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    What's with dropper posts?

    Having got a taste of dropper posts, I don't want to ride without it; I can definitely see the benefit of having one. But they are so ridiculously expensive. Now that would be fine except that they are unreliable and costly to keep on the trails. So if I am looking for one that's reliable, requires infrequent maintenance and comes with a remote, which one should I get? I have a feeling pneumatic ones won't make the cut. Please advise.

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    Just got a Kind Shock E-Ten from Art's Cyclery for $118 with a discount. Riding with it tomorrow but it gets great reviews.

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    The KS LEV and the Rock Shox Reverb are both great...extremely reliable and low maintenance. They are both great, and I have owned both, currently the Reverb. Overall the LEV is better because of the perfect remote, but they both function very well...and are very reliable.

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    Re: What's with dropper posts?

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    I have the KS i900. I've had it for 2 years. No problems at all.

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    I've had a Spec Command Post Blacklite 125mm for over 2 years on a Niner Jet 9. I like it a lot and it would be hard to live without. Bought it at a Spec dealer on-sale for $220. I average about 40 miles/wk most of the year, sometimes much more. Mechanical system and reliable - had it in after 1.5 years for one quick service when it seemed a little slow on the uptake and the dealer charged me $10 to take it apart and clean it up (very dusty trails where I ride), works like new since. They may have put a new seal in also, I can't remember but since it was only $10 maybe not. That's been it on service. I do try to quickly wipe off the dust after I ride and occasionally add a tiny drop of chain lube at the bottom of the post. I did a bunch of research before I bought it with the same requirements that you listed. Although I've never had an infinite adjustment dropper post I like the presets as you know exactly where the seat is which can be helpful in technical terrain. Also at the time I bought it was one of the lightest posts available. Good luck with your search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_mtn View Post
    I've had a Spec Command Post Blacklite 125mm for over 2 years on a Niner Jet 9. I like it a lot and it would be hard to live without. Bought it at a Spec dealer on-sale for $220. I average about 40 miles/wk most of the year, sometimes much more. Mechanical system and reliable - had it in after 1.5 years for one quick service when it seemed a little slow on the uptake and the dealer charged me $10 to take it apart and clean it up (very dusty trails where I ride), works like new since. They may have put a new seal in also, I can't remember but since it was only $10 maybe not. That's been it on service. I do try to quickly wipe off the dust after I ride and occasionally add a tiny drop of chain lube at the bottom of the post. I did a bunch of research before I bought it with the same requirements that you listed. Although I've never had an infinite adjustment dropper post I like the presets as you know exactly where the seat is which can be helpful in technical terrain. Also at the time I bought it was one of the lightest posts available. Good luck with your search.
    I really want to get a CPB since this is going into my Epic Comp but their reviews are average at best. Some in this forum have complained about how the collet is unreliable and Specialized has horrible customer service. The price might not be completely ridiculous but I am in Canada and the LBSs here rip you off every chance they get.

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    The KS Lev has some terrible reviews on here KindShock Lev Dropper Seatpost Reviews - Mtbr.com

    Makes me wonder whether only the ones who have had bad experiences are writing the reviews. But it just means there are that many lemons out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haymarket View Post
    The KS LEV and the Rock Shox Reverb are both great...extremely reliable and low maintenance. They are both great, and I have owned both, currently the Reverb. Overall the LEV is better because of the perfect remote, but they both function very well...and are very reliable.
    If the Reverb Stealth were ~$200 this thread wouldn't exist. But alas.

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    Plenty of good reviews on this dropper.No hydraulics to fail, it is ugly.Mine works flawlessly over two seasons now.Gravity Dropper Turbo LP | GravityDropper

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    The reverb has pretty crummy reviews there too (the stealth only has 1 review). I'd love a dropper, but until they're as reliable as everything else on my bike I'm not buying one.
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    I have a giant contact dropper.....only ridden with it for a while so the jury is out with respect to a long term evaluation, bit it is mechanical and it can be routed stealth.......paid $230 Canadian at the lbs.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatorgrizz27 View Post
    Just got a Kind Shock E-Ten from Art's Cyclery for $118 with a discount. Riding with it tomorrow but it gets great reviews.

    Kind Shock eTen Dropper Post 30.9 385 100mm w/Remote
    I had this post and it worked flawlessly for price, but sure it's heavier.

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    Using a specialized command post now and love it!
    Someday I'd like to get one of those super light 500gram units.

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    The retooled/updated Crank Bro Kronolog has served me well.

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    I have a 2012 Reverb. Its been quite reliable. It requires as much maintenance as a fork. No surprise there. Worth it.

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    Specialized Blacklite for 1 1/2 years with no problems, same for 2 friends with the same post.

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    You get what you pay for with dropper posts.

