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    Shimano Saint cranks overkill for trail/AM riding?

    Coming off a pretty worn out pair of SLX (M660's) after +2yrs of use/abuse and can't decide to replace with a pair of SLX M665 (thicker axle, spider than M660 and steel inserts) for cheap ($110) or a pair of Saint M810 double crankarms ($225) for my Yeti SB-66 that I primarily use as my "one bike" for a lot of stuff with long, big climbs to mixed terrain bomber trail descents. Are Saints total overill for this application? I am currently running Saint brakes (7"/6"), shifters, RD that I love and don't feel the bit of extra weight hinders on big climbs and having the cranks would be nice to complete the set, but they look pretty massive and don't want them to drag me down too much on all the uphill and climbing I do on a regular basis to get to what I live for, the descents.

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    I run saints on my AM bike, the saints are probably over kill, and you could save some weight by not using them over SLX or XT, but I know their not going to break.

    I'm 230 and like to jump, so i figured the extra strength was worth the cost and weight penalty.

    In the end for me garanteed reliability is more important, I don't want to have a replace a bent or broken crank any time soon. But who knows maybe SLX would be plenty strong? its certainly the best performance vs value crank out there.

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    I don't think they're overkill,I've got an XT crank that's over 5 years old and still going strong, with lots of miles and abuse, would love to see your SLX that you feel the need to replace after only 2 years. Maybe replace the worn rings, if they are indeed worn with some nice ones like the Blackspire Super Pros.
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    Do cranks even break or wear out? I was more under the impression that they lasted forever or the BB might seize up, wasn't aware that durability was really an issue for mortals.

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    Yeah they break, but it depends on your mass and riding style and terrain.

    I've broken older style XT's and SLX + some other after market brands. Shimano do make great cranks and bottom brackets.

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    Yup, definitely can, depends on how hard you ride and your terrain, if you smash them into lots of rocks or if maybe you pedal with your heal in and rub the cranks. Personally I've got 2 sets of M760 XT cranks, ones over 5 years old as I said and I did hit a very big rock with them, bent the crap out of the big ring, so now one arm is slightlybent, but running it as a double crank not an issue.

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    Do cranks even break or wear out? I was more under the impression that they lasted forever or the BB might seize up, wasn't aware that durability was really an issue for mortals.
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    no, they are badass and i wouldnt hesitate. the "older" ones, yeah...they were pigs, but even as recent as a few years ago they become VERY tolerably light (enough) to not have a single regret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble View Post
    Do cranks even break or wear out? I was more under the impression that they lasted forever or the BB might seize up, wasn't aware that durability was really an issue for mortals.
    Check out this XT crankarm from an older thread here. They got killed by shoe rub of all things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I don't think they're overkill,I've got an XT crank that's over 5 years old and still going strong, with lots of miles and abuse, would love to see your SLX that you feel the need to replace after only 2 years. Maybe replace the worn rings, if they are indeed worn with some nice ones like the Blackspire Super Pros.
    Stripped out axle spline that causes preload ring on non-drive side to come loose periodically even with max torque on pinch bolts, thus causes perceived flex at arm and cranks creaks like a 2$ ho' when mashing on the pedals (with new BB). Drive side arm has severely gauged crank arm as well and is more likely bent a bit from when I knacked a rock pretty darn hard that I didn't see with the pedal while jamming thru a tight off camber mixed trail/rocky section last fall. Hit the pedal so hard that it popped it off the crank and bent the crap of the pedal axle (Mallet) that had to be replaced immediately.

    Overall, my SLX 660 cranks look and feel like they been through the ringer after the past 2+years. With that said they are the last remaining component after a complete bike purchase 2.5yrs ago whereas everything else has been long replaced since then. So, I definitely got my money's worth out of them and why I am just thinking about getting another pair, but the slightly stronger 665 set instead, but the Saints looks so much better to me aesthetically (vain) and of course cost twice as much.

