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    Sr Suntour Durolux forks?

    Hello!

    I just bought an Intense Tracer Vp, with all the bells and whistles I could afford! It's gonna have a fox 32 FIT RLC Kashima TALAS QR15 150mm tapered bla bla bla! phew! So I got the front end covered.....for trail riding....but how about for some very light free riding I could do @ mammoth or maybe north star at tahoe? I would definitely want a larger fork!

    My dad can get some sr suntour stuff for cheap...and he told me those guys had a long travel fork...So looking @ their website I found the Durolux...with tapered steerer, 180 to 140 infinite travel adjust, air spring, cool aesthetics, and 20mm QR axle. Doesn't sound that bad....

    2009 fork reviews, send the fork to the stone age...pretty bad IMO, but this wouldn't be my main fork, so I would like to know if anybody has tried the newer stuff...

    I'm riding hope hubs so I can swap the end caps from qr15 to 20mm so thats no problem.

    Would this fork be worth the try? I can't get it free, so theres some loss if it turns out sh*tty...So help me out guys...and be honest, and don't comment just to thrash the brand just because your some fox freak, or rock shox junkie ok?

    Thanks much guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber
    , or rock shox junkie ok?
    i've used it and... oh, that discludes me... i'll keep my trap shut... sorry.
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    Google it. Even recent reviews are saying there is no damping. Basically, it's a beginner's fork that's nowhere near as good as a domain 180.

    Oh yeah, they still fall apart while riding. Too bad; I would have gotten one cheap and retrofitted damper parts from zoke or fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg
    i've used it and... oh, that discludes me... i'll keep my trap shut... sorry.
    hahaha don't worry, I'm just trying to be funny that's all!

    Yeah, the price and reputation really says it all....If I can get it for cheap...and I mean CHEAP, I'll give it a try....if it goes a little beyond the cheapness that I'm thinking off, I'll just save some money and get a used Fox 36 or RS Lyric with a tapered steerer!
    I mean, I'm investing big money on the Fox 32...So I'm really not looking to spend a lot on another fork just to have it as a longer travel spare and having a fox 36 (even a light float) as my main fork is too heavy and tall for the kind of riding I do.

    Oh, and I've been looking for reviews and all I found were two read worthy reviews...1 from bike taiwan or something, and another from bikeradar....both thrashing the fork. So...

    Is it just the damping....or does it really fall apart from riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber
    hahaha don't worry, I'm just trying to be funny that's all!

    Yeah, the price and reputation really says it all....If I can get it for cheap...and I mean CHEAP, I'll give it a try....if it goes a little beyond the cheapness that I'm thinking off, I'll just save some money and get a used Fox 36 or RS Lyric with a tapered steerer!

    Oh, and I've been looking for reviews and all I found were two read worthy reviews...1 from bike taiwan or something, and another from bikeradar....both thrashing the fork. So...

    Is it just the damping....or does it really fall apart from riding?
    Well, if you're thinking that price is the factor for you to try and throw at it, then you don't need assistance from others, and you didn't need to post this thread. You're only finding reviews in english, but it was panned around the world, in different languages. The german forums have some info onthat, with suntour joining and promising that the problems were glitches.

    Anyhow, you're set on it only because of price, so get one, and enjoy. Hope you have good dental and medical. Copays should be factored into operating costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junktrunk
    Hope you have good dental...
    Dad's a Dentist
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    I'm pretty much covered!

    I'm just trying to investigate a little about those forks...As a spare fork...
    But hey I don't want my teeth broken, or any ribs breaking! I'll probably should stick with a nice used fox or Rock Shox!
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    It doesn't have damping.

    It falls apart.

    What else do you want in a suspension fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junktrunk
    It doesn't have damping.

    It falls apart.

    What else do you want in a suspension fork?

    Sounds bad man!
    I'll try to stay away from those forks then

    Thanks junktrunk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber
    Dad's a Dentist
    Mom's a Dentist
    I'm a Dentist
    why are you concerned what it costs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg
    why are you concerned what it costs?
    +1


    Dentist budget fork is the Dorado, have a look.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Do you prefer sugarless gum for your patients who chew gum?

    Were you even contacted in that survey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg
    why are you concerned what it costs?
    I knew someone was gonna say that!


    I'm not finished yet...with school. I still have a little bit to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker
    Do you prefer sugarless gum for your patients who chew gum?

    Were you even contacted in that survey?

    Sugarless gum all the way!
    IMO chewing gum alone is bad for your teeth...but hey if you like chewing gum like I do, might as well be sugarless...

    And no, I don't work in the US, I work in Mexico. So no survey for me
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    i parking lot rode one. i was surprised how smooth the air spring felt, didnt notice any stiction.

    besides that, it has poo damping. whats falling apart on them? it would be a nice fork with some kind of franken damper stuffed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber
    I knew someone was gonna say that!


