• 11-19-2012
    CabezaShok
    Whats the Honda Civic of AM bikes?
    Need help searching for a used, practical AM bike on a blue-collar budget. When i think "Honda Civic" i think:
    -relatively low cost
    -plentiful, (can be found on Craigs list once in a while)
    -easy to find parts (No "Lefty" forks)
    -low maintenance/easy to service....(single pivot etc..)
    -Doesn't do anything really awesome, performance-wise...but is not the worst either

    Whats your favorite?

    .......Team Murray?...AMF?...Huffy?:D THANKS!!
  • 11-19-2012
    cman8
    I think a SC heckler might fit into your description. and right now on the VPLS on santa cruz's website their like 550 bucks for a frame. very good deal.
  • 11-19-2012
    NoahColorado
    Turner RFX & Santa Cruz Nomad jump out in my mind.
  • 11-19-2012
    edispilf
    Turner Spot/RFX and a grease gun. If you can get it raw paint then you wont have to worry about anything.
  • 11-19-2012
    CannondaleF9
    The older models of the Cannondale Jekyll may be in that class. If not, then I would go with a Gary Fisher (if you can find one) other than that, RZ140 Cannondales and earlier model Giant Reigns may be more in the range you have said.
    I would look at the Giant Reign.
  • 11-19-2012
    hitechredneck
    The specialized enduro is the civic of the all mountain world. You can find them everywhere and on a big group ride you will normally see 2 or 3. It is respected when others see it and has a almost cult like following.
  • 11-19-2012
    eastshorebiker
    Santa Cruz Heckler is about as close to a Honda Civic as you can get. I know because I've owned both.;):D:thumbsup:
  • 11-19-2012
    Diegobustillos
    Id say its either a specialized comp or a trek remedy. Low cost, big brand, good but not great..etc.
  • 11-19-2012
    XJaredX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    The specialized enduro is the civic of the all mountain world. You can find them everywhere and on a big group ride you will normally see 2 or 3. It is respected when others see it and has a almost cult like following.

    This. I don't own an Enduro, either, but this is true
  • 11-19-2012
    mnigro
    I think a few bikes fall into this category but the Enduro isn't one of them. The giant reign, heckler and older nomad is what I'm thinking of when I think Civic. See lots of them up for sale at good prices.
  • 11-19-2012
    Spykr
    Used Santa Cruz Heckler or a used Cannondale Prophet! Always a good number for sale for around 1 grand!
  • 11-19-2012
    CabezaShok
    Awesome, so Ive been collecting pics of these recommended rigs using google image.
    im drooling on the Heckler's single pivot/one piece swing-arm simplicity...also the Prophets. im still tryng to keep open minded tho, to better odds of finding something decent soon, rather than waiting months and months for that one type of AM to pop up on CL.

    cheers!
  • 11-19-2012
    westeast
    yep, SC Heckler or any other well made single pivot.
  • 11-19-2012
    nauc
    Heckler
  • 11-19-2012
    sir_crackien
    yeah I agree with everything said here. the enduro is the civic of the mountian bike in numbers but I do feel the single pivot bike imcompasses the civics nature better. I have thought about getting a heckler many many times throughout the years but just never picked one up. a good friend of mine has been riding is Cannondale phophet for what seems like forever.
  • 11-19-2012
    RobinGB
    heckler/stinky fill the bill or failing that a reign..


    There are soo many old stinkys and hecklers around, they seem to go forever and after the initial depreciation they keep a fairly steady price so long as they are kept up..

    I dont know how much closer to a civic you can get.
  • 11-19-2012
    tryinghardrider
    Giant Reign of varying flavors (Reign 2, 1, 0, X etc) and Specialized Enduro seem to be the more common AM bikes even here in SEAsia. Especially the Reign.
  • 11-19-2012
    Procter
    Also look at yeti 575's: simple, stout, single pivot workhorse.
  • 11-20-2012
    PSICODROMO
    Santa Cruz Heckler
  • 11-20-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CabezaShok View Post
    Need help searching for a used, practical AM bike on a

    Mid range Giant, Trek or Specialized.

    Nice bikes, the whole thing will be priced about the same as the some of the frames being suggested.

    You can do a lot worse than an Enduro or Reign.
  • 11-20-2012
    mykel
    First thing to mind before even opening the post....

