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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Ok then, so the industry just killed 26. It's a fact. The question is, will they re-release it? it's not impossible right?.. after so many years that 26 holds the all mountain, long travel frames/bikes category we cannot just pass the throne to 650b that easily just because the industry tells us to...

    Give is your thoughts...

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    Nope, don't care. My fatbike is 26 and the niche markets are where I see 26 existing from now on.
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    I saw a Facebook picture of a Surly Instigator..... looks like it's a 26 incher....

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    I think 26" will be around for the foreseeable future for a variety of reasons:

    1). The niche applications, DJ, FR, DH, Fatbikes

    2). Hard core riders who have ridden them all their lives love them, and won't give them up for either of the larger wheels 29" or 27.5" which by definition are heavier and less nimble, and the wheels flexier. If you don't need the extra roll you don't want the extra weight. Although I totally disagree, you hear plenty of riders say they can't tell the difference between 26" and 27.5" wheels anyway. That is a total condemnation of the middle wheel: It doesn't add anything except weight, so it's BS.

    3) they seem to be ridden by riders winning the most Enduro races, which many feel is the true test of all around mtb skill. I had figured that this event is where 27.5" would reign. In the Enduro World Series, 27.5" is doing well, better than 29" ( except Tracy Mosely who is cleaning up in the women's division on 29") but 26" still reigns in the men's. The talent in this event is astounding, and any given rider could probably do well on any bike. Nevertheless, when competing at the elite level against the best riders in the world, every competitor is looking for any edge they can get as far as equipment to win. So it's interesting to see what bikes and components the sponsors and their riders are using. 26" is far from dead at this level; 27.5" is a distant 2nd so far.

    Therefore, I can't see bike companies just dropping a huge segment of the market. They'd rob might attract newbies with the larger and easier to handle wheels, & they will still see plenty of cross-over from current 26" riders to larger wheels. Meanwhile, though, a large and loyal base will stick with the bikes they brung to the dance. Plenty of consumers there, I wager, to buy enough 26" product to keep it in business. From what I've read over the past year, the majority of the riders who read this forum are exactly those 26" die hards.
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    ... its a fact 26 is dead?

    You lost me dude. Go suck an egg

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    I think 26" will be around for the foreseeable future for a variety of reason

    3) they seem to be ridden by riders winning the most Enduro races, which many feel is the true test of all around mtb skill. I had figured that this event is where 27.5" would reign. In the Enduro World Series, 27.5" is doing well, better than 29" ( except Tracy Mosely who is cleaning up in the women's division on 29") but 26" still reigns in the men's. The talent in this event is astounding, and any given rider could probably do well on any bike. Nevertheless, when competing at the elite level against the best riders in the world, every competitor is looking for any edge they can get as far as equipment to win. So it's interesting to see what bikes and components the sponsors and their riders are using. 26" is far from dead at this level; 27.5" is a distant 2nd so far.

    The 26" die hards.
    Sorry im going to call you out on saying many feel enduro is the truest test of all mountain skill.... what a crock of ****. I know you pased the buck by saying " many feel" ,but with no quotes the credit goes to you.

    How can you call it a race if the uphill is untimed?

    I have nothing against enduro races, just people that veiw them as a purer form of the sport.

    Get out there alone on two wheels. Forget about performance. Let the bike become a conduit between you and the mountain. The bike becomes an extension of your body and your body becomes part of the mountain.Then you will be experiancing the truest form of biking,

    and your wheels dont need to be a certain size to do so

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    I was a new'b that started on a 29'r, guess what I ride now

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    I think 26" will be around for the foreseeable future for a variety of reasons:

    1). The niche applications, DJ, FR, DH, Fatbikes

    2). Hard core riders who have ridden them all their lives love them, and won't give them up for either of the larger wheels 29" or 27.5" which by definition are heavier and less nimble, and the wheels flexier. If you don't need the extra roll you don't want the extra weight. Although I totally disagree, you hear plenty of riders say they can't tell the difference between 26" and 27.5" wheels anyway. That is a total condemnation of the middle wheel: It doesn't add anything except weight, so it's BS.

