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    Since the last one wasn't "AM" enough...



    Sorry, can't find any videos with climbing included, I'm sure one will come up eventually though.

    Anyway, since apparently its all about the trail, and not the riders skill, speed, style, and flow, heres a trail a little more "gnar."

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    That trail pointed uphill for a second a couple times! Reminds me of a couple of trails we have in our area that are perfect for a 6" bike.
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    nice video...that trail has a LOT of tight berms...

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    Cool song. No excessive speed in this one

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    Nice trail, and a bit more technical than the last one! Where is it?
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    Where are the rocks?! Looks like a fun trail, I'm just used to more 1-2' drops and sliding around uncontrollably on loose rock.

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    That looks like an awesome trail, I like the flow, berms tech sections and all the sudden changes in direction rather up, down, left or right. I love that kind of riding!

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    great video and trail

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    Dude, that trails awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Nice trail, and a bit more technical than the last one! Where is it?
    Private Trail/lesser known trail in the hinterlands. Maybe in America somewhere.

    Disappointing though, I was hoping more people would talk about how much more gnar they are then the rider (Eric Carter, Downhill World Champ, who continues to put the smackdown on racers from all over to this day).

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    EC rules. Secret trail looks just as awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    Private Trail/lesser known trail in the hinterlands. Maybe in America somewhere.

    Disappointing though, I was hoping more people would talk about how much more gnar they are then the rider (Eric Carter, Downhill World Champ, who continues to put the smackdown on racers from all over to this day).

    I could probably make an educated guess as to location, but the private thing means what? Illegal trail on someone else's land? I've met Eric before, nice guy, and I know I'm not in his league. But I could ride that trail well in any case...
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    Hmm, I just noticed, it looks like he's on a Sanction, did Pacific switch him from Mongoose to GT?

    Check the vid at 37.6 seconds in, it's definitely not a Khyber.
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    Yes, they did, he and Mick Hannah will be riding on GT now. Romaniuk? Romeniuk? will still be riding for Mongoose Gravity.

    Bikenfoolferlife, I'm not really sure of the trails legality, or what goes down there, but given where its located (if I recognize the area correctly, which I'm pretty sure I do ) I'm not gonna post anything about it, but I agree its not a crazy hard trail and it looks super fun, although you need to nail those corners for it to be as flowy as he makes it look!

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    My guess is that the trail is much harder to ride that fast in real life than carter makes it look, I want to ride it and find out though.
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    Nice vid, but to me the majority of that looks like XC. Maybe I'd feel differently about it if I went bombing round myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl
    Nice vid, but to me the majority of that looks like XC. Maybe I'd feel differently about it if I went bombing round myself.


    Yah dude, I'm sure you're hella gnar and could ride like that on an XC bike rock on!

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    Looked like fun but still didn't seem very AM or anything. I'm an old man and I could ride the whole thing on my Rockhopper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfish
    Looked like fun but still didn't seem very AM or anything. I'm an old man and I could ride the whole thing on my Rockhopper.
    Petty sure you don't understand the term then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    Petty sure you don't understand the term then.
    I'm absolutely sure I do. However my interpretation here is based on what I've read by others in the AM section that there must be big jumps/drops for it to be AM which borderlines on DH or freeriding. While I don't really agree with that myself, I just applied it to this video. But thanks for telling my what I know.

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    that video was pretty sick...looks AM to me, but then again AM is very ambiguous.

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    Yeah, to me it's either XC or DH/FR. Don't see why XC is suddenly limited to racers with shaved legs and short travel bikes. I ride long loops w/ climbs, then I descend steep, rutty trails w/ mild airtime. I consider it XC, or "aggressive XC" . I understand how the term AM makes sense for manufacturers though. They're basically mini freeride bikes, around 140-160mm travel, that can still be pedaled. Am I in the ballpark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfish
    I'm absolutely sure I do. However my interpretation here is based on what I've read by others in the AM section that there must be big jumps/drops for it to be AM which borderlines on DH or freeriding. While I don't really agree with that myself, I just applied it to this video. But thanks for telling my what I know.
    Without getting into another "what does AM mean?" thread I'm going to simply put forth that I believe it's more about how you ride than where you ride. Besides, just because you can tootle your way down a trail on a XC hardtail doesn't mean the trail isn't an aggressive trail. I've seen guys ride XC bikes down some gnarly DH chutes before, just because you can do it doesn't mean it's all of a sudden a XC trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    Without getting into another "what does AM mean?" thread I'm going to simply put forth that I believe it's more about how you ride than where you ride. Besides, just because you can tootle your way down a trail on a XC hardtail doesn't mean the trail isn't an aggressive trail. I've seen guys ride XC bikes down some gnarly DH chutes before, just because you can do it doesn't mean it's all of a sudden a XC trail.
    OK chief, but did we watch the same video? The one I saw was pretty smooth, and I mean the ground not the ride. There was a couple drops he rode slow and a couple jumps that any hardtail could easily take. I didn't see anything that makes me think a hardtail XC couldn't ride that trail just as fast with an equal rider. If I messed anything please point out the time in the video. I'd be happy to go back and review it. Thanks.

    I guess if I grew up on a full suspension bike I might think its necessary too.

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    Aaaaaaaand we're off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros
    Yeah, to me it's either XC or DH/FR. Don't see why XC is suddenly limited to racers with shaved legs and short travel bikes. I ride long loops w/ climbs, then I descend steep, rutty trails w/ mild airtime. I consider it XC, or "aggressive XC" . I understand how the term AM makes sense for manufacturers though. They're basically mini freeride bikes, around 140-160mm travel, that can still be pedaled. Am I in the ballpark?
    That sounds about right. I'd consider my Rush to be almost All-Mountain with 110mm/4.3" of suspension at both ends. I certainly ride it on harder trails than either of these videos has shown.

    I consider my 150mm/6" dual suspension bike a solid AM ride.

    I'd still consider the trail shown as XC. Granted, the guy riding is a kick-ass rider, but a XC rider on a XC bike could do just as well on that trail. If it can be ridden without the tires having to leave the ground at some point, I don't consider it AM.
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    Forget about the bike he is riding and how smooth the trail looks in some places, watch how he drifts the bike around flat corners, and through bermed corners. True a very good rider could do the same thing on a xc bike, but bikes with agresssive geometry are much better suited to that style of riding. Smooth riders make all terrain look easy to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    Aaaaaaaand we're off!
    Finally! Only in the AM forum could we get people arguing about something this stupid!

    But anyway guys, it was a sweet video of a sweet trail. I could ride every trail at northstar on an XC bike, but that doesn't mean they're XC trails. If I ride them with proper flow and speed then I would break the bike, and possibly myself. Likewise, he rails the **** out of that trail hard enough it requires a bigger bike. I absolutely believe you could ride that on your hardtail. Could you make it up the tight turns with enough speed to clean em and flow? Could you go half the speed he does? LOL no not even close. So sit back, enjoy it, and stop being such nerds.

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    OK, so it's almost XC and it's almost AM. Maybe we can argue about how close does it have to be to be "almost". That would make almost as much sense as the above arguing. Right?

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    Yay!

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    nice trail. I'd like to ride my hardtail on it

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