is fun. Being a crap rider I can still say I have a boatload of fun on 99% of my rides. And someone is always going to be 'better' or 'worse' skills-wise. Why be so insulting? I suppose Darren Berrecloth could tell EVERYONE on this board they are a crap rider.

    Post #11 and #12 are just the usual predictable exchange of smart remarks from skinny and DJ. It is getting old guys, almost as old as I am.

    Post #13 is just as silly as post #4. Look at post #3 again, just a quote from someone experienced in bike vids. I see no sarcasm or confrontation or insult, or negative 'tone.' Why so insulting about it?

    So, I guess now I will get flamed, told to mind my business, etc. This is a public message board and therefore EVERYONES BUSINESS.

    I just think y'all are being silly and juvenile, and me, I am being a busybody. OK? I say get on with the thread topic.

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    Rita, you have been perhaps my greatest advocate when I was taking a bunch of heat for my posts. I appreciate it very much and will not forget it. I respect you a great deal. I say this simply because I wish to post my take on the insult exchanges. As you will see, my opinion differs a bit from yours. I do not want my post to be misunderstood. I hope it is now clear that it is just my opinion and in no way is intended to upset, harm, hurt or cause any negativity whatsoever. "I love You Man". Anyway, here goes.

    I think DJBiker's posts are unique and sometimes hard to figure out. I also easily see why they can, on occassion, rub people the wrong way. I don't know DJ. Indeed, I have nothing against him. It is possible, after spending time with him, that I will like him a bunch. If I was AZ Saint, DJ's post #3 would have upset me. It had a conceitedish tone to it and it just felt kind of yucky. Actually, its hard to really explain why many of DJ's posts have a "biting" feeling to them. Many times, they just feel "off". Honestly, I don't think DJ is trying to upset anyone. Nonetheless, I concur whole heartedly that most of AZ Saint's response in Post #4 was way uncalled for and took the negativity to an entirely different and inappropriate level. An apology to DJ is warranted.

    Posts 11 and 12 between DJ and Skinny are, as you said, the same ol same ol. I think it is entertaining, but agree that perhaps this kind of stuff should stop based on what others think about such exchanges. However, I believe all this goes back to the original blow up between the two parties. The wounds from that thread still have not yet healed. I am good friends with Skinny, but still believe I am being objective when I say that DJ owes Skinny an apology for his comments from long ago.

    That is about it for my opinion. DJ, I am sorry if I upset you. I didn't want to, but will understand if I did. Besides, this is the internet.

    As for the topic of this thread, I have also heard that the Sanyo is more marketing than substance.

    PS: Rita, DJBiker, Skinny-Tire, DHF'r and AZ Saint. One ride with all of us together will kill all the negativity that exists between us. Lets do it.
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    Check you out . . .

    all high and mighty wit yo bad self . . .

    passing judgment on me

    Geoff, what gives you the right? (I mean, you know, you being all perfect and all)
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    Those are cool

    I like the Hawes video the best, but I agree with what you said before (about having a rider in front to give some perspective)

    What do you think of this guy's stuff?
    http://www.chainringtattoo.com/pages/videos.html

    Seems to be different schools of thought here, pete puts the entire camera on his helmet, others use the lipstick camera (I can't tell the difference other than the shadow of the camera-person - - if it's a big shadow on the side of head=entire camera - - if it's a little bump on top of the head=lipstick camera)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    all high and mighty wit yo bad self . . .

    passing judgment on me

    Geoff, what gives you the right? (I mean, you know, you being all perfect and all)
    Reminds me of the scene in Excalibur when Lancelot is dying in the hands of King Arthur and he tells Arthur, "It's the old wound, sire!" referring to the self inflicted wound he received in a dream which symbolized his internal conflict with himself over his lust for Queen Guinevere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Rita, you have been perhaps my greatest advocate when I was taking a bunch of heat for my posts. I appreciate it very much and will not forget it. I respect you a great deal. I say this simply because I wish to post my take on the insult exchanges. As you will see, my opinion differs a bit from yours. I do not want my post to be misunderstood. I hope it is now clear that it is just my opinion and in no way is intended to upset, harm, hurt or cause any negativity whatsoever. "I love You Man". Anyway, here goes.

