Is anybody using either of these winter oriented gloves? I'm trying to round up some cold weather gear and I'd like a little input on these. I have large hands, tried both of these on in XL and they fit well, sometimes I need XXL gloves. I would like to be able to ride down into the teens and maybe even the single digits, maybe. The Chinook claims to be good down to around 40f and the Tundra for under 32f. I can wear a light weight MX glove down into the 40's and be fine, if they had wind protection I could do lower.

Any other suggestions for winter riding gloves? Not really interested in poagies, I won't be riding enough in the cold to need those.