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    Tires, Tires and more Tires

    I am having trouble chossing a tire.
    Has anyone ridden the Kenda Kinetics Stick-E K Tire. I was thinking of getting the 2.35 for front and rear, I ride on some really jagged rocks here in Vegas and wanted to see if any one has more options for a 2.35 tire in the 700-900 range. My bike is a tank already so I thought if I can save a couple pounds that would help.

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    FWIW the Kinetic 2.35 runs small compared to other Kenda tires. It's more like a 2.1 Nev.
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    Steve's right, the Kinetics do run small. I switched from those to WTB Mutano's in the 2.24, and have loved how they perform. I don't recall the weight, seems like 700 and change, so they are reasonable. I live in SLC, conditions not too different than where you're located.

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    I would suggest maxxis minion dhf front and rear in the 2.35 folding size. Not sure of the weight but they aren't too bad. I ride really rocky stuff here in CO and I don't get any sidewall tears with them.
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    I'm stoked on Specialized tires these days...been running a Resolution 2.3 in the rear and switching between another Resolution and an Enduro 2.4 up front depending on terrain. The Enduro would make a good rear tire too, slower than the Reso but more braking and cornering bite. The Reso is better for more rock/hardpack surfaces and rolls like crazy, the Enduro is a little squirrely on hardpack but hooks up better in summer dust. You can't go wrong with the Resolution, at least on dry terrain. I'm planning on buying another round when my current ones wear out, and this is the first tire I've found in years that I can say that about.

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    +1 on the Specialized tires.

    I was running Kinetic 2.2 tubeless tires front & rear on my Giant Reign.
    I killed the front one on a rock and replaced it with a Spec. Enduro 2.4 tubeless- wow - this tire ROCKS! - on the rocks... ...and everywhere else - traction out the wazoo.

    The rear Kinetic is all but completely worn out, and I need to replace it with something in a 2.3 tubeless. I have another Enduro 2.4, but would like to run something a little smaller on the rear wheel.

    To the OP: definitely check out the Specialized line of tires.

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    Dont go Stick-E you will shred it especially in the rear.
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    Thanks for the input guys, I hate it when tires run different than what you think. I bought a 2.25 and it was larger than my 2.35 I was running. I am going to look into the WTB tires aswell I guess.

    I did really like the specialized I was running on my old stumpy but I could not find a replacement for it anywhere, where can I get specialized tires?

    Why do people ride big up front now?
    I remember BMXers doing it for berms on tracks and loose turns but on my hard tail I feel like I need the extra tire in the rear as well as my front.

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    I second that on the Stick-E in Vegas...you'll kill it quick!!!

    I used to live in Vegas during my UNLV days and the XC tire that rocked there was the Panaracer Fire

    Performance sells a 2.3" version of this tire that is a claimed 785 grams
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    I also like the Hutchinson Barracuda 2.3" for loose and rocky conditions.

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    Thanks Mtnbiker, I am going to have to look at performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjcools
    I did really like the specialized I was running on my old stumpy but I could not find a replacement for it anywhere, where can I get specialized tires?

    Why do people ride big up front now?
    You can order tires direct from Specialized on their website, web-store or have your local dealer order in the "good-stuff"

    I run a wider front tire, because my bike has somewhat slack geometry, and I need to slightly weigh the front end in corners - the wider tire helps dig in. It also floats over rocks better. You can get away with a smaller tire out back, because generally there is more weight over the rear, and a smaller tire weighs less, and should, in theory at least, roll faster.

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    I am a fan of the 2.35 Highroller single ply folding bead in the 60a compound.
    It holds corners aggressively on the front and back and rolls well. It comes in on the low 800s.

    Also the Intense Edge single ply 2.35 tires looks very good too. It has ramped edges like the high roller, but with more transition knobs. It looks like it could really bite into the ground.. and is wider than the HRs.
    I think these will be the tires I try next for the front of my bike.

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    I have been using Schwalbe Fat Albert (2.35") front and rear on XM819 using Stan's. Very satisfied with the behavior of the front one irregardless of the conditons, dry in Moab, dirt in Fruita or muddy and wet in the Northeast. However, I am less pleased with the one in the back. So far it seems to be less predictable than my previous Panaracer XC Pro when going over wet roots. I know those are always slippery but the Fat Albert seems to completely throw me off track while I seem to remember that the XC Pro would somewhat keep a bit straighter. Maybe I need to get used to that tire but I am considering switching back.

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    I absolutely love my fat alberts in the 2.35. Float great over sand and help up really well on the rocks I rode in phoenix. They are seeming to wear really well too.
    Find 'em hot leave 'em wet

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    Mutanoraptors! Thats what you want! They roll super fast and hook up great in dry, dusty, loamy conditions but work awesome on slickrock and hardpack as well. Not good in wet conditions but for Nevada I'd say they would be great. I ran them front and rear last year but went to a Nevegal on the front this year as I have to deal with wet rocks and roots on occasion and the Mutanos don't like them very much. The 2.4 is just a smidge narrower than a 2.35 nevegal, like 1mm or so, almost nothing. Their pretty light if I recall, I can't remember a number, but I can say I swapped a 2.1 folding Nevegal in the rear for the 2.4 folding Mutano and it pedaled soooo much better, like night and day.

