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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Ok then, so the industry just killed 26. It's a fact. The question is, will they re-release it? it's not impossible right?.. after so many years that 26 holds the all mountain, long travel frames/bikes category we cannot just pass the throne to 650b that easily just because the industry tells us to...

    Give is your thoughts...

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    Nope, don't care. My fatbike is 26 and the niche markets are where I see 26 existing from now on.
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    I saw a Facebook picture of a Surly Instigator..... looks like it's a 26 incher....

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    I think 26" will be around for the foreseeable future for a variety of reasons:

    1). The niche applications, DJ, FR, DH, Fatbikes

    2). Hard core riders who have ridden them all their lives love them, and won't give them up for either of the larger wheels 29" or 27.5" which by definition are heavier and less nimble, and the wheels flexier. If you don't need the extra roll you don't want the extra weight. Although I totally disagree, you hear plenty of riders say they can't tell the difference between 26" and 27.5" wheels anyway. That is a total condemnation of the middle wheel: It doesn't add anything except weight, so it's BS.

    3) they seem to be ridden by riders winning the most Enduro races, which many feel is the true test of all around mtb skill. I had figured that this event is where 27.5" would reign. In the Enduro World Series, 27.5" is doing well, better than 29" ( except Tracy Mosely who is cleaning up in the women's division on 29") but 26" still reigns in the men's. The talent in this event is astounding, and any given rider could probably do well on any bike. Nevertheless, when competing at the elite level against the best riders in the world, every competitor is looking for any edge they can get as far as equipment to win. So it's interesting to see what bikes and components the sponsors and their riders are using. 26" is far from dead at this level; 27.5" is a distant 2nd so far.

    Therefore, I can't see bike companies just dropping a huge segment of the market. They'd rob might attract newbies with the larger and easier to handle wheels, & they will still see plenty of cross-over from current 26" riders to larger wheels. Meanwhile, though, a large and loyal base will stick with the bikes they brung to the dance. Plenty of consumers there, I wager, to buy enough 26" product to keep it in business. From what I've read over the past year, the majority of the riders who read this forum are exactly those 26" die hards.
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    ... its a fact 26 is dead?

    You lost me dude. Go suck an egg

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    I think 26" will be around for the foreseeable future for a variety of reason

    3) they seem to be ridden by riders winning the most Enduro races, which many feel is the true test of all around mtb skill. I had figured that this event is where 27.5" would reign. In the Enduro World Series, 27.5" is doing well, better than 29" ( except Tracy Mosely who is cleaning up in the women's division on 29") but 26" still reigns in the men's. The talent in this event is astounding, and any given rider could probably do well on any bike. Nevertheless, when competing at the elite level against the best riders in the world, every competitor is looking for any edge they can get as far as equipment to win. So it's interesting to see what bikes and components the sponsors and their riders are using. 26" is far from dead at this level; 27.5" is a distant 2nd so far.

    The 26" die hards.
    Sorry im going to call you out on saying many feel enduro is the truest test of all mountain skill.... what a crock of shit. I know you pased the buck by saying " many feel" ,but with no quotes the credit goes to you.

    How can you call it a race if the uphill is untimed?

    I have nothing against enduro races, just people that veiw them as a purer form of the sport.

    Get out there alone on two wheels. Forget about performance. Let the bike become a conduit between you and the mountain. The bike becomes an extension of your body and your body becomes part of the mountain.Then you will be experiancing the truest form of biking,

    and your wheels dont need to be a certain size to do so

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    I was a new'b that started on a 29'r, guess what I ride now

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    I think 26" will be around for the foreseeable future for a variety of reasons:

    1). The niche applications, DJ, FR, DH, Fatbikes

    2). Hard core riders who have ridden them all their lives love them, and won't give them up for either of the larger wheels 29" or 27.5" which by definition are heavier and less nimble, and the wheels flexier. If you don't need the extra roll you don't want the extra weight. Although I totally disagree, you hear plenty of riders say they can't tell the difference between 26" and 27.5" wheels anyway. That is a total condemnation of the middle wheel: It doesn't add anything except weight, so it's BS.

    3) they seem to be ridden by riders winning the most Enduro races, which many feel is the true test of all around mtb skill. I had figured that this event is where 27.5" would reign. In the Enduro World Series, 27.5" is doing well, better than 29" ( except Tracy Mosely who is cleaning up in the women's division on 29") but 26" still reigns in the men's. The talent in this event is astounding, and any given rider could probably do well on any bike. Nevertheless, when competing at the elite level against the best riders in the world, every competitor is looking for any edge they can get as far as equipment to win. So it's interesting to see what bikes and components the sponsors and their riders are using. 26" is far from dead at this level; 27.5" is a distant 2nd so far.

    Therefore, I can't see bike companies just dropping a huge segment of the market. They'd rob might attract newbies with the larger and easier to handle wheels, & they will still see plenty of cross-over from current 26" riders to larger wheels. Meanwhile, though, a large and loyal base will stick with the bikes they brung to the dance. Plenty of consumers there, I wager, to buy enough 26" product to keep it in business. From what I've read over the past year, the majority of the riders who read this forum are exactly those 26" die hards.
    Well, I would have pulled off a win in the enduro race this weekend on my 29er enduro, but the stupid clutch derailleur gave me some trouble and made me lose a few minutes. Still, was able to climb back up to 2nd place, so that ain't bad

    One thing we have going on as the wheel sizes get bigger is materials get better, with carbon fiber rims and tubeless-so that same acceleration/nimbleness that was had with a 26" wheel can be had or no difference felt with a more exotic 29er whilst having the benefit of roll-over and inertia, etc.

