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    Upgrade to Transition Covert?

    I currently own a 2010 Specialized stumpjumper fsr expert.

    After riding with it for a year i have noticed that i ride more downhill and that i would like more travel. Also the Fox Triad shock has play and it will cost me at least 150 euros to repair. ( But it Works. )

    Is Upgrading to a Transition Covert a good idea? how do the frames compare?

    What do you think? would you do it?

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    if you do more dh put a coil on the covert- ccdb! you can dial up the compression for climbs if you wanted but the level of grip would increase 100% all around. it would be heavier that way but no worries on heat build up on long nasty stuff.

    i have done the opposite of you. had a '08 covert with a ccdb and now riding an enduro with a rs monarch plus. i like the grip the fsr gets w/the monarch alot. geometry wise i like both. the new covert is up to 160mm and probably amazing and durable. i would think geo-wise it should be slacker, so better for dh that you're riding. I'd own a covert again but put a monarch plus or ccdb again. that shock spoiled me! It's nice to be able to have shock options unlike spesh's proprietary mounts(got lucky on mine from Push).
    hope that was helpful. get a new toy! haha
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    Check the Stumpy Evo as an option. More travel, more slacker, Fox 34, 12 x 142 rear, etc. All things that lean toward the descent. To me the Stumpy Evo is sort of like a light climbing Enduro Jr.

    I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you asked. Just thought I'd throw it out there in case you wanted to stay with Spesh.

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    Knolly Chilcotin or and Spec Enduro

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    The Covert is pretty amazing, can you test ride one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    if you do more dh put a coil on the covert- ccdb! you can dial up the compression for climbs if you wanted but the level of grip would increase 100% all around. it would be heavier that way but no worries on heat build up on long nasty stuff.

    i have done the opposite of you. had a '08 covert with a ccdb and now riding an enduro with a rs monarch plus. i like the grip the fsr gets w/the monarch alot. geometry wise i like both. the new covert is up to 160mm and probably amazing and durable. i would think geo-wise it should be slacker, so better for dh that you're riding. I'd own a covert again but put a monarch plus or ccdb again. that shock spoiled me! It's nice to be able to have shock options unlike spesh's proprietary mounts(got lucky on mine from Push).
    hope that was helpful. get a new toy! haha
    i wouldent really like to put a coil shock on it as i may ride xc sometimes (rarely). i really just want a bike that can do it all, and do it well! :P
    I agree the splesh's proprietary mounts are stupid...

    Thanks for your help!

    Quote Originally Posted by ebeer View Post
    Check the Stumpy Evo as an option. More travel, more slacker, Fox 34, 12 x 142 rear, etc. All things that lean toward the descent. To me the Stumpy Evo is sort of like a light climbing Enduro Jr.

    I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you asked. Just thought I'd throw it out there in case you wanted to stay with Spesh.
    I have its really good! the frame is past my budget:/ and its hard to find the frame itself...:/

    i also want to get away from specialized... i want something a bit more rare:P

    Thanks for your help!



    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    Knolly Chilcotin or and Spec Enduro
    i want to get away from specialized, i want something a bit more rare...:P

    The knolly chilcotin looks like a beast! and is awesome because its rare!! unfortunately it exceeds my budget...:/

    are there any other cool frames like the chilcotin but a bit cheaper?



    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    The Covert is pretty amazing, can you test ride one?
    Yea, this guy that was biking in my local mountains let me try his... It was a Large which is kinda big for me... but it felt so nicee and plush...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredb View Post
    Yea, this guy that was biking in my local mountains let me try his... It was a Large which is kinda big for me... but it felt so nicee and plush...!
    Well, I'd compare it to whatever bikes you can find and then buy the one you like the most.

    Coil shocks rule, by the way.
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    Hard to beat the bang for your buck factor of the Transition Covert.

    What you'll get with a covert:
    > Heavier than avg aluminum frame, but that comes with the renowned durability of a Transition bike
    > Simple yet predictable single pivot suspension platform
    > Middle of the road geometry (67 HA for a 545mm fork), but should be playful with the shorter chainstays and single pivot design
    > It's a transition, so you know the boys designed it with the intention of maximizing your fun while going down
    > Not everyone has one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    Well, I'd compare it to whatever bikes you can find and then buy the one you like the most.

    Coil shocks rule, by the way.
    you make a good point... compare

    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Hard to beat the bang for your buck factor of the Transition Covert.

