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    My commute

    My 2 hour commute on the TBC Double equipped with the awesome

    Suntour Durolux



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    RideOn

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    wiki

    Hi Nicholas

    With wiki I ment a page on wikipedia.
    Not that I've ever made one before but hey there's a first time for everything.
    And there's an good explaination on how to do it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ing_an_article

    I'll make a list tomorrow of stuff there's on the forum already post it here review it add some pictures and start a page

    Nice edit btw.

    Greetings Wybren

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    Hi Nicholas

    With wiki I ment a page on wikipedia.
    Not that I've ever made one before but hey there's a first time for everything.
    And there's an good explaination on how to do it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ing_an_article

    I'll make a list tomorrow of stuff there's on the forum already post it here review it add some pictures and start a page

    Nice edit btw.

    Greetings Wybren

    I think that would be great Wybren.
    I would love to make a page and proper explanation on how to use this fork.
    I think I will make a video or picture slide show explaining how to overhaul the fork.
    It would take time but its very feasible.

    Please go ahead and look into making a page just tell me what I could do to help.
    This is a great fork and we can help make it better by letting people know all about it!

    RideOn mate!

    Niko!

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    Seems like a fork for rookies,mainly

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    Quote Originally Posted by NR 750 View Post
    Seems like a fork for rookies,mainly
    so you a pro then dude?

    Right On!

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    My next fork will be this. Mark my words. Your inspiring nick keep up the great work.
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    wiki setup

    I've made a first setup for the wiki page.
    Feel free to add and comment or tell me I've done something stupid. I've probably forgotten some stuff or added bogus.
    If you want to help editing stuff let me know.

    For the moment I can do the introduction and about the fork.
    I'll try to explain the differences on the dampers but I think you (nicholas)will have to add some since your knowledge about them is much better.

    Nicholas if you can write the howto's with pictures and video's
    You don't have to post the video's and pictures here, because I think we can upload them to wikipedia so the article is not depending on this forum to exist. I have to check this.

    I'll start a wikipage tomorrow it time to go to bed now, and I'm trying to safe someone crashed hard drive. Which makes a more awful sound than my fork bottoming out.

    If you post the text or pm them to me I´ll put them in a decent html layout and upload them.

    Greetings Wybren
    TypeOn

    Setup:

    introduction
    • short history
    • specs
    • nice photo


    About the fork:

    • Different versions of the durolux.
    • sf9
    • sf10
    • sf11


    • Explanation of the dampers.
    • tad damper
    • rca damper

    • The Qloc


    Pro's

    Con's

    Howto's
    • Lowering the fork
    • Adding spacers for custom heights
    • Adding oil to the air chamber to prevent nose dives and bottoming it out. ( I haven't done this yes so I'll take pictures probably this week I found a place who has proper oil)
    • Overhauling the damper
    • servicing
    • regular service
    • big service.

    Oil types to use?

    Stuff I forgot

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormeporm View Post
    I've made a first setup for the wiki page.
    Feel free to add and comment or tell me I've done something stupid. I've probably forgotten some stuff or added bogus.
    If you want to help editing stuff let me know.

    For the moment I can do the introduction and about the fork.
    I'll try to explain the differences on the dampers but I think you (nicholas)will have to add some since your knowledge about them is much better.

    Nicholas if you can write the howto's with pictures and video's
    You don't have to post the video's and pictures here, because I think we can upload them to wikipedia so the article is not depending on this forum to exist. I have to check this.

    I'll start a wikipage tomorrow it time to go to bed now, and I'm trying to safe someone crashed hard drive. Which makes a more awful sound than my fork bottoming out.

    If you post the text or pm them to me I´ll put them in a decent html layout and upload them.

    Greetings Wybren
    TypeOn

    Setup:

    introduction The Suntour Durolux RCA 180mm of plush fully active travel with a great air spring, Rebound and Compression.

