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    Which Specialized Enduro?

    I have a decision to make between two Specialized Enduro's. Which is better? They have similar upgrades. I am riding AM, single track, and XC.

    1) 2002 Enduro Pro- Specialized Enduro Pro - Pinkbike

    2) 2005 Enduro ?- 2005 Specialized Enduro - Pinkbike

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    neither, both are far too expensive for the technology equipped.

    If you looking for a 160mm full suspension bike under $1000, look for a Giant Reign or Iron Horse 6point.

    Both will pedal much much better than those older Enduros.
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    def not the 2002, but i think the '05 looks not terrible.

    I would definitely try to talk him down to like $300-400 though because you're probably going to need some $$$ services to get the bike in good working condition...mainly suspension service and a simple brake bleed

    those are old bikes. if they have sat un-ridden for a while (as opposed to ridden and maintained from time to time) they will probably need some work and/or new parts

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    Well the '05 has a FOX RP23 that he put on it this week. He is also fitting a new wheel. A Shimano Deore Hub laced to a WTB All MTN Speeddisc rim. Does that justify his price point at all? He said he wont come down from $700.

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    And ALL the other full suspension enduro bikes I have been looking at in the $700 range have been 02's-07's. Maybe its just a bad time to buy? I cant find anything newer for the price with the good upgrades.

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    If you can't spend more than $700, look into the longest travel 29er you can find. A newer 120mm 29er will ride better than an older full suspension, with a few exceptions.
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    yeah Ive had a few people tell me the same thing. Also, I am complete newbie to MTB. So maybe the 29er is the way to go...

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    What's up with the shock in the 2nd pic of the 2005? The length of the shaft is too short, you should be seeing much more than that. Either it's blown (likely) or not enough air is in it.

    The 2002 states it comes with Duke forks yet the pics all show a Psylo?

    Both are overpriced IMHO and they both have some suspect disparities that I would question. I'd keep looking if I were you. There's tons more deals out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuy4444 View Post
    Also, I am complete newbie to MTB.
    tell us what region you live (since different parts of the country are different enough to warrant consideration of different equipment) in and generally what kind of riding you have in mind. ie: will you keep it pretty tame or try to go fast and jump (eventually)

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    He replaced that bad shock with a brand new FOX RP23. He just sent me a vid of it and it looks good. (has a lot longer shaft displayed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    tell us what region you live (since different parts of the country are different enough to warrant consideration of different equipment) in and generally what kind of riding you have in mind. ie: will you keep it pretty tame or try to go fast and jump (eventually)
    I live in the NorthEast (Charlottesville area of Virginia). I will be starting out pretty tame, but am wanting to quickly progress into some spirited riding on single tracks, AM, and POSSIBLY some DH. I typically am an all or nothing

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    Re: Which Specialized Enduro?

    If you had a little more money Id sell you my bike. Ride a 29er though and see if it fits and you like how it turns/corners before you just randomly buy one online. Their not for everyone. I'm 6'1 and I didn't like them, although I haven't tried the 2013/2014 bikes (better geo).

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    Im headed to my LBS today to ride a few and see how I like them. I keep hearing conflicting opinions on the FS vs HT. Some say FS all the way some say HT. I have a ton of rocks and roots where I live and thats what biased me to the FS so its easier on my knees. I dont really plan on a TON oh climbs either so that also pointed me towards a FS.....but then there is the price limit Im at and what type of bike I can get for that price. Id much rather get a nicer 29er HT than an old FS. Unfortunately solid 29ers have been most difficult to find and Im scard they wont be as agile as a FS 26er

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    I don't think 2005 is too old if it's working good. That being said I don't think either of these bikes are right for you. I do think it's priced a little bit high especially if you have to pay shipping on top of the "firm" asking price.

    I 100% disagree that you should buy a new $700 29er instead. You'll be getting a horrible fork (likely suntour or Rockshox XC) and no where near xt components. Basically all bottom of the barrel parts. Maybe people on here can find you something local? When you have a limited budget paying $100+ in shipping doesn't make sense IMO.

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    I wish I could find something more local but just couldnt. Ive searched through Search Tempest, Craigslist, PinkBike, all the other forums, etc. Nothing that REALLY stood out. I live in 22980

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    If they'd come down on the price this looks nice, size large and looks lightly used. You're right though, slim picking on CL...I feel you though. I'm in PA and not much of quality comes up on craigslist often and it's usually priced crazy if it does.