    Yes, I gave up on Shimano rings a long time ago since I typically only get a few months out of them at best, unless running all steel, which are pretty heavy. Been on Blackspire Superpro's for a couple of years now and can get about 8 months out of a set with frequent chain replacement before they are toast.
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    Hey I have used both the slx and the saint, and I have to say the slx is definitely a beefy crank for its intended purpose. Personally if I were you I would spend the cash and get the saint cranks, they will probably outlast your frame and they are definitely a top quality product. Despite the afore mentioned beefiness of the slx cranks I have never felt they perform on par with other cranks. I feel that the xt and race face atlas are much much better. As for the saints I have some on one of my bikes and they are the most worry free constant performer I have ever seen. They have zero flex and feel very similar to the slx in terms of weight. The best way to think about this then is that xt and xtr are the two tiers of light weight shimano cranks for everything from xc to am but tend to cater more to weight concerned riders. On the other side slx and saint are the two tiers of more beefy cranks that tend to cater more to fr/dh riders less concerned with weight.

    Basically I am saying I think in upgrading to the saint you will not notice the weight while maintaining the heavy duty integrity of the slx. Additionally like upgrading from xt to xtr you are improving your kit in terms of performance.

    Especially since you are willing to run the saint brakes and rear mech already I would go with the saint as you seem to care about performance over weight. One to thing to consider however depending on your set up (sorry I didn't look carefully) is that saint cranks are not always friendly with other front mechs (i.e. saint crank and xt/slx front mech), especially if they are the models with the long rear metal piece that rounds the back of the crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    no, they are badass and i wouldnt hesitate. the "older" ones, yeah...they were pigs, but even as recent as a few years ago they become VERY tolerably light (enough) to not have a single regret.
    Thanks Fo'. What bike you running them on and what's your main squeeze these days since you've been off the Turner, Nicolai Helius, I can't remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by focotacoma View Post
    Hey I have used both the slx and the saint, and I have to say the slx is definitely a beefy crank for its intended purpose. Personally if I were you I would spend the cash and get the saint cranks, they will probably outlast your frame and they are definitely a top quality product. Despite the afore mentioned beefiness of the slx cranks I have never felt they perform on par with other cranks. I feel that the xt and race face atlas are much much better. As for the saints I have some on one of my bikes and they are the most worry free constant performer I have ever seen. They have zero flex and feel very similar to the slx in terms of weight. The best way to think about this then is that xt and xtr are the two tiers of light weight shimano cranks for everything from xc to am but tend to cater more to weight concerned riders. On the other side slx and saint are the two tiers of more beefy cranks that tend to cater more to fr/dh riders less concerned with weight.

    Basically I am saying I think in upgrading to the saint you will not notice the weight while maintaining the heavy duty integrity of the slx. Additionally like upgrading from xt to xtr you are improving your kit in terms of performance.

    Especially since you are willing to run the saint brakes and rear mech already I would go with the saint as you seem to care about performance over weight. One to thing to consider however depending on your set up (sorry I didn't look carefully) is that saint cranks are not always friendly with other front mechs (i.e. saint crank and xt/slx front mech), especially if they are the models with the long rear metal piece that rounds the back of the crank.
    Thanks FC! Great user feedback and appreciate taking the time to share your experience with the two. Rep at ya' bro!
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    I'm running saints on my Summer Season, don't mind a little weight penalty in exchange for being bombproof
    bonus points for buying them barely used, and not having to worry about them...
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    Here are some very good looking used cranks that will not break the pocket. If you keep a eye out on eBay, every few weeks someone is selling a new set for $150-200. I just bought new m815 w/38t ring for $200. Matter of fact they should be here today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    Check out this XT crankarm from an older thread here. They got killed by shoe rub of all things.
    Wow, that's the first time in my life I see something like this. I didn't know that walls in hollowtech cranks are that thin.
    I have seen bent/twisted spline on the axle of some higly abused HT2 cranks, also XT FC-M770 cranks with bent spider arms.

