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    stans flow wheels vs sun charger pro wheels ?

    i hate to do another which one thread but i dont know squat about wheels other than mine are really heavy and im hoping this will help my bike come alive and climb better,

    im riding sun ditchwitches which i beleive are the same as rhynolite xl which are 600grams per rim. also heavy hubs. total wheel weight is 2500gram mark. these wheels are all around the same weight, and pricepoint. all are tubeless compatable, and would save me almost 2lbs of rolling weight.



    sun charger pro wheels 1699g.
    mavic crosstrails 1685g
    stans flow rims ztr hubs 1725g

    any opinions or owners with any opinions appreciated.
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    Hi,
    I recently replaced my stock ditchwitch wheelset (yep 2500g) and am glad I did. I cant comment on the wheelsets you mentioned but I went with some hope hoops with flow rims and am more than happy with them. They weigh around 1880g and I also grabed some lighter rubber and my bike is a new beast. Definately worth the upgrade, you will love it!
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    ZTR Flow........light, very strong and love em

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    I'm a big fan of Flows but there's a new sheriff in town.
    I built my last wheelset with Hadleys and WTB Frequency i23s.
    WTB » Products – Wheels – Rims – All Mountain – Frequency i23 TCS » WTB

    Awesome rims, the 4D drilling design really is a game changer IMO.
    Locks the bead in like a vise for tubeless.
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    I'd cross anything sun off your list because of the proprietary spokes which they apparently don't sell.

    Normally I don't complain about straight-pull spokes, because their availability is more of a hypothetical problem (see how long it takes to get easton spokes, for example. You can probably get them quicker than your LBS can get normal DTs if they don't already have the right size)
    But not Sun-Ringle. I broke a spoke on my charger pro, and have been totally unable to get a replacement. It's been nearly a year now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    I'd cross anything sun off your list because of the proprietary spokes which they apparently don't sell.

    Normally I don't complain about straight-pull spokes, because their availability is more of a hypothetical problem (see how long it takes to get easton spokes, for example. You can probably get them quicker than your LBS can get normal DTs if they don't already have the right size)
    But not Sun-Ringle. I broke a spoke on my charger pro, and have been totally unable to get a replacement. It's been nearly a year now.
    man that sucks. Well I gonna have to look into that with the guys at my Lbs. Its hard to imagine you cant get them from sun directly atleast? If thats the case it does help narrow things down. Like the crossmax there is only 24 spokes on the charger. I wonder how sturdy that can be also?

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    I recently upgraded my Bontrager Rythm Pro's to ZTR Flow's and can tell a difference in the increased stiffness of the Flow's. Not sure on the weight but a good upgrade as far as I am concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxtar View Post
    I'm a big fan of Flows but there's a new sheriff in town.
    I built my last wheelset with Hadleys and WTB Frequency i23s.
    WTB » Products – Wheels – Rims – All Mountain – Frequency i23 TCS » WTB

    Awesome rims, the 4D drilling design really is a game changer IMO.
    Locks the bead in like a vise for tubeless.
    +1 I too just have had a set of the i23's laced to CK hubs. Total weight is 1880g including tape and valve stems. Builder was impressed with the rigidity and ease of the build, and they are supposed to be as stout as a Flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    I'd cross anything sun off your list because of the proprietary spokes which they apparently don't sell.

    Normally I don't complain about straight-pull spokes, because their availability is more of a hypothetical problem (see how long it takes to get easton spokes, for example. You can probably get them quicker than your LBS can get normal DTs if they don't already have the right size)
    But not Sun-Ringle. I broke a spoke on my charger pro, and have been totally unable to get a replacement. It's been nearly a year now.
    i went searching and found some spokes at Sun Ringle Pro Wheelset Straight Pull Spokes | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