    • short history The Durolux is a nice low cost but very awesome riding fork.
      I have been riding it since April of 2011 and so far find it to be stiff, full adjustable, burly and a pleasure to ride.
    • specs= The Durolux is a versatile fork that can be used from XC all the way to DH!
      180mm of adjustable travel that can be lowered internally in 20mm increments from 180mm to 140mm by moving the negative springs top out bumper.
      Suntour had done a wonderful job making it serviceable and easy for most people to overhaul and adjust.

      The fork has 35mm stanchion legs with a nice slick golden surface!
      External adjustments=
      Rebound on the bottom of the right leg
      Compression on the top of the right leg
      Air adjustment on the top of the left leg.
      Internal adjustments=
      Travel from 140mm up to 180mm
      RCA damper oil overhaul.
    • nice photo


    About the fork:

    • Different versions of the durolux.
    • sf9
    • sf10
    • sf11


    • Explanation of the dampers.
    • tad damper
    • rca damper is a full adjustable damper with external Rebound and Compression. The Compression has 15 clicks to a nice firm platform.
      Rebound spins free and goes from full open super fast to full closed super slow.

    • The Qloc


    Pro's

    Con's

    Howto's
    • Lowering the fork
    • Adding spacers for custom heights
    • Adding oil to the air chamber to prevent nose dives and bottoming it out. ( I haven't done this yes so I'll take pictures probably this week I found a place who has proper oil)
    • Overhauling the damper
    • servicing
    • regular service=
      would include cleaning of the fork.
      air pressure checking every couple of rides.
      a light grease of the seals with slickhoney to keep it smooth.
    • big service.
      disassembly of the fork and a full cleaning of all the seals and changing
      the grease.
      An oil overhaul for the RCA damper.
      About 6-months to a year depending on your regularity of rides.

    Oil types to use?
    Grease slick honey.
    Oil any proper frok oil.
    Scram oil 5wt is what I am using in the RCA damper.

    Stuff I forgot









    You did a wonderful job.
    I don't have any pictures at the moment but I think we could get some very easily.
    Tell me what else we need to do!
    RideOn man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90 View Post
    My next fork will be this. Mark my words. Your inspiring nick keep up the great work.
    That would be cool man!
    The fork is stiff and rides very nice.
    Like any fork or new product once set up properly for you bike and style it will perform to the utmost ability.
    The air spring really helps this matter!

    RidEOn!

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    Hey man,
    Hope you can keep this up. I'm planning to get this fork for my do-it-all bike and i'd love to learn how to service it my self. If you can, please do a step by step tutorial with pictures so noobs like me can follow it.
    Thanks a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vonichi View Post
    Hey man,
    Hope you can keep this up. I'm planning to get this fork for my do-it-all bike and i'd love to learn how to service it my self. If you can, please do a step by step tutorial with pictures so noobs like me can follow it.
    Thanks a lot.


    hhahhahahaha
    I don't think your a noob but yes, I plan on doing a picture or even video tutorial of how to
    change the travel, change the internal oil on the RCA damper and overhaul the fork completely.
    But, my fork is running so smooth right now I have no desire to overhaul and take it apart.
    I have it set up smooth and progressive and she is a blast to ride!
    I hope you enjoy the fork.
    In words I have described how to overhaul it here on this forum so, please ask if you have any questions. Im sure I can help.

    here are some pictures from last weekends ride that my buddy took !
    Im on my Durolux!


    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/6873692/


    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/6873687/



    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/6873695/

    My fork is riding very smooth at the moment and cant tell you when a tutorial will be
    but, I promise I will make one just for the Suntour teaching the necessary techniques.
    RideOn man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker View Post
    That would be cool man!
    The fork is stiff and rides very nice.
    Like any fork or new product once set up properly for you bike and style it will perform to the utmost ability.
    The air spring really helps this matter!

    RidEOn!
    Nick, a (not so) interesting review from bikeradar here:
    http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...-fork-11-45003
    What do you think..?