    3) they seem to be ridden by riders winning the most Enduro races, which many feel is the true test of all around mtb skill. I had figured that this event is where 27.5" would reign. In the Enduro World Series, 27.5" is doing well, better than 29" ( except Tracy Mosely who is cleaning up in the women's division on 29") but 26" still reigns in the men's. The talent in this event is astounding, and any given rider could probably do well on any bike. Nevertheless, when competing at the elite level against the best riders in the world, every competitor is looking for any edge they can get as far as equipment to win. So it's interesting to see what bikes and components the sponsors and their riders are using. 26" is far from dead at this level; 27.5" is a distant 2nd so far.

    Therefore, I can't see bike companies just dropping a huge segment of the market. They'd rob might attract newbies with the larger and easier to handle wheels, & they will still see plenty of cross-over from current 26" riders to larger wheels. Meanwhile, though, a large and loyal base will stick with the bikes they brung to the dance. Plenty of consumers there, I wager, to buy enough 26" product to keep it in business. From what I've read over the past year, the majority of the riders who read this forum are exactly those 26" die hards.
    Well, I would have pulled off a win in the enduro race this weekend on my 29er enduro, but the stupid clutch derailleur gave me some trouble and made me lose a few minutes. Still, was able to climb back up to 2nd place, so that ain't bad

    One thing we have going on as the wheel sizes get bigger is materials get better, with carbon fiber rims and tubeless-so that same acceleration/nimbleness that was had with a 26" wheel can be had or no difference felt with a more exotic 29er whilst having the benefit of roll-over and inertia, etc.

    26ers won't die, just like you can get 3 speed internal hubs still, coaster brakes, V brakes, 24" rims, and so on, but they won't be mainstream and produced like they are today. 27.5 solves the remaining problems of 29 and 3 wheel sizes is just not good business for any large manufacturer. I fully expect to see 26 dissolve off the showroom floors in 1-2 years. That doesn't mean they go away in the niche markets though, and of course there will be parts for years to come, possibly forever.

    Oh yeah, the uphill was timed
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer22 View Post
    Ok then, so the industry just killed 26. It's a fact. ...Give is your thoughts...


    ...and who is this "us"?

    26 will be available for those who really want to stay with it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    ... its a fact 26 is dead?

    You lost me dude. Go suck an egg
    There really is no need to put an attitude... The question is simple "Give us your thoughts about the possibility of the industry on re-releasing the 26"...

    Well if it's your thought that 26 is not dead, so be it...

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    The next 2 years will tell. With Trek releasing 650b, it is a little worrisome that we may be left in the dust. I could care less how many wheel sizes there are, I only hope that 26" wheels, forks, and tires don't disappear in the next couple years.

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    Surly don't seem to think it's a dying format, the 26 x 2.75 Dirt Wizard (marketed as 26 +) is quite a clever idea, it has same radius as 650b so could be used on the front end of most 650b bikes without issues.

    Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc

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    26" has not been killed.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Sorry im going to call you out on saying many feel enduro is the truest test of all mountain skill.... what a crock of ****. I know you pased the buck by saying " many feel" ,but with no quotes the credit goes to you.
    Right, I totally imagined it and pulled it out of my ass.

    This is how the Enduro World Series describes itself:

    ENDURO WORLD SERIES
    2013
    RULE BOOK

    1. Description of Enduro Mountain Biking

    Enduro mountain bike racing is designed to be the definitive test for the mountain biker, with the focus of each event on creating a great atmosphere, community, competition and adventure for the competitor, including the best riding on the best terrain available in the host region.
    http://www.enduroworldseries.com/rules.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Right, I totally imagined it and pulled it out of my ass.

    This is how the Enduro World Series describes itself:



    Enduro World Series
    Well there you go, it's right there in the rules.