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    Note that the Stans Flow rims are 28mm wide while the i23s are only, you guessed it 23mm wide. So if you like a healthy girth to your tire and a good contact patch, you might want to think about your choice a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    +1 I too just have had a set of the i23's laced to CK hubs. Total weight is 1880g including tape and valve stems. Builder was impressed with the rigidity and ease of the build, and they are supposed to be as stout as a Flow.
    Like I said, the 4D drilling adds so much.
    With 4D drilling, when they drill out the spoke hole, it isn't just angled from left to right side like other rims, it's also angle for front and back for leading or trailing spokes. That means the nipple is perfectly seated in the rim with no side stress.
    I found out how much difference this makes by accident. I screwed up and started my second set of trailing spokes on the wrong side of the key spoke. Normally, this would just cause a cross above the valve. In this case, as I tightened the spokes, I could see a noticeable bend in the spoke, right at the nipple. The angled drilling was forcing the nipple to keep that angle, even when the spoke was pulling it the opposite way.
    It created an exaggerated view of how much difference that angled drilling makes
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBaker View Post
    Note that the Stans Flow rims are 28mm wide while the i23s are only, you guessed it 23mm wide. So if you like a healthy girth to your tire and a good contact patch, you might want to think about your choice a bit.
    No, they are the same width. The "23" in the WTBs stands for 23mm inside the rim, Flows actually measure 22.6mm inside
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    I looked at the Sun Ringle too - but the Stan's Flows had a much better price point for 450 for the set vs 750 for the Sun Ringle Pros. Love the Stan's I've put on 3 different tires and had no issues running them tubeless. Hard to beat the flows for the price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digktialx View Post
    I looked at the Sun Ringle too - but the Stan's Flows had a much better price point for 450 for the set vs 750 for the Sun Ringle Pros. Love the Stan's I've put on 3 different tires and had no issues running them tubeless. Hard to beat the flows for the price point.
    i can get the charger pros for 550. where can you get the stans flows for $450? normally there about $540

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxtar View Post
    No, they are the same width. The "23" in the WTBs stands for 23mm inside the rim, Flows actually measure 22.6mm inside
    This is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akiracornell View Post
    i can get the charger pros for 550. where can you get the stans flows for $450? normally there about $540
    You may be right - I got them from jensonusa.com about a month ago - looks like they're $515.00 on there now. I think i got the numbers mixed up sorry!

    Bikebling.com sells the sun ringle stuff you could prob get them even less with the 15OFF300 coupon code.

    I haven't bought anything from bikebling yet myself.

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    Dont froget you can get hope pro 2 evo hubs with flow rims for under $400, they are great, but I am biased .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    +1 I too just have had a set of the i23's laced to CK hubs. Total weight is 1880g including tape and valve stems. Builder was impressed with the rigidity and ease of the build, and they are supposed to be as stout as a Flow.
    What spokes did you have your wheels built with? I think i have decided on this combo, but will use aerolite spokes to save a little more weight.
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    Ok now let me trough in another set of wheels in to this discussion.
    How about SunRingle Charger Pro VS Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 29"


    sun charger pro wheels 1699g.
    Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 29" 1773g

    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Juicen View Post
    What spokes did you have your wheels built with? I think i have decided on this combo, but will use aerolite spokes to save a little more weight.
    DT Comp's. Are the aerolite's bladed? I though about those too, but decided against them based on reports of them breaking more easily from rock strikes, which are common where I ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    DT Comp's. Are the aerolite's bladed? I though about those too, but decided against them based on reports of them breaking more easily from rock strikes, which are common where I ride.
    In the process of building a wheelset with I23's DT 240's and Sapim Race spokes. I almost went with Lasers to shave a few grams but decided against it as I too have personally taken some mean rock strikes to spokes and would worry about their durability in the thinner size. 1740g for what should be a bomber wheelset is fine with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    I'd cross anything sun off your list because of the proprietary spokes which they apparently don't sell.

    Normally I don't complain about straight-pull spokes, because their availability is more of a hypothetical problem (see how long it takes to get easton spokes, for example. You can probably get them quicker than your LBS can get normal DTs if they don't already have the right size)
    But not Sun-Ringle. I broke a spoke on my charger pro, and have been totally unable to get a replacement. It's been nearly a year now.
    I broke a spoke on my Charger Pros. I called Sun-Ringle and left a message. Someone called me back later that day. He sent me a spoke and nipple for free. He also gave me part numbers for the spokes so that I could order spares.
    Charger Pros are great wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    I'd cross anything sun off your list because of the proprietary spokes which they apparently don't sell.

    Normally I don't complain about straight-pull spokes, because their availability is more of a hypothetical problem (see how long it takes to get easton spokes, for example. You can probably get them quicker than your LBS can get normal DTs if they don't already have the right size)
    But not Sun-Ringle. I broke a spoke on my charger pro, and have been totally unable to get a replacement. It's been nearly a year now.
    Did you call tech support at Sun-Ringle? I called this week and they picked up their phone right away. Quite helpful too.

    Only bummer though if you do need parts from Sun-Ringle, it's all via LBS or finding it online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    DT Comp's. Are the aerolite's bladed? I though about those too, but decided against them based on reports of them breaking more easily from rock strikes, which are common where I ride.
    yes the aerolites are bladed. lighter, and a bit more expensive. not really too worried about there durability, a friend just laced up some i23/hope pro 2evos w/ aerolites, as well as another friend running dt swiss tricon 1950's on an sx trail being ridden through plenty of rocks!
    i'm no weigth weenie, but i know it makes the biggest difference when lost in the wheels, so i am willing to pay the extra for the lighter spokes.

    just glad to know they will come out at a resonable weight.
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    sun rimes have eyelets and a higher sidewall, just sometime to consider if it matters to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    Ok now let me trough in another set of wheels in to this discussion.
    How about SunRingle Charger Pro VS Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 29"


    sun charger pro wheels 1699g.
    Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 29" 1773g

    ???
    I think you would want to look at the Iodine, the cobalt are their XC line.