    Heckler

    Guess I'm not alone in that thought.

    michael
  • 11-20-2012
    bluechair84
    There's a lot of people posting 'boutique' brands that don't really smack of cheap AM in my mind... Enduro as many people have said are a good cheap all rounder. Cannondale Prophet can be picked up cheap too and is probably a bit more classy than an Enduro. I've had one and liked it a lot.
  • 11-20-2012
    aedubber
    Ok before everyone keeps answering we need to know a PRICE... Whats the max that your looking to spend on a bike ?

    What type of trails do you ride mostly ?

    What matters the most to you ? Climbing up or going down ?- Pick one

    Then you can get a better idea of bikes :)

    Last time i recall , and Enduro wasnt " cheap " and it sure as hell could shred up trails from what i recall on my enduro :skep: but then again its mostly about the rider and not the bike :p.
  • 11-20-2012
    smmokan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Turner RFX & Santa Cruz Nomad jump out in my mind.

    Nomad? Unless you misspoke and meant the Heckler, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
  • 11-20-2012
    lazarus2405
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bluechair84 View Post
    There's a lot of people posting 'boutique' brands that don't really smack of cheap AM in my mind...

    Santa Cruz is a "botique"? Now I know they aren't one of the "big four", but their bikes aren't hard to find on the used market. A quick search of the local Craigslists (Boston area in my case) showed a Heckler, a Nickel, and four Bullits listed within seven days, with prices ranging from $800 to $1800. With very little effort invested in searching I'd say that's promising at the least.

    If you didn't mean SC, then I'm not sure what you're referring to.
  • 11-20-2012
    ihaveagibsonsg
    While an enduro may not be a Hyundai accent 3DR hatchback pricing, it is definitely entry level pricing for a solid AM bike, and it delivers much like a civic. Comparing it to a nomad is fair but I'd call the nomad more of a volkswagen jetta than a civic, there's a lot of them in the used market, but they're not THE AM bike. Specialized is the walmart of mountain biking and trek is the target. However trek hasn't made a comparable AM bike until recently, the slash, so they're out of the running. I'd give the nomination to the Enduro because it is a solid, common bike that makes many people happy. Not only that, its reliable as dirt and delivers endless smiles in the corners like a double wishbone civic does.
  • 11-20-2012
    CabezaShok
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    Ok before everyone keeps answering we need to know a PRICE... Whats the max that your looking to spend on a bike ?

    What type of trails do you ride mostly ?

    What matters the most to you ? Climbing up or going down ?- Pick one

    Then you can get a better idea of bikes :)

    :p.


    -$1000-ish (used, older model)
    -L.A./So-Cal mountains
    -i refuse to "pick one", so 75%downhill 25%climbing....BTW, aren't AM's the "all arounder" of MTB world??

    I'd go with a FS XC bike, but i don't race, so i don't see the big deal if the climbing is a lil' slower. Also, shuttle runs are plentiful here, so leaning towards more DH... having a bike that can do a little of everything is nice and saves space in our apartment;)
  • 11-20-2012
    Mishtar
    Banshee Runes are going pretty cheap these days now that the Rune V2 is coming and if you get an older one they did not all have the bushing issue. Mine was a 2008 and had no issues at all.
  • 11-20-2012
    Luigiugueto
    Heckler, Enduro, Trance or Fuel EX...
  • 11-20-2012
    aedubber
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CabezaShok View Post
    -$1000-ish (used, older model)
    -L.A./So-Cal mountains
    -i refuse to "pick one", so 75%downhill 25%climbing....BTW, aren't AM's the "all arounder" of MTB world??

    I'd go with a FS XC bike, but i don't race, so i don't see the big deal if the climbing is a lil' slower. Also, shuttle runs are plentiful here, so leaning towards more DH... having a bike that can do a little of everything is nice and saves space in our apartment;)


    Ok , i would recommend bumping up your price if you can a bit , maybe wait it out a little bit longer and see if you can step it up to at least 1500-2k . Buddy of mine Just picked up a nice Jamis Bam for 1500 , it comes with a basic BoXXer and Van Shock but thats plenty for a start , but thats a DH bike..

    I would say if most your riding will be shuttling and DH trails then pick something up thats FR friendly .. Low , slack , and like 160-180mm of travel . Best of luck to you !
  • 11-20-2012
    ghost_03
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    First thing to mind before even opening the post....

