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    Bonking ... not feelin' well SRAM X-0 Rear Derailleur MidCage ->Broken

    Today when riding with my friends I pulled out my rear X-0. The carbon fiber cage was broken in half.

    Is that normal?
    It's the first time I use one and to be honest it lasted 3 rides...the price is not cheap to break one of these pieces every 2nd other weekend.

    Is there any recommendation you want to make guys? I have the midcage one and I'm not the best all mountain guy in the world, just a normal user

    Thanks,

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    Don't use high-end weight weenie gear for all-mountain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    Don't use high-end weight weenie gear for all-mountain?
    yup, they make X9s for that, and they dont "just" break by the way
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    I learned about XO the hard way. To me there was no appreciable difference between X0 and X9. I've been rocking an X9 HARD for several years. The cage looks like it's been drug behind a truck but it's still shifting crisp. It's been so reliable despite being the ride I beat on the hardest. I'm sure it will tear off on my next ride now that I've jinxed myself, but even if it does, it doesn't owe me a THING.

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    sram's warranty is fantastic have your LBS call and they may replace.

    I have yet to really use my new x.o but i assume if everything is set up correctly (i.e. too little chain) the derailleur should not just break.

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    My carbon cage broke because of a forest floor stick!! Got the alloy cage as a replacement and it has held up very well. Personally I just don't think the carbon cage is strong enuff for real MTB-in.
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    i find the biggest advantage in performance is found in the shifter of the x0 vs. x9. i cant tell much of a difference between derailuers. I've been sticking to x9 mid cage derailuers though, for the durability of the metal cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23mjm
    My carbon cage broke because of a forest floor stick!! Got the alloy cage as a replacement and it has held up very well. Personally I just don't think the carbon cage is strong enuff for real MTB-in.
    I'll try to get one of these alloy cages and replace it...Thanks 23mjm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    Don't use high-end weight weenie gear for all-mountain?
    What do you use Halfrican?

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    This is turning into another carbon V aluminum hate thread I can see it coming..... Ive used XO with no problems at all infact I have a new set waiting for my next build which will be on a full carbon MTB frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    Don't use high-end weight weenie gear for all-mountain?
    the same high-end weight weenie gear is used for dh without issue for the most part. every derailleur will break or bend under the right conditions - except maybe the old saint.
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    The X0 with the aluminum cage is WAY STRONGER, than the brittle CF one. The 20 gram difference is well worth the extended ride time.
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    Try using a X9 cage on the X0 main body?

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    I had my XO CF cage break on the 2nd or 3rd ride on it. The derailleur is several years old (2003?) but I replaced the long cage with the CF medium cage a couple of years ago when I went to a 2 ring setup. SRAM warrantied the cage and sent me an alloy medium cage. It's been fine since.

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    JRA huh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor_Made
    What do you use Halfrican?
    He uses a pinch of sarcasm with no real useful, specific information

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba74
    He uses a pinch of sarcasm with no real useful, specific information

    I ride so hard that I have mine made from cast iron. I use grade 8 bolts to secure it to the frame, which is made from 1.25 x .25" DOM chromoly. I still break them now and then but that's the price you pay for being xtreme. Gotta break some eggs to make an omlette, nomsayin?

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    Mmmm, omlettes

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    I'm rockin the Saint M801 and lovin it! Strong as hell and shifts great! Since the 09's came out they are selling for about $25 which is a damn steal!!!
    mountain biking is not a crime, so quit giving me dirty looks before I bunnyhop your car

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    i dont know why anyone who doesnt work at a shop or ride as a pro would consider dropping that kind of cheese on a derailer if they hoped it wouldnt break. perhaps they would buy one knowing it is just as likely to break as any other derailer but want the bling so they sacrifice? i dunno..

    but for me and my 'all mtn' riding it would be silly to get anything much fancier than x7 or xt which holds up great and i dont have to work a week just to buy a new one if some unforeseen disaster should befall it.

    maybe i am just a crappy rider, i certainly have my moments, but rear derailers break! rocks and sticks dont care how expensive they are!