    Because someone putting it in a rule book makes it true, right? I think I'll write down a rule that my old socks are works of art worth $1,000 a piece. This is awesome, I'm going to be rich, because how can you argue with a written rule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post
    Well there you go, it's right there in the rules.

    Because someone putting it in a rule book makes it true, right? I think I'll write down a rule that my old socks are works of art worth $1,000 a piece. This is awesome, I'm going to be rich, because how can you argue with a written rule?

    Its not even a rule its advertising, which makes it more true!

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    In a 4 or 5 years after the masses are mostly on 650b's & 29's I do think 26's will get re-marketed by the powers that be as a lighter, quicker performance wheel the next time they need to change something just to shake things up (like now)

    The default mode for human is stupid after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogdog View Post
    Surly don't seem to think it's a dying format, the 26 x 2.75 Dirt Wizard (marketed as 26 +) is quite a clever idea, it has same radius as 650b so could be used on the front end of most 650b bikes without issues.

    Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc
    Surly is nothing if not creative. The Krampus is pretty weird IMHO, but why not have a 29er with a 3" wide tire that is the same tire height as a 26" fatbike?

    I can actually imagine that many frames won't have the clearance for a 26x2.75, but it's a clever idea.
    Last edited by ColinL; 07-23-2013 at 08:16 AM.

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Its not even a rule its advertising, which makes it more true!
    The point was I didn't invent the idea. All around bike skills is how Enduro has been promoted all along and promotes itself, as if you didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I fully expect to see 26 dissolve off the showroom floors in 1-2 years. That doesn't mean they go away in the niche markets though, and of course there will be parts for years to come, possibly forever.
    Thats just it. I recently went around to a few LBS here in SLC, UT searching for new tires (particularly Conti TK in 26"). Most of the shops had dedicated 2/3 to 3/4 of their replacement tire stock to 29ers. As if someone will go "Well since I can't buy a $50 replacement tire due to sizes, I'll just go buy a new $4000+ bike".

    Only bike shop that seems to carry 26" tires in large quantity is the freeride/downhill oriented one. Unfortunately, they just don't carry the brand I wanted (and I didn't feel like paying extra for Schwalbe which they have).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Right, I totally imagined it and pulled it out of my ass.

    This is how the Enduro World Series describes itself:

    "ENDURO WORLD SERIES
    2013
    RULE BOOK

    1. Description of Enduro Mountain Biking

    Enduro mountain bike racing is designed to be the definitive test for the mountain biker, with the focus of each event on creating a great atmosphere, community, competition and adventure for the competitor, including the best riding on the best terrain available in the host region. "
    So EWS is like the supreme court of enduro definition? Um... okay.



    I've read that its more like a race where your riding/racing your buddies...

    "Probably all of us, when we bought our first bike, didn't think to do races or know much about international-level mountain biking. The first thing we did with our mountain bikes was climb up hills so we could have fun going down them. That is the philosophy of enduro." - Franco Monchiero


    Tell us more about the ultimate test of all out mountainbikemanship
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    I was in Performance two days ago, and their selection of 29er and 650b tires was about 10% compared to 26ers - actually, they didn't ANY 650b products (Albuquerque). The three LBSs that I occasionally buy from - about the same. Plenty of 26er product, wheels, forks, tires... and 29er stuff is available, but not outnumbering 26.

    Durango, on the other hand... Mountain Bike Specialists hasn't carried 26ers for a couple years (save for a Demo and Status they had briefly). You might not even know 26ers exist if you go there. But that town is "special", doubt its an accurate representation of reality across the country.

    That Surly bike - I wouldn't call it clever, except from a marketing standpoint I guess. I'm sure the dirt hipsters will love a new fatbike option. Fatbike light? Either way, I don't think it will be instrumental in keeping the 26 format alive.

    It will eventually wane, but marketeers will bring it back after a few years. Its gotten us this far...
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    This sort of thread never dies.

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    No good

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