    I think DJBiker's posts are unique and sometimes hard to figure out. I also easily see why they can, on occassion, rub people the wrong way. I don't know DJ. Indeed, I have nothing against him. It is possible, after spending time with him, that I will like him a bunch. If I was AZ Saint, DJ's post #3 would have upset me. It had a conceitedish tone to it and it just felt kind of yucky. Actually, its hard to really explain why many of DJ's posts have a "biting" feeling to them. Many times, they just feel "off". Honestly, I don't think DJ is trying to upset anyone. Nonetheless, I concur whole heartedly that most of AZ Saint's response in Post #4 was way uncalled for and took the negativity to an entirely different and inappropriate level. An apology to DJ is warranted.

    Posts 11 and 12 between DJ and Skinny are, as you said, the same ol same ol. I think it is entertaining, but agree that perhaps this kind of stuff should stop based on what others think about such exchanges. However, I believe all this goes back to the original blow up between the two parties. The wounds from that thread still have not yet healed. I am good friends with Skinny, but still believe I am being objective when I say that DJ owes Skinny an apology for his comments from long ago.

    That is about it for my opinion. DJ, I am sorry if I upset you. I didn't want to, but will understand if I did. Besides, this is the internet.

    As for the topic of this thread, I have also heard that the Sanyo is more marketing than substance.

    PS: Rita, DJBiker, Skinny-Tire, DHF'r and AZ Saint. One ride with all of us together will kill all the negativity that exists between us. Lets do it.
    Actually, I was never really offended by Doug's post. I just love the irony in Doug's posts.

    And don't hold your breath. I will never, ever ride with Doug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    all high and mighty wit yo bad self . . .

    passing judgment on me

    Geoff, what gives you the right? (I mean, you know, you being all perfect and all)
    Okay, then I'll say it....again: you owe me an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Rita, you have been perhaps my greatest advocate when I was taking a bunch of heat for my posts. I appreciate it very much and will not forget it. I respect you a great deal. I say this simply because I wish to post my take on the insult exchanges. As you will see, my opinion differs a bit from yours. I do not want my post to be misunderstood. I hope it is now clear that it is just my opinion and in no way is intended to upset, harm, hurt or cause any negativity whatsoever. "I love You Man". Anyway, here goes.

    I think DJBiker's posts are unique and sometimes hard to figure out. I also easily see why they can, on occassion, rub people the wrong way. I don't know DJ. Indeed, I have nothing against him. It is possible, after spending time with him, that I will like him a bunch. If I was AZ Saint, DJ's post #3 would have upset me. It had a conceitedish tone to it and it just felt kind of yucky. Actually, its hard to really explain why many of DJ's posts have a "biting" feeling to them. Many times, they just feel "off". Honestly, I don't think DJ is trying to upset anyone. Nonetheless, I concur whole heartedly that most of AZ Saint's response in Post #4 was way uncalled for and took the negativity to an entirely different and inappropriate level. An apology to DJ is warranted.

    Posts 11 and 12 between DJ and Skinny are, as you said, the same ol same ol. I think it is entertaining, but agree that perhaps this kind of stuff should stop based on what others think about such exchanges. However, I believe all this goes back to the original blow up between the two parties. The wounds from that thread still have not yet healed. I am good friends with Skinny, but still believe I am being objective when I say that DJ owes Skinny an apology for his comments from long ago.

    That is about it for my opinion. DJ, I am sorry if I upset you. I didn't want to, but will understand if I did. Besides, this is the internet.

    As for the topic of this thread, I have also heard that the Sanyo is more marketing than substance.

    PS: Rita, DJBiker, Skinny-Tire, DHF'r and AZ Saint. One ride with all of us together will kill all the negativity that exists between us. Lets do it.
    Actually, I was never really offended by Doug's post. I just love the irony in Doug's posts.

    And don't hold your breath. I will never, ever ride with Doug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    all high and mighty wit yo bad self . . .

    passing judgment on me

    Geoff, what gives you the right? (I mean, you know, you being all perfect and all)
    Okay, then I'll say it....again: you owe me an apology.

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    DJ, last night I checked out some of Cyclejunkie's video and the ones from the link you posted. Very cool stuff.

    I have always wanted to shoot some riding video myself. One of the clips appeared to show the shadow of the entire video camera attached to the rider's helmet. Can this be done and where can I get a camera helmet mount? I have a simple Mini DV camcorder and was wondering if I could just hook it up top and avoid getting a lipstick camera. I also need some help with the other terms discussed here, such as web space, server space, etc. What is all this? What do I need to get to edit the video, add music, post the clips, etc? I don't want to pony up for an expensive lipstick deal.