    Personally, the Durolux deserve a more thorough test and find out why such (could be isolated) issue existed. They don't even try to explain how the components configure the whole fork (like when they tested the big brand).
    I see the fork potential, I got it couple of weeks ago and after more than "few-Bikeradar-test-days" thrashing and bashing, it's still hold up fine to the point I like it more than my Talas 36 and Marz66,
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    Quote Originally Posted by softailteamrider View Post
    Nick, a (not so) interesting review from bikeradar here:
    http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...-fork-11-45003
    What do you think..?

    Personally, the Durolux deserve a more thorough test and find out why such (could be isolated) issue existed. They don't even try to explain how the components configure the whole fork (like when they tested the big brand).
    I see the fork potential, I got it couple of weeks ago and after more than "few-Bikeradar-test-days" thrashing and bashing, it's still hold up fine to the point I like it more than my Talas 36 and Marz66,



    Thats a very bad review on BikeRadar I have to agree!
    I too read it before buying the durolux.
    They left out lots of important details like you said.
    I think they also failed to give it a full test with a preconception of its a cheep fork.

    As for me I too love it.
    The new 2012 model has high and low speed compression so my next fork for my Rune will be the 2012 model once my 36 float goes out on me.
    The float is still rocking great at a year old but I will never pay the price I did for it again.
    The Durolux is very sufficient and rides very smooth.
    I have been on mine for 3-4 months now and love it.

    Im also very interested in the Durolux air shock.
    I have roco air's on both of my bikes and love it.
    Im curious to see how it compares to the roco!
    But, cant find it being sold anywhere.

    Im sold man,
    Suntour has great top notch suspension at a great price and low weight to the burly strength.
    Just many people cant get over the name! hahahhaah
    RidEOn!
    Niko

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker View Post

    The new 2012 model has high and low speed compression so my next fork for my Rune will be the 2012 model once my 36 float goes out on me.
    The float is still rocking great at a year old but I will never pay the price I did for it again.
    The Durolux is very sufficient and rides very smooth.
    I have been on mine for 3-4 months now and love it.
    RidEOn!
    Niko
    Bikeradar may return with different opinion in next 6 months with the 2012 Durolux. Suntour should come back to them with the right sample. Their review on the Durolux TAD on 2009 was better than this recent RCA review.

    Yes the 2012 Durolux is very tempting with separate high and low compression adjustment. I don't see how it will be that much different on performance with others big brand, given the reliability though.
    I should've wait the 2012 out, but no remorse since I got it pretty cheap, almost 1/4th of my Talas 36 price .. For the value of the money it's unbeatable.
    It's on the Mach 5.7 now (as a testing rig). I may get the 2012 one for my Nomad v-1
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    Do you think you'd be able to buy the new cartridge from the 2012 ones, to fit in my 2010?

    And I'd like to know how much suspension fluid you put into the damper side?
    Obviously I'm not the same weight as you, but I'd like to guage how much you've put in. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyCloud View Post
    Do you think you'd be able to buy the new cartridge from the 2012 ones, to fit in my 2010?

    And I'd like to know how much suspension fluid you put into the damper side?
    Obviously I'm not the same weight as you, but I'd like to guage how much you've put in. thanks


    That would be cool, but I have no idea where to by small parts for these forks.
    The new damper most likely fits but I don't know if they sell it.

    As for the damper I put 110ml or just a little over a half a cup of 5wt oil.
    It will be same for anyone as the amount increased is very minute.
    Any more and you will not get full travel.
    But at 110 you also don't get a harsh clack on bottom instead it feels bottomless.

    I actually filmed myself overhauling the RCA damper last weekend and need to edit it.


    RideOn!

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    I just followed your advice, I put 15wt in the top of the air chamber and it does feel a lot better.
    I attatched a picture, can't link because I don't have 10 posts
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Sr Suntour Durolux forks?-img_0180.jpg  


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    Awesome bottlerocket man!
    Looks like my bike, hahahhahahahha

    The extra oil in the air side will make it very progressive and have a nice bottomless feeling.
    But if you put too much it will bottom too soon.
    Also the extra oil in my opinion gives the bike a much firmer ride while still maintaining the plush sensitivity the fork has!

    Good job man!

    In the next couple of weeks I will try to get the RCA damper video edited.
    RideOn!