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    i have the one with carbon outer and alu inner cage. seems to flex less and in turn have more strength. i haven't had any issues so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e moneybags
    i dont know why anyone who doesnt work at a shop or ride as a pro would consider dropping that kind of cheese on a derailer if they hoped it wouldnt break. perhaps they would buy one knowing it is just as likely to break as any other derailer but want the bling so they sacrifice? i dunno..
    Maybe because it came with his bike that he bought?

    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...-bike-ec016799

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    Mine broke. I need to take it in to see if I can get it warrantied.

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    Exactly Bubba74...it came with the bike...

    I want to believe that when Michael Browne, brand manager at Trek, gave the ok for this product to be assembled in the bike was because they've made enough tests to ensure that it was strong enough, am I wrong?

    Anyway, the solution is clear, X-O body with the alloy midcage of the X-9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor_Made
    Exactly Bubba74...it came with the bike...

    I want to believe that when Michael Browne, brand manager at Trek, gave the ok for this product to be assembled in the bike was because they've made enough tests to ensure that it was strong enough, am I wrong?

    Anyway, the solution is clear, X-O body with the alloy midcage of the X-9
    are they replacing it under warranty? i know the cages are like $100 from sram. might be better off getting a whole new derailleur from ebay and save your as a backup for parts.
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    Don't use high-end weight weenie gear for all-mountain?
    A Carbon X-0 Came on my "All-Mountain" EX9.
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    In my experience the XO is more durable,I've broken several X9's and not one XO.our area is mostly rocky,steep and many logs.

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    Well I hope it was just a coincidence...an expensive one though!

    The LBS is saying that, well, how they know I haven't hit a rock...fair enough...

    I'm hoping to be able to assemble the X9 cage into the XO body, but we don't know if it'll fit, anyone has done this before?


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    x9 and x0 are essentially the same. it'll fit and it'll fit well.
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    I ripped the carbon mid-cage X-O off my Nomad 2 this past weekend when my hub cracked in half and locked up the freewheel. The X-O was fine. So I think you probably tagged a rock or log or something to break the cage.
    "It looks flexy"

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    How the **** did your hub break into two pieces??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    ...frame, which is made from 1.25 x .25" DOM chromoly...
    thats some hot steel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigiugueto
    How the **** did your hub break into two pieces??
    Just riding along man.... "JRA"
    "It looks flexy"

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    This thread is so dumb. X.O is plenty strong and it *DOES NOT* break just riding along. You have to really smash the **** out of it to break. I have one on my downhill bike that's hit the ground hard and still shifts problem free.

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    Get a basic derailleur, and check your hanger. A friend of mine killed 9 last summer, started at LX/XT and went to Acera, and now is singlespeeding it. 4 or 5 were trashed because of extra stress caused by a cracked (misaligned) hanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ?????
    This thread is so dumb. X.O is plenty strong and it *DOES NOT* break just riding along. You have to really smash the **** out of it to break. I have one on my downhill bike that's hit the ground hard and still shifts problem free.
    Thanks for your post, very constructive and adds a lot of value to this thread...it has to be that, I must be very dumb...

    On the other hand this thread was not for questioning if the X-O is good or bad, I just wanted to see if any other biker had the same problem as I had

    I won't deny that I broke it when changing gears, but I never hit anything with it, that's why I was surprised.

    Hey, but as you said, this thread is so dumb...(or you use your downhill bike to go to the corner shop...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor_Made
    Thanks for your post, very constructive and adds a lot of value to this thread...it has to be that, I must be very dumb...

    On the other hand this thread was not for questioning if the X-O is good or bad, I just wanted to see if any other biker had the same problem as I had

    I won't deny that I broke it when changing gears, but I never hit anything with it, that's why I was surprised.

    Hey, but as you said, this thread is so dumb...(or you use your downhill bike to go to the corner shop...)
    Your original post wasn't nearly as dumb as the responses to it from all of the anti-carbon crowd. Your carbon cage isn't going to break just riding along, and any hit hard enough to break the carbon cage is going to mangle an aluminum one so you're screwed either way.

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