    I'm not finished yet...with school. I still have a little bit to go.
    You do realize that it's not only unethical to claim you're a dentist, as you did above, but illegal in many places? Do you do that in real life, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junktrunk
    You do realize that it's not only unethical to claim you're a dentist, as you did above, but illegal in many places? Do you do that in real life, too?
    you cant be serious.. really, no one cares

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    Is a Fox32 totally the wrong choice for light freeride? I'm just a trail rider so I wouldn't know, just curious if you would kill a Fox32 by using it that way.

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    light freeride is like saying light getting mauled by a bear. it kinda is or it isnt.

    if you're not freeriding or dirt jumping it, it'll be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olijay
    Is a Fox32 totally the wrong choice for light freeride? I'm just a trail rider so I wouldn't know, just curious if you would kill a Fox32 by using it that way.
    well I was considering a "heavier duty" fork for park riding or "light" freeriding...Larger jumps, drops, etc.

    I guess the fox 32 will do, but it's always better to have a larger fork in those situations right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by junktrunk
    You do realize that it's not only unethical to claim you're a dentist, as you did above, but illegal in many places? Do you do that in real life, too?
    calm down man!

    I finished my studies, I'm a dentist by diploma, I graduated...plus I'm not using this forum to promote myself...

    Let's just not talk about profession, work, etc. Someone mentioned teeth, and I said I didn't need Dental....Forgive me

    now....back to bikes?

    And no...it's not unethical to say I'm a Dentist, when I just graduated mkay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot
    you cant be serious.. really, no one cares
    THANK YOU One Pivot.....this is a biking forum right? Jeez
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    The Durolux

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/23352981?color=bc00f0" width="540" height="304" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/23352981">The suntour durolux</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user5268013">Nicholas Poetker</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p><p>A new fork for my Double!<br />The Suntour Durolux lowered from 180mm to 130mm to suit my double as an all around trial fr bike!<br />RideOn!</p>




    I lowered the durolux to 135 and she working like a charm on my double!
    RidEOn!

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    the new rca damper i think it is in the durolux looks pretty nice. if you can get it for free i say why not.

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    The damper in the Suntour is topnotch.
    Its really easy to overhaul and change the oil.
    I just bought the fork last week and raised the oil level a bit for a better progressive rate.
    The air system is very smooth and the entire fork ride just like my fox 36 float.

    The Durolux is a great fork for anyone and the stroke is super smooth.
    I was blown away at how smooth the fork is.
    RideOn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber
    And no, I don't work in the US, I work in Mexico. So no survey for me
    So you are not really a dentist, you just knock peoples teeth out with a rock?

    Kidding!

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    anyone who puts suntour on an Intense frame should be shot and then stabbed in the eye.
    it's like putting shitty walmart wheel covers on a ferrari.
    Consequences dictate our course of action and it doesn't matter what's right. It's only wrong if you get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by istandalone
    anyone who puts suntour on an Intense frame should be shot and then stabbed in the eye.
    it's like putting shitty walmart wheel covers on a ferrari.
    a fairly stupid statement considering the knolly team rides suntour

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    I have been waiting for reviews on the RCA damper. If it works as good as it should, Suntour might be able to turn around the low end stigma attached to their name.

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    The RCA damper is awesome man!
    Its very effective and smooth.
    The rebound works like it should and the compression goes from plush to a soft bobless feeling in 10 clicks, there are 15 clicks of compression overall.
    The damper itself splits into 2 and is really simple to change the oil.
    I filled my with scram 5wt and its working great.
    As for the air spring its the same you will find on alot of forks now.
    I have been riding a fox 36 180mm for the last year and the overall feeling is very very close.
    Im astonished at its performance and very nice quality in construction.

    Like any fork its takes time to adjust it perfectly, same with my 36 which cost 3 times the amount of the Durolux.
    If the long term test of hard riding, jumping and fun in the sun I have no need to purchase another high end name brand again!

    The Durolux is awesome!
    RidEOn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker
    The RCA damper is awesome man!
    Its very effective and smooth.
    The rebound works like it should and the compression goes from plush to a soft bobless feeling in 10 clicks, there are 15 clicks of compression overall.
    The damper itself splits into 2 and is really simple to change the oil.
    I filled my with scram 5wt and its working great.
    As for the air spring its the same you will find on alot of forks now.
    I have been riding a fox 36 180mm for the last year and the overall feeling is very very close.
    Im astonished at its performance and very nice quality in construction.

    Like any fork its takes time to adjust it perfectly, same with my 36 which cost 3 times the amount of the Durolux.
    If the long term test of hard riding, jumping and fun in the sun I have no need to purchase another high end name brand again!