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    Dripping sweat!

    a nice ride with my buddies.
    I took the Durolux out for a day of DH fun followed by some jumping!


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    RidEOn!

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    Not to rain on anyones parade but I am seriously disappointing with Sr Suntour..

    I bought a Gt Dj bike that had a Duro DJ on the front of it and I rode it for a month, given I do ride stuff hard, but it was nothing a Dj bike wouldnt see in normal use..

    Anyways I aired out of the backside of a Berm at our BMX Track and landed hard but nothing that bad. I land that hard on that jump my 20" or a rigid fork, and I bent the steerer tube on the Duro.. I didnt crash, both feet and hands stayed on the bars, It wasnt enough impact that should have bent that fork, Like I said I hit that with my 20" and I have hit it on my AM bike that has a Lyric on it lots of times.. and the Sr Suntour was the one that bent.

    The LBS calls the company and Sr Suntour tells me I am SOL because "We have pro riders that have ridden those forks for 2 years and they have never bent a steerer tube"

    So now I am without a working fork until I can save up for a Rockshox to replace it.. I know that they will treat me right if something goes wrong..

    I would understand if I had some huge crash that would break any fork but the situation was not the case, and the reply that they gave me drove me away from their company forever..
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    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609 View Post
    Not to rain on anyones parade but I am seriously disappointing with Sr Suntour..

    I bought a Gt Dj bike that had a Duro DJ on the front of it and I rode it for a month, given I do ride stuff hard, but it was nothing a Dj bike wouldnt see in normal use..

    Anyways I aired out of the backside of a Berm at our BMX Track and landed hard but nothing that bad. I land that hard on that jump my 20" or a rigid fork, and I bent the steerer tube on the Duro.. I didnt crash, both feet and hands stayed on the bars, It wasnt enough impact that should have bent that fork, Like I said I hit that with my 20" and I have hit it on my AM bike that has a Lyric on it lots of times.. and the Sr Suntour was the one that bent.

    The LBS calls the company and Sr Suntour tells me I am SOL because "We have pro riders that have ridden those forks for 2 years and they have never bent a steerer tube"

    So now I am without a working fork until I can save up for a Rockshox to replace it.. I know that they will treat me right if something goes wrong..

    I would understand if I had some huge crash that would break any fork but the situation was not the case, and the reply that they gave me drove me away from their company forever..

    Sorry to hear your bad story man!
    There could be many reasons why it bent or didn't with your other forks.
    I ride the same trials and jumps all the time and sometimes things break off the weirdest stuff.
    I don't know much about the Duro and it looks good to me.
    The crown should be no different than that of a marzocchi or rockshocks.

    I hope you can settle things up.
    Remember what you get on a complete bike is not always top notch.
    The aftermarket products from all the companies are much better than the complete bike's specs. I don't know why they do it but they do.

    RideOn!

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    I am fine if that's the case. But they should stand behind a product better than that.. I just refuse to do business with them again if they refuse to warranty a dirt jump fork that was bent while hitting a dirt jump that I have hit hundreds of times on lyrics and various other forks.. including rigid forks.

    It really is a bummer because I was actually thinking about a second long travel for li for my bike and I was looking at some of their offerings but with them putting me in a position where I have to buy a new fork, I will not be spending my money with them.. RS has treated me much better and will get my money and support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609 View Post
    I am fine if that's the case. But they should stand behind a product better than that.. I just refuse to do business with them again if they refuse to warranty a dirt jump fork that was bent while hitting a dirt jump that I have hit hundreds of times on lyrics and various other forks.. including rigid forks.

    It really is a bummer because I was actually thinking about a second long travel for li for my bike and I was looking at some of their offerings but with them putting me in a position where I have to buy a new fork, I will not be spending my money with them.. RS has treated me much better and will get my money and support.

    Magically generated from my Liberated Droid X.

    Sounds good bro!
    I understand how you feel and I would feel the same.
    Please enjoy your fork.
    If you looking for a bombproof DJ fork there are lots of offering out there.