    PS: Sorry if I upset anyone. Although I am perfect, I do make mistakes. Oops, a non-sequitur.
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    I'm a fan of the Sony MiniDV camcorders. Most of the MTBR videographers use a Sony. (Pete Fagerlin, Mountain Bike Bill & Wherewolf.) I'm in the camera bolted to helmet camp.

    I have the Sony DCR-HC30. If I were buying today I would get the Sony DCR-HC42. It has a better video processor. (Lists for $599.99.)

    Wherewolf just recently bought the Sony DCR-HC90. His videos have impressed me quality wise. (The best quality I have seen on the web.) Crisper picture. (Lists for $999.99.)

    The MiniDV tapes are 1 hour long. The camcorder battery usually lasts up to 2 hours. (4 pack of tape is $25. I use mine over and over.)

    For up close, side of the trail action you will need a wide angle lens. They range from $50 to $150 depending on quality. I use the $50 one.

    Helmet cam enclosures run in the $200 range. I got mine from Cookie Composites. Wherewolf got his from Bonehead Composites.

    You will need a firewire (1394) cable and at least 60 GB of free hard drive space. Windows Movie Maker is a good free program, but I use Adobe Premeire Elements.

    It takes 3 to 4 ride to get used to the weight of the camera bolted to helmet setup. (Sore neck.) After that your body gets used to it. I carry two helmets and use a Camelbak TransAlp to transport whichever helmet is not in use. (Regular helmet or helmet-cam helmet.)

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    Check out Mountain Bike Bill's how to page and Wherewolf's. Very helpful!

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    What do you like about them, what don't you like about them?

    Are they easy to use, easy to set up? Tips, tricks, what works, what doesn't?
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    That's very cool . . .

    I think one of your crew (termanut or something) sent me a PM when I asked about hosting videos but I never heard back from him?

    I've got some non-helmet cam video's but no place to host them.

    I can see how the camera-on-helmet method would be 'less of a hassle' with turning the video on and off and making adjustments and stuff.

    I see that a lot of the finished videos are 'out of sequence' in that some people cut the clips together not the same as the 'actual ride' (so if I'm watching someone's video and I know the trail I can tell -that rock is at the end of that trail- or whatever)

    What is your take on the editing of the footage, not from the 'how to' perspective but more from the 'how presented' side?

    Do you think you should just show the trail from start to middle to end or just cut clips together the way that flows and looks best?

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    Well Dirdir you are part of the way there. You just have to figure out how to get your camcorder mounted to a helmet. Either a prefabricated enclosure mentioned in my post above or a do it yourself solution. (Search the web.) I recommend mounting the camcorder on the side like myself and Mountain Bike Bill. (I run into low bridge situations often. Bill also has good advice for allowing flexibility with the up/down camera angle.) There is always Wherewolf's top of helmet solution too.

    You need to get your hands on a wide angle lens designed for your camcorder.

    Once you have the helmet mounting all figured out, time to ride and shoot footage. Like cycljunkie said, footage shot with someone riding in front of you is more exciting than empty trail. Also, the better the rider the more exciting the footage will be. I sometimes hang a bell from my bike to let the rider in front know that I am still trailing them. (This helps to keep the better skilled riders in range. They listen for the bells.)

    Now, what to do with all that footage you collected. Hook your camcorder up to your computer via the firewire (1394) port. (I use Adobe Premiere Elements for video editing, mpeg creation and DVD authoring. A good free program [must have Windows XP] is Windows Movie Maker.) If you shot 20 minutes of video it takes 20 minutes to import the entire footage onto your PC. (1 hour of video = 12 GB of hard drive space.) Try to not let the videos get over 5 to 7 minutes too often. (People bore easily.) Edit your footage down and add music. I then save the video as an AVI (DV-AVI) file. (There went another gig of hard drive space. I do this for future DVD creation.)

    Now for the hard part, getting the video down to web size. Wherewolf's sight has excellent direction on what encoding setting to use. We both use 2 Pass VBR for encoding mpeg's. Wherewolf uses a free program TMPGEnc while I use the built in encoder that comes with Adobe Premiere Elements. (This is the best for footage that contains shade or brush that passed close to the camcorder. The "2 pass VBR" eliminates chop.)

