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    Stumpy FSR Comp EVO, Remedy 8, or '11 Remedy 9.7?

    Hello again. Back to ask about another bike, not a commuter this time. All mountain, baby!

    I'm going to do an employee purchase of either a Trek or Specialized when the option comes available to me (late November) and I want a pedalable Trail/AM bike. Looking for 140-150mm travel with somewhat slack geo. Not DH slack, but not XC steep. And I'm looking at either a '12 Stumpy FSR Comp EVO, '12 Remedy 8, or '11 Remedy 9.7. I'm going to head to the shop tomorrow to ride an EX8, which is the same basic platform as the Remedy to see how I like it.

    I'm kinda leaning towards the Stumpy because:
    • Adjustable seatpost stock
    • RockShox Revelations are supposedly very plush
    • Mid cage rear derailleur




    But I'm liking the Remedy 8, too, because:
    • SLX/SLX/XT Drivetrain
    • SLX Brakes
    • DRCV Technology, Full floater, ABP



    At the same time, the Remedy 9.7 has:
    • a carbon fiber frame!

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    Love my EVO.

    Not fond of Trek.

    Mine is a 2011, and I think they took care of my only complaint with the 2012. (Fork)

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    Alright

    One of my worries with a Remedy is the brake dive issue. I've heard that the fork doesn't have enough (or any) low speed compression adjustment.

    Now, how does the evo pedal? If you have some complaints about it, please tell me.

    Thanks for the quick reply!
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    Just picked up a 2011 Remedy 8, very similar build and same frame/fork as the '12. I'll have a full report in a week after beating on it for a few miles. If you haven't purchased by next weekend shoot me a PM for some feedback.

    Theres some big differences between the Spec and the Treks. Shimano vs Sram, Fox vs RS.

    Trek's ABP was definitely a factor for me. After riding DH for a few years, having active susp under braking was significant for me. As was having full shimano train, and Fox quality out front. I do hear the low speed compression concerns. I'm hoping I'll be able to dial it in.

    For what its worth, coming from a LBS that has sold Trek for 15 years, and sold Spec for 5, theres a reason they no longer sell Specialized. They have no problem f'ing over shops, and even showing some customers poor custy service. On the other hand, plenty of ppl have had awesome relationships with Specialized.

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    I work in a Spec/Trek shop (we are a Trek store, but also a dealer for Specialized, among others) so if they give me poor customer service, if I go that route, I will not sell another Spesh. The shop I work at requires that I work there for 6 months before I can do an employee purchase (I guess they think I'm gonna work there, buy a bike, then ditch). I started there the day after school got out for summer on May 24, so that puts me at late November when I can purchase.
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    I have not got a chance to ride a Stumpjumper yet but my impression of the Remedy was not too good. I only got a short demo on it but in that time it felt very unstable and twitchy. I felt as if I was riding on top of the front wheel the whole time (I'm 5'11" and was riding a large) and at any moment I would go over the front wheel. The other guy I was demoing the bikes with was not impressed either, though I think he just didn't like the bike in general. Though I have yet to see a similar or even bad review online. My only conclusion is that it was a fluke. I would definitely be willing to give the Remedy a 2nd chance but the first impression for me, was not good. My advice is definitely get some trail time on them both. For the value though, I would be leaning toward the Stumpy. Not to mention you get a seatpost dropper and chain guide, two things that would come in handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikrc10 View Post
    I have not got a chance to ride a Stumpjumper yet but my impression of the Remedy was not too good. I felt as if I was riding on top of the front wheel the whole time (I'm 5'11" and was riding a large) and at any moment I would go over the front wheel. The other guy I was demoing the bikes with was not impressed either
    I rode a Remedy around the shop and the parking lot and I had the same feeling adout going over the front tire. I even had the sales person double checked the geo numbers for me, because it didn't feel like 68ha. I like the Spech, I like RS/Sram, mainly because you get great performance at a great price point. That's something that you don't get with Fox, they bleed you through the nose and only 36 comes with 20mm thur axle.