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    I checked that one out. No response from the seller yet. Has been a few days sent I tried to contact them too. Im guessing it sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuy4444 View Post
    I live in the NorthEast (Charlottesville area of Virginia). I will be starting out pretty tame, but am wanting to quickly progress into some spirited riding on single tracks, AM, and POSSIBLY some DH. I typically am an all or nothing
    ok, i got bikes on the brain waiting to leave for an mtb trip, so heres some thoughts:

    nothing wrong with enduros but also no reason to confine your search. another rule of thumb is to shoot for the most current model year you can afford since tech and design has come so far

    im on east coast too. in general the east coast is more technical but with more mellow climbs. So depending on how tall you are, some bikes may ride a lot better in medium since you will be able to maneuver it a little easier. I'm 5'10" and meds are pefect for me for this type of riding

    this was my first bike. mine was stock but this guy has made some nice additions IronHorse MKiii Team (Large) - Pinkbike i did end up breaking it but its such a fun and great riding bike i had no regrets. This one looks awesome for the $...a little above your budget with shipping but i think would be well worth it. Now this fork is old, but it is rumored to be an awsome fork, so at your price point this is probably as good a fork as youll get. As you start out, only one gear up front will feel hard, but since the EC climbs arent as bad as west coast this is generally preferred for AM here...and there is a nice chainguide which is a bonus. if you are 5'10" or taller this will fit great

    2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 17.5 - Pinkbike this looks like a legit condition '08 treck...also good updates and looks like great cond

    2008 giant trance x2 medium - Pinkbike details are too sparse to really know on this one, but i still would bet it is much better overall than the enduros.

    also there are always tons of used santa cruz hecklers so you can sometimes see great deals on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    ok, i got bikes on the brain waiting to leave for an mtb trip, so heres some thoughts:

    nothing wrong with enduros but also no reason to confine your search. another rule of thumb is to shoot for the most current model year you can afford since tech and design has come so far

    im on east coast too. in general the east coast is more technical but with more mellow climbs. So depending on how tall you are, some bikes may ride a lot better in medium since you will be able to maneuver it a little easier. I'm 5'10" and meds are pefect for me for this type of riding

    this was my first bike. mine was stock but this guy has made some nice additions IronHorse MKiii Team (Large) - Pinkbike i did end up breaking it but its such a fun and great riding bike i had no regrets. This one looks awesome for the $...a little above your budget with shipping but i think would be well worth it. Now this fork is old, but it is rumored to be an awsome fork, so at your price point this is probably as good a fork as youll get. As you start out, only one gear up front will feel hard, but since the EC climbs arent as bad as west coast this is generally preferred for AM here...and there is a nice chainguide which is a bonus. if you are 5'10" or taller this will fit great

    2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 17.5 - Pinkbike this looks like a legit condition '08 treck...also good updates and looks like great cond

    2008 giant trance x2 medium - Pinkbike details are too sparse to really know on this one, but i still would bet it is much better overall than the enduros.

    also there are always tons of used santa cruz hecklers so you can sometimes see great deals on them
    The specs on the trek look nice and it's in VA, not sure how far from the OP.

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    Awesome post. Im 6' tall on the dot. I tried contacting that Trek in Fairfax with no luck. I do have pretty long legs and a short torso though, so Im not sure if the Med would fit me or not. I am hitting up my LBS here soon so hopefully they will give me more insight! Keep the good info coming though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dietz31684 View Post
    The specs on the trek look nice and it's in VA, not sure how far from the OP.
    OK so im def biased on that mkIII iron horse...its making me recall lots of fond memories

    But look at the picture of the underside of downtube...that thing IS PRACTICALLY BRAND NEW!! after a couple hard rides a downtube will pick up lots of little signs of wear in that spot...thing looks like a great ride for 800 plus shipping

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    Ok, so this guy just contacted me!! 2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 17.5 - Pinkbike

    Said its still available and could come get it whenever. Seems like a good deal, yes? Seems to be most everyone favorite and for $25 over the one I was going to have shipped to me seems like a steal. ???

    My ONLY real concern is the size. Im 6' tall with long legs. would a 17.5 frame be a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuy4444 View Post
    Ok, so this guy just contacted me!! 2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 17.5 - Pinkbike

    Said its still available and could come get it whenever. Seems like a good deal, yes? Seems to be most everyone favorite and for $25 over the one I was going to have shipped to me seems like a steal. ???