    26ers won't die, just like you can get 3 speed internal hubs still, coaster brakes, V brakes, 24" rims, and so on, but they won't be mainstream and produced like they are today. 27.5 solves the remaining problems of 29 and 3 wheel sizes is just not good business for any large manufacturer. I fully expect to see 26 dissolve off the showroom floors in 1-2 years. That doesn't mean they go away in the niche markets though, and of course there will be parts for years to come, possibly forever.

    Oh yeah, the uphill was timed
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer22 View Post
    Ok then, so the industry just killed 26. It's a fact. ...Give is your thoughts...


    ...and who is this "us"?

    26 will be available for those who really want to stay with it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    ... its a fact 26 is dead?

    You lost me dude. Go suck an egg
    There really is no need to put an attitude... The question is simple "Give us your thoughts about the possibility of the industry on re-releasing the 26"...

    Well if it's your thought that 26 is not dead, so be it...

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    The next 2 years will tell. With Trek releasing 650b, it is a little worrisome that we may be left in the dust. I could care less how many wheel sizes there are, I only hope that 26" wheels, forks, and tires don't disappear in the next couple years.

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    Surly don't seem to think it's a dying format, the 26 x 2.75 Dirt Wizard (marketed as 26 +) is quite a clever idea, it has same radius as 650b so could be used on the front end of most 650b bikes without issues.

    Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc

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    26" has not been killed.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Sorry im going to call you out on saying many feel enduro is the truest test of all mountain skill.... what a crock of shit. I know you pased the buck by saying " many feel" ,but with no quotes the credit goes to you.
    Right, I totally imagined it and pulled it out of my ass.

    This is how the Enduro World Series describes itself:

    ENDURO WORLD SERIES
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    RULE BOOK

    1. Description of Enduro Mountain Biking

    Enduro mountain bike racing is designed to be the definitive test for the mountain biker, with the focus of each event on creating a great atmosphere, community, competition and adventure for the competitor, including the best riding on the best terrain available in the host region.
    http://www.enduroworldseries.com/rules.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Right, I totally imagined it and pulled it out of my ass.

    This is how the Enduro World Series describes itself:



    Enduro World Series
    Well there you go, it's right there in the rules.

    Because someone putting it in a rule book makes it true, right? I think I'll write down a rule that my old socks are works of art worth $1,000 a piece. This is awesome, I'm going to be rich, because how can you argue with a written rule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post
    Well there you go, it's right there in the rules.

    Because someone putting it in a rule book makes it true, right? I think I'll write down a rule that my old socks are works of art worth $1,000 a piece. This is awesome, I'm going to be rich, because how can you argue with a written rule?

    Its not even a rule its advertising, which makes it more true!

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    In a 4 or 5 years after the masses are mostly on 650b's & 29's I do think 26's will get re-marketed by the powers that be as a lighter, quicker performance wheel the next time they need to change something just to shake things up (like now)

    The default mode for human is stupid after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogdog View Post
    Surly don't seem to think it's a dying format, the 26 x 2.75 Dirt Wizard (marketed as 26 +) is quite a clever idea, it has same radius as 650b so could be used on the front end of most 650b bikes without issues.

    Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc
    Surly is nothing if not creative. The Krampus is pretty weird IMHO, but why not have a 29er with a 3" wide tire that is the same tire height as a 26" fatbike?

    I can actually imagine that many frames won't have the clearance for a 26x2.75, but it's a clever idea.
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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Its not even a rule its advertising, which makes it more true!
    The point was I didn't invent the idea. All around bike skills is how Enduro has been promoted all along and promotes itself, as if you didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I fully expect to see 26 dissolve off the showroom floors in 1-2 years. That doesn't mean they go away in the niche markets though, and of course there will be parts for years to come, possibly forever.
    Thats just it. I recently went around to a few LBS here in SLC, UT searching for new tires (particularly Conti TK in 26"). Most of the shops had dedicated 2/3 to 3/4 of their replacement tire stock to 29ers. As if someone will go "Well since I can't buy a $50 replacement tire due to sizes, I'll just go buy a new $4000+ bike".

    Only bike shop that seems to carry 26" tires in large quantity is the freeride/downhill oriented one. Unfortunately, they just don't carry the brand I wanted (and I didn't feel like paying extra for Schwalbe which they have).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Right, I totally imagined it and pulled it out of my ass.

    This is how the Enduro World Series describes itself:

    "ENDURO WORLD SERIES
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    1. Description of Enduro Mountain Biking

    Enduro mountain bike racing is designed to be the definitive test for the mountain biker, with the focus of each event on creating a great atmosphere, community, competition and adventure for the competitor, including the best riding on the best terrain available in the host region. "
    So EWS is like the supreme court of enduro definition? Um... okay.

    <iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/3bQnxlHZsjY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    I've read that its more like a race where your riding/racing your buddies...

    "Probably all of us, when we bought our first bike, didn't think to do races or know much about international-level mountain biking. The first thing we did with our mountain bikes was climb up hills so we could have fun going down them. That is the philosophy of enduro." - Franco Monchiero


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    I was in Performance two days ago, and their selection of 29er and 650b tires was about 10% compared to 26ers - actually, they didn't ANY 650b products (Albuquerque). The three LBSs that I occasionally buy from - about the same. Plenty of 26er product, wheels, forks, tires... and 29er stuff is available, but not outnumbering 26.

    Durango, on the other hand... Mountain Bike Specialists hasn't carried 26ers for a couple years (save for a Demo and Status they had briefly). You might not even know 26ers exist if you go there. But that town is "special", doubt its an accurate representation of reality across the country.