    RidEOn!

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    Suntour Durolux overhaul RCA

    Ok boy!
    Here it is!

    I just finished my RCA overhaul on the Durolux!
    I hope this will give you some better insight on the magic this fork has to offer.
    You can also see the forks damper is made of high quality metal.

    RideOn!




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    &#x202a;2011 Durolux RCA rebuild - 720p.mov&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube



    I hope this helps and gives a clear view of how great this fork is inside as well.
    I tried talking very slow to help explain and kind of over explained as well.
    enjoy!

    RidEOn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker View Post
    Ok boy!
    Here it is!

    I just finished my RCA overhaul on the Durolux!
    I hope this will give you some better insight on the magic this fork has to offer.
    You can also see the forks damper is made of high quality metal.

    RideOn!




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    &#x202a;2011 Durolux RCA rebuild - 720p.mov&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube



    I hope this helps and gives a clear view of how great this fork is inside as well.
    I tried talking very slow to help explain and kind of over explained as well.
    enjoy!

    RidEOn!
    Niko

    That is by far, the funniest "how to" video I have ever watched. I Was hoping for some close ups of the internals though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    That is by far, the funniest "how to" video I have ever watched. I Was hoping for some close ups of the internals though.


    Thank you!
    My personality comes out no matter what, hahaha

    As for close ups what did you want to see?
    If you watch it again you can see everything inside the damper.
    The Rebound rod has a flood gate that regulates how much oil is being pushed through the shim stack which was in the video.
    Then the compression shim stack was what I took off as I took the assembly apart.

    I did not disassemble the either shim stack as the balance is great.
    The compression damping is nice and with the external adjustments is very soft to stiff and the same for the rebound.

    next time around I will keep it in mind to get some pictures of the parts up close and throw that into the video.

    Just let me know and will see what I could do!

    RidEOn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker View Post
    Ok boy!
    Here it is!

    I just finished my RCA overhaul on the Durolux!
    I hope this will give you some better insight on the magic this fork has to offer.
    You can also see the forks damper is made of high quality metal.

    RideOn!


    Niko
    Niko, thanks for posting great Durolux overhaul video.., and it's amusing..
    Glad to hear the internal quality is no slouch either. I wonder in next one season or two this fork will be respected on par with other big boys.
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    you have some great vids. keep um comn

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker View Post
    Thank you!
    My personality comes out no matter what, hahaha

    As for close ups what did you want to see?
    If you watch it again you can see everything inside the damper.
    The Rebound rod has a flood gate that regulates how much oil is being pushed through the shim stack which was in the video.
    Then the compression shim stack was what I took off as I took the assembly apart.

    I did not disassemble the either shim stack as the balance is great.
    The compression damping is nice and with the external adjustments is very soft to stiff and the same for the rebound.

    next time around I will keep it in mind to get some pictures of the parts up close and throw that into the video.

    Just let me know and will see what I could do!

    RidEOn!
    I want to see a close up of the compression piston and rebound piston so I can compare it to the ABS+ and Mission Control designs I am used to working with. The RCA damper sounds like it makes the Durolux a good fork fork and at half the price of my Lyrik, It may be my next fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by softailteamrider View Post
    Niko, thanks for posting great Durolux overhaul video.., and it's amusing..
    Glad to hear the internal quality is no slouch either. I wonder in next one season or two this fork will be respected on par with other big boys.



    Thank you for liking my video tutorial!
    I hope it sets a being of present normality in the realm of Great forks!
    The fork is no different than any of the 66's or 36'd I have owned and there is no noticeable
    difference in performance between the big boys so, in the next couple of years without a doubt the durolux will gain its potential being!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    I want to see a close up of the compression piston and rebound piston so I can compare it to the ABS+ and Mission Control designs I am used to working with. The RCA damper sounds like it makes the Durolux a good fork fork and at half the price of my Lyrik, It may be my next fork.