    If you are using Windows Movie Maker I find that the save to my computer, 512k video setting works well and is half the file size of the mpeg. (Choppy for shade or close brush though.)

    Finding a host, another tough part. Terminaut (Fooriders webmaster and mtbr handle) does my file hosting. (I'm very fortunate that Terminaut does this for me.) If you shoot him a PM he will more than likely give you a helping hand.

    Good luck,

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    DJBiker,

    Shoot Terminaut another PM. I believe at the time you last PM'd him, he was having site and file server issues that have now been resolved.

    Video presentation:

    I have no formal schooling for video editing and have only been doing this for a short time. I'm a linear guy. I try to maintain the what the trail looks like from start to bottom look. I cut out climbs and flat riding (sorry Aquaholic and Andy aka Rut.) I try to keep the footage moving at good riding pace and keep the videos as short as possible. (I think the non-biker attention span lasts only about 2 minutes at best.) Separate videos for separate trails. I usually edit first and fit music after.

    Why I shoot video:

    I do this so that my friends/family and other rider's friends/family can see what it was like out there on the trails.

    Sometimes you can find riding lines in the video to try next time you are out.

    Hope this helps,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    YOU owe ME an apology.

    but, as others have said it's childish and boring so why keep trying to push my buttons?

    what have you solved by posting your comments in this thread?
    And this is the second funniest thing you've ever said. Honestly, you don't see the irony in your threads?

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    and I think . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    you owe me an apology.
    YOU owe ME an apology.

    but, as others have said it's childish and boring so why keep trying to push my buttons?

    what have you solved by posting your comments in this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Rita, you have been perhaps my greatest advocate when I was taking a bunch of heat for my posts. I appreciate it very much and will not forget it. I respect you a great deal. I say this simply because I wish to post my take on the insult exchanges. As you will see, my opinion differs a bit from yours. I do not want my post to be misunderstood. I hope it is now clear that it is just my opinion and in no way is intended to upset, harm, hurt or cause any negativity whatsoever. "I love You Man". Anyway, here goes.

    I think DJBiker's posts are unique and sometimes hard to figure out. I also easily see why they can, on occassion, rub people the wrong way. I don't know DJ. Indeed, I have nothing against him. It is possible, after spending time with him, that I will like him a bunch. If I was AZ Saint, DJ's post #3 would have upset me. It had a conceitedish tone to it and it just felt kind of yucky. Actually, its hard to really explain why many of DJ's posts have a "biting" feeling to them. Many times, they just feel "off". Honestly, I don't think DJ is trying to upset anyone. Nonetheless, I concur whole heartedly that most of AZ Saint's response in Post #4 was way uncalled for and took the negativity to an entirely different and inappropriate level. An apology to DJ is warranted.

    Posts 11 and 12 between DJ and Skinny are, as you said, the same ol same ol. I think it is entertaining, but agree that perhaps this kind of stuff should stop based on what others think about such exchanges. However, I believe all this goes back to the original blow up between the two parties. The wounds from that thread still have not yet healed. I am good friends with Skinny, but still believe I am being objective when I say that DJ owes Skinny an apology for his comments from long ago.

    That is about it for my opinion. DJ, I am sorry if I upset you. I didn't want to, but will understand if I did. Besides, this is the internet.

    As for the topic of this thread, I have also heard that the Sanyo is more marketing than substance.

    PS: Rita, DJBiker, Skinny-Tire, DHF'r and AZ Saint. One ride with all of us together will kill all the negativity that exists between us. Lets do it.
    Nice post, Dirdir. I have no problem with differing opinions.

    As for riding with y'all, there is a good reason I have not joined in on rides: I am slow, which I am ok with, but I would feel lousy holding up the ride for everyone else. I have ridden a lot of the trails in the DD T100 area and enjoy it very much, but, understand, I am 51 y.o. You youngsters would wear me out!

    As far as negativity, I have no beef with anyone, I was just making observations.

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    p.s. I have ridden with DJ and his wife quite a few times over the last year and a half. It has been a while, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    But Rita - she has already claimed to be a really crappy rider, so why would I waste my drive to her end of town?
    Yeah, I cannot really see us riding together either. I probably love mtb'ing as much but your idea of a good trail and mine are very different. I would be walking a lot on your dream trail, and you would be bored silly riding my dream trail! I like seeing the pics of you catching air, something I would never dream of doing.