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    If you have ridden a Stumpjumper FSR without the Brain,

    Does it pedal really well? Scale of 1-10, 10 being damn near hardtail, 1 being a Karpiel Armageddon.
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    im a big fan of the fsr suspension. i have only tried one with a brain but i did back it all the way off. like that i felt it pedaled about the same as my jamis (linkage driven sp). of course the really nice thing was how it was always active. id go for the stumpy evo.

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    About pedaling the EVO...

    It took some getting used to going to a 2x10. I do a lot more front ring- gear changes... but I think I have the hang of it now

    It pedals very nicely. I can definitely feel an improvement on steepish climbs when I pro-pedal the shock, but on rolling trails I usually keep the shock open.

    I think it bobs less than my older Superlight did.

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    My Remedy 9 has low speed compression. I think it would be pretty soft without it. I'll make this one observation, I wasn't happy with my bike until I swapped in a shorter stem and wider/taller Easton Havoc DH/All Mountain bars. Then it was an entirely different and very nice bike. I love it now.
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    Thanks for the replies, advice, and votes, guys! I appreciate it a lot. I still have to wait till November 24th to do an employee purchase (I have to work at my shop for 6 months), but that's a month after the bikes are released, so I'll be in good shape.

    I threw together my hardtail the other day and I've been riding it, and want to get back into the swing of trails on it so I'm ready for a newww bike

    Keep it comin'!

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    I've been talking about it a lot in the shop, and today the owner told me "we'll talk about it tomorrow." Let's goooo
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    i have an sj evo for about 4 or 5 months now. this bike is very downhill friendly, rolls fast, and IMO pedals well. there is a slight bob i suppose, but i have never felt i need pro pedal. at least 90% of the time i dont use pro pedal.

    ive never riden a trek before so i cant comment. ill say that the slack head tube of the sj evo has made my steep downhills look more inviting. in some runs, if i had a steeper head tube, i would have been in a world of hurt. the dropper seatpost and chain guide has also been a blessing. the avid brakes however has been a pain, but the bike shop did swap out the rotors and pads, so far its been good.

    this is just my insight on the 2011 sj evo. the 2012 will have a post mount rear brake and a 12mm TA rear, these are things that i envy. test ride both on your favorite trails, thats the only way to know which is for you. good luck.

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    I've loved both Remedy's I've ridden. I also must give a shout out for the Specialized Pitch, if you still have a 2011 model in stock, it is a really versatile and playful bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilirubin View Post
    I've loved both Remedy's I've ridden. I also must give a shout out for the Specialized Pitch, if you still have a 2011 model in stock, it is a really versatile and playful bike.
    I had been eyeing the pitch for a while, but Specialized is sold out of them and not bringing them back for '12. It's not a very pedalable bike, however. I did ride one around when a customer ordered it
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    Huh. I pedal fine with mine. Not sure what you mean I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid View Post
    I had been eyeing the pitch for a while, but Specialized is sold out of them and not bringing them back for '12. It's not a very pedalable bike, however. I did ride one around when a customer ordered it
    Not pedalable?

    You're making that claim based on a quick parking lot ride?

    The Pitch actually pedals very well.
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    2011 Pitch Pro here. If I couldnt have gotten that, I would be on a Banshee Spitfire or waiting on the Spec Stumpy Evo for next year.

    I have no issue pedaling the Pitch or any FSR. Know they are a bit more "active", and this translates into a bit more "bob" when set up nice and plush. I tend to like this, and have made my last 3 bikes (long term) FSR bikes, the last 2 with 6" bikes.

    The remedy never made my list due to lack of a 20mm front axle. Deal breaker on any 5"+ bike, IMO.

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    Whats the price on a '12 SJ evo supposed to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by walter95 View Post
    whats the price on a '12 sj evo supposed to be?
    $4100

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    Any actual prices out yet for the sj comp evo? Bike lust is starting to set in.

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    Evo comp is supposed to be $2700 I think

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    According to ibd.specialized.com, the Comp Evo is $3300, Expert Evo 29 is $4,400, and Expert Carbon Evo is $5,800.
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    I think the poll is telling me something
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    Dishonorable bump...

    Anybody else want to chime in? (please)
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    Stumpy ftw

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    Jekyll carbon 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by guvna View Post
    Jekyll carbon 2
    I wish! Even better, a Claymore.
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    I've had a change of heart, guys.