    I have had the LEV and Reverb. Both are great posts. My reverb hasnt had ANY trouble(after the initial bleed procedure) Bleeding the hose is super easy, but sometimes air gets trapped and what appears to be a perfect bleed will result in bubbles popping out of their hiding places into the line. But no sweat, once its dialled in, its care free riding.

    My LEV has been a different story. It may have been a lemon though. It started sagging 1 inch from full extended on the first ride. I sent it back for service, and after is came back it worked fine for about a month. Then it started sagging again. After speaking with Ron, we determined that the post could be a lemon so we replaced all the internals. After that, its been care free riding for the most part. The O ring on the red cover has broken off from removing and installing the cable so many times for service... It has since been replaced with a zip tie. Also, my LEV quits working around 15 degrees F due to the cable sticking in the housing. Dont know what the reverb does at cold temps...

    I plan to sell the LEV for another Reverb. I am a fan of the hydraulic actuation and Rock Shoxs warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gatorgrizz27 View Post
    Just got a Kind Shock E-Ten from Art's Cyclery for $118 with a discount. Riding with it tomorrow but it gets great reviews.

    Kind Shock eTen Dropper Post 30.9 385 100mm w/Remote
    Is the E10 infinitely adjustable or does it have preset heights?

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    The eten is infinitely adjustable. Have had it since the beginning of the year and raced on it...No probs so far.
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    If you search and are patient, you can find a great deal on a new dropper. I sold a brand new HILO for $150. I purchased a brand new 2013 reverb for 190 on ebay.

    For me, its worth $190 to help keep me from potential of braking bones, teeth, face, etc. when the riding gets hairy.

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    Most sites have decent droppers on sale for 150-250 so buying used may not be worth it sometimes.
    I do have a dropper I bought used and it was said to be like new but it leaks air so it's not new and the seals need replacement. I can't return it so I am stuck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlash View Post
    I really want to get a CPB since this is going into my Epic Comp but their reviews are average at best. Some in this forum have complained about how the collet is unreliable and Specialized has horrible customer service. The price might not be completely ridiculous but I am in Canada and the LBSs here rip you off every chance they get.
    I had the same concerns and read similar reviews before I bought the CPB. The Spec LBSs here have 20% off sales at least 2x/year but if they know you and you have bought other stuff in the past they will give you the discount occasionally if you ask. I decided to go with the simplest, lightest design and lowest investment and hope for the best although I had low expectations. Worked out much better than I expected.

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    A guy posted here recently showing how he replaced his thumb lever for his cable actuated post with a grip shifter on the left side of his 1X bike. I thought that was pretty clever.

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    I've ridden/owned - and like the OP - wont ride without one anymore:

    Older CB Kronolog - worked great for 6 months - than slippage - CB updated under warranty to new specs/post. but had already bought a LEV while it was out. Sold it.

    KS LEV - never got working properly - sticky on return and would many times stop 1 inch from top. Liked the smoothness and cable mounting. but for a $400 dropper - should have worked - even after dealer service. Sold w bike.

    Giant Contact Switch (on the Anthem 29er)... cant say a bad word about it. Has worked flawless since purchase. Dont ride this bike much anymore - but its there if i need. Some minor saddle movement - but dont notice while actually pedaling.

    xfusion hilo remote. Came spec'd w bike. Weight claim is as light as most. has some slight saddle movement - but like the Giant - dont notice while riding. Has worked completely smooth and never an issue. Simply works and works well.

    Overall if "value" is a concern - which it should be - I'd say Xfusion due to weight, smoothness and how it works. I believe cost is also lower than many of the others and comparable to the Giant but much lower weight and 5" drop

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    I have a KindShock Lev 150 mm and have used it for almost a season and it has been flawless.

    I wanted a cheaper alternative for my fatbike, and it had to be 27.2, so I bought a tmars seatpost off ebay and it worked great all winter- and was only about 80 or 90 bucks.....shipping from Israel was about a month.

    I had Joplins in the past, which died. I also have a reverb, and got the lev when the reverb had to go in for service (which took a month).

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    [/QUOTE]Overall if "value" is a concern - which it should be - I'd say Xfusion due to weight, smoothness and how it works. I believe cost is also lower than many of the others and comparable to the Giant but much lower weight and 5" drop[/QUOTE]

    I'm thinking of purchasing this post. Any recommendation on 125mm vs 100mm travel on an xc bike? I'm not a racer so this bike is set up as my all purpose trail bike. I'm thinking 100mm should suffice

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    Overall if "value" is a concern - which it should be - I'd say Xfusion due to weight, smoothness and how it works. I believe cost is also lower than many of the others and comparable to the Giant but much lower weight and 5" drop[/QUOTE]

    I'm thinking of purchasing this post. Any recommendation on 125mm vs 100mm travel on an xc bike? I'm not a racer so this bike is set up as my all purpose trail bike. I'm thinking 100mm should suffice[/QUOTE]



    I too am in the market for a dropper post, I had debated the travel myself, I've come to the conclusion, more travel the better?