    What you'll get with a covert:
    > Heavier than avg aluminum frame, but that comes with the renowned durability of a Transition bike
    > Simple yet predictable single pivot suspension platform
    > Middle of the road geometry (67 HA for a 545mm fork), but should be playful with the shorter chainstays and single pivot design
    > It's a transition, so you know the boys designed it with the intention of maximizing your fun while going down
    > Not everyone has one!
    Exactly! i love the covert, but other frames exceed my budget...

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    I would take a look at the Pinkbike classifieds. Lots of good value in there for All Mountain frames. There's a couple SB66's in there that are priced pretty well. Then you just swap most of your parts over.

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    are you looking at the '12s or '13s? i totally agree with zebrahum about the coil! i live in texas and travel to socal and to washington state and never felt the ccdb held me back on a climb there or in austin hill country with loose rock everywhere. crap, this is making me miss my covert!
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    Obviously this is my opinion, but very few bikes have the striking appearance of the new Covert. The only other bike that I think is on the same level is the Knolly Chilcotin. I have a new Rune V2 coming in, and I'm seriously salivating over the Covert!


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    Well if you're looking for something to build up and something that's a little less common check out the Titus El Guapo. Bad ass descender yet capable of being built reasonably light. And best of all the frame and shock combo is sub $1000. Titus El Guapo Frame (version 3) w/Rockshox Monarch RT3 Shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by smellurfingers View Post
    I would take a look at the Pinkbike classifieds. Lots of good value in there for All Mountain frames. There's a couple SB66's in there that are priced pretty well. Then you just swap most of your parts over.
    thats a really good idea... but i live in portugal, and here you cant find people selling good frames... I dont really like to order a frame from another country without having a look at it first... :/

    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    are you looking at the '12s or '13s? i totally agree with zebrahum about the coil! i live in texas and travel to socal and to washington state and never felt the ccdb held me back on a climb there or in austin hill country with loose rock everywhere. crap, this is making me miss my covert!
    Both, i was looking more at the 2013 covert with a CTD, i would never have enough money to get a ccdb... :/

    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Obviously this is my opinion, but very few bikes have the striking appearance of the new Covert. The only other bike that I think is on the same level is the Knolly Chilcotin. I have a new Rune V2 coming in, and I'm seriously salivating over the Covert!
    yea, i feel the same way mate... the chilcotin and the SB66 would be awesome if i had the money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebeer View Post
    Well if you're looking for something to build up and something that's a little less common check out the Titus El Guapo. Bad ass descender yet capable of being built reasonably light. And best of all the frame and shock combo is sub $1000. Titus El Guapo Frame (version 3) w/Rockshox Monarch RT3 Shock
    looks really good! Have you or anyone ridden one? how does it feel?

    thanks

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    i have 3 friends with the el guapo. great bike. two have dhx 5s and the third a Monarch. great burly bike! it's just like your spesh that it's a licensed fsr/ horst link design. so it soaks up just like your stumpy would. i think the angles maybe be a little steeper up front than the covert. you could save 500-600 dollars if you get an el guapo. my buddy got his for $1k just a few wks ago. if i were u I'd be excited to try a new design & get the Covert!
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    The covert is about 1lb heavier than the el guapo. I think you have to realize the NW riders like to huck their bikes quite a bit, hence why brands like Banshee, Transition, and Knolly err on the side of caution when it comes to adding extra material to their frames ( all their AM bikes are right around the 7lb mark without shock). If you're planning to up the ante into the light freeride realm, I think you gotta look at bikes like the Enduro, Rune, Chilcotin, and of course the covert. If you just want to do more aggressive trail riding, there's a lot of other bikes like the stumpy evo and (along with two dozen others) that should be up for the challenge.

    There are quite some deals floating around on Rocky Mountain Slayers at the moment.

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    So whos the lame loser that neg repped me saying stay on topic? lol ******

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    i have 3 friends with the el guapo. great bike. two have dhx 5s and the third a Monarch. great burly bike! it's just like your spesh that it's a licensed fsr/ horst link design. so it soaks up just like your stumpy would. i think the angles maybe be a little steeper up front than the covert. you could save 500-600 dollars if you get an el guapo. my buddy got his for $1k just a few wks ago. if i were u I'd be excited to try a new design & get the Covert!
    Yea i agree, i should try somthing new...