    The Durolux is awesome!
    RidEOn!

    When you changed the oil in the damper cartridge, did you have access to the compression shim stack? If the shim stack is user tunable (and everything holds up to some abuse over time), it sounds like they may have a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    a fairly stupid statement considering the knolly team rides suntour
    yup. and they're paid to do so. doesn't change the fact they ride a crap fork.
    just like the golf pros who are paid to play Cleaveland clubs. they're paid to play them, and they're still junk.
    once this Durolux passes the test of time, then maybe i'll believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119
    When you changed the oil in the damper cartridge, did you have access to the compression shim stack? If the shim stack is user tunable (and everything holds up to some abuse over time), it sounds like they may have a winner.
    their qr axle system is pretty slick too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by istandalone
    yup. and they're paid to do so. doesn't change the fact they ride a crap fork.
    just like the golf pros who are paid to play Cleaveland clubs. they're paid to play them, and they're still junk.
    once this Durolux passes the test of time, then maybe i'll believe.
    have you ridden one? if not then you dont have a clue one way or another.

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    i've seen plenty of other suntour products that were total *****, so this fork probably follows suit.
    if it is actually quality, i'd be suprised. in most cases, once junk always junk.
    Consequences dictate our course of action and it doesn't matter what's right. It's only wrong if you get caught.

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    Yes, there are two shim stacks one on the bottom for the rebound and then a compression shim stack on top for compression, then there is a oil regulator in the middle that regulates the flow between the two!

    I didnt change anything with the shims yet and it seems to be riding very nice with 5wt oil.
    The rebound goes from very slow to popping fast like most other forks.
    Then the compression is very supple all the way open and becomes very stiff as you wind it down.
    All in all it is a winner!

    the 20mm axel is very simple, it blows others away, both fox and marzocchi have great qr systems but this is much faster and very stiff.

    I will post more riding videos as I ride!
    But here in Japan we are stuck in typhoon weather until Friday! No riding!



    RidEOn!

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    Dude your so negative over a fork you have never even tried.

    I have and still ride a fox 36 180mm on my banshee rune and I can honestly say the internals of the Durolux is the same but, with a full aluminum damper unlike the fit cartridge which has a rubber bladder that will never stand the test of time over full metal parts.
    The exterior of the fork is burly and has some nice lines.

    This is an aftermarket top quality fork being sold at a great price.
    Dont confuse it with the OEM models from suntours with elastomer dampening.

    Im a big dude and ride hard, if this fork last 10-12 months under me it will last most people 2-3 years.
    My fox after 10 months is riding very smooth but she is poping and creaking very badly.
    If I have to replace my suspension every year I would like to go as inexpensively as I can with a smooth action fork!

    I have just started riding it last week and the video I uploaded was just 2 hours around my neighborhood. So, like you said I too am leery about the test of time but, the build quality and parts used are just as good as any fox or marzocchi I have ever owned!

    I will test her to a bloody pulp and let you boys know how she holds up.
    so far its a smooth fully adjustable fork!
    RideOn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by istandalone
    i've seen plenty of other suntour products that were total *****, so this fork probably follows suit.
    if it is actually quality, i'd be suprised. in most cases, once junk always junk.
    Yes, you have, but your somewhat clueless about the high end products they have recently come out with. It's well known and talked about how suntour does a ton or oem low end stuff for budget bikes, recently they have introduced and high end suspension product to the market, that is what is being talked about here. I can't speak for the performance of it yet, but I'm pulling for it to be a winner. Another player in the quality suspension game means better innovation and hopefully lower prices through more competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/23352981?color=bc00f0" width="540" height="304" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/23352981">The suntour durolux</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user5268013">Nicholas Poetker</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p><p>A new fork for my Double!<br />The Suntour Durolux lowered from 180mm to 130mm to suit my double as an all around trial fr bike!<br />RideOn!</p>




    I lowered the durolux to 135 and she working like a charm on my double!
    RidEOn!
    Dude you sure can ride but get somebody to help you out with those cables and hoses, unless your doing mad bar spins.
    Whats this line for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronabrandt
    Dude you sure can ride but get somebody to help you out with those cables and hoses, unless your doing mad bar spins.



    hahahhahahhahah
    Thank you bro!
    My cables are fine, I have had them like this for many years now and yes to do bar spins.
    there was one bar spin in the video of just the fork!
    RideOn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by istandalone
    i've seen plenty of other suntour products that were total *****, so this fork probably follows suit.
    if it is actually quality, i'd be suprised. in most cases, once junk always junk.
    You're an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blksocks
    You're an idiot.
    funny, that's what you're mom was saying about you this morning
    Consequences dictate our course of action and it doesn't matter what's right. It's only wrong if you get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by istandalone
    funny, that's what you're mom was saying about you this morning
    You're too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by istandalone
    i've seen plenty of other suntour products that were total *****, so this fork probably follows suit.
    if it is actually quality, i'd be suprised. in most cases, once junk always junk.
    you are not the sharpest guy huh? i have seen plenty of crap oem rockshox, i guess that means they all suck. x fusion too, didnt they start as oem crap? suck suck suck.