    That Surly bike - I wouldn't call it clever, except from a marketing standpoint I guess. I'm sure the dirt hipsters will love a new fatbike option. Fatbike light? Either way, I don't think it will be instrumental in keeping the 26 format alive.

    It will eventually wane, but marketeers will bring it back after a few years. Its gotten us this far...
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    This sort of thread never dies.

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    No good

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    In my experience Massachusetts and New Hampshire are still overwhelmingly loaded with 26.. and I'm not complaining at all..

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    In 4-5 years I will still be riding my 26" bike.

    As for the industry killing it. It's simple, I would rather pay somebody like Sherwood Gibson( owner of Ventana Bikes) to custom build me another 26" bike, than give money to an industry that has betrayed it's loyal users by eliminating a wheel size in less than one year.

    I am so glad that I buy boutique bikes... They have not and hopefully will not sell out to the marketing madness known as bigger wheels must be better for everyone all the time in all situations.

    I don't hate bigger wheel sizes. I do hate bike companies that eliminate wheel sizes to manipulate the market.

    As for the Enduro, how can something be the best anything in mountain biking when the pro's are pushing their bikes up the hills?

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    the issue is not whether you'll be able to continue buying 26" tires, or how many of which wheel size you see on the trail next weekend, or which wheel size is on the winner's bike this week at the Enduro World Series.

    the real question is, will bike companies continue to develop and release new 26" trail/AM bikes? will we see a new Nomad from Santa Cruz, or a new Enduro/Stumpjumper from Specialized? I think the writing is on the wall (NO).

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    A good Enduro course's climbing section should be too steep to climb on the bike. There you go.
    On a LOT of big, real, raw rides here in the Tetons/Big Hole's, there can be hours and hours of hike a bike. Just the way it is here. So any race that doesn't have those hike a bikes would, essentially, be a fiction...a simulation of what we ride day in, day out. IMO, if you can ride/clean ALL of a good ( backcountry) trail, it's too manicured and flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Sorry im going to call you out on saying many feel enduro is the truest test of all mountain skill.... what a crock of shit. I know you pased the buck by saying " many feel" ,but with no quotes the credit goes to you.

    How can you call it a race if the uphill is untimed?
    What exactly are you trying to say here?

    First, many enduros have timed uphill sections. Second, if you could even use a term like 'All Mountain' (which I'm not exactly sure how I feel about to begin with) than an enduro style race WOULD be the truest test of the so called 'All Mountain' discipline in this great sport. I mean, thats what Enduro is, right? An 'All Mountain' race? It's not a DH race, it's not an XC race, not a short track, slopestlye comp or Dual SL...
    Respectfully, if an all mountain race is not the truest test of all mountain skill than what the hell is? Do you have some new cutting edge race format you're not telling us all about? If you are please let us know. I really don't want to continue participating in any events that are a crock of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    A good Enduro course's climbing section should be too steep to climb on the bike. There you go.
    On a LOT of big, real, raw rides here in the Tetons/Big Hole's, there can be hours and hours of hike a bike. Just the way it is here. So any race that doesn't have those hike a bikes would, essentially, be a fiction...a simulation of what we ride day in, day out. IMO, if you can ride/clean ALL of a good ( backcountry) trail, it's too manicured and flat.
    ^^^^^^^^^
    I like that idea.

    Also, not all the pros walked between stages. Well, almost all. At the first EWS, Cedric basically RAN a 5k between stages due to a chain issue.

    I like my 26. I like my 29. I've yet to try 650. If technology never created a "new" version of the bikes I have - they work great, I'm okay with that. I have friends that can weld, and heat treat, and JB weld with hose clamps - if really needed. And most of the time I buy used anyhow. No sweat. 26 will be available without too much trouble until its second coming.

    Of course, they might just come back with 25.5 instead, just to be d****s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    A good Enduro course's climbing section should be too steep to climb on the bike. There you go.
    On a LOT of big, real, raw rides here in the Tetons/Big Hole's, there can be hours and hours of hike a bike. Just the way it is here. So any race that doesn't have those hike a bikes would, essentially, be a fiction...a simulation of what we ride day in, day out. IMO, if you can ride/clean ALL of a good ( backcountry) trail, it's too manicured and flat.
    And the downs are so steep you have to trow your bike off a cliff and sky dive after it! Now thats a test of bike handeling skill

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    Well, I bet some might be for 'average' riders, yes!

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    Bad taste dude
    Sorry you are butt hurt. Maybe if you were less offensive and dickish you wouldn't get flamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsinore View Post
    What exactly are you trying to say here?

    First, many enduros have timed uphill sections. Second, if you could even use a term like 'All Mountain' (which I'm not exactly sure how I feel about to begin with) than an enduro style race WOULD be the truest test of the so called 'All Mountain' discipline in this great sport. I mean, thats what Enduro is, right? An 'All Mountain' race? It's not a DH race, it's not an XC race, not a short track, slopestlye comp or Dual SL...
    Respectfully, if an all mountain race is not the truest test of all mountain skill than what the hell is? Do you have some new cutting edge race format you're not telling us all about? If you are please let us know. I really don't want to continue participating in any events that are a crock of shit.
    Yes its a race where all sections are timed........

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Sorry you are butt hurt. Maybe if you were less offensive and dickish you wouldn't get flamed.
    Ok, gentlemen - cease the Testosterone-flinging....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    So EWS is like the supreme court of enduro definition? Um... okay.
    They can make up whatever definition they want in their own race. Sounds like a good enough general description AFAIC.