    I did some reading on the 2012 Remedy's, and they have corrected the issue with the head angle and slackened it out to 67*, and also added the Mino Link feature, which makes the geometry adjustable. The Remedy is an amazing bike, and I think it will suit me way better as an all around bike.

    At this point, I think I will be going with the 2012 Remedy 9. I'm really stepping up

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    Nice bike mate, but get a stumpy evo haha

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    Lol awkward. That stumpy Evo really is nothing to write home about. Here's my new bike:

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    lol, looks nice, I demo'd both and now have a stumpy evo, I'd even write to your mum about it )

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpeater View Post
    lol, looks nice, I demo'd both and now have a stumpy evo, I'd even write to your mum about it )
    Wow, then it must be that great. Lol.

    Glad you like it. I couldn't be more happier with this ride. It is absolutely amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid View Post
    Wow, then it must be that great. Lol.

    Glad you like it. I couldn't be more happier with this ride. It is absolutely amazing.
    I could use your help.. I rode the remedy in a parking lot the other day and liked how it felt. Not being on the trail I don't really have any idea.. So, I am looking at the 2011 Stumpy evo, Enduro,2012 Remedy, and the 2011 Jekyll. Have you been able to ride the remedy much? Could you post up a review?

    If anyone has experience on these bikes to compare, could someone post up a comparison or review of their bikes as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggilings View Post
    I could use your help.. I rode the remedy in a parking lot the other day and liked how it felt. Not being on the trail I don't really have any idea.. So, I am looking at the 2011 Stumpy evo, Enduro,2012 Remedy, and the 2011 Jekyll. Have you been able to ride the remedy much? Could you post up a review?

    If anyone has experience on these bikes to compare, could someone post up a comparison or review of their bikes as well?
    Jekyll - awsome bike. Friend had a Fuel Ex last year, got stolen, then he bough a Jekyll. I also tried it and the bike is a awsome climber. Not just bob free, it has great rear tire traction while in 90mm mode and if you'd put a travel adjusted fork in front, you could easily climb anything. The bike won't hold you back, only the rider. He has a 32mm Fox 150 in front, but that bike needs a 35-36mm stanchion fork to be a competitive descender like the Enduro. The Fuel Ex 2011, even with 30mm less travel can't compete with it.

    Enduro is the best descender from your list. If you don't have an uphill technical trail, then it will do for ascents. Sit and pedal type of bike.

    I haven't seen any 2012 Remedy's, but I have never been satisfied how its (Trek's) suspension work on the uphill (judgeing by last years and 2010 Fuel Ex). Even on straight pavement it bobs a lot (even with propedal engaged) and rear traction while going uphill is nowhere near the Jekyll. But on the descents, it's a above average bike, full floater and ABP work well in that field.

    Can't say anything about the Stumpjumper EVO.

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    For 2012, Trek went through their full suspension line up (most notably the Fuel EX and Remedy), and changed a LOT.

    Though this is my first full suspenision bike, I really can't say enough about it. I am extremely pleased with it. Hell, I rode my 22 mile commute on it yesterday.
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    Thanks for the help.

    I went and rode the bikes in a parking lot again. The stumpy evo and jekyll felt the best except jekyll had narrow bars on it for the type of bike they claim it to be. The trek felt weird to me for some reason and I like the looks of the evo a bit more.

    I think I am between the evo and jekyll... Need to find the best deal before spring I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggilings View Post
    Thanks for the help.

    I went and rode the bikes in a parking lot again. The stumpy evo and jekyll felt the best except jekyll had narrow bars on it for the type of bike they claim it to be. The trek felt weird to me for some reason and I like the looks of the evo a bit more.

    I think I am between the evo and jekyll... Need to find the best deal before spring I guess
    What year Remedy did you ride? The 2012 is a whoooooooooole new bike.
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    I rode the 2011 and 2012. I did like the 12 a lot better, but something just did not fit me very well. I am in-between sizes at 5'-10 1/2 with a shorter inseam and monkey long arms, so I may have needed a medium...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggilings View Post
    I rode the 2011 and 2012. I did like the 12 a lot better, but something just did not fit me very well. I am in-between sizes at 5'-10 1/2 with a shorter inseam and monkey long arms, so I may have needed a medium...
    I'm the same 5'9 1/2 and ride medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpeater View Post
    lol, looks nice, I demo'd both and now have a stumpy evo, I'd even write to your mum about it )
    +1 Rep. That's funny as hell and well played!!