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    just get one, you'll love it so much that you'll put up with any brand's reliability BS.

    I got one a month ago or so and after one ride was so floored that I bought another for my 2nd bike. Don't want to ride without one.

    They are worth all the BS so in that sense the choice isn't all that important. For me, I wanted more reliable/simple, didn't see the need for continuous adjustment just wanted to know where it was each time it was up or down, and didn't care about looks. It made GD an easy choice--they are awesome.

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    +1 for Gravity Dropper. Works flawlessly. Simple design.
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    More travel on a drop post is not always better.
    The travel should keep your seat at a comparable to your existing seat height with fixed post.
    Don't get 150mm when 125mm is the correct height.

    Also, the insert depth can be an issue on longer travel posts.
    Especially for internal routing posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail_Blazer View Post
    More travel on a drop post is not always better.
    The travel should keep your seat at a comparable to your existing seat height with fixed post.
    Don't get 150mm when 125mm is the correct height.

    Also, the insert depth can be an issue on longer travel posts.
    Especially for internal routing posts.
    Yes, to expand on that....

    Before I got my dropper I never considered that a seat post could be too long, but remember that you can't sink a dropper down into the seat tube past a certain point, past the collar part.
    So, my dropper is 125, and with it inserted as far down as it can go into the frame, the saddle was still just a touch too high. I fixed it by noticing that some saddles are much lower profile between top and rails, so a got a "thinner" saddle which lowered it just enough to fit me. But I'd be better off with a 100mm drop. People with short legs or riding frames on the tall side will run into this problem.

    I don't usually drop it down all the way anyway. A couple of inches makes a big difference in maneuverability and lowering center of gravity, and still keeps the saddle in a position where you can pinch it with your legs for stability and leverage. 100 mm would be enough drop for me.

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    I need to trade my 150 for a 125 for my frame needs.

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    I have an e-ten which has been largely trouble free. Nothing beyond normal cleaning required after a bit over a year. I thought the 100mm might not be enough and didn't think I cared about infinite adjustment, but still bought it because the price was right.

    Fast forward a year, and I've never wanted or needed more than the 4 inch drop, and I love the infinite adjust. I'll often raise or drop it a 1/4" for the perfect height on a techy trail. Like most converts, I can't imagine riding without a dropper.

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    good info. After measuring the amount of post above my seat tube, i don't thing anything more that 100mm is going to work. So that's what it will have to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Yes, to expand on that....

    Before I got my dropper I never considered that a seat post could be too long, but remember that you can't sink a dropper down into the seat tube past a certain point, past the collar part.
    So, my dropper is 125, and with it inserted as far down as it can go into the frame, the saddle was still just a touch too high. I fixed it by noticing that some saddles are much lower profile between top and rails, so a got a "thinner" saddle which lowered it just enough to fit me. But I'd be better off with a 100mm drop. People with short legs or riding frames on the tall side will run into this problem.

    I don't usually drop it down all the way anyway. A couple of inches makes a big difference in maneuverability and lowering center of gravity, and still keeps the saddle in a position where you can pinch it with your legs for stability and leverage. 100 mm would be enough drop for me.
    Same here. I have a 100mm post on a medium Trek Remedy. I only have 1.25 inches of the seatpost under the top cap showing. If I had a 125mm Reverb, I may be in trouble.

    And anyhow, I don't slam the post down all the way as then, it's too low, below my knee, when I'm standing on the pedals. I like it above the knee so can put pressure on it with my thighs while turning.

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    I've been riding without a dropper for a while now and really thought I would never own one. Now, I am purchasing one. It breaks the flow of my riding when I just shredded down a sweet single track to have it hairpin back up and I have to Stop.................release..............look for lines on post for right ride height...............clamp.......hop back on and start pedaling. Done!! Purchased the new Giant Contact post for my Trance 3 for $ 179.00.............. Sold !!!

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    How well do shims work for models with limited sizes? My seat tube is 31.6

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    I've had the Kronolog and currently run a LEV. The Kronolog worked perfectly for about a year then developed about 1CM of sag. I decided to "upgrade" to a Lev. My first Lev was broken out of the box - It would pop and inch or so back up after being pushed down. I traded it for a new Lev at the shop. First ride was perfect. Second ride it continually got stuck in the down position. Third ride perfect. Last 10 rides it's been nothing but a headache. Sags when it wants to. Goes down on it's own. Sometimes won't go down. I finally emailed KS and I'm waiting to hear back. For this $$$ they should function much better. I live/ride in SO Cal so there's no mud, cold, wet, etc.. just dry and dusty.

    My $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewjones View Post
    How well do shims work for models with limited sizes? My seat tube is 31.6
    Almost all them come in a 31.6 size, but if you needed to shim, it should work fine.

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    Your LBS will likely have years of experience with maintaining and re-building a particular dropper. Mine uses the Reverb and they have seen every problem and will fix it as quickly as humanly possible - and lots of spare parts kicking around. So I got a Reverb from them and have been very happy thus far.