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    Panaracer Rampage or Kenda Nevegals DTC are my personal favourites.

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    at the moment - Fat Albert 2.35.
    +/- 750 grm
    In hard pack - Good (4)
    Rocky trails - Good (4)
    Loose stuff over hardpack - (3)
    Soft terrain - (4)
    Rocks+rain - (1)

    If it`s dry, for the price I think it`s a good alternative.

    But you may want to visit Continental Web site.

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    Michelin

    What about the Michelin tires, anyone ride them. They look like a pretty stout tire.

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    How do the WTB tires hold up? They seem crazy light! Are the weights listed on the website actual? The 2.5's are especially attractive for a light front tire.
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    Theyre constructed with very minimalist sidewalls so they aren't super durable. I was running my Mutanos last season with tubes and noticed a couple nasty abrasions on the sidewalls but wasn't too worried about it. Went with stans this year and when I was trying to get them to inflate the sidewalls split at every spot there was an abrasion, that tire looked like swiss cheese! So far I'm running the other one from last year and it's fine with a tube in it. The trails in my area range from loose and dusty to exposed granite, schist, and basalt. It can get jagged in spots but the tires are holding up well for how light they are, no problems with splitting so far but I'm running the pressure pretty low, around 28-30 psi.

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    I had been running a Kenda Blue Groove 2.3 as a front tire, it finally wore out so I switched to a Maxxis Advantage 2.4. Size wise they are about the same, so far I really like the Maxxis. My trails are usually hard pack or loose over hard pack with plenty of rocks and rubble. The Advantage seems to hook up well. It is heavier than the Kenda at about 840 grams but I honestly can't say I notice it when riding. You can get the Advantage for $30 which is also nice.

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    Maxxis Advantages are very good tires, but aren't durable enough as a rear tire in very rocky terrain. They are also very tall, taller than my 2.7 Maxxis dhf/highroller dh tires... and won't fit on many bikes. They are so far my favorite front tire for trail riding.

    I agree the 2.35 Maxxis 60a Minion or Highroller is a great rear tire and holds up really well.

    I also like Schwalbe Nobby Nic as a front tire a lot... Mutanos trade performance and durability for light weight and very low rolling resistance, they would be good for epics in non-technical, dry terrain. They work well in sand and dust. I hate Kenda tires, the bg/nev combo I tried were some of the worst tires EVER in all ways.

    I want to try Schwalbe Big Bettys and Rampages sometime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarashi
    How do the WTB tires hold up? They seem crazy light! Are the weights listed on the website actual? The 2.5's are especially attractive for a light front tire.
    Actually, I've had good luck with the 2.4s. They are by far the lightest high-volume tires I can find. I ride a variety of dry terrain, including lots of rocky terrain. I've been riding the Mutanos for a few years now, and they hold up well. But there is a trade-off; they have fairly flimsy sidewalls to save weight. I did rip a sidewall on a razor sharp rock shortly after converting to Stan's (had to patch from the inside, too big for Stan's to seal). It might have ripped on any tire, but probably was because of the thin sidewalls. Still, after countly miles pounding down ragged trails, it's a small price to pay and a trade-off I gladly make.

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    I mostly want to subscribe to this thread, but I'll throw in my 2 cents:

    Kenda Nevegals 2.1, came with the new bike, took a couple rides to break in and grip, but they are pretty good in loose rocky hard pack , ok in sand - not the best. first flat on ride #3 from a thorn - went with some racing kevlar tire liners - so far so good, from performance - not cheap, but light insurance

    on my old school bike, rigid, i ran panaracer smoke/dart combo - good grip, very rare flats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Maxxis Advantages are very good tires, but aren't durable enough as a rear tire in very rocky terrain. They are also very tall, taller than my 2.7 Maxxis dhf/highroller dh tires... and won't fit on many bikes. They are so far my favorite front tire for trail riding.
    That's a perfect example that tire choice is sooo personal. I absolutely hated the Advantage up front, really unpredictable in corners. I've now put it on the rear of my hardtail, and it's perfect - really cushy and nice traction. Up front I loved the 2.35 Nevegal I've had before, and now I run a 2.5 Maxxis Minion single-ply - way better than the Advantage up front!

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    I have some WTB Timberwolfs on my new HT and they are great, I am thinking about trying the Nevegal 2.3 front and rear without the Stick-E so I will see how they feel.

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    I've been trying to find the tire I like the most for quite a while now and have tried 9 different types so far. Takes a lot of time as I like to wear them down a bit before trying a new set.
    By a long shot the ones I like the most for weight, traction, best all round performer, fast rolling and durability are Schwalbe Nobby Nics.

    Equally by a big difference, the Kenda Kinetics have been the worst of the group. They hook up Ok, but roll slow and are heavy as.
    I had them on my wife's hardtail and the difference was amazing when swapping them out for Nobby Nics.