    So what's your definition, Slick ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    the real question is, will bike companies continue to develop and release new 26" trail/AM bikes? will we see a new Nomad from Santa Cruz, or a new Enduro/Stumpjumper from Specialized? I think the writing is on the wall (NO).
    Completely agree. 26" obviously won't disappear overnight, but we've seen the last newly-designed 26" bike, excluding freeride and downhilll. And why? It's because 27.5 is nearly identical, a very easy change to make, and it's new to the mass market, and cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by yosemite View Post
    Maybe the 26" will get it's own forum now that it's niche. lol
    I'm waiting for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuglio View Post
    and the downs are so steep you have to trow your bike off a cliff and sky dive after it! Now thats a test of bike handeling skill
    lmao!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    And the downs are so steep you have to trow your bike off a cliff and sky dive after it! Now thats a test of bike handeling skill
    No, you have to learn how to ride your bike, and quit walking down the hard stuff, puss-puss.

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    Maybe the 26" will get it's own forum now that it's niche. lol
    It called the AM forum
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    You can't even walk down some of our stuff, Wendy.

    You just gotta huck it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yosemite View Post
    You can't even walk down some of our stuff, Wendy.

    You just gotta huck it.
    Haha, DaveM doesn't call me walkit for nothing!

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    i am having trouble finding a fork for my DH bike that has V-brake bosses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    i am having trouble finding a fork for my DH bike that has V-brake bosses.
    Just make some Moots Mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    i am having trouble finding a fork for my DH bike that has V-brake bosses.
    Brakes only slow you down BRAH

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    They can make up whatever definition they want in their own race. Sounds like a good enough general description AFAIC.

    So what's your definition, Slick ?
    Of Enduro, or of a definitive test for the mountain bike rider? To me, they are not the same. Remove the "definitive test for the mountain biker", and it would be close to something I could agree with.

    Without timed climbing, trials to some point, slopestyle, urban and some big mountain lines thrown in - how can something be the "definitive test"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Brakes only slow you down BRAH
    You ride chainless too? Well I ride brakeless, foo

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    Quote Originally Posted by nord1899 View Post
    You ride chainless too? Well I ride brakeless, foo
    Nice glad you caught it


    Chainless DH might be the definitive test of all mountain skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    I'm happy with my 26" little bicycle.
    Amen!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Completely agree. 26" obviously won't disappear overnight, but we've seen the last newly-designed 26" bike, excluding freeride and downhilll. And why? It's because 27.5 is nearly identical, a very easy change to make, and it's new to the mass market, and cool.



    I'm waiting for that.

    There is this.... 2014 Surly Instigator

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    Wow, some folks in this thread (starting with the OP) have really lost all sense of perspective. 26ers dead? Industry killing 26" in a year? Seriously

    Is there some info I am missing?

    Can someone list all the companies that have dropped all their 26" AM bikes? Turner may have dropped the 5-spot (though it is still on their site). Other than that.... what? When I look at their sites, every major manufacture that offered 26" am bikes two years ago still is.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Hmmm. Forced to buy yet another bike? Or two? Okay!

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

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    Ok then, so the industry just killed 26. It's a fact.
    A fact! It's a fact!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post
    Wow, some folks in this thread (starting with the OP) have really lost all sense of perspective. 26ers dead? Industry killing 26" in a year? Seriously

    Is there some info I am missing?



    Can someone list all the companies that have dropped all their 26" AM bikes? Turner may have dropped the 5-spot (though it is still on their site). Other than that.... what? When I look at their sites, every major manufacture that offered 26" am bikes two years ago still is.
    Turner only makes the DHR in 26"
    Trek , Norco, Rocky Mountain, Lapierre , Giant is headed that way. Santa Cruz has one bike left, which I suspect will be gone soon too.
    Specialized still makes the evo...
    But the list new 26" bike releases is very small.

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    Rocky mountain hasn't "dropped" all of their 26 inch bikes. Slayer, Flatline, and Element all 26

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidrick View Post
    Turner only makes the DHR in 26"
    Trek , Norco, Rocky Mountain, Lapierre , Giant is headed that way. Santa Cruz has one bike left, which I suspect will be gone soon too.
    Specialized still makes the evo...
    But the list new 26" bike releases is very small.
    Huh?

    Trek, Norco, Giant, Rocky Mountain, Santa Cruz, Specialized and Giant ALL have multiple 26" Trail and AM bikes. (Did not check on Lapierre).
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Re: Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Yeti is still 26"...

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    Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    You guys are all smoking crack. 26" isn't going anywhere. It's just not what everyone is talking about at the moment. Though, I fully welcome cheap 26" forks/wheels and an abundant used market. It ain't gonna happen though.

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    When several companies such as Giant, Kona, Lapierre, Trek, Scott and others drop nearly the entire range of 26" full suspension bikes in the same year, with the exception of one or two long travel models, it should be an indication that 26" wheels are being abandoned across the board by the major manufacturers. It's almost guaranteed that Specialized will follow suit next year, regardless of whether they actually think that 650b is a better alternative.

    It seems extremely unlikely that we'll see a new short or medium travel full suspension bike with 26" wheels from any mid size or large manufacturer. Yeti and the like may continue making 26" bikes, but they won't launch any new 26" models, simply because it's not economically viable.

    I'm not saying this in order to fuel some kind of 26" vs 650b flame war, but because it's worth pointing out how quickly the majority of the major manufacturers took up the 650b trend.

    I think it should be obvious to anyone that the mindset of the major manufacturers is that 26" wheeled bikes are too difficult to sell.