    Something to think about, whether you buy from them or no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewjones View Post
    How well do shims work for models with limited sizes? My seat tube is 31.6
    I boguth 2 GDs at 27.2, despite both bikes being 30.9,and I use shims on each--no problems. I wanted 27.2 so I'd have the option of using the GDs on future frames that could have different size seat tubes. 27.2 with a shim gives you more options down the road.

    I also use a slasa lip-lock collar on each bike. Imo, it can be cranked down as much as you need to prevent slippage. I asked GD in advance and they confirmed that cranking the collar down around the post is not a problem at all.

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    Re: What's with dropper posts?

    Almost bought the xfusion hilo last night on pricepoint. But I figured ill wait and see if I can find a good deal on a reverb first. Plus my Thomson elite post is pretty sweet already.......

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    I have a Reverb Stealth on my Spitfire and just picked up a LEV 27.2 for my hardtail. This isn't my first Reverb, and my last one failed actually, but I like SRAM's customer service and like the action of the Reverb when its working. This new one has been trouble free, though it does sound a bit "dry", like it's a bit short on oil from the factory. The LEV on my hardtail has only seen one ride, but I can say that I do like it so far - very smooth operation. It did get "stuck" about an inch from the top of the stroke a couple of times, but knocked that off further into the ride.
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    Ordered up a reverb last night, 100mm travel as I'm not a very tall guy. This will be my first dropper! Wanted one for awhile just never pulled the trigger until now!

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    Eh, never even tried one. I rode for many years without a seatpost quick release, seat at full XC height. If you can't get behind the seat on technical sections, your pants are too baggy. If I'm going to be riding rolling technical terrain, I'll just drop the seat and climb standing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Eh, never even tried one. I rode for many years without a seatpost quick release, seat at full XC height. If you can't get behind the seat on technical sections, your pants are too baggy. If I'm going to be riding rolling technical terrain, I'll just drop the seat and climb standing up.
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    so the Gravity looks like it has a piece where the cable connects to the post that might prevent how low the post can go into the seat tube. Any issues with this? im currently using less than 6" of seatpost at full extension (save the jokes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlash View Post
    Having got a taste of dropper posts, I don't want to ride without it; I can definitely see the benefit of having one. But they are so ridiculously expensive. Now that would be fine except that they are unreliable and costly to keep on the trails. So if I am looking for one that's reliable, requires infrequent maintenance and comes with a remote, which one should I get? I have a feeling pneumatic ones won't make the cut. Please advise.
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    I suspect most people who've had problems with their dropper have lifted the bike by a lowered post. Don't do it. Ever. Even if your model says it's okay.
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    Re: What's with dropper posts?

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    That thing is $325 lol and ugly!

    Well its ugly but it sure looks like it works good!

    Btw it's $280 on pricepoint for the turbo lp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    I suspect most people who've had problems with their dropper have lifted the bike by a lowered post. Don't do it. Ever. Even if your model says it's okay.
    Haha yes. Did that the first day I got the Reverb - a bunch of times, I always lifted by my fixed seat post. Seat got stuck and learned to bleed the lines the next day.

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    I have a Reverb for my second year and I love it.

    I had some issue with it and it was easy to fix... air coming in, it's not good with an hydraulic setup: no pressure, so slow to come up when the oil is thicker.

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    Has anyone tried the Vecnum Moveloc? Is it even available in the USA yet?

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    Add me to the list of pretty happy Reverb owners. I have been running with one for three years now (circa 2011) and the only complaint I have is that when temps get around 35 degrees F or lower the post becomes slow to unresponsive when rising back up. In temps around 25 F don't even bother using it.

    Other than that I have had to bleed the lines once and replace the oil once. All this for roughly 1,500 US miles of riding.

    Oh, and I now run the remote under my handle bar instead of over (so that the push button is under the handle bar). This because during one particularly hard crash the push button up over the top of the bar was the first bike part that took the brunt of the crash and broke. My fault, not RockShox.

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    Don't get Giant Contact Switch if you were to ride in wet/semi wet condition. the internal damper is fully machine sealed and it's not serviceable.

    The dust wiper is bad, mud and crap got into the shaft easily even a few rides after serviced. The seat angle doesn't hold well. hit it too hard it will slip. common issues for Giant dropper.

    Heard they made it better for the latest model, black stanchion ones.

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    Just to answer his original question as to why they are so expensive: They are intended for use on MTBs and therefor cost twice as much as they should. Same for all things that can be fitted onto a bike (beside a shopping basket that is).

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    Putting it in perspective, for all the technology you get in a dropper, the price isn't too terrible, considering a non-dropper seat post can cost over 100 bucks, and all that is, is a piece of tubing with a clamp on top. If it was sold in the plumbing supply section of Home Depot, they would cost about 6 bucks!