    If you do go the Nobby Nics way - look at the snake skin option for the sidewalls - adds 50gms but probably worth it - not that I've ever ripped a sidewall.
    I also ended up buying them from starbike in Germany as I couldn't find a good price in the US.

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    WTB has some nice tires, check out their freeride/dh tires
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    Quote Originally Posted by deoreo
    +1 on the Specialized tires.

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    +2 so far on the special-ed resolution . I had an ignitors front and back and liked those but they are really a soft compound and the rear wore down fast The front is still holding good . I was going to get another but found the resolution on sale (UST) and went with that instead. I like the idea of the dual compound . Makes to much sense. So far so good.

    The Maxxis are top $ around here

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    Syncros Point N Chute 3 (Factory) could be worth considering.

    I've got 2.5's and was pretty impressed with grip and rolling resistance. They weigh 755g compared to 845g for the big Maxxis Advantage 2.4 - granted it's bigger (taller) than the Syncros 2.5!
    The syncros seemed to be great in sand too.

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    i went with recommnedations for minion up front(2.5 single ply) and high roller rear(single ply). first time i have made an effort with tyres and they kick serious ass. i am climbing stuff i could never do before and my cornering is way faster. i have just had my firts pinch flat up front and that was probably from low psi. i was concerned about single ply but they have been great. 2 ply seem way too heavy for me.
    i was looking at a lighter set with fast rolling speeds for longer rides but to cope with tech sections. i looked at the rampage reviews and most think they arent tough enough same as advantages. so i gonna stick with maxxis and try 2.35 singles, maybe high rollers all round or same combo i got now. the rear is wearing a little quicker than i am used to but i give dem another go cause they so sweeeeeet!
    definately personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trialsrookie
    That's a perfect example that tire choice is sooo personal. I absolutely hated the Advantage up front, really unpredictable in corners. I've now put it on the rear of my hardtail, and it's perfect - really cushy and nice traction. Up front I loved the 2.35 Nevegal I've had before, and now I run a 2.5 Maxxis Minion single-ply - way better than the Advantage up front!

    Yup, I can see why you think the Advantage is unpredictable. When it starts to lose traction it does so abruptly and with little warning. I feel that its ultimate grip is very, very high, and its a worthy trade off. The only tire I've run that hooks up better is a Super Tacky Minion DHF, but its over 1 lb heavier and rolls much slower. The Nobby Nic is also very good, without the abrupt loss of traction the Advantage has, and its 1/2 lb lighter too. No problems with durability as a front tire...
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    Many good tyres nowadays...

    Rampages 2.35" - True to size, big knobs, nice casing size but rather low. Very stable, pretty good rolling and cornering. Excellent in dry, not so in the wet, but a formidable all-arounder. Not good for sticky mud.

    Spesh Adrenalines / Resolutions - Hard to find a better cornering tyre. Could do it on the rear, but IMHO, it loses some in brute traction. Too close spaced knobs in the certer make it break loose in climbing or braking on the rear end. Exceptional loose-mudder, sucks in sticky mud.

    Schwalbe Nobby Nics - Best All-Arounders I've tried. But this is a big downside too... as they don't shine on anything especially. They're just good. No weaknesses to write home about. Maybe the thin sidewalls but there's a version that keeps you from that.

    Hutchy Spider - This is a crazy traction rear. Only tried it on the rear but so far I'm impressed. They are slower than others, but they will not break loose for the life of you. Cornering not so great. Just fine.

    Spesh Roll-X. - MAN!! What a rear tyre!!!! It does everything fine, rolls nicely, corners great for a rear, despite the close knobs it doesn't let go much for mud. Casing volume and construction is great (at least on the OEM version I've tried, same as the Sport but with kevlar beads).

    I'd like to try a Minion DHF, but the rather small casing puts me away. A 2.35" is like another brands 2.1". Another one I'd love to try is the Geax Sturdy (as a 2.1" / 2.25" combo for R/F)
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    maxxis minion dh
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    to the couple people who posted about the maxxis minion single ply 2.5s...where did you find those? they aren't listed on the maxxis site and I couldn't find them for sale anywhere

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    nope...minion 2.5 are all with steel beads and dont think they're single ply... i think you're thinking 2.35

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    nope...minion 2.5 are all with steel beads and dont think they're single ply... i think you're thinking 2.35
    There are OEM 2.5 and 2.7 Minions and High Rollers around, I was in an LBS the other day and they had a pair of single-ply Minion 2.5s (I think some '06 Konas might have shipped with single plys. (stinkys and stabs?)
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    I've been running Specialized Resolution Pro, came stock with the bike. So far so good, it's a pretty good all around tire. But with the tiny knobbies, it does not have much grip on loose surface gravel, sand or dirt - on either direction climbing or going down hill. I run 8 inch rotors in d front and 7 in the back, if I don't watch my brake modulation the tires meets their limit fast.

    Thumbs up on panaracer smoke classics, those things hook up pretty much any surface. But, they have a square-ish profile.

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