    Perhaps the main point to take from this whole 650b thing is that the major manufacturers have become acutely aware of new trends among (a minority of) their customers. This puts small companies like Surly in an interesting position, because if they can launch a product that appeals to a lot of people (like the fatbike), the major manufacturers are now much more likely to jump on the bandwagon.

    It used to be that large companies like Specialized defined how mountain bikes were designed. Now more that case that small manufacturers create innovations that become popular among mountain bikers, and the large manufacturers jump on the bandwagon without themselves having to take the risk of trying out something new. This is why Specialized is launching a fatbike, when 5 years ago they'd figure that launching a product like this would spell economic disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidrick View Post
    Turner only makes the DHR in 26"
    Trek , Norco, Rocky Mountain, Lapierre , Giant is headed that way. Santa Cruz has one bike left, which I suspect will be gone soon too.
    Specialized still makes the evo...
    But the list new 26" bike releases is very small.
    Santa Cruz still makes the Heckler, Blur TR, Blur TRc, Nomad, Nomad C, V10, Chameleon, and Jackal.

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    Big wheels are better at rolling over stuff and straight lining.

    Smaller wheels are better at redirecting and being poppy and playful.

    Only advanced riders see the trail as a canvas to playfully create unique lines/gaps and even amongst advanced riders, it is a unique population. The vast majority of riders straightline it down middle of the trail.

    Mass marketed bikes are made for the mass market and their riding style and their (created) perception of need. So more bigger wheels in the future.

    26 will become a niche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welnic View Post
    Santa Cruz still makes the Heckler, Blur TR, Blur TRc, Nomad, Nomad C, V10, Chameleon, and Jackal.
    Heckler has gone 650b.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Big wheels are better at rolling over stuff and straight lining.

    Smaller wheels are better at redirecting and being poppy and playful.

    Only advanced riders see the trail as a canvas to playfully create unique lines/gaps and even amongst advanced riders, it is a unique population. The vast majority of riders straightline it down middle of the trail.

    Mass marketed bikes are made for the mass market and their riding style and their (created) perception of need. So more bigger wheels in the future.

    26 will become a niche.

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    That's sort of how I see it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post
    Heckler has gone 650b.
    So it has, thanks.

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    Transition TransAm is going to 650b. No more 26"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    All the manufacturers are going that way not because it makes people better riders or even because it's an improvement in technology, but because there's profit in literally reinventing the wheel (fragmenting the market).

    They're hoping that everyone is going to abandon their 26" and even some 29" bikes to go to 650B. And it looks like they're getting their wish. Specialized isn't ready to jump on the 650B wagon yet (as least from what I've heard so far, but that may have changed), but they probably will after they get enough "engineering" involved.

    Even if they do, there are plenty of other people still on good 26" MTBs that aren't changing anytime soon just because the industry says so, so there will still be parts and frames available--just as obviously sold over the trade rags like Mountain Bike Action because they're not the latest and greatest.

    None of this is going to make you a better climber/descender/cornerer/hucker/whatever. What does is a bike that fits you that you enjoy and working on your skills.

    I'm off to go ride my slow 26" wheels, but at least I'll have a smile on my face
    Very well put. 650B is a very quick and economical way for the manufacturers to re-release their 26" offerings as a new bike. The Pivot Firebird is a great example. Slap some 650B wheels on it and call it new. This could never be the case with 29ers, and why I suspect the 29er revolution took much longer to gain traction. 29ers requires all new designs, R&D, fabrication, tooling, testing, etc.

    I would like to try a 650B bike, but I have yet to see a setup that makes me want to just ship from my current rides. (both 26ers) The New Pivot Mach 6 is a step in the right direction though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    All the manufacturers are going that way not because it makes people better riders or even because it's an improvement in technology, but because there's profit in literally reinventing the wheel (fragmenting the market).

    They're hoping that everyone is going to abandon their 26" and even some 29" bikes to go to 650B. And it looks like they're getting their wish. Specialized isn't ready to jump on the 650B wagon yet (as least from what I've heard so far, but that may have changed), but they probably will after they get enough "engineering" involved.

    Even if they do, there are plenty of other people still on good 26" MTBs that aren't changing anytime soon just because the industry says so, so there will still be parts and frames available--just as obviously sold over the trade rags like Mountain Bike Action because they're not the latest and greatest.

    None of this is going to make you a better climber/descender/cornerer/hucker/whatever. What does is a bike that fits you that you enjoy and working on your skills.

    I'm off to go ride my slow 26" wheels, but at least I'll have a smile on my face
    The 650b push did not come from the industry. Riders have been riding and asking for it for last 2 years... (at least)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Big wheels are better at rolling over stuff and straight lining.

    Smaller wheels are better at redirecting and being poppy and playful.

    Only advanced riders see the trail as a canvas to playfully create unique lines/gaps and even amongst advanced riders, it is a unique population. The vast majority of riders straightline it down middle of the trail.

    Mass marketed bikes are made for the mass market and their riding style and their (created) perception of need. So more bigger wheels in the future.

    26 will become a niche.

    P

    Very well put, and exactly what I've come to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    The 650b push did not come from the industry. Riders have been riding and asking for it for last 2 years... (at least)
    Jason Moschloers comments would disagree with you. He said that 26" wheels had been taken off the menu, at the Taiwan trade show. A place were riders are not allowed, but the industry is.

    So I am sure that a vocal minority of riders called the bike companies to ask for them , but this push is ENTIRELY driven by the industry.

    I would like to see some industry reps hooked up to lie detectors and have them answer some questions about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidrick View Post
    Jason Moschloers comments would disagree with you. He said that 26" wheels had been taken off the menu, at the Taiwan trade show. A place were riders are not allowed, but the industry is.