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    Also happy with my Spec Command Post Blacklite, only BIG flaw is seat tilting.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike_mtn View Post
    I've had a Spec Command Post Blacklite 125mm for over 2 years on a Niner Jet 9. I like it a lot and it would be hard to live without. Bought it at a Spec dealer on-sale for $220. I average about 40 miles/wk most of the year, sometimes much more. Mechanical system and reliable - had it in after 1.5 years for one quick service when it seemed a little slow on the uptake and the dealer charged me $10 to take it apart and clean it up (very dusty trails where I ride), works like new since. They may have put a new seal in also, I can't remember but since it was only $10 maybe not. That's been it on service. I do try to quickly wipe off the dust after I ride and occasionally add a tiny drop of chain lube at the bottom of the post. I did a bunch of research before I bought it with the same requirements that you listed. Although I've never had an infinite adjustment dropper post I like the presets as you know exactly where the seat is which can be helpful in technical terrain. Also at the time I bought it was one of the lightest posts available. Good luck with your search.

    I'm also happy with my Spec CP Blacklite performance ....would be perfect if it wasn't for seat tilting. I have tried overtorquing the holding screw (using a second one now... broke the original) and used carbon fiber paste on the red cone parts that hold the seat, but it still tilts sometimes; especially while seating more to the front on climbs and/or a little backwards... very annoying.
    How have you solved that? ....any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avigilg View Post
    I'm also happy with my Spec CP Blacklite performance ....would be perfect if it wasn't for seat tilting. I have tried overtorquing the holding screw (using a second one now... broke the original) and used carbon fiber paste on the red cone parts that hold the seat, but it still tilts sometimes; especially while seating more to the front on climbs and/or a little backwards... very annoying.
    How have you solved that? ....any suggestions?
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    What brand? (I use Finish Line)

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    Quote Originally Posted by avigilg View Post
    I'm also happy with my Spec CP Blacklite performance ....would be perfect if it wasn't for seat tilting. I have tried overtorquing the holding screw (using a second one now... broke the original) and used carbon fiber paste on the red cone parts that hold the seat, but it still tilts sometimes; especially while seating more to the front on climbs and/or a little backwards... very annoying.
    How have you solved that? ....any suggestions?
    I have not noticed a seat tilting issue on my Spec CPB (yet!) and I put a considerable amount of pressure on the nose of my saddle during steep climbs. Yours may be defective, can your dealer help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_mtn View Post
    I have not noticed a seat tilting issue on my Spec CPB (yet!) and I put a considerable amount of pressure on the nose of my saddle during steep climbs. Yours may be defective, can your dealer help?

    Actually dealer broke original screw, replaced it with a steel one to be able to tighten it more. ....Wonder why Spec's designers didn't at least put some dents on the round holding parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlash View Post
    Having got a taste of dropper posts, I don't want to ride without it; I can definitely see the benefit of having one. But they are so ridiculously expensive. Now that would be fine except that they are unreliable and costly to keep on the trails. So if I am looking for one that's reliable, requires infrequent maintenance and comes with a remote, which one should I get? I have a feeling pneumatic ones won't make the cut. Please advise.
    Gravity Dropper Classic is one of the lightest, one of the less expensive, and NO post out there has a longer track record of reliability. None are even close. Mine is into it's 8th year. It has outlasted most other parts on my bike, and is very low maintenance. And it always works. The fact that people are considering one year with no issues to be something impressive just goes to show how low the bar is for most posts.
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    What brand? (I use Finish Line)
    No idea, LBS gave it to me free when I asked. It was red and very gritty.
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    I don't understand why anybody would spend that much money on a dropper post and get one with travel of less than 100mm. I find that 125mm is the minimum I will go. When going downhill on a purebred cross country bike (I have an Epic Comp), that lowered center of gravity is the only thing I can adjust on the fly to give me more stability.

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    Gravity dropper may be cheaper than some and simple, and easy to repair, but it is still very expensive. The TMARS is a bargain priced alternative that I have had zero problems with. It is basically a knockoff of the gravity dropper, except that it uses a spring instead of a magnet for the pin engagement. I have probably 40 rides on it on my fatbike with no problems except for an occasional twist of the inline barrel adjuster, which can be done with no tools without stepping off the bike.

    My experience is a small sample size obviously, but it certainly seems like an alternative that just works for a minimal investment of 80 bucks. I do have a Lev on my other bike and prefer the function of it - but it is worth 4-5 times as much and if it breaks I can't repair it myself.

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    The main complaint I have with these posts is not price, but reliability. If it is going to leave me left in the woods in the middle of a 4 hour epic, it is going in the trash.

    I trust that Tmars post next to zero.


    I cannot stress how great the Gravity Dropper is. I have had personal experience (owned or ridden) the following posts.