    Sorry,
    I will have to get some close ups of the shims them self.
    But I assure you the shims are stacked nicely and with either 2.5 to 5 wt oil your adjustments will work beautifully.
    As for the lyric which is a great fork but, I have never been on. Im sure you will find the durolux just as smooth.
    I have had and worked on lots of air forks.
    The internal systems are very close in reference to what they are trying to accomplish.
    I have overhauled some domains and totems and find the system to be very cool.
    They use the stanchions inner tube as the dampers walls.
    Other companies use a cartridge like you saw in the video but the working idea is the same.

    hahahhahahhaah

    I think im confusing myself now!

    For a fork thats half the price its performs up great quality.
    I will try and get closeups for you next time I think about taking her apart.

    I had a bad crash 2 weekends ago dislocating my shoulder and fracturing my coracoid process.
    So, I cant really do any overhaul work at the moment, hahahhahhaha
    nor can I go for a ride!


    RideOn!

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    I hear there is a change for 2012 with a Hi-Lo speed compression adjustable damper.
    I wish to see a durolux with travel adjutsabilty AND an RCA damper. not sure why they don't offer this combination already. can the RCA damper be retrofitted to TAD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas poetker View Post
    Sorry,
    I had a bad crash 2 weekends ago dislocating my shoulder and fracturing my coracoid process.
    So, I cant really do any overhaul work at the moment, hahahhahhaha
    nor can I go for a ride!


    RideOn!
    Sorry to hear you're having injury, Niko. Get well soon and post some more ride videos ..
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    Thank's Nicholas, I've liked very much your Video tutorial .
    Sorry to read about your shoulder injury. I also had a dislocated shoulder three years ago. Everything is OK now and I can ride as I did before the injury. Just be patient.

    When I bought my RCA, it was harsh, didn't have small bumps sensibitily and was bottoming out hard easyly with 60/65 PSI for a 74 kgs rider.

    I sent an email to Suntour European Support and asking them how to make the fork working.
    They answered me to fill the air chamber with 80 WT oil to reduce the hard bottomings out and tu put 15 CC 10wt oil in the both legs for sensibility.
    That was working but I still had sometimes harsh bottoming out and the fork was too low in is travel.

    Just before you've your vidéo I've filled the cartridge (by the rebound side, not by the middle)with 100 ml 10wt oil.
    I was very surprised to find only 75 ml of oil in the cartridge

    The feeling is much more better than before I apply your trick. The fork is really a lot better now. A bit incomfortable on small bumps but I think the 10 WT is to hard. The fork now is more higher in his stroke and my bike is now well balanced
    Next step is to change the 10 WT oil for a 5 WT one.

    Here After My bike with this fork





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    Really good tips and tricks for the Durolux Nicholas. I've owned the fork for one season and saw some really great potential in the hardware but was a little disappointed by the harshness that was the result of having to over compensate for the fork constantly bottoming out and brake diving.

    Now I've applied the extra oil in both damper cartridge as well as in the air spring chamber. This really makes the fork maintain the responsivness and plushness while adding a nice progressive end stroke.

    I think the construction is solid and simple which makes mods and adjustments really simple and fast. There are some improvements to be made especially on the compression unit that could make the fork even better.

    First, the Durolux RCA DOES have a shimstack on the rebound rod that does look well adjusted and works very well. What it DOES'NT have is a real shimstack on the compression side. Instead it has a single 0,6 mm (ID10/OD20) shim (washer?) that does control the compression oil flow but not by flexing (like a thinner shim would) instead it is adjusted by adding pressure to a spring on top of the shim making the compression flow harder or softer. The return flow of the oil is handled by a unadjustable one way return valve. I think that this construction is the main reason to why the Durolux RCA is hard to adjust within decent hi/lo speed compression results, epscially good low speed compression while maintaining good high speed characteristics.

    I've never seen this kind of construction before and was quite surprised when opening the cartridge up for the first time. I own a Epicon RL (and too many other forks of too many brands) that also has a very solid build but has a much more traditional build on the compression unit using a two way shimstack head. I haven't seen the construction of a RS TST damper but I don't think it is similar.