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    if i rubbed my heals on my cranks enough to do that^ i would definitely make or have someone make some washers to space the pedals out a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drth Vadr View Post
    Here are some very good looking used cranks that will not break the pocket. If you keep a eye out on eBay, every few weeks someone is selling a new set for $150-200. I just bought new m815 w/38t ring for $200. Matter of fact they should be here today.

    saint 175 68/73 crankset | eBay

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    shimano saint cranks and shimano 68/73mm euro bottom bracket - Pinkbike.com
    Good finds, especially the first one. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by focotacoma View Post
    Hey I have used both the slx and the saint, and I have to say the slx is definitely a beefy crank for its intended purpose. Personally if I were you I would spend the cash and get the saint cranks, they will probably outlast your frame and they are definitely a top quality product. Despite the afore mentioned beefiness of the slx cranks I have never felt they perform on par with other cranks. I feel that the xt and race face atlas are much much better. As for the saints I have some on one of my bikes and they are the most worry free constant performer I have ever seen. They have zero flex and feel very similar to the slx in terms of weight. The best way to think about this then is that xt and xtr are the two tiers of light weight shimano cranks for everything from xc to am but tend to cater more to weight concerned riders. On the other side slx and saint are the two tiers of more beefy cranks that tend to cater more to fr/dh riders less concerned with weight.

    Basically I am saying I think in upgrading to the saint you will not notice the weight while maintaining the heavy duty integrity of the slx. Additionally like upgrading from xt to xtr you are improving your kit in terms of performance.

    Especially since you are willing to run the saint brakes and rear mech already I would go with the saint as you seem to care about performance over weight. One to thing to consider however depending on your set up (sorry I didn't look carefully) is that saint cranks are not always friendly with other front mechs (i.e. saint crank and xt/slx front mech), especially if they are the models with the long rear metal piece that rounds the back of the crank.
    BTW, are you comparing the SLX 660's (triple all ALU) vs. Saints or the 665 (double steel axle/inserts, thicker spider)? I am coming off the 660 SLX (converted to double 36/24t) and did me fine for past couple of years, but thinking I would benefit from the steel/thicker parts of the 665 while retaining similar feel and FD compatibility. Also why do you feel XT's are so much better than SLX, besides weight?
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    Yes saint cranks are overkill on an AM rig. XT are great but are slightly more on the delicate side but if you treat them right you should be fine. SLX are great rugged and strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    BTW, are you comparing the SLX 660's (triple all ALU) vs. Saints or the 665 (double steel axle/inserts, thicker spider)? I am coming off the 660 SLX (converted to double 36/24t) and did me fine for past couple of years, but thinking I would benefit from the steel/thicker parts of the 665 while retaining similar feel and FD compatibility. Also why do you feel XT's are so much better than SLX, besides weight?
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    I have ridden both slx versions (660 and 665) and I would say that the difference between the two i quite marginal. The double 665 is slightly beefier but not a huge amount. The Saint is obviously noticeably more beefy than either slx but in terms of strength I the 665 and 660 are negligible. The Saint is very much stiffer than either slx.

    In terms of the xt I think the strength to weight ratio is much higher than that seen in the slx which is something to consider. I had xt (last model 2011 can't remember the model) cranks on my 'shore' bike before I had saints and they very light and strong but the saints are noticeably stiffer. Slx feels slightly shaky to me but a lot of people ride them.

    In short both slx models are less stiff and smooth than the xt (but are more beefy and probably less delicate) the saint trumps both by a wide margin (more comparable to solid cranks like the race face atlas).

    xt's are easily strong enough to hold up to big hits (i.e. 10ft drops) on a regular basis but will not last like saints. Slx on the other hand is a crank that can hold up but is a little more 'floppy' they also tend to not stay as tight and consistent as xt and saint. If i were you I would the saint if you want better performance and stiffness, otherwise compromise strength with weight for the xt (which will be stronger more and consistent than the slx and feels a bit smoother in terms of rotation and firmness under foot (all characteristics of the saint) while also bringing heightened shifting performance).