    So I am sure that a vocal minority of riders called the bike companies to ask for them , but this push is ENTIRELY driven by the industry.

    I would like to see some industry reps hooked up to lie detectors and have them answer some questions about this.
    Why would they take bikes (26ers) to the tradeshow that people did not ask for?
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    matter of prespective

    Guess it's a matter of perspective.
    A friend tried the size out(650B) years ago. He has an engineering background and has always tinkered with his bikes.
    Being extremely tall he moved on to 29'ers when they became widely available.
    Myself being much shorter 5'8" 30"inseam liked the 650B's enough to get one three years ago. From the first ride I knew I was done with 26ers.
    I noticed a big enough difference that first day in roll over to know I had found the best size for me.
    At the time Most talk on MTBR was about the lack of tires and bikes and how 650B would never stick. Now everyone is scarred 650B will ruin there precious 26? Of course these are the same people who have not ridden one. Honestly the size is no where near the jump to 29( I could see the argument if we were all being pushed to 29's)
    I get everything I liked in my 26 with my 650B plus better roll over.
    Whats not to like? Take off the tin foil hats and stop watching conspiracy videos on you tube. Gesh talk about First world problems
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    All this polarity because of wheelsize is soooo asinine! Don't you guys see how silly it is to get up in arms over it? At least it is entertaining to the rest of us who just like to ride and have no particular allegiance to something as silly as a wheel size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carverboy View Post
    Guess it's a matter of perspective.
    A friend tried the size out(650B) years ago. He has an engineering background and has always tinkered with his bikes.
    Being extremely tall he moved on to 29'ers when they became widely available.
    Myself being much shorter 5'8" 30"inseam liked the 650B's enough to get one three years ago. From the first ride I knew I was done with 26ers.
    I noticed a big enough difference that first day in roll over to know I had found the best size for me.
    At the time Most talk on MTBR was about the lack of tires and bikes and how 650B would never stick. Now everyone is scarred 650B will ruin there precious 26? Of course these are the same people who have not ridden one. Honestly the size is no where near the jump to 29( I could see the argument if we were all being pushed to 29's)
    I get everything I liked in my 26 with my 650B plus better roll over.
    Whats not to like? Take off the tin foil hats and stop watching conspiracy videos on you tube. Gesh talk about First world problems
    "the evil bike industry is making us ride better bikes WAHHH.."

    your height makes no difference on your wheel size..... the trail stays the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    your height makes no difference on your wheel size..... the trail stays the same
    you have got to be kidding. a person's height makes a huge difference in frame size, which then when paired with wheel size and ground clearance results in your center of gravity height.

    a 6'6" man could ride a 16" folding bike. it would be weird and tippy, but he's riding. (on the streets, obviously, not singletrack or DH.) he's obviously way better off on 26" and then again better on 29" because of his height.

    a 5'0" woman can ride a 29er. the geometry gets crazy and the frame has some wild bends, but all the pro/cat1 XC racers have done it anyway. same thing in road racing-- few women ride 650b even though the geometry is way better than 700c in very small frame sizes.

    those are the extremes. in the middle, there's a big range of a person's height where 26, 27.5, and 29 frames all work acceptably well, and this thread has beat to death exactly what those differences may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    you have got to be kidding. a person's height makes a huge difference in frame size, which then when paired with wheel size and ground clearance results in your center of gravity height.

    a 6'6" man could ride a 16" folding bike. it would be weird and tippy, but he's riding. (on the streets, obviously, not singletrack or DH.) he's obviously way better off on 26" and then again better on 29" because of his height.

    a 5'0" woman can ride a 29er. the geometry gets crazy and the frame has some wild bends, but all the pro/cat1 XC racers have done it anyway. same thing in road racing-- few women ride 650b even though the geometry is way better than 700c in very small frame sizes.

    those are the extremes. in the middle, there's a big range of a person's height where 26, 27.5, and 29 frames all work acceptably well, and this thread has beat to death exactly what those differences may be.


    uhh its the frame designers job to make frames with 29er wheels to work for small people... and for 26 inch bikes to work with taller people


    the wheel size is just a moving piece that some manufactures are too lazy or cheap to design around



    if someone tells you a 29er wont work for you cause your 5'4" they are full of crap


    if someone tells you a 26" bike is to small and a 29er will work better cause you 6'2" they are full of crap


    your height will not dictate wheel size riding style and personal preference will



    If you see a tall person on a 29er lamenting the fact they cant ride a big travel 26er cause they are tall and the 29er is the best fit for them tell them they should have listened to fuglio and not colin


    look around at geo charts bb height and wheel base can be all over the place for all 3 wheel sizes based on the bike size

    buying a 29er cause your tall is dumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Haha...I would love to hear your opinions on 6' dudes skiing 150cm park skis in powder!
    Because they are compleatly analogous?