    That said I believe that there are some really simple and effective mods that can be done on the compression unit especially by ADDING a real shimstack. I've seen some base setups on a german forum (mtb-news.de) that gives better low speed compression results. The solution is to add a small shimstack below the 0,6mm washer consisting of a series of thinner shims in a classic pyramid setup. This will result in a sort of Two stage shim stack and add better low speed compression characteristics even when adjusting the compression to a mid or hard setting to avoid brake dive.

    The hardest part of this mod is finding fitting shims since 10mm ID shims are hard to find. I've made a setup of my own that consists of a 0,1 ID10/OD22 return valve shim from a Manitou damper and a couple of 0,1 ID10/OD16 from the local hardware specialist but I have trouble finding hardware for a more varied setup. I believe that this mod really makes the Durolux a valid competitor to the bigger brands compared on a bang for the buck level.

    I'm attaching a couple of images originating from that german thread and I hope the owner will forgive me for spreading them in the name of worldwide Durolux improvement.

    Best wishes to all you Durolux believers out there and big thanks to Nicholas for inspiration and "DH-Luza" for the shim stack mod and photos.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Sr Suntour Durolux forks?-ds_durolux.jpg  

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    Does anyone have trouble with the forks losing pressure?
    I've recently done some big hits on these fork & after a while the pressure dropped to zero.

    I've had these forks for abit 3-4 months & it's only happened the last 2 days. Would new seals fix this problem?

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    Great job adding shims to the system.

    for my fork I found the compression is very stable and rides nice,
    In the video I did the compression with 6 turns in with 5wt oil is very stiff.
    I weigh 200 lbs.

    I added enough oil to allow a smooth progressive stroke with out a harsh bottom out.
    for my application the shims would be overkill.
    I also added a spacer in the air chamber to allow for a nice progressive stroke as well.
    The fork rides great and and as you stated making shims is actually very difficult.

    for anyone finding the fork bottoming or diving do my overhaul and then add some oil to the air chamber. I would say about 50cc!

    The shim upgrade is great but my fork is wonderful with out it!
    Remember there is 15 clicks of compression.
    So, if anything over 10 is still to soft try adding more air.
    As for the small bump compliance mine is a charm.
    I grease the stanchions with honey grease after every ride the fork stays too plush for me truthfully.
    hhhhahahahhahaha


    I think a smaller air chamber is a perfect way to correct the problem of bottom out and fork dive.
    Its very interesting to hear your news and will keep it in mind if it happens to me.


    As for the fork losing air its possible.
    The fork's air chamber is in the upper half of the fork and the air can seep out 3-4 ways.

    1 through the top cap.
    if its loose it can leak air.

    2 if the seal in the main chamber is too weak it will lose air and get trapped in the lower leg.

    3 if air is trapped it the lower leg the fork will become very soft.

    4 if air has leaked into the lower chamber it can leak out the bottom of the fork through the bottom bolt or through the seals which is not good because if there is too much pressure on the dust seals they will pop out!

    If your fork is losing pressure you might need new seals but wear are they purchased?

    I will try to make another video about the forks travel and air chamber.
    Making a great fork is the best way to get out of your ride what you like!

    RidEOn!

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    I live in NZ and I bought them off chain reaction.
    I had 15wt oil in the top of the air chamber to make them feel bottomless like you said. but..
    the last 2 days, after about 10 minutes of doing a freeride track there is no pressure and my forks compress completely like they do when you release all the air.
    I took them apart and all the 15wt has seeped into the bottom legs & air has been bubbling out the top of the leg seals.

    i'm thinking of ordering a new air piston and seal, unless you'd know another way to fix this?

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    Aside From the durolux, are any of the other sr suntour forks worth anything?

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    The RCA seems to be their only high end fork at this time. there's the TAD version but apparently it doesn't have a good damper.

    you can set the RCA to any travel length so I don't see it being a problem for any kind of riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick2cents View Post
    Aside From the durolux, are any of the other sr suntour forks worth anything?
    Epicons with speed lock are decent entry level forks, equivalent to the RS Tora with the TK damper. Not a great fork, but its good enough for entry level to intermediate riders.