    1) X-fusion HILO. Got for around $200 a long time ago (1st gen). It was actually pretty great for the price, but ultimately failed after roughly 8-10 months (seals blew). I could fix it at home with a very simple rebuild and new seals, customer service is great, BUT it left me in the woods twice. Retired to the back-up parts bin.

    2) Gravity Dropper Turbo. On year two right now. Have greased it one time, and replaced the cable once. I use my old rear derailleur cables cut short and soldered at the tip, so that was free. I have about 100ft of cable housing. Total time/$ invested in 1.5 years = $10 (max) and an hour of time. BY FAR THE BEST OF THE BUNCH.

    3) 2 of my buddies have LEVs. Both have been back to KS at least once, and my buddy has started a rather epic repair thread in these forums due to the sheer amount of times his post has failed. He basically always has someones LEV in his shop. They work the best, but they aren't exactly reliable.

    4) Reverb. 1 buddy. Back for repairs twice in less than 1 year.

    That is all I have experiences with.

    My favorite quote about the admittedly hideous gravity dropper (stolen): "the LEV/Reverb/DOSS sure does look good with a return label slapped on it"
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    What's with dropper posts?

    For LEV and other KS droppers along with the Reverb: these posts will not leave you stranded in the woods, you just lose the ability to use the post. The Reverb comes with a silver collar that can prevent post movement. It is also sold separately and also works on the KS posts. If you blow a seal while out on the trail, simply raise the post to max height (or some other height at least a couple of inches above the main collar) then put the rockshox silver collar around the stanchion and butt it up against the main collar. Tighten it down. The post won't move and you can continue with your ride.

    The silver collar is small and not heavy so I stuff it in my hydration pack. It takes 2 minutes to do a field fix on one of these posts so you can continue riding. It doesn't fix the fact that a seal has blown, but you won't be left with that "oh crap" feeling wondering how you are going to do the next 5-10 miles with a saddle slammed all the way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn View Post
    I have a giant contact dropper.....only ridden with it for a while so the jury is out with respect to a long term evaluation, bit it is mechanical and it can be routed stealth.......paid $230 Canadian at the lbs.......
    Same here, picked one up from a guy on the local forum last year, new take-off for $125, been great for the past season. Not the lightest but perfect for what I needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laterilus View Post
    For LEV and other KS droppers along with the Reverb: these posts will not leave you stranded in the woods, you just lose the ability to use the post. The Reverb comes with a silver collar that can prevent post movement. It is also sold separately and also works on the KS posts. If you blow a seal while out on the trail, simply raise the post to max height (or some other height at least a couple of inches above the main collar) then put the rockshox silver collar around the stanchion and butt it up against the main collar. Tighten it down. The post won't move and you can continue with your ride.

    The silver collar is small and not heavy so I stuff it in my hydration pack. It takes 2 minutes to do a field fix on one of these posts so you can continue riding. It doesn't fix the fact that a seal has blown, but you won't be left with that "oh crap" feeling wondering how you are going to do the next 5-10 miles with a saddle slammed all the way down.
    I appreciate the comment, and that does make me hate these posts less.

    But still, the fact that the post comes with this in the box is not instilling a lot of faith in reliability. It is basically like they are saying "This post is going to fail you, here is this thing to turn it into a regular seat post when this happens."

    It gives me a slight LOL.
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    My reverb didn't come with one of those collars, but I want one!

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    Hah, this thread makes me laugh... Well the first page does. That's all I had patience to read.

    I get the whole thing about wanting a good looking bike and everything. Shite, I just dropped $30 for the blue color kit for my KS i950. BUT, my Gravity dropper is the freaking bomb as far as functionality and durability.

    I'd bet my nut sack that if they didn't have that ugly rubber boot on them they'd be the only recommended dropper post on this site.

    Get over the aesthetics of them and buy a GD. none of the other dropper posts I've owned or ridden, almost all of them, come close to the GD reliability and durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey View Post
    The main complaint I have with these posts is not price, but reliability. If it is going to leave me left in the woods in the middle of a 4 hour epic, it is going in the trash.

    I trust that Tmars post next to zero.


    I cannot stress how great the Gravity Dropper is. I have had personal experience (owned or ridden) the following posts.

    1) X-fusion HILO. Got for around $200 a long time ago (1st gen). It was actually pretty great for the price, but ultimately failed after roughly 8-10 months (seals blew). I could fix it at home with a very simple rebuild and new seals, customer service is great, BUT it left me in the woods twice. Retired to the back-up parts bin.

    2) Gravity Dropper Turbo. On year two right now. Have greased it one time, and replaced the cable once. I use my old rear derailleur cables cut short and soldered at the tip, so that was free. I have about 100ft of cable housing. Total time/$ invested in 1.5 years = $10 (max) and an hour of time. BY FAR THE BEST OF THE BUNCH.

    3) 2 of my buddies have LEVs. Both have been back to KS at least once, and my buddy has started a rather epic repair thread in these forums due to the sheer amount of times his post has failed. He basically always has someones LEV in his shop. They work the best, but they aren't exactly reliable.