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    I can't wait to hear

    what the third funnyest thing I will say will be . . .

    I'm sure it's just because you are so much smarter than me . . .

    you know there you are sitting there being all smart and stuff with that big ole stick up your butt

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    sitting there being all smart and stuff with that big ole stick up your butt
    Which would be better to capture this on film, a helmet mounted cam or a lipstick cam?
    I AM JUST A JERK

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    Thanks

    I signed up for the Foo Riders boards and tried to post a video, but as a MOV file there was no sound, and as a MPEG file it just wouldn't play?

    Do all the files have to be MOV files?

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    Potentially interesting and useful thread, but the animosity needs to be taken into personal messages. Chill, please, all of you or I'll lock the thread.

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    The Fooriders Forums allows videos up to 60 MB. The format doesn't matter.

    I couldn't get your MPEG video to play.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    I signed up for the Foo Riders boards and tried to post a video, but as a MOV file there was no sound, and as a MPEG file it just wouldn't play?

    Do all the files have to be MOV files?
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    Um, yea . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston
    I couldn't get your MPEG video to play.
    I couldn't get it to play either? I don't suppose you know why? I guess I'll have to talk to Tam or the "server dude"

    when I made a MOV file it played without sound, but when I put up the MPEG4 file 'she no play' it does, however cause my browser to hang.

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    The problem is that you have the wrong file extension. It should be mp4 and not mpg or mpeg.

    Delete the attachment in your post on Fooriders and reupload the file as nra_full_cut.mp4.

    The movie should play in Quicktime.

    Nice jump action by the way. You won't catch me that high off the ground!

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    I couldn't get it to play either? I don't suppose you know why? I guess I'll have to talk to Tam or the "server dude"

    when I made a MOV file it played without sound, but when I put up the MPEG4 file 'she no play' it does, however cause my browser to hang.
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    Looks like it has been fixed:

    Link to his Fooriders post or the direct link below.

    NRA Full Cut (Right click and select Save Target As...)
    Duration = 3:11
    File size = 7.5 MB

    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    Doug

    Are you trying to post NRA Full Cut? Cool if you are, I have a lot of people that want to see it but most emails can't handle that size file...be sure to post a link for everyone (maybe start a new thread)

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    Thanks for the info.

    I tried what you suggested, but it still doesn't work? I wonder what I doing WRONG now?

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    It's working.

    The user needs to download the video file (nra_full_cut.mp4) to their computer first. (That is why folks are told to "right click and select Save Target As..." Not sure what the command is in the Mac world.) The video will play off the user computer but will not play directly off the website. They also need to have the Apple Quicktime Player.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJBiker
    I tried what you suggested, but it still doesn't work? I wonder what I doing WRONG now?
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    ... and if we just ... Good Lord! Talk about tudes!

    Getting back to the meat of the thread, obviously there are pro's and con's to mounting a
    camera on a helmet vs running a remote lens. The biggest con of one is the pro of the
    other. Weight vs image quality. I've tried both set-ups and I run a remote lens. It's a custom
    hack. I bought a tiny, higher resolution, color, dome security camera that had adjustable
    optics, ripped the camera out and built a small, plexiglas enclosure that clips in to my Jet
    Light helmet mount. There's an older Sony TRV-320 in my Camelbak, along with the 12 VDC
    battery that powers the lens. I'd rather have this weight on my back than the weight of a
    camera and counter-balance on my head.

    I originally had 2 bullet cams from HelmetCamera.com, but they both failed and I'm not about
    to spend any more money with them or recommend them to anyone. In addition, the lens
    that I'm now using has higher resolution.

    BTW - I have over 100 hours of original MTB footage from TX, CO and AZ now in my
    collection. I _should_ archive all of this to DVD (a dime per disc) and reuse these tapes
    ($5 / tape), eh?

    Now, can someone please tickle the *****-slappers again 'cause this show has a
    definite lull at the moment!

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    Ooops! Female dogs censored.

    The word "b i t c h" and it came out as "*****" when no spaces were entered between the
    characters. Imagine that?

    Maybe this isn't a McCarthyism? Maybe it's a PETA thing?

    b1tch-slapper!

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