    My ONLY real concern is the size. Im 6' tall with long legs. would a 17.5 frame be a problem?
    just had to do a double take at the components on that treck...man that thing is waaaay nice for $800...fork alone retails for more. and they are very recent model year

    the 17.5 is actually the large, im pretty sure, so you should be good. print out the picture and make sure it all looks the same in person, lol...almost looks too good to be true but the guy probably just wanted to get rid of it quickly and without hassle

    its a more bias toward distance rides than hucking but if it all checks out in person you practically cant afford not to get it, ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    just had to do a double take at the components on that treck...man that thing is waaaay nice for $800...fork alone retails for more. and they are very recent model year

    the 17.5 is actually the large, im pretty sure, so you should be good. print out the picture and make sure it all looks the same in person, lol...almost looks too good to be true but the guy probably just wanted to get rid of it quickly and without hassle

    its a more bias toward distance rides than hucking but if it all checks out in person you practically cant afford not to get it, ha
    Yeah that bike is VERY clean and he is willing to meet me halfway. Will def be printing those pics and specs out.

    So for mainly single track, AM, and downhill a 17.5 will be fine? I doubt I will be doing long long rides. Seems as though if I am in an attack position for most of the time anyways frame size is irrelevant. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuy4444 View Post
    Seems as though if I am in an attack position for most of the time anyways frame size is irrelevant. lol
    Not true at all, but my point was that i think it is the right size for you in general, a large.

    the bike is suited more towards long rides and not bombing hairy DH lines, no getting around that. but i still think you cant go wrong for this nice of a first bike for this little $

    another good feature that gives you flexibility down the road is that the fork is set at 130mm travel just to match the bikes overall handling; however, i am pretty sure you can increase the fork travel up to 150mm just by removing an internal spacer.

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    Attack position? What does that even mean? I've been riding "mountain bikes" since I was 6 years old and I don't think ever known what attack position was. Is that attack the uphills or attacking the downhills?

    Size does matter. The 2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 came in Sizes 15.5, 17.5, 18.5, 19.5, 21.5"

    That would make the 17.5 one of the smallest available. I'm the size height as you and I couldn't stand riding a bike that small. I'd rather have a 19.5"
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    My newbness is showing. Excuse my ignorance. ha. If nothing else, if the frame doesnt fit, I can strip it down, sell the frame, and find a 19 to put all the components on correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Attack position? What does that even mean? I've been riding "mountain bikes" since I was 6 years old and I don't think ever known what attack position was. Is that attack the uphills or attacking the downhills?

    Size does matter. The 2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 came in Sizes 15.5, 17.5, 18.5, 19.5, 21.5"

    That would make the 17.5 one of the smallest available. I'm the size height as you and I couldn't stand riding a bike that small. I'd rather have a 19.5"
    Damn. Im just striking out everywhere. I might just need to be a bit more patient and wait it out until a quality bike in my size and in my price range presents itself. I REALLY want to get on the trails though ASAP

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    Yea the 17.5" likely has a ETT (Effective Top Tube Length) of 23 inches. That's about an inch and a half too short, and this example looks like its got a shorter stem than stock.

    My advise? Go ride the thing. Maybe you could put a set-back seat post on it to stretch it out a little, and immediately list the frame as "trade for size large" on Pinkbike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Yea the 17.5" likely has a ETT (Effective Top Tube Length) of 23 inches. That's about an inch and a half too short, and this example looks like its got a shorter stem than stock.

    My advise? Go ride the thing. Maybe you could put a set-back seat post on it to stretch it out a little, and immediately list the frame as "trade for size large" on Pinkbike.
    Solid advice. I really want it despite the smaller frame simply due to the upgrades it has. IMO itd be worth riding around a frame thats a little too small for me and wait for a trade to come up. But like you said, wont REALLY know until I test ride it. Its only an hour drive, so worth the gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Attack position? What does that even mean? I've been riding "mountain bikes" since I was 6 years old and I don't think ever known what attack position was. Is that attack the uphills or attacking the downhills?
    you must have perma-gnube status if you have no idea what attack position is. it is a real thing...look it up. it means the position you are in to go fast downhill, aka attack the hill (or do you just stay seated for the whole ride?). bad form calling him out as a noob and being flat out wrong