    4) Reverb. 1 buddy. Back for repairs twice in less than 1 year.

    That is all I have experiences with.

    My favorite quote about the admittedly hideous gravity dropper (stolen): "the LEV/Reverb/DOSS sure does look good with a return label slapped on it"
    I'm not sure if you have some experience with the Tmars post, or if you just don't trust it because it is cheap. I mention mine because the thread topic was about someone who would like to see a significantly cheaper alternative - which is what the Tmars represents and the gravity dropper does not.

    Personally I have had very good results with the lev, as have my riding buddies who have them. My lbs has also had none of them returned with issues. I do use the full range of travel - and micro adjust the seat height so I much prefer the functionality to a gravity dropper type of post. Many people don't find that important, but I do.

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    Dang, if someone could make a reliable dropper, they could make millions. It doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Dang, if someone could make a reliable dropper, they could make millions. It doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.
    Someone already has.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Dang, if someone could make a reliable dropper, they could make millions. It doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.
    There are several very reliable posts available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Dang, if someone could make a reliable dropper, they could make millions. It doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.
    Every time a thread comes up talking about dropper post reliability, a bunch of GD owners pipe up and mention how incredibly reliable theirs have been.

    Mine's been running 6-7 years, greased it twice, and still works fine.
    Since when did the phrase "invest in" come to mean the same as "buy"?

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    There's something very aesthetically unpleasing about their droppers. And, I'm not really sure I want a Turbo Unit on my dropper.

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    I don't think the rubber boot is that ugly, actually.
    And I bet it could be replaced with a Lizard Skins boot that might be a little less noticeable.

    On the other hand, I don't think any of the Gravity Droppers are infinitely adjustable, and that's not good, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    There's something very aesthetically unpleasing about their droppers. And, I'm not really sure I want a Turbo Unit on my dropper.
    Anyone who passes on a GD due to aesthetic concerns needs to just STFU about lack of reliable options.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    ^Not enough travel or infinite stops and a big clumsy remote. That's the real reason GD doesn't rule the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I don't think the rubber boot is that ugly, actually.
    And I bet it could be replaced with a Lizard Skins boot that might be a little less noticeable.

    On the other hand, I don't think any of the Gravity Droppers are infinitely adjustable, and that's not good, IMO.
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    ^Not enough travel or infinite stops and a big clumsy remote. That's the real reason GD doesn't rule the market.
    All very good points. Actually bad points!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post
    Anyone who passes on a GD due to aesthetic concerns needs to just STFU about lack of reliable options.
    Im sorry if I don't want to put something, that is in my opinion, butt ugly, and doesn't have the features I want, on my otherwise very nice looking bike. It's not like I can shave it's ass and make it walk backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    ^Not enough travel or infinite stops and a big clumsy remote. That's the real reason GD doesn't rule the market.
    And every one I've seen has some significant play, I can't stand play. My command post has almost none, better than most I've tried in this respect. Doesn't the GD also require some weird up/down weighting to make it work right too? I forget...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    All very good points. Actually bad points!
    Good points until you actually use it and realize they are good selling points, but don't really matter much in terms of functionality. Yes I have used posts with slicker remotes and infinite adjust. It's pretty much up or down. Sometimes just a little down. Pretty much what the GD offers.

    Same with the play (which is pretty small, actually). I defy anyone to tell the difference when riding in a blind test.

    Whatever, different strokes. If these trivial marketing aspects make a reliable, light and relatively cheap post a no-go, then here are plenty of more expensive crapshooters out there to buy and complain about the price and/or weight, and/or reliability. Just don't complain about the unreliability/cost of all the dropper posts because you got sucked into thinking you need a buch of marginal features.
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    Anyone who passes on a GD due to aesthetic concerns needs to just STFU about lack of reliable options.
    Yep.

    And "infinite adjustability" is another one of those BS marketing terms that riders seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

    We're talking maybe a max of 5" of adjustability on a dropper post. You'd have to be Greek philosopher to seriously think that any of those other posts are infinitely adjustable.

    The GD is limited to 3 positions, which I don't find much of a problem. It does require tapping the saddle to initiate a drop/return, which is a little more complex than newer posts, but the tradeoff is incredible reliability.

    It's certainly not pretty, so it's not for anyone who is more concerned about having a pretty bike than a reliable post.
    Since when did the phrase "invest in" come to mean the same as "buy"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post

    Same with the play (which is pretty small, actually). I defy anyone to tell the difference when riding in a blind test.
    That's the biggest thing I can tell when riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Im sorry if I don't want to put something, that is in my opinion, butt ugly, and doesn't have the features I want, on my otherwise very nice looking bike. It's not like I can shave it's ass and make it walk backwards.
    So what are you using instead?
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    I realize that if you use a 4" dropper post with 3 settings that it seems sufficient but I definitely prefer a 6" post with infinite positions. I used to own a 3" Joplin and currently own 5" KS 900, Reverb, and Command Posts, and two 6" LEVs. The only one that's acted weird and needed attention was the Joplin. Since all the others haven't had any issues mechanical simplicity doesn't figure into my preference. I do like light weight but take features over that in the selection of this particular component. I think the Command Post is the lightest of my group.