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    OK, sounds like you've beaten on them pretty good. Curious how much you weigh and what sort of drops/jumps you do? I personally pretty much keep my wheel son the ground and only weigh about 175-180lbs geared to ride, so could be part of why my XTs lasted, although I do think I did give them some rough treatment over the years.

    On the BS rings, have to ask, how much riding are you doing to wear out a set in 8 months? I've had rings for years from them and short of bashing them on big rocks, really hard they seem to last forever for me - got I think about 2.5 years out my last middle and the granny and big ring are still going strong.

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    Yes, I gave up on Shimano rings a long time ago since I typically only get a few months out of them at best, unless running all steel, which are pretty heavy. Been on Blackspire Superpro's for a couple of years now and can get about 8 months out of a set with frequent chain replacement before they are toast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    OK, sounds like you've beaten on them pretty good. Curious how much you weigh and what sort of drops/jumps you do? I personally pretty much keep my wheel son the ground and only weigh about 175-180lbs geared to ride, so could be part of why my XTs lasted, although I do think I did give them some rough treatment over the years.

    On the BS rings, have to ask, how much riding are you doing to wear out a set in 8 months? I've had rings for years from them and short of bashing them on big rocks, really hard they seem to last forever for me - got I think about 2.5 years out my last middle and the granny and big ring are still going strong.
    No big drops, just some table jumps and maybe a drop jump (3-5') to smooth transition here and there at most. Mostly aggro trail/light DH/FR'ing the most with typically no gaps, big drops or big manmade features and ride frequent backcountry XC/trail grinds to bomber descents in NW Oregon/SW WA (mostly buffed trail with roots and hits here and there, nothing too rocky at all) ridden 3-4x/wk tops due to family/career. Weigh about 215lbs geared, not a total hack, but hard on things to some degree (broke my last two frames in about 1.5 yrs time, one totally failed at BB weld/ST/DT junction while riding in 7months, the second cracked at same location 9 months later - largely due to manufacture defect though).

    I think I could of got about 10-12 months max out of my last set set of BS rings but changed them before a ride trip this winter since they looked pretty haggered and was gradually losing shifting performance and wanting my bike dialed while on trip. I usually change rings when most of teeth looks worn and haggered and doesn't shift as well. That's me
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    I ended up with Saint's after bending an XT arm with a pedal strike up at Post Canyon. I noticed an increase in stiffness with the Saints and did not notice the extra half pound on the bike. The weight is at the best possible spot on the bike and would rather be running them with flat pedals. I would rather bend a pedal spindle than a crank arm.

    BTW, Shimano did honor the 2 year warranty on the XT's with out any issues. They sent me a new set of cranks that I just installed on my new Chilcotin. However, if I had a second pair of Saints, I would not hesitate to use them on the new bike.
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    Saints are great for AM. I noticed an increase in stiffness coming from RF Atlas cranks. The newer, even lighter versions should be better again.

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    I've had a few sets of the SLX M665 cranks and/or crank arms (the beefed up axle with steel pedal inserts). Nice cranks.

    I put a set of Saints on my Chilcotin, and love them. They are stiff as hell. Stiffer than SLX? Can't really fairly say, since I didn't have SLX on the Chili.

    FWIW, comparing the Saint crank arms to the M665 crank arms, and including the axle end adjustment cap, but no bolts, no rings, etc, the Saints were right at 1/4 pound heavier. SLX were 637g, Saints were 753. For 116 grams, unless I'm building a weight weenie bike, I'll take the Saints any day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    Check out this XT crankarm from an older thread here. They got killed by shoe rub of all things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crank1979@optusnet.com.au View Post
    Saints are great for AM. I noticed an increase in stiffness coming from RF Atlas cranks. The newer, even lighter versions should be better again.
    Thx! Yes, the new Saint and even Zee cranks looks pretty solid for sure, but only in single ring set-up. If wanting double, then it's last years Saints (FC-M810-1).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    I ended up with Saint's after bending an XT arm with a pedal strike up at Post Canyon. I noticed an increase in stiffness with the Saints and did not notice the extra half pound on the bike. The weight is at the best possible spot on the bike and would rather be running them with flat pedals. I would rather bend a pedal spindle than a crank arm.