    also, there seems to be a confusing point regarding trek sizing...ive never owned one so im not sure how this shakes out but here is why i think 17.5 is perfect for him

    if this link works check the geo chart Trek Bicycle

    Actual Frame Size 15.5 in 16.5 in 17.5 in 18.5 in 20 in

    so that size has a 23.8 top tube which will be perfect for a 6 ft rider

    Good luck, OP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    you must have perma-gnube status if you have no idea what attack position is. it is a real thing...look it up. it means the position you are in to go fast downhill, aka attack the hill (or do you just stay seated for the whole ride?). bad form calling him out as a noob and being flat out wrong

    also, there seems to be a confusing point regarding trek sizing...ive never owned one so im not sure how this shakes out but here is why i think 17.5 is perfect for him

    if this link works check the geo chart Trek Bicycle

    Actual Frame Size 15.5 in 16.5 in 17.5 in 18.5 in 20 in

    so that size has a 23.8 top tube which will be perfect for a 6 ft rider

    Good luck, OP!
    Bahaha. I knew I wasnt crazy with the "attack position". Well I am going to go test ride it. Hopefully it checks out! If I buy it Ill come back and update the thread just for the hell of it. Thanks for all of the good info guys! Much appreciated!

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    Ride it and see. Some people like smaller frames, some don't.

    My $.02 on the bike shopping -- I don't know that I would want to spend $800 on an old used full suspension, as much as I love 'em. I would rather get a solid hard tail with decent parts, and work up to a full sus in the $2000+ range, especially if your goal is to ride the rough stuff.

    Also, based on the mention of wanting to do some DH or more bombing trail riding, the older Enduros don't have much in common with the newer ones, which get all the reviews as "mini-dh" bikes and such. The geometry and travel of those older bikes is quite a bit different. My uncle has an '04 or '05 Enduro which I have messed around on since buying my bike, and about the only thing it has in common with my '11 Enduro is the model name. The older model is definitely not a downhill-oriented bike like the '10+ Enduro is. Just so you know ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Ride it and see. Some people like smaller frames, some don't.

    My $.02 on the bike shopping -- I don't know that I would want to spend $800 on an old used full suspension, as much as I love 'em. I would rather get a solid hard tail with decent parts, and work up to a full sus in the $2000+ range, especially if your goal is to ride the rough stuff.

    Also, based on the mention of wanting to do some DH or more bombing trail riding, the older Enduros don't have much in common with the newer ones, which get all the reviews as "mini-dh" bikes and such. The geometry and travel of those older bikes is quite a bit different. My uncle has an '04 or '05 Enduro which I have messed around on since buying my bike, and about the only thing it has in common with my '11 Enduro is the model name. The older model is definitely not a downhill-oriented bike like the '10+ Enduro is. Just so you know ...
    Good info. Thanks. The one I am going for right now is an '08 with some pretty solid suspension upgrades. Dont know if thatll mean anything or not, but Im sure it helps. Besides that, I wont be getting into the hardcore DH stuff right away. I am mainly looking for a solid AM and single track bike that can take roots and rocks well. Do you think this--> 2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 17.5 - Pinkbike will be able to hold up to a faster paced single track ride and some tiny drop offs? Im new to all this so I doubt I am accurately labeling what I am trying to describe.

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    whats your max budget and what exactly is the terrain like where you ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauc View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    you must have perma-gnube status if you have no idea what attack position is. it is a real thing...look it up. it means the position you are in to go fast downhill, aka attack the hill (or do you just stay seated for the whole ride?). bad form calling him out as a noob and being flat out wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuy4444 View Post
    Good info. Thanks. The one I am going for right now is an '08 with some pretty solid suspension upgrades. Dont know if thatll mean anything or not, but Im sure it helps. Besides that, I wont be getting into the hardcore DH stuff right away. I am mainly looking for a solid AM and single track bike that can take roots and rocks well. Do you think this--> 2008 Trek Fuel Ex 7 17.5 - Pinkbike will be able to hold up to a faster paced single track ride and some tiny drop offs? Im new to all this so I doubt I am accurately labeling what I am trying to describe.
    Looks like a solid bike. With brand new suspension parts on it, $800 seems like a pretty good deal if it fits you. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't matter how good of a deal it is.