    At a leggy 6'2" the 5" drop posts don't fully cover the range I like for trail riding. On my rigid bike I just accept that the seat is still in the way a little and on my DH bike in trail spec (and my trail bikes when they used to have 5" posts) I use a QR to drop it more when needed. The 6" posts do cover my range for trail riding and I only have to further lower the seat for steep BMX style dirt jumps. The 3 position Command Post works adequately but after being used to the infinite stops on my other posts I find myself wishing I could place it in a 1" raised and a halfway raised position. It has a place in my line-up because it has an offset head with infinite tilt so it can be placed backward on my DH bike to steepen the ST angle for trail rides.

    Of the various remotes I've used I prefer the Reverb with the KS a close second. They are easy to reach and actuate and the Reverb has a great tactility that allows me to raise or lower the seat small increments or slowly. When you use the remote as often as I do its feel is an important point.

    While I don't really care about aesthetics I do appreciate the easier cable routing and avoiding interference afforded by the LEV and Stealth style Reverbs, Command Posts, and LEVs. The GD Turbo kind of pulls that off but the cable leaves the post in an awkward place unless on your setup that happens to be just above the seatposts clamp.

    There you have it: My experiences and preferences from 7 years of owning most of the dropper posts. Have I been lucky to not experience a problem with multiple Reverbs and KSs? Maybe, but I also NEVER lift the bike by a lowered seat and don't ride excessively in mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey View Post
    I appreciate the comment, and that does make me hate these posts less.

    But still, the fact that the post comes with this in the box is not instilling a lot of faith in reliability. It is basically like they are saying "This post is going to fail you, here is this thing to turn it into a regular seat post when this happens."

    It gives me a slight LOL.
    Actually, SRAM originally included that collar for limiting how far the post would drop. I don't know why, but that was the original intent. Many Reverb owners just took it the extra step and turned it into the 'save you in case of' part.

    I still understand your point. It would be preferred if these posts were a bit more reliable. However, the original question at hand was that the Reverb would leave you high and dry if a seal blew out on the trail. Technically speaking, that isn't 100% true. You can get out of the woods using this part.

    I've treated the Reverb like a suspension component. It just needs regular maintenance. I'm good with that. If I rebuild my Reverb every 3-4 months, I don't end up in a world of hurt in the woods. I buy all the o-rings online after I measured them so they are super cheap. I just prefer the hydraulic posts to the ones where you have set drop points. I don't like having to click in the post at a certain point. If I miss the click in spot, the saddle is coming right back up and usually with some bad consequences. Usually, I just need to drop my post a few inches to get it out of the way. That may be 3.5 inches, or 3.7 or 3.1. It doesn't matter; just as long as it is far enough. What I do know is that when I let go of the button the post will stop. I don't have to worry about it flying back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    My reverb didn't come with one of those collars, but I want one!
    Smilinsteve, here is the part I am talking about:
    Amazon.com : RockShox Reverb Enduro Height Seatpost Collar - Silver : Bike Seat Clamps : Sports & Outdoors

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta View Post
    So what are you using instead?
    Thomson Masterpiece. That's why I'm here. Im trying to decide which unreliable and/or featureless dropper to put on my bike. I do know that I want infinite adjustability. I'll probably go with a Thomson.

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    150mm infinite position drop is the way to go. It just changes your riding that much more. So intuitive out on the trail. Finding that middle position on the preset posts (command and gravity dropper) was always such a pain in the arse. I will never go back.

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    Re: What's with dropper posts?

    The GD post is ugly. But it will be going on my bike. The thing works! Who cares what it looks like!

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    I am a GD owner, maybe 2 months, love it. But I am sure I'd love all of the other posts while they are working, too.

    There are some valid points raised above about the weaknesses of the GD, e.g., lack of continuous height adjustability, the lever is a bit awkward, and the cable out the rear, and the appearance. Those are enough to turn people off, if it were all just reliability, that mattered to people then the GD would be dominating the market.

    I ride with 9" exposed seatpost in normal position, dropping 5" on my GD gets me everything I need. If I have to get lower than those last 4", I am going behind the seat anyway. In any event, other riders legitmately want/need more adjustment or may want it to stop short. That's just good product differentiation across companies. The GD isn't for everyone, but I lvoe it sof ar and it fits my needs. Just like I ruled out other product because of seals, air, hydraulics, others legitmately rule out the GD because they need more adjustability at the very least.

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    forgot to end the above with--decide what is most important to you in a dropper post-- then do your homework on the brands.

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