    Heckler

    Guess I'm not alone in that thought.

    michael

    Same here. Then I opened the post and scrolled down and was most pleased.
  • 11-20-2012
    emptybe_er
    Civic of AM bikes is the Heckler.

    Does this make the Bullit an Accord?

    :confused:
  • 11-20-2012
    ghost_03
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by emptybe_er View Post
    Civic of AM bikes is the Heckler.

    Does this make the Bullit an Accord?

    :confused:

    I'll bite.

    This Honda...


    Must be this MTB...
  • 11-20-2012
    mtnbiker831
    I'm going to agree...heckler is equal to a civic, a nickel to an Accord, and a nomad is a BMW 3 series. We will call a nomad carbon an m3...
  • 11-20-2012
    J:
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CabezaShok View Post
    -$1000-ish (used, older model)
    -L.A./So-Cal mountains
    - 75%downhill
    Also, shuttle runs are plentiful here, so leaning towards more DH...

    Toyota pickup not chitty civic
  • 11-21-2012
    bluechair84
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lazarus2405 View Post
    Santa Cruz is a "botique"? Now I know they aren't one of the "big four", but their bikes aren't hard to find on the used market. A quick search of the local Craigslists (Boston area in my case) showed a Heckler, a Nickel, and four Bullits listed within seven days, with prices ranging from $800 to $1800. With very little effort invested in searching I'd say that's promising at the least.

    If you didn't mean SC, then I'm not sure what you're referring to.

    Yeah, SC, I'd consider them boutique. We might have differing definitions, but they make their bikes more expensive from new by making them in the US (apart fromt he carbon models which I think are made in the far East?). I'm also a bit cynical of brands that are at the forefront of 'depreciating return' - by which I mean, their new carbon V10 at, what, $3500 for the frame alone. Sure it might be the best in the world, but the marginal gains for the price!!
    Anyway, I'm not in the US, but certainly here in the UK, sticking to Treks, Spesh, Giant et al is the best way to get a decent performing frame for the least money.
    Out of curiousity, who do you mean by the big 4?
  • 11-21-2012
    bluechair84
    I've just thought of something else - a Nomad MKii (non carbon) is 1800, or $3000 dollars to us. Maybe you can get them cheaper on your home turf, but that puts it way out of reach of most people here. Considering you can get this well kitted out full bike brand new for 200 less than the cost of the frame alone
    YT Wicked 160
  • 11-21-2012
    scrublover
    If your budget allows, building up a Heckler from one of the new frames would be great. Assuming they have sizing that works for you, and you can stretch your budget a bit/use some parts you have now/save a touch more.

    Otherwise, a used and built up Heckler or Reign, IMO, would work well.

    No crappy bolt on spoiler, Truck Nutz, or shocker sticker. Please.
  • 11-21-2012
    ghost_03
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bluechair84 View Post
    Yeah, SC, I'd consider them boutique.

    Anyway, I'm not in the US, but certainly here in the UK, sticking to Treks, Spesh, Giant et al is the best way to get a decent performing frame for the least money.
    Out of curiousity, who do you mean by the big 4?

    In the US, big 4 means Trek, Spesh, Giant, and Cannondale.

    IMO, boutique would be something like Lenz, Voodoo, and up to maybe Intense and Ellsworth.

    Santa Cruz is more of a mid-size bike vendor, finding itself among brands like Kona and Felt. And while they certainly were made in the US until recently (maybe, 2004?), I think they've shifted all of their production to Taiwan.

    The market I'm sure is different in the UK, just providing my point-of-view FWIW.
  • 11-21-2012
    nauc
    id build this up. its $550 w/rear shock. normally its $1098. they have S,M, L and XL too


    Santa Cruz Bicycles

  • 11-21-2012
    hitechredneck
    Is the heckler 650b friendly?
  • 11-21-2012
    ihaveagibsonsg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Is the heckler 650b friendly?

    It should fit the big hoops. the Blur does and its been a favorite amongst 650b riders.
  • 11-22-2012
    da peach
    Norco Range, Fluid, etc...
    Kona Coilair
    Brodie
    GT
    etc...
  • 11-22-2012
    Spykr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Is the heckler 650b friendly?

    I'm fairly certain it is, but I know for a fact that the Prophet is 650b friendly no problem.
  • 11-23-2012
    da peach
  • 11-23-2012
    emptybe_er
    Rode my "Civic" today; rode my friend's BLTc too... although the differences were noticeable, I don't think I'd grant it (Blur) an Acura label....