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    What trail wheelset have you all been buying?

    I'm in the market for a trail wheelset that can take some riding with the dew.

    I had my heart set on the Sun Ringle Charger Pro's, but I keep seeing reports of the rear axle adapters causes perceptible play and flex. Thats a deal breaker.

    What would you recommend? My limitations are as follows:

    - Up to $ 500.00 for the set
    - Below 1800 grams (many choices between 1900 and 2100)
    - preferably has a front axle adapter between qr, 15 and 20 mm.
    - ghetto and real tubeless compatible
    - good reputation for staying true and being reliable
    - preferably doesnt have a very low spoke count, 28 min.

    Thanks!

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    Hope Pro + Mavic ex819

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban View Post
    Hope Pro + Mavic ex819
    Over budget. I priced it out, over 600.

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    Hope Hoops from Wiggle.co.uk seems to be the best deal and a bombproof wheelset too. I previously ordered my current wheelset from them last year on the cheap as well, Hope Pro II / Mavic EX721. Arrived in last than a week and did not pay any customs as well.

    If I was buying today, I would get:

    Hope Pro II Evo hubs on ZTR Flow rims, $267.50 rear, $144.50 front.

    Comes out to $374.00 with free shipping to the USA if you order by Sept.27 and use code 20OFF_EVERY to get 20% off.

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    sorry wrong thread, delete
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    Quote Originally Posted by bing! View Post
    .....I had my heart set on the Sun Ringle Charger Pro's, but I keep seeing reports of the rear axle adapters causes perceptible play and flex......

    Thanks!
    I was also considering the Charger Pro wheels...where did you read the reports about flex problems with the rear axle adapters?

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    Hope 2's laced to mavic EN521 with champion (whichever are 14-15g double butted) spokes and pro lock nipples... Punished this setup in the rediculously rocky Northeast and haven't heard a peep from 'em..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzywater View Post
    I was also considering the Charger Pro wheels...where did you read the reports about flex problems with the rear axle adapters?
    dont have everything on hand, but here are a few reviews that are easy to get a hold of.

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    mtbr reviews...

    "they are a bit flexy. Best felt when bombing downhill which is not so reassuring when blasting high speed. So with the flex involved i would say they are more XC oriented than AM. If they were on sale they would be worth purchasing. "

    "The included end caps for the front fork give it alot of flexibility. I have a little play that won't go away in the rear hub. A local bike shop claims it is causing shifting issues (they put cass on other wheelsets and no problems). Also a tad bit flexy in the rear."

    BikeRadar verdict
    2 out of 5 stars
    "Light, stiff, lively and tubeless-ready wheelset. Freehub bearings fail longevity tests"

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    If you can find any of the higher-level Bontrager Rhythm wheels, they're pretty stellar. I bought a used 07 Remedy that had been THRASHED on. Frame broke, got 2010 Remedy frame. 07 Fox 36 died, replaced with a Revelation. Of the original bike I still have the saddle, a headset spacer, brakes, and the Rhythm Elite wheelset.

    They've been abused by whips off every little jump I can find on our local trails, a weeklong trip to Fruita and Moab, and even a day of downhill at Plattekill. I've torn apart and rebuilt them once, still have the original bearings. Stiff, relatively light, can be run tubeless. Totally winning wheelset.
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    Hope Pro 2 EVOs laced to Flows - 32 spokes/wheel, Wheelsmith DB14, alloy nipples.

    Nothing I have thrown at it so far has done anything.

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    You got.some good advice with the Hope/flow recommendation from wiggle. Another option is to hunt down a deal on the hubs and rims that you want and have a local builder spin up a set.

    I have a set of Spank Oozey evos laced. to a WTB front and XT rear. awesome wheelsets. also have a front wheel from wiggle, hope on flow. seems to be built well and is a beefy wheel. for the price, the XT centerlock rear hub is hard to beat. you can find a deal on them and a nice rim of your choice and have a wheel built for $200. I like the XT rear hub over hope for the added POE, 36.

    I've had some killer deals from Outsideoutfitters.com, Flows for cheapest price online and the Oozey's were only $65 from them. The Spanks can be run tubeless with Stan's tape and a valve. Mine are holding up tubeless very well. I highly recommend them.