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    Funny troll starting this thead. Smaller frames, for longer travel bikes seem natural for 26, for one. While I understand the less rolling resistance and all that, I did not want to spend $3000 building my FS AM bike, so I went 26 as I favor tight technical stuff and read a lot of these sort of threads of Plus and Minus factors before doing so. The 29" fork was $$ more than a close out deal on 26". Same for the frame, everyone was buying up 29 frames so I also don't race, tried that and it seemed to suck all the fun out of riding. I got more riding in on weekends I was not racing. Anyway, I just rode my "outdated " 26 AM bike I built in last year last night, and it was super fun, the bike was awesome, just need a little tweaking on my suspension settings. I can't wait to see the 29r guys get nervous looking at the 650b bikes and wondering if they did the right thing - oh noo...they will have to buy a new bike. Surprise, that is what the industry wants. My riding buddy also has a 6 year old 26, so we are both old and slow, works for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkdaddy View Post
    Funny troll starting this thead. Smaller frames, for longer travel bikes seem natural for 26, for one. While I understand the less rolling resistance and all that, I did not want to spend $3000 building my FS AM bike, so I went 26 as I favor tight technical stuff and read a lot of these sort of threads of Plus and Minus factors before doing so. The 29" fork was $$ more than a close out deal on 26". Same for the frame, everyone was buying up 29 frames so I also don't race, tried that and it seemed to suck all the fun out of riding. I got more riding in on weekends I was not racing. Anyway, I just rode my "outdated " 26 AM bike I built in last year last night, and it was super fun, the bike was awesome, just need a little tweaking on my suspension settings. I can't wait to see the 29r guys get nervous looking at the 650b bikes and wondering if they did the right thing - oh noo...they will have to buy a new bike. Surprise, that is what the industry wants. My riding buddy also has a 6 year old 26, so we are both old and slow, works for us.
    You honestly have no idea what the meaning of funny is, co'z you're the one who's bein funny here. You did a great job researching on my profile when it is just easier if you could just answer the query of the thread.

    Yeah you're right. I ride an "outdated" 26 HT, A 26 fulsusser that's under 3 grand, And an entry level 29. I was not racing and i do more riding on weekends. I'm 38, I'm old and i'm slow. So what else do you wanna know? Thanks for the effort man, but i ain't gonna give you my number. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer22 View Post
    You honestly have no idea what the meaning of funny is, co'z you're the one who's bein funny here. You did a great job researching on my profile when it is just easier if you could just answer the query of the thread.

    Yeah you're right. I ride an "outdated" 26 HT, A 26 fulsusser that's under 3 grand, And an entry level 29. I was not racing and i do more riding on weekends. I'm 38, I'm old and i'm slow. So what else do you wanna know? Thanks for the effort man, but i ain't gonna give you my number. lol.
    ? There was little in my post about anything to do with you personally, don't know which direction that came from. and no I'm not looking for man friends. I'm over decade older BTW, but having a blast, and yea also have a '93 HT that sees a fair bit of use. I might have tried a 29 if money was no object but built a really nice Trance X 26 with 140 fork and stan's wheels for just over $1500 as the frame was only about $350 and fork about $400 new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carverboy View Post
    Now everyone is scarred 650B will ruin there precious 26? Of course these are the same people who have not ridden one. Honestly the size is no where near the jump to 29( I could see the argument if we were all being pushed to 29's)
    I get everything I liked in my 26 with my 650B plus better roll over.
    Whats not to like? Take off the tin foil hats and stop watching conspiracy videos on you tube. Gesh talk about First world problems
    "the evil bike industry is making us ride better bikes WAHHH.."

    i totally agree, People will say tons of things and spread rumour without even try.

    I was one against 29ers.... untill i got one for myself..of course the first crop of 29er were crap due to bad geometry but the newer ones have fixed the bugs associated to 29er...i agree its different, it took me a month to get used to it, now i'm hooked, i can honnestly say that my yelli screamy is as nimble and as stable as my all mountain bike 26".

    same goes for 650b, i tested one for a day two weeks ago, great bike, similar if not the same handling as 26" but with a greater rollover..seriously dont fear 650b, other than rollover you wont feel much difference other than finding yourself going faster.

    try before criticizing
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkdaddy View Post
    ? There was little in my post about anything to do with you personally, don't know which direction that came from. and no I'm not looking for man friends. I'm over decade older BTW, but having a blast, and yea also have a '93 HT that sees a fair bit of use. I might have tried a 29 if money was no object but built a really nice Trance X 26 with 140 fork and stan's wheels for just over $1500 as the frame was only about $350 and fork about $400 new.
    Man, that actually caught me. My bad. Really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer22 View Post

    Give is your thoughts...
    When the mfgs saturate the bike dealers with 650b stuff that won't sell, the next big thing will come along I am sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tartosuc View Post
    i totally agree, People will say tons of things and spread rumour without even try.

    I was one against 29ers.... untill i got one for myself..of course the first crop of 29er were crap due to bad geometry but the newer ones have fixed the bugs associated to 29er...i agree its different, it took me a month to get used to it, now i'm hooked, i can honnestly say that my yelli screamy is as nimble and as stable as my all mountain bike 26".

    same goes for 650b, i tested one for a day two weeks ago, great bike, similar if not the same handling as 26" but with a greater rollover..seriously dont fear 650b, other than rollover you wont feel much difference other than finding yourself going faster.

    try before criticizing
    I admit I have not tried a bike with 650b's bolted on it yet ...but I have had 26's with big tires that were basically the same size. At lease with 29's, love them or hate them, there is a huge difference & that is the point a lot of us are trying to make about 650bs ... there is no reason for the change other than a marketing ploy

    I have a $8000.00 29'er sitting in my office right now that belongs to a friend ... I tried it & it feels like a giant turd to me .... sure I could get used to it & I could get used to a lot of other stuff that feels like crap ... but why would I want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Sorry im going to call you out on saying many feel enduro is the truest test of all mountain skill.... what a crock of shit.

    How can you call it a race if the uphill is untimed?

    I have nothing against enduro races, just people that veiw them as a purer form of the sport.

    and your wheels dont need to be a certain size to do so
    I agree with this 100%. Make those bastids ride UP the hill (timed) as fast as they can as well before pointing back down.