    But honestly, don't get too caught up in "can the bike handle it" or whatever. Pretty much all bikes in good repair from a reputable manufacturer will handle anything you're likely to do. I ride most of the same trails on my Enduro that I rode on my '04 Jamis XLT (4.5" "trail" bike) that I rode on my hardtail before that. My Jamis survived 5 ft drops at bike parks, lift days at resorts, and all of that.

    Real world anecdote -- A few weeks ago, I had family in town and they wanted to go for a ride, including 2 who didn't have bikes with them. I wanted them to enjoy it, and they are shopping for bikes and wanted to see what decent full-sus bikes feel like, so I let my cousins ride my Enduro and my Jamis, and I tackled the trail on my wife's 11 yr old hardtail GT Avalanche, complete with the v-brakes and stock 80mm Judy fork (fortunately my wife is only about 2 inches shorter than me, so her bike fits me reasonably well). We rode a segment of the Wasatch Crest, which features plenty of rocks, tech parts, a few 2 ft drops, stuff like that. We had everything from my 2 brothers on their DH bikes to me on the 10 yr old $400 hardtail. You know what -- we all had a great time and enjoyed the ride. I couldn't quite hang with my brothers on the rough downhill sections, but I was probably only a few seconds slower than I normally would have been, I rode all the tough stuff, and the bike did its job.

    Moral of the story - it is way more the rider than the bike. Sure, I enjoy blasting through the rock gardens on my Enduro a little more than picking through them on a hardtail, and the Enduro feels a little more stable in the air or at high speeds, but the key is getting out there and riding, not over-analyzing getting the "right" bike. Just get a bike that fits and that you can afford, and then you'll find out what you like to ride and what is specifically tailored to your wants, and go from there.
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    Awesome post! Thanks! I went to my LBS and sat on some 17.5 Treks and with the seat raised a good bit I fit just fine. Hopefully when I go test out this Trek itll fit the same. Im pumped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
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    He could have lit you up a lot worse. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you use the attack position and you just were unaware it was called such.

    I mean, what do you call it? "A crouched position with knees and elbows bent and body weight reward" is a bit harder to say than "attack position".

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    I wouldn't knock the old school Enduro's - my S-Works with a 7.875 DHX and 36mm Talas rocked on descents and could climb as well. There are some perfectly good bikes out there that would be great starter bikes for AM.
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    I'd look for at least the 06'. Major redesign year.

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    I'd wager that the 17.5 would be too short for you at 6'. I know the next size up Trek fits me really well. If you are down in the Shenandoah, go see the boys and girls at Shenandoah Bicycle Company.

    The trails in Massanutten and GWNF around the Shenandoah valley area lend themselves well to longer bikes, for sure. The trails are a bit more open and flowy than your general mid-Atlantic stuff and the speeds are certainly higher than average. The longer top tube would suit you well in those conditions. That's been my experience of riding there for 10 years.

    Good luck.

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    bumper. how is it going with the new steed?

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    Great! Ended up with that '08 Trek Fuel EX7 for $800. Had some nice upgraded bits on it as well. Fits perfect as far a I can tell with the seat pretty high. Came with clipless pedals so had to go buy some shoe sand learn how to ride that way, but Im loving the clipless. I do believe I rode for 6 days straight on my local parks narrow, wooded, singletrack. I LOVE MOUNTAIN BIKING! Unfortunately, I hit a bit of a setback: Took the bike up to PA over the holiday weekend and had a nasty spill. Had all gear on (knee/shin pads, helmet, gloves, elbow pads), but a pretty nice size rock moved my right side knee pad over and decided to take a lot of skin with it (meaning sheared to the bone). Haha. So, now I have to wait a month or so till I can ride again. Blows, but I knew what I was getting into Have some pics of the injury if yall like to see

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    Wooohooo! That is great, man!!

    tooting my own horn here, but that is hands down the best deal anyone has ever gotten buying an mtb from a stranger. dont forget you can adjust that forks travel to 140 or 150. i would probably set it to 140, myself, to give a bit more travel but still not throw off the handling

    yeah its a common problem...kneepads that shift during a crash are really just knee warmers

    cheers

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    The guy was real cool and showed me how to work all the suspension settings. Even threw in a suspension pump and extra seat post.

    I bought some nice A* knee/shin pads, but they obviously didn't do the trick. I might move to just need pads that provide more protection, wrap around more, and don't move easily. Huge bummer, but o well.

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