    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    The covert is about 1lb heavier than the el guapo. I think you have to realize the NW riders like to huck their bikes quite a bit, hence why brands like Banshee, Transition, and Knolly err on the side of caution when it comes to adding extra material to their frames ( all their AM bikes are right around the 7lb mark without shock). If you're planning to up the ante into the light freeride realm, I think you gotta look at bikes like the Enduro, Rune, Chilcotin, and of course the covert. If you just want to do more aggressive trail riding, there's a lot of other bikes like the stumpy evo and (along with two dozen others) that should be up for the challenge.

    There are quite some deals floating around on Rocky Mountain Slayers at the moment.
    Yea, i wanted a light freeride bike, that can take 1.75m drops without struggleing too much...

    Ive looked at rockymountain, i dont really like their frames, and i know two guys that own slayers...

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    Does anyone know if Knolly is going to release a 2013 Chilcotin? maybe i could get the 2012 model at a reduced price...

    I have another problem.. :/ Knolly does not have a dealer here in portugal -.-

    Does anyone know a website ( preferably in europe ) that may sell them?

    Thanks,

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    Fredb- post up in the Knolly section of the forums , you'll get an answer there ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    Fredb- post up in the Knolly section of the forums , you'll get an answer there ...
    Good idea thanks! Ive been thinking better... The chilcotin costs 550euros more than the covert, and with that money i could buy a nice fork...

    Is it worth it getting the chilcotin over the covert?

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    I agree with you wanting to get away from the specialized mainstream. I owned an enduro first then a nomad, chilcotin, XAM, reign, reign x, sanction and a slayer. All great bikes, however, I found my self missing the enduro the most. It's impossible to deny, they nailed it with the enduro.

    I love my enduro. I paid $2,300 USD for my 2011 Comp, brand new, in a size medium about a month ago. I put a talas fork on mine because there's some 22% grade climbs where I live and your back can start to hurt on these long legged bikes with slack geo. The lyrik is a superior fork overall, I just need that travel adjust-ability to make it the bike I want.

    I chose an enduro over a covert because it has a longer wheelbase and is slacker by half a degree. I rode a covert and it's definitely a solid bike and a great choice but the enduro will be a superior descender because of the longer wheel base and slacker frame. If you want a coil on an enduro, you can always go big and get the EVO which comes ready to freeride and still climb decently. My enduro can still hit those 1.75m drops no issue with air suspension, it just needs to be tuned properly. I run my enduro on a heavy all mountain light freeride setting so I only bottom out on the huge hits but I'm not being rattled alive on the small ones. The enduro receives a lot of praise on this forum because it's earned it.

    Plus, mine is GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveagibsonsg View Post
    I agree with you wanting to get away from the specialized mainstream. I owned an enduro first then a nomad, chilcotin, XAM, reign, reign x, sanction and a slayer. All great bikes, however, I found my self missing the enduro the most. It's impossible to deny, they nailed it with the enduro.

    I love my enduro. I paid $2,300 USD for my 2011 Comp, brand new, in a size medium about a month ago. I put a talas fork on mine because there's some 22% grade climbs where I live and your back can start to hurt on these long legged bikes with slack geo. The lyrik is a superior fork overall, I just need that travel adjust-ability to make it the bike I want.

    I chose an enduro over a covert because it has a longer wheelbase and is slacker by half a degree. I rode a covert and it's definitely a solid bike and a great choice but the enduro will be a superior descender because of the longer wheel base and slacker frame. If you want a coil on an enduro, you can always go big and get the EVO which comes ready to freeride and still climb decently. My enduro can still hit those 1.75m drops no issue with air suspension, it just needs to be tuned properly. I run my enduro on a heavy all mountain light freeride setting so I only bottom out on the huge hits but I'm not being rattled alive on the small ones. The enduro receives a lot of praise on this forum because it's earned it.

    Plus, mine is GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
    Nice bike you got there! How does the enduro compare to the chilcotin you owned?

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    fredb- I would recommend the Enduro Evo for ya, go coil . You will love it, the enduro is such a fun bike , light , easy to throw around, its climbs ok but really flys downhill and its stable...

    The Chilcotin is a different beast to compare it with, but its def a pricey build . I just got done building mine up so i need to still break it in and get used to it, esp being out from a bad injury since July.

    As mentioned before, i think the enduro will be a great choice for you.

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