    But I guess that's no fun and would be called xc racing.

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    Sticking with 26", it's what started it all......
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    To blame the bike manufactures for this trend is silly. We all go to work for the same reason; to earn money (to buy bikes). If they stop making 26-inch bikes, I assure you it is because they stopped selling. If you owned a company that made something that was selling well, and thus generating profit, would you stop as part of some industry conspiracy? To all those who are upset, I wonder, have you bought a 26-inch bike in the past year or so? Be angry at the consumers who buy 29ers for the wrong reason if you want, but don't blame the manufactures for not building bikes that are just sitting on the showrooms of your LBS.
    Last edited by Bjdraw; 07-26-2013 at 08:47 AM.

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    Re: Are you still hoping for 26" Re-release? Give us your thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bjdraw View Post
    To blame the bike manufactures for this tread is silly. We all go to work for the same reason; to earn money (to buy bikes). If they stop making 26-inch bikes, I assure you it is because they stopped selling. If you owned a company that made something that was selling well, and thus generating profit, would you stop as part of some industry conspiracy? To all those who are upset, I wonder, have you bought a 26-inch bike in the past year or so? Be angry at the consumers who buy 29ers for the wrong reason if you want, but don't blame the manufactures for not building bikes that are just sitting on the showrooms of your LBS.
    You stop with this silly argument right now. It is all conspiracy. You make no sense with your non factual statements. I just want to ride my 26er till I die. There isn't any difference between 26 and 650b. Stupid people on their 650b bikes don't know anything, it was forced on them by the greedy industry. I don't have to try them, owner of my LBS measured the wheels and there is only like an inch difference. And do not even try to tell me I should at least ride them before I express myself, because I don't have to, I just need to see some pictures of them and I know right away...
    I tried to ridicule it before as a fad, but unfortunately it looks like it is going to stay so now I have to use this conspiracy argument.
    I hope I can still buy some 26 rubber in a year...
    This is like a bad dream. Ouch.

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    I completely agree. It's very obvious 26" is not selling well in mid and short travel bikes, thus the door is wide open for 27.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    I completely agree. It's very obvious 26" is not selling well in mid and short travel bikes, thus the door is wide open for 27.5.
    26's are selling ... just not in the right place! The "pro" level bike industries is shaking things up because they are scare to death of Wal-mart .... all it would take is to get a bike savvy person in the right position in the chain of command at wally world & goodby $4000.00 bikes.

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    Hey, that 4000 pays a lot of middlemen... err, I mean keeps many people employed.
    We're all on the same ship, and it's sinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Hey, that 4000 pays a lot of middlemen.
    I'm not arguing a position .... I'm just saying it could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    You're kidding right? This is ENTIRELY the fault of the bike manufacturers. It's a quick way to make a buck with very little investment (e.g engineering) involved. Most of these are 26" frames I'm sure.

    I just bought a 26" bike about 2 weeks ago, so yes, this whole thing pisses me off. There's no real engineering improvement to this, only a way to increase their bottom lines by increasing buyers with fear, uncertainty and doubt.

    "OMFG.. I need a new bike!!"
    "Why? What's wrong with your old one?"
    "It's not the current wheel size!!!"
    "What will this do for your riding as a recreational rider?"
    "Absolutely nothing!!! But the industry says I neeeeeed it!!!"

    While I don't like 29ers, they have had 10 years of being developed and improved, and there are people who really like them for XC and Trail. 650B grew like wildfire and you can't tell me that the manufacturers have had these "new designs" in the cooker for YEARS when they just flipped the bit this year.

    Bought a new 26 about 3 weeks ago myself .... I knew the 27.5's were coming wanted to make sure I got the bike I wanted in a 26 version before they frakked them up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudviking View Post
    Sticking with 26", it's what started it all......
    Ahh yes, nostalgia, always the best emotion to make decisions with. Do you still listen to LP's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    I just bought a 26" bike about 2 weeks ago, so yes, this whole thing pisses me off.
    I know exactly how you feel. I love hatchbacks and at one point most of the car manufacturers stopped making them because people prefer SUVs. Luckily that trend has reversed itself a bit in the past few years. But I never blamed Honda for discontinuing the Civic hatchback.

    Also, I love my Trance 29er and my 26er HT. I've ridden a 650b extensively and think it definitely has a place. But three wheel size options for each bike obviously isn't sustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjdraw View Post

    Also, I love my Trance 29er and my 26er HT. I've ridden a 650b extensively and think it definitely has a place. But three wheel size options for each bike obviously isn't sustainable.
    What!?

    Three sizes is not sustainable? This is obvious?

    I belive with enough consumers three sizes is perfecly reasonable. Espeshally given the fact two of them use nearly all the same parts.

    With enough people buying bikes there will be enough demand to sustain 3 sizes.

    The mountain bike market is growing. And the target demographic (upper middle class) is doing better economicly. These people are likly to buy multipul bikes of various wheel sizes as thier disposable income grows.

    How again is it obvious the market cant sustain 3 sizes?

    Why risk a new size if they thought they could only sell and support two sizes?


    All three sizes are here to stay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    What!?

    Three sizes is not sustainable? This is obvious?
    Based on what the major manufacturers are planning to sell in the next 2 years.

    There are several reasons why the "wheel size" is here to stay and parts will be available indefinitely and if not at least for years to come. But on the other hand, it appears by all measures and information that major manufacturers and bike shops will stop carrying 26" bikes, save for a few niche markets.
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    29ers should have killed off xc 26er hardtails but they are still around if you want one... just because they arnt make a new model every year doesnt make it dead.. and they are far from unavailable

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