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    Well.

    I have mixed feelings about this fork.

    I owned a 2008 model of that beast. Very well built, very solid, very light. Seriously, I was impressed. However it also proved to have serious brake-dive issues and its small bump sensitivity was very poor - lots of stanchion stiction. Good freeride fork tho - very progressive.

    I sold the beast and bought NOS marzo z150fr.

    However, later i saw some vids on the 2009 model which had simply phenomenal sensitivity, like here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpI_2Q7wZsw

    I am tempted the sf10 RCA Tapered model, but still cannot force myself to believe it will not be as much of a failure as the one I had.

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    Like any manufacture they slowly upgrade the quality of their products over time.
    2008 to 2011 has 3 years of technology put into the fork. I dont know much about the 08 model but the durolux 2011 is very plush and has very little stiction.
    The video you provided showed a very smooth acting fork with a nice stable ride that was eating all the small chatter and ramped up for some the square edge hits.

    For the 2011 model that I have its a single chamber air spring so, one way to avoid excessive fork dive is to add more oil inside the air chamber.
    The same which I had to do to my fox float as well.
    This makes the air chamber smaller giving a firmer standing progressive rate with a nice ramp up, (just like when adding more air to your IFP chamber on your rear shock). I add just enough oil that I still get full travel but there is no bottom out just a soft bottomless feeling.
    Also it has a very tunable low speed compression damper which will help fork dive right away. Full open is very plush for some rocky DH and then 6-10 clicks give a good dampened stroke. I keep mine at 4-8 clicks for FR and DH and then 10 for climbing.
    The same amount of compression I use on my fox with the fit damper as well.

    Im seriously when I say it feels just as smooth as my 2011 fox 36 float, aahahhahhahah
    Im blown away. Im even using exactly same amount of air pressure. 90psi for 200lbs rider.

    I bought this fork on a whim after researching it and if lower end forks have become this great I personally dont need to purchase a top end fork again.

    The build quality is congruent to other brands on the market. As you know from your 08 model.
    Dont get me wrong I love all suspension and all the brands.
    But I have found a fork that rides jsut as good as the top brands with a much more affordable price!
    Like I have stated before the long term test of this fork is still has to prove its self.
    I have been on 2 boxxers, 3 66's of different year models both air and coil, 2 55's, z-150's, DJpers, and well the list goes on. pikes, psylos, dukes, hahahahahahaha


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    I have had her for about 2 weeks now.
    The video was my very first ride and out of the box there was no stiction with the seals.

    One gripe so far is the rebound adjuster does not have detents, its just a free twist but so was my 55 ata! a 800 dollar fork.

    Time will tell how reliable she is but, like I said the internals are made of all metal with some nice features that make it really easy to service.
    The build is of quality so, Im confident it will be a good fork for a while now.

    Here in Japan we just had a typhoon pass by so I was in 5 days of pure rain and heavy summer like humidity.
    I will get some more rides on her and some more video footage as well.
    RideOn!
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    google Nicholas and you will see he has worthy input... although he may get the fork for free or really cheap.
    Whats this line for?

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    http://www.pinkbike.com/video/195246/

    here I posted the video here too which got a lot of comments.

    I purchased the Durolux out of curiosity as the system looked very good.
    To my surprise I bought a top notch fork at a low price.
    Here in Japan I paid full price for this and all of my parts used on my bike.
    Im an English teacher and a suspension tech on the side.
    I service a lot of forks and when I see a quality product I know.

    This fork is a replica of the 2011 55 tst2 with some minor differences.
    Once I realized that my interested was raised to the point I bought one as a shot travel fork for my TBC double.
    Now looking at it from an internal point of view and of course a personal ride, Im confident this is a killer fork for anyone who wants a smooth travel thats great for AM style XC to FR styled DH in the travel range of 130 to 180 as it can be adjusted very simply.

    On pinkbike I have pictures of this fork in detail!
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    ^that would make sense, doesnt suntour make some carts and stuff for zocchi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    ^that would make sense, doesnt suntour make some carts and stuff for zocchi?

    Yes, some of their low end forks have a suntour sealed cartridge.
    It works really good but as its a sealed gas charged unit its impossible to service.
    Unless you have a way to fill the air chamber which seems impossible to me!