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    Check out universal cycles web site. They have a wheel builder tool that let's you build your own wheels. I would price out a decent rear hub and a lower cost front. There are not many differences in a 20mm front hub. You can cut cost here. They also have rims that they blow out from time to time, another cost cutter.

    I have built four wheel sets with these guys. You get great quality. It's worth a look.


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    I haven't tried them yet but my LBS owner swears by the Stan's Flow wheels. He said he can get a set for me for around $500 (I have seen them online for @$500 as well but only with 20mm front and QR rear). According to him they are easy to convert to other axles which is a must for me. I have the 12mm maxle rear and I will be switching between a 15mm and 20mm front. I will be ordering a set soon.

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    hope pro 2/ ringle equalizer 31s- 390 from CRC.

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    Pro 2 hubs on flow rims here, I'm 200lbs without gear and like to bomb rocky descents, plus jump a bit, theme have been bomb proof for me over 2 years, I also converted the rear to 10 mm through bolt (using a dt rws axle), very easy and even easier if you buy the bearing tool set.

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    Pro 2's on Mavic 521s for one wheel set, no complaints at all.

    Pro 2 Evo's on NS Trailmasters for the other bike, not ridden them yet, we'll see.

    Rims are a matter of taste, but for mid priced hubs Pro 2 Evos are the best out there right now.

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    Wiggle UK seems to offer the Hope/Flow combo at a price in my budget. Going to fill my cart

    Thanks guys!

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    You won't be disappointed. Although I am after contacting Wiggle last night since they are not offering this combo in a Flow 29er wheelset and the cheapest I've seen is $570+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bing! View Post
    Wiggle UK seems to offer the Hope/Flow combo at a price in my budget. Going to fill my cart

    Thanks guys!
    Keep us posted when you get them . . . . I'm also in the market for a new wheelset and for under $400 shipped with a set of Hope Pro II's?! Well that ain't bad at all.

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    Just a heads up...I got Hope Hoops Flow wheels for my 29er and the rim strips weren't included. I went Gorilla tape method & its been fine.
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    I was dissapointed at how easily I managed to flatspot a Flow, never had that with similar weight Mavic or DT rims. On the other hand you get a nicer tire profile on the Flow's so lose something / win something.

    Went back to DT on my lighter wheelset and ex823 on the heavier one. Waiting to get to try the new e13 rims when they are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Just a heads up...I got Hope Hoops Flow wheels for my 29er and the rim strips weren't included. I went Gorilla tape method & its been fine.
    Rim strips are not included because they are not needed. Yellow tape, however, would have been nice to be installed instead of the standard cloth rim tape.

    I'm running mine with gorilla tape as well. The flow is a hard rim to get aired up with a hand pump. Make sure to use a tire lever to set the bead on the rim before trying to pump for the first time.

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    A little late to the thread (damn OP pulled the trigger quick!)...but I've been really, really pleased with my Easton Havocs. Learned to jump over the last 3 years with them and, despite my lack of grace, they have held up amazingly. Only had to true them a couple times, and even then they weren't that off. Rarely ever pinch flat even running 28psi. Lots of setup options for the front axle, and the rear has a bolt-on kit available too.

    BikeBling has been blowing out 2009 Havocs for $319 a pair!
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    thanks for the wiggle link!!! wow, i've been wanting those wheels for a long time, great price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinhot996 View Post
    thanks for the wiggle link!!! wow, i've been wanting those wheels for a long time, great price!
    And that 20% off coupon has been extended for a little longer, just received that in a Wiggle email this morning. If only they offered these in a 29er Flow combo.
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    I have used the Flow/Pro2 hope hoops set for a season and they have been fantastic. I broke one spoke and replaced it, otherwise I havent had to touch them. I agree with the previous poster about flatspotting, since I have acquired one on my back wheel, but otherwise I have no complaints.

    Don't get the Sun chargers...I have a buddy who has destroyed 3 of those freehubs in less than a years worth of total riding time. Its not fun to blow out your pawls when you are way out there in the woods. Get a good hub, period.

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    Mavic ex729 front and rear.
    Atomlab pimp rear hub, 10mm thru-axle.
    Halo 20mm Spin Doctor front hub.
    Generic SS spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    A little late to the thread (damn OP pulled the trigger quick!)...but I've been really, really pleased with my Easton Havocs. Learned to jump over the last 3 years with them and, despite my lack of grace, they have held up amazingly. Only had to true them a couple times, and even then they weren't that off. Rarely ever pinch flat even running 28psi. Lots of setup options for the front axle, and the rear has a bolt-on kit available too.