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    No iodine 29 :-(
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    im pretty much deciding the same thing. stans vs the i23's. but im also looking at the spank subrosa rim. just a tad lighter, but 30mm wide, look cool, and seem pretty damn strong. for me i think its between the i123's and subrosas

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    im pretty much deciding the same thing. stans vs the i23's. but im also looking at the spank subrosa rim. just a tad lighter, but 30mm wide, look cool, and seem pretty damn strong. for me i think its between the i123's and subrosas
    maybe you mean the oozy? the subrosa is about 100g more than the i23.

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    I will say that the i23's are a fantastic rim so far. Time will tell, but they are stiff and light with a nice wide profile.
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    Just put a set of Flows/Hope 2 Pro Evo on my GT Sanction and love everything about them! Very light and stiff. I have them set up tubeless and it was easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    im pretty much deciding the same thing. stans vs the i23's. but im also looking at the spank subrosa rim. just a tad lighter, but 30mm wide, look cool, and seem pretty damn strong. for me i think its between the i123's and subrosas
    Looks like another viable candidate.
    Do you know the inside dimension of the Spank rims?

    It's kind of stupid (and even misleading) for companies to use the outside rim width.
    That measurement means nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    I will say that the i23's are a fantastic rim so far. Time will tell, but they are stiff and light with a nice wide profile.
    I have been looking at the i23's for a while now, but the fact that they are sleeved and pinned vs welded has me a bit worried. I am also looking at the new Pacenti TL28 rims

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    Quote Originally Posted by pow77 View Post
    Dont froget you can get hope pro 2 evo hubs with flow rims for under $400, they are great, but I am biased .
    where would one find this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojotherider View Post
    where would one find this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pow77 View Post
    Dont froget you can get hope pro 2 evo hubs with flow rims for under $400, they are great, but I am biased .
    Where can you find this price?
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    Just bought hope evo and flow ex rims on CRC for 450. Shipping was free to the US.

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    You can get the flow wheelset with the stans 3.30 hubs from excel sports for 450 with the new EX rim, mine were delivered today. Their customer service is hard to beat, they swapped the front hub to the right axle size for free for me!

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    How do the flow ex rims look? I ordered an ex with ck laced with sapim bladed spokes. I'm looking forward to getting this rear wheel. How much did the flow ex wheel sets weigh?

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    Pic are needed for this thread!

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    ZTR Flows 100% Have had them for some time now and they work flawlessly!

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    Wiggle when they run 10% off wheels is the cheapest for the Flows on Hopes. Got a set for $400 free shipping, and they are straight pull, which I think is about $40 more expensive, so could easily be under $400. Their stock are EX's now as well.

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    i m using sun charger pro and i love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXXimus View Post
    i m using sun charger pro and i love it!
    I am also running a set of SUNRINGLE Charger PRO and so far (A couple of months) so good I have used them on 2 new different bikes now I am having a set of FLOWS w/CK's build so I will let you all know what I think after I ride those.
    I am hoping to love the POE on the CK hub but we'll see if it really makes such a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanpatrickb View Post
    Wiggle when they run 10% off wheels is the cheapest for the Flows on Hopes. Got a set for $400 free shipping, and they are straight pull, which I think is about $40 more expensive, so could easily be under $400. Their stock are EX's now as well.
    yep got mine from wiggle. Payed under $400 shipped to Australia! They are always having deals going.
    Great wheelset. Very happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxtar View Post
    No, they are the same width. The "23" in the WTBs stands for 23mm inside the rim, Flows actually measure 22.6mm inside
    Flow EX 25.5mm.

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    I put some charger pros on 2 months ago and love them so far. I have been riding through mud, snow and ice and the wheels still spin forever. I go about 210lbs geared up.

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    here are a couple of Pics of the charger pros on my stumpy fsr
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails stans flow wheels vs sun charger pro wheels ?-sr2.jpg  

    stans flow wheels vs sun charger pro wheels ?-sr1.jpg  


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    250lbs and my charger pros kick a$$. had them close to 2 years and no issues. i have re-greased the free hub two times though. Think i paid $450 for them. to me the 28mm external width is a benefit only american classic can match with their all mountain wheels. i have a set of charger pro sl on order too. i won't go near stans wheels with no eyelets and their narrower format.

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    Flow EX

    Unless I'm building carbon hoops, the Flow EX is a no-brainer.

    Awesome, wide rim.

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