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    I am completely baffled by this post....not the jekyll part as I have not ridden one yet, but your analysis of the Fuels and Remedy's couldn't be further from the truth. Both bike climb exceptionally well. I am a cannondale guy and bought a fuel ex 8 after scoring a deal on it after a demo (2011 model). After I got my fuel, I rode a remedy and wish I'd of got that instead as it climbs just as well. The only way to get a little bit of bob is to get out of the saddle and crank away. I'm sure the treks you rode were not set up with the proper air pressure. Again, I'm a cannondale guy, but there are no good cannondale lbs here, so I went trek, but would love to try a jekyll out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vuco View Post
    Jekyll - awsome bike. Friend had a Fuel Ex last year, got stolen, then he bough a Jekyll. I also tried it and the bike is a awsome climber. Not just bob free, it has great rear tire traction while in 90mm mode and if you'd put a travel adjusted fork in front, you could easily climb anything. The bike won't hold you back, only the rider. He has a 32mm Fox 150 in front, but that bike needs a 35-36mm stanchion fork to be a competitive descender like the Enduro. The Fuel Ex 2011, even with 30mm less travel can't compete with it.

    Enduro is the best descender from your list. If you don't have an uphill technical trail, then it will do for ascents. Sit and pedal type of bike.

    I haven't seen any 2012 Remedy's, but I have never been satisfied how its (Trek's) suspension work on the uphill (judgeing by last years and 2010 Fuel Ex). Even on straight pavement it bobs a lot (even with propedal engaged) and rear traction while going uphill is nowhere near the Jekyll. But on the descents, it's a above average bike, full floater and ABP work well in that field.

    Can't say anything about the Stumpjumper EVO.
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    The 2010 Fuel Ex is soooooo far from a 2012 Remedy bro. That's like comparing a Pinarello Kobh to a Trek 7.5 FX. They completely redesigned the Fuel EX and the Remedy (as well as other full suspension models) for 2012. I can say with confidence that my Remedy will out-climb a 2010 Fuel EX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stangbang View Post
    I am completely baffled by this post....not the jekyll part as I have not ridden one yet, but your analysis of the Fuels and Remedy's couldn't be further from the truth. Both bike climb exceptionally well. I am a cannondale guy and bought a fuel ex 8 after scoring a deal on it after a demo (2011 model). After I got my fuel, I rode a remedy and wish I'd of got that instead as it climbs just as well. The only way to get a little bit of bob is to get out of the saddle and crank away. I'm sure the treks you rode were not set up with the proper air pressure. Again, I'm a cannondale guy, but there are no good cannondale lbs here, so I went trek, but would love to try a jekyll out.
    Hi stangbang,

    of course I respect Your opinion. My climbs are from long but low technical (8-20km in length, less than 10% slope) to some pretty technical trails (180°turns, high slope even for xc race bikes, short ascents [<1km]). My opinion of the Treks full floater and ABP are simply not that high (judging from the 2010 and 2011 bikes). For me it's average while climbing, and great while going down.
    I own a FSR/Horst link bike and it's quite easier to ride long climbs with it. On the dows Trek Fuel is a little better but can't achieve full travel what ever setup.

    My friend who had the Fuel Ex I'm taking for comparison also agrees that Trek bikes and the suspension can't match, not even close the Jekyll on the climbs. Everything is a lot easier even for a recreational rider.
    The shock on the Jekyll is the best and the worst thing on that bike. Service is complicated and time will tell how long will it last without a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuco View Post
    On the dows Trek Fuel is a little better but can't achieve full travel what ever setup.
    That's the idea behind their suspension design with the DRCV. You are supposed to use lower air pressure than you would typically run on any other bike, and the DRCV will let you pedal without bogging you down, and you can reach full travel when you need it.
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