    BikeBling has been blowing out 2009 Havocs for $319 a pair!
    Price Point has the 2010's for the same price! AMAZING DEAL!

    Easton AM Havoc Wheelset 2010 at Price Point

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    Does anyone know if the Easton havoc rear wheel can be converted to a 12mm x 142?

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    So I think I'm going to follow along and try to grab a set of the Hope Pro2's with the Stan's wheels from Wiggle. It's amazing they are so much cheaper than getting them from Stan's or anywhere else that I've looked. I'm really excited about getting a new set of wheels with better hubs than a used set I was looking at for only $70 more.

    I could use some help though. 1st I can't really decide which of the Stan's to go with, either the Crests or the Flows. I know the Flows are bigger, stronger heavier and are designed for the AM crowd here but..... I'm having second thoughts. My bike is AM because it's all I've got. Got to do the ups and the downs here in the mountain of NC. However I'm a pretty small guy, 165 and I don't spend any time in the air (right now) unless I've done something wrong. My rides are pretty rocky though. What do you guys think? 1 wheel set's got to do it all. I'd like the weight savings of the Crests but don't want to be too weak down the road.

    Also Wiggle says 2-7 days to dispatch on these, out of stock. For those of you that have recently ordered what has your experience been? Are they really back ordered and may take weeks to get in then 2-7 days to send out or are they probably building them and it just takes that long to finish and ship? I've got an email in to Wiggle but wanted to see what other's have experienced.

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    For the sake of future-proofing, I recommend the Flows. And they are not that much heavier, as far as I am concerned (I know I have more weight to lose than any wheels I get ).

    As for their claimed turn-around. It is pretty accurate. I have placed two orders with them in the last month, with some of the items from both orders going to back-order. Both back-orders were dispatched within the 2-7 day window.

    Wiggle are good.

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    Wiggle was out of the Flows when I went to order them. Instead of placing an order, I requested to be notified when they arrived. Got a notice about a week later.

    The nice thing is that I had the wheels at my door within 5 days of being shipped. I live in the ATL area so maybe an extra day for you depending on where you live in NC. I would definitely buy from Wiggle again. Oh, BTW, 2 days after i placed my order the wheels went up about $60 a set. Not sure if it was a sale that expired or if it was just the exchange rate that changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Not sure if it was a sale that expired or if it was just the exchange rate that changed.
    I am guessing exchange rate. The prices have been somewhat volatile here too...

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    between the wiggle hope/flow deal and the easton havoc deal

    Which wheelset would be lighter?
    Which rear hub would engage more quickly like a king hub?

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    I think they are within 100 to 150 grams of each other with the Hopes being lighter. You'd be better off looking at Google for the weight for the hopes/flows to be sure though.

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    The real weight of the Havocs has generally been quite a bit higher then the listed one. Google will probably be able to help you figure out what it really is. Hope on the other hand generally lists very realistic weights.

    - Havocs might be a bit stronger
    - Hope will be lighter
    - Hope will be built with standard parts, so any LBS can fix a broken spoke
    - Hope axle conversions are quite a bit cheaper and just about any combination is possible, this means you will have less problems if you change your frame / fork and need a different axle

    Both are regarded as good wheels.

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    What additional stuff do I need to order if I order the Stan's from Wiggle if I want to go tubeless? I've seen here they don't come with the yellow tape so I planning to order that. I know I'll need some sealant so I'm ordering that too. But do I also need to order the valve stems too or are those installed? Anything else that I need or that you'd recommend?

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    Just in case anybody's looking the Hope wheelsets are back in stock at Wiggle today. Just ordered a set in the Stan's Flow rims. Went ahead and ordered all the stuff to mount up tubeless. The stems are backordered until "early October" whatever that means. If they don't get here any time soon I'll just pick some up locally and cancel the stems from Wiggle. I'm excited about the purchase but $400 + sure did hurt. Even though that's still cheaper than the rear directly from Stan's with a Hope hub. Hope I made the right decision with the heavier wheel. Looks like only 1/2 lb difference from the Crests.

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