    BTW, Shimano did honor the 2 year warranty on the XT's with out any issues. They sent me a new set of cranks that I just installed on my new Chilcotin. However, if I had a second pair of Saints, I would not hesitate to use them on the new bike.
    Thx Bubba! Would you run Saints instead of XT if you had another set on your new "Chili" as well?

    Edit...just read your post above, which was different than in my e-mail that I originally read. So, got my answer.

    But, why prefer flats with those cranks? I am a Mallet whore, so clipped in for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I've had a few sets of the SLX M665 cranks and/or crank arms (the beefed up axle with steel pedal inserts). Nice cranks.

    I put a set of Saints on my Chilcotin, and love them. They are stiff as hell. Stiffer than SLX? Can't really fairly say, since I didn't have SLX on the Chili.

    FWIW, comparing the Saint crank arms to the M665 crank arms, and including the axle end adjustment cap, but no bolts, no rings, etc, the Saints were right at 1/4 pound heavier. SLX were 637g, Saints were 753. For 116 grams, unless I'm building a weight weenie bike, I'll take the Saints any day of the week.
    Thanks Recoil, much appreciate the weights as well since hard to find weight for just the arms and since I will be putting different rings/bash on than standard crankset set-up. Are the weights with BB as well or not? BB's about 100g's, right? If that is the case (not included in above weight) then looking at 1042g for Saints (double+bash) and 926g for SLX 665. Not too concerned about weight since I only want to run SLX or Saint at this point, but would optimally want AM cranks <1kilo if possible. But if Saints are that much stiffer without hindering much for long climbs up, then I am all over that
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Thx Bubba! Would you run Saints instead of XT if you had another set on your new "Chili" as well?

    Edit...just read your post above, which was different than in my e-mail that I originally read. So, got my answer.

    But, why prefer flats with those cranks? I am a Mallet whore, so clipped in for me.
    I would prefer a the stronger crank (Saints) with flat pedals due to the amount of energy that can be transmitted with a pedal strike. Flat pedals are quite a bit wider than the Speedplay Frogs I used to ride.

    I am using Point 1 Podiums and they have a big surface area/connection to the crank arm. When I bent my XT cranks, the Point 1 pedal was not damaged. If this ever happens again, I am hoping the Saint cranks will be stronger than the Podium's pedal spindle.

    Edit: If you want to loose some weight on the Saint bash guard, try out a BBG. They are local, inexpensive and work great. If it gets chewed up they only cost $12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    I would prefer a the stronger crank (Saints) with flat pedals due to the amount of energy that can be transmitted with a pedal strike. Flat pedals are quite a bit wider than the Speedplay Frogs I used to ride.

    I am using Point 1 Podiums and they have a big surface area/connection to the crank arm. When I bent my XT cranks, the Point 1 pedal was not damaged. If this ever happens again, I am hoping the Saint cranks will be stronger than the Podium's pedal spindle.

    Edit: If you want to loose some weight on the Saint bash guard, try out a BBG. They are local, inexpensive and work great. If it gets chewed up they only cost $12.
    Gotcha. That says a lot about the strength of that pedal spindle.

    Will check out the BBG, thanks, but also have an E-13 Turbocharger that is only 87g's (much lighter than the SLX bash and Saint bash as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Thanks Recoil, much appreciate the weights as well since hard to find weight for just the arms and since I will be putting different rings/bash on than standard crankset set-up. Are the weights with BB as well or not? BB's about 100g's, right? If that is the case (not included in above weight) then looking at 1042g for Saints (double+bash) and 926g for SLX 665. Not too concerned about weight since I only want to run SLX or Saint at this point, but would optimally want AM cranks <1kilo if possible. But if Saints are that much stiffer without hindering much for long climbs up, then I am all over that
    Who's Recoil? That a GIJoe figure?

    Those weights are without a bottom bracket. I've no idea what a Shimano bb weighs though.

    When you hold the Saints in your hands though, you can tell