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    Your Nukuproof looks super cool man!
    This looks like a very fun bike!
    The Durolux looks great on there too!

    If you add oil the way I did in the video you should be able to get the right amount in there.
    I too think 10Wt is too stiff even for me.
    5 wt is a nice option.
    For the oil level 75 is too low I think in my video I measured it to 110 115 ml of oil.
    That should give you a nice progressive stroke.

    As for stiction I dont know what to say because mine is very smooth.
    I rubbed slick honey grease on the inside or each dust wiper seal then before a ride I rub it on the stanchions and the seals cycle the fork and then wipe it off.
    This keeps it very smooth.
    I have been doing this on every fork I have ever owned, slick honey really keeps the stanchions and seals running stiction free.

    Good luck and enjoy your killer bike!

    RideOn!

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    That's sorta what I thought. I wonder why they decided to build this fork? It seems (for the current sr suntour) out of character....

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    Could you show me a picture of how you did it?
    Just so I can get a perfect idea.

    I was trying to get in touch with distributors before these started giving me trouble since I wanted the 2012 parts. They said they're able to order parts but I'm holding it off as I'd want the 2012 parts

    So just a few pictures of the piston and possible the inside of the stanction if you can, that'd be very helpful. I'm sort of worried they're going to give me trouble from now on..

    Do you know if these forks have a warrenty?

    [Sorry I had to reply here as I don't have 10 posts. I do now so PM me back please]

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_cycle View Post
    I hear there is a change for 2012 with a Hi-Lo speed compression adjustable damper.
    I wish to see a durolux with travel adjutsabilty AND an RCA damper. not sure why they don't offer this combination already. can the RCA damper be retrofitted to TAD?
    For 2012 the Durolox will have a high and low speed damper in all models as a top notch option. Im not sure if the current damper is will be available but the RCA high and low will be on offered on the TAD as well.

    Also the damper its self can be purchased for the current 2011 model and fit with no problem.

    rideOn!

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    When I get the time I will make a video and some pictures of the air side damper.
    When air is leaking any where its bad news but if you can control it then the fork should be great.

    I might have some time tomorrow to film the overhaul and then edit it or even some pictures but its very time consuming.

    I have been using silicon in forks and all over my bike for years.
    The silicon dries and hardens like a rubber seal making it very worthy of many different repairs.
    For the durolux I siliconed the top piston to the air rod and made it one unit.
    Let it dry for 2-3 days as the inside of the silicon can still be wet and outside air is great.

    Then I made a thin layer of silicon around the air's piston to support the seal all ready there.
    If you have too much it will cause lots of stiction so just a thin layer a little skinnier than the seal thats sticking out.

    After this the air spring feels very smooth.
    The black piston is no longer free to move and creates a much more stable spring curve.
    The air is should no longer seep into the lowers.

    As for the 2012 stuff I had the chance to talk to Suntours about the fork and they said the 2012 damper will all be made to fit the 2011 fork as well.
    When its available I have no idea.

    Try what you can.
    As for a warranty if you contact chainreaction and get a warranty number they will take it for you. You have to mail the fork back and wait for their reply.
    For me I love the fork and decided to fix it with the silicon like I did.

    RideOn!

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    Pinkbike recently reviewed the RCA forks a few days ago.

    SR Suntour Durolux RCA Fork - Tested - Pinkbike.com

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    That is good. If anyone read what I wrote, disregard it entirely

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    I think I like the Durolux's method of damping instead of RockShox's. Seems a lot simpler, and cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icalebkim View Post
    I think I like the Durolux's method of damping instead of RockShox's. Seems a lot simpler, and cleaner.

    I think so too mate!
    The damper is a self contained unite and its really easy to work on.
    The rock shocks system is great but you have to realize the inner tubes of the stanchions are the damper assembly and in reality its the same system, hahhahahahhahha

    Just this in the Durolux is easy to understand.
    Its also the same as the fox's fit damper.
    just lacking the high speed compression!

    RidEOn!

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