    I think for 2011 marzocchi did away with the cartridge and went back to their RV open bath system which is very smooth but still might use the cartridge in their OEM models.

    The RCA system is the same as their TST damper but has a smoother compression rate rather than the lockout like the tst. Its easy to overhaul and is super smooth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker

    The RCA system is the same as their TST damper but has a smoother compression rate rather than the lockout like the tst. Its easy to overhaul and is super smooth!

    RidEOn!
    the micro tst damper right? from full open with variable compresion. the tst cart is just full open or locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    the micro tst damper right? from full open with variable compresion. the tst cart is just full open or locked.


    Yes, the same as the TST damper.
    The RCA has 15 clicks of slow speed compression.
    The TST micro has 5 click of compression with a micro adjuster to fine tune the compression in between each click of the 5.

    For me the 15 clicks are much easier to understand and easy to relate to.
    The TST mico sound awesome but its just a sales gimmick to something very simple.
    The TST good point is it locks out in a second for a nice climb!

    The RCA on the other hand is more FR orientated as the compression more to set the overall feel of the ride.
    I went for a short ride this afternoon and had the RCA on 6 clicks in from full open the whole ride. I was jumping, climbing, peddling, dropping and having fun.
    It felt perfect.

    The Durolux also feels very light.
    As I was riding today I was surprised by how light she felt and responded to each movement!

    Tomorrow Im taking her to the mountains so, I will have a new video on the fork in about 3-4 days!

    RidEOn!
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    What about rebound ? Does it have shims or is it just an port orifice damper ?

    EDIT:
    Thanks mullen119. Sorry, I didn't have time to read the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuco
    What about rebound ? Does it have shims or is it just an port orifice damper ?

    QUOTE=nicholas poetker]Yes, there are two shim stacks one on the bottom for the rebound and then a compression shim stack on top for compression, then there is a oil regulator in the middle that regulates the flow between the two!


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    The Durolux

    Last week I got 3 good rides in on the Durolux!
    All in all she is awesome!
    What else can I say. The fork has a smooth air spring and a very plush progressive stroke!
    Lowered to 140mm she is feeling great on My double as a do anything FR bike!



    Here is a short video of my 3 rides!


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    Do they have a "on the fly" adjustable travel version?

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    The Durolux!

    Yes, there is an adjustable version but mine is the RCA!
    I think the RCA is probably smoother is why I got it!

    For xc am riding the travel adjust might be cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90
    Haha cool man, I was waiting for the follow up vid on it.


    Thank you!
    I think this for is great.
    The value is well over the price for such a smooth sailer!

    I will continue to ride her and tear it up, hahahahhahhaha
    RideOn the Durolux!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker
    Yes, there is an adjustable version but mine is the RCA!
    I think the RCA is probably smoother is why I got it!

    For xc am riding the travel adjust might be cool!
    I would want adjustable travel with the RCA damper. I don't see myselft wanting to replace my u-turn lyrik anytime soon, but if I did, I would think about durolux.

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    they look like they are better quality than what I have seen. The decideding factor when I bought my bike was the fork one had a SR Suntour and the other had a rock shock. I went with the RS just because I was skeptical about them. Didn't know much about them. So one day walking through target I saw some on their bikes. Said to myself I'm getting the Scott Scale. I'm not saying they are Target quality, but if they are free then get them, what can go wrong? If you don't like them take them off. P.S. could you get me some too?
    60% of the time ......it works all the time

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    Whats involved in changing the travel on the RCA version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee
    Whats involved in changing the travel on the RCA version?

    Its pretty simple!
    You take out the air spring as you can see in my first video on the front page.
    There is a l negative coil spring that stops on a black head. The head has a pin running through it.
    1- you take out the pin which allows the black head to move freely.
    2- on the rod you will notice there are 3 holes.
    The very top hole is the 180mm setting.
    the second hole is the 160mm setting and the last or bottom is 140mm setting.
    3-choosing your setting and put the pin back into the hole raising or lowering your travel.

    In addition you can add spacers to get an even lower or exact setting if you choose.
    I added a 5mm spacer because I wanted a 520mm axel to crown for my double set at the 140mm setting giving my 135mm of travel.

    4- reassemble the fork and Go Ride! ahhahahhahaha


    If any of you every actually buy the fork and do need real assistant I can do a video of how to lower the fork and also how to take apart the RCA damper to change the oil or raise the oil level.
    But, as I have her set in a nice sweet spot right now that wont be for a while, I want to ride!


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    im seriously tempted to give it a try. definitely a top contender for my next fork.

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    The Reaper

    Last Tuesday I went for a short 2 hour ride!
    The Durolux is feeling great!
    Its really plush and very smooth!
    My double is loving the long travel!



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    Thank you mate!

    I love to ride!
    And while relaxing after work with a nice cold one I got to town on the edits!
    ahhahahaha
    Its kind of crazy but fun as well!

    RidEOn man!

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    Do you live in Japan? I stay in Narita most of the time. My friend is using a Durolux as well. Really great fork and has been problem free so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikkosan View Post
    Do you live in Japan? I stay in Narita most of the time. My friend is using a Durolux as well. Really great fork and has been problem free so far.
    Yes, I have been living in Fukuoka are for about 10 years now!
    Narita is quite far but if your ever down this way lets ride.
    I have 2-3 bikes built and ready to go at all times so you can ride anyone of my bikes!

    the durolux is still new to me but so far Im very impressed with its smooth progressive stroke.
    the rebound and compression is easy and works hassle free.
    the air spring is the same!
    The the durolux is riding great for me too!
    RidOEn dude!

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    durolux questions

    Hi Nicholas

    First of all thnx for being the only guy on the net who can tell something usefull about the durolux and actually have one. I was looking for days for reviews and there is only one about the sf9 and its not very positive. And there are like a 1000 people who have never used one/seen one but can tell you with a lot of detail its rubbish.
    But because of your positive reviews, the incredible price and the good experience i've had over the years with the old suntour stuff I took the gamble and man this look like a hell of a fork

    I've just received my fork today but they have send me an durolux sf10 rca and i've ordered an sf 11 tad.
    So I mailed them and they offered me to swap it.
    But when I was looking at the suntour website I noticed that there is no sf 11 with an 1 1/8 steerer tube.
    Do you no if there is one because if there isn't i'm going to stick with the sf10.
    Is there a big difference between the 10 and 11 version?

    If I stick with the 10 version on which side can I adjust the length? In your video it looks like its the side with the air valve is this correct.

    I hope you don't mind me asking all these questions if you do please let me know and I wont bother you again.

    Sorry if there is a lot of bad English in this mail, i'm from holland .

    Thanx in advance
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    id stick with the 10. rca looks better than tad.

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    rca better than tad

    in what way does it look better?
    Better in quality?
    better in the name?
    or better in looks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    in what way does it look better?
    Better in quality?
    better in the name?
    or better in looks?
    The RCA is a much better damper then what comes in the TAD. Your better off with what they sent you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    in what way does it look better?
    Better in quality?
    better in the name?
    or better in looks?
    rca has a shim stack damper very similar to a micro tst. tad on the other hand has a rather primitive damper similar to other low end stuff.

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    Dunno why they can't have a tad with rca damper.

    Got the RCA version of the forks last week for my brothers bottlerocket, they came set at 140 travel tho for some reason. Changed them today up to 180mm travel pin was quite hard to knock out but Nicholas had some tips for that, otherwise they are very easy to take apart and put back together. I think if we were to take them down to 160 we would just use some spacers rather than fiddle with the pin again.

    The qloc seems very nice but the button can get quite stiff when dirt/sand gets into it. Hopefully spare parts wont be too hard to get for them here in NZ like the newer dust seals for them.

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    rca

    I'll stick with the 2010 rca
    Your sure the 2011 TAD doesn't has a new damper.

    Which side of the vork do I need to open to change the travel?
    180 is a bit to long for my frame.

    btw is there a sf11 rca edition or is the sf11 only in tad?
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    Suntour does in fact make some decent forks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    I'll stick with the 2010 rca
    Your sure the 2011 TAD doesn't has a new damper.

    Which side of the vork do I need to open to change the travel?
    180 is a bit to long for my frame.

    btw is there a sf11 rca edition or is the sf11 only in tad?


    Thank you for the great feedback,
    Im sorry I didn't answer you right away but I just saw this in my e-mail.

    The RCA is great because it has simple adjustment for rebound and compression.
    As for the TAD Im very sorry I have never seen one or even looked into it because my interest was in the RCA.

    As for the internal travel adjust its on the left side if you were sitting on the bike which is the air spring.
    On the air's rod is a top out negative spring with a black head and a pin running through it.
    There is also 3 holes on the rod giving you the adjustments of 140mm on the lower hole, 160mm on the middle and 180mm on the top hole.
    If you had a spacer of say 10mm you could actually do a 180-170-160-150-140-130 giving you lots of adjustment.

    My Durolux is set at 135mm right now and on my Double its awesome.
    Light very responsive and rides really light.
    I love it and loved even more, hahahhahahah

    Yesterday I went for a short 2 hour street session and the fork saw lots of jumps drops and other fun taking it like any top end fork should. hhahahah

    RidEOn man.
    Your English is great and don't bother asking anything.
    If not I someone will answer you properly.

    Please enjoy your new fork!

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    Change length

    Hi Nicholas and everybody else who is kind enough to reply

    Do I need to open it from the top to get acces to the rod.
    Or do I need to remove the lower legs?
    And if I need to remove the lower legs is it -+ the same as the video for the "Convert travel of Axon & Epicon" on the video manual page from suntour which I cant link to because I've just joined this forum.
    Or if you have the time for it could you sum up in which order I need to unscrew what?

    Btw I was mailing with suntour about the sf11 and they told my you can put an rca damper in the sf11 tad (which is an sf9 with an tapered steere) not that I'm planning on doing it (i already have the rca) butI was wondering if you replace it with an rca do you lose the possibility to adjust your travel on the fly? Or will you get the best of both worlds?


    Thanks in advance.
    Its great to have a community that helps you out.

    Wybren

    PS I will ride on (as soon as I have my fork lowered )

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    Its from the bottom, you have to take the legs off.

    Not much to unscrew just the two bolts at he base of each leg then the cap on the bottom of the stanction that keeps the rod in and thats it. Hardest bit is the pushing out of the pin.

    With RCA and TAD they are different, RCA is a damper and TAD airspring, TAD on rca fork would have the best of both worlds.

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    thnx helltoupee

    Do I have to give the 2 bolds a polite hit with an plastic hammer after unscrewing it a bit and then the rest or is just unscrewing it enough?

    And do need to get the oil out first or is the oil only in the upper part?
    And if I need to do so is it wise to have some extra oil around to fill up the maybe spilled oil.
    What kind of oil do you recommend to do so mineral or synthetic.
    Is it the same oil as in your car engine or something special.
    Its around 15 degrees now in Holland.

    Sorry for being a noob when it comes to forks this is the first fork I'm going to service myself. And hope fully there are more to come.

    thanks again
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    Unscrewing them is enough i found.

    Most oils in the damper which is self contained theres just a bit of oil to lube things in the spring side shouldn't really spill anywhere i dunno what the oil types in there are. I

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    cool I have time tomorrow to change my fork.
    Thanks I'l keep you posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    cool I have time tomorrow to change my fork.
    Thanks I'l keep you posted
    Yes, you need to first unscrew the 2 bolts on either side and you might need to hit them slightly, mine too came out easily.

    then take off take off the lower legs and there is no oil in the bottom or oil that would fly around but just incase take the lowers off slowly and have an oil pan underneath which is always a good measure when working on suspension.

    with the lowers off you will see the stanchions and the 2 rods sticking out.
    looking at the front the RCA damper is on the left and the air spring rod is on the right.

    release any air in the air spring and remove the top cap.
    inside this chamber is the grease lubrication.
    I use slick honey throughout the entire fork and scram 5wt oil in the RCA damper assembly.

    Next you will push the air rod from the bottom all the way out of the fork.
    you will need something long and skinny to push it through the forks stanchions and do this over the oil pan for sure as the grease will come out in excess.

    once you push it all the way through you can try wiping off as much oil or grease as you would like to save. If you buy some slick honey just you will have enough to reassemble the fork.

    Wipe the entire air rod clean as if its sticky and slippery its hard to work on.

    you will then have a clean air rod.
    The very top has a black head the comes off and this is the air piston that seals the air in the system making the positive air chamber.

    looking down you will then see the air rods negative coil spring.
    This spring allows for a great balance between the positive and negative forces making a smooth acting fork.

    just above the negative spring there is a black head with a pin running through it.
    this is the travel adjust top out.

    you can lower your fork 2 way.

    -first remove the pin and lower the black head to the second hole for 160mm or to the 3rd hole for 140mm
    this is the standard manual way suntour has set up and a very simple effective system.

    -second you add a spacer, I use pvc piping or plastic plumbing piping and cut a 10mm 20mm 30mm however you want to lower the fork.
    You would place this spacer in-between the black head and the negative spring.
    this will lower the fork all the same as moving the pin.

    I recommend the first way as its suntours special set up.

    to remove the pin you will need a punch or something that fits on the lip of the pin and will push through the hole.

    I used a small screw and pushed the pin through in my vice.
    I placed a small socket on one end to catch the pin and then the screw on the other end and pushed it through in the vice.

    Or you can just hammer it through.
    but , you need something on the other end with a hole to allow the pin to go all the way through.

    a small piece of a 2x4 with a hole in it will work great.

    after you remove the pin at your desired setting.
    grease the rod and build her up!

    I use slick honey grease and I add a lot to keep the system lubed very well.

    Make sure everything is tight and the fork should be a smooth runner!


    RideOn Stormeporm

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    how does this fork compare to a rs totem, marz 66, fox 36float?
    2011 transition 250
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    The Durolux is just as burly with thick 35mm legs.
    Its chassis is very stout and the overall ride is just as smooth.

    I have had 3 66's and they were always strong and very smooth.
    The open bath coil has a very unique feel but due to the sloshing of oil can feel sluggish if set up improperly.

    I am also riding a 180 36 now and the durolux has the same air spring system.
    So, the overall ride is 90% the same.
    The fit cartridge is very smooth but the RCA on the Durolux suits my needs awesome.

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    Hi thanks Nicholas for the superb explanation.
    I'm going to change the fork this afternoon.

    You guys rock! with out your help this would be quite a gamble for me.

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    RideOn dude!

    Please post a picture of your bike when complete!!

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    Woot i've got it done.
    With your explainations it was quite easy.
    I tried at first to push the rod out at the top but the air piston got stuck so I tried what helltoupee said and that worked (unscrew the bottom cap and pul the rod out of the bottom)
    I've done some test rides yesterday around the house an took some stairs up and down but Iím taking her to the mud this evening.
    Man this vork is super plush and way stiffer than my old fork. Which is telling more about the old one than the new one I think (duke 2004 SL which was beyond replacement)

    I was wondering how big is the difference between the compression knob full open or closed this because I didnít notice much of a difference.

    And if you go riding do you remove the rebound adjustment knob? this because I list mine yesterday.
    Probably because I turned it and didn't push it in afterwards (I found it back this morning )

    For pictures check these links (you have to copy paste them because I cant post links yet)
    staff.science.uva.nl/~wbuijs/DSC04026.JPG
    staff.science.uva.nl/~wbuijs/DSC04028.JPG

    Its an on one 456 frame with an slacker head angle so you can downhill and take a sip of water at the same time
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    Sounds great brother!
    Im glad we were able to help.
    And yes this fork is super plush!!!!

    The bottom cap you unscrewed to pulled out the rod can come lose again so make sure its tight.
    As for the rebound I put a black o-ring on there and that keeps her in very tight!

    The fork is a smooth sailer and I hope you come to love as do I.
    I will try and look at your pictures!
    RidEOn man!

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    add oilt to air chamber

    Hi Nicholas

    How much oil did you add to the air chamber.
    And did you replace everything with new oil plus a bit more or did you just add some to the oil already there?
    This because I'm 85 kg's and when I took a flat drop of 1 meter on the concrete I bottomed it out. This was a bit my own mistake but I thought it might be better to make sure it doesn't happen again so quickly. And I'll stop doing flats on concrete.

    I took it to the mud yesterday, This fork is totally kick ass. Super stiff and it eats everything you throw at it with a big smile on my face. Cant wait to go for a ride tomorrow.

    I've got the bottom cap in very tight, this while it went of very easy I didn't have/had (?) to apply much force to get it off.

    Greetings Wybren
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    Oil

    I added just enough oil or in my case grease to the air chamber to fill the inner stanchion when fully compressed.

    So, take off the top cap and compress the fork all the way.
    Then add fork oil the heavier the better.
    I added slick honey.
    Fill the inner tube up until the screws where the top cap screws in.

    This should make the fork very progressive.
    So, you will have the same plush beginning stroke but a firm bottom with out a clank.

    -Also I added more oil to the right side as well.
    Im 95 kg and have the same problem.

    The RCA damper comes apart really easy.
    Just a little more oil in you will get full stroke without a bottom out.
    However you must be very careful as too much oil will have you bottoming out way to early. Meaning you wont get full stroke.

    Try adding oil or a combo of oil and grease to the air camber.
    I would still use the original grease as its new.

    If you still get bottoming I will tell you how to overhaul the RCA damper.


    RideOn!

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    Thnx again.
    I hope Iíll never start annoying you your the best help ever.

    You should put this information in a wiki.
    Call it Nicholas his super suntour service wiki.
    If you donít do it I'm willing to do it for you. So I cant forget how it was done and others can read it easily.
    I'll start taking pictures the next time Iíve got my fork disassembled

    Greetings Wybren

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    Thnx again.
    I hope Iíll never start annoying you your the best help ever.

    You should put this information in a wiki.
    Call it Nicholas his super suntour service wiki.
    If you donít do it I'm willing to do it for you. So I cant forget how it was done and others can read it easily.
    I'll start taking pictures the next time Iíve got my fork disassembled

    Greetings Wybren


    Thank you stormeporm!

    I don't know what a wiki is but, yes if this a great source to help other people that would be great.http://forums.mtbr.com/images/smilies/smile5.gif
    Please tell me what to do or see if you put it in a Wiki!
    Also if its a proper place for documentation we can re write it to better suit its purpose!
    thank you very much!

    RideOn,
    Nicholas

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    My commute

    My 2 hour commute on the TBC Double equipped with the awesome

    Suntour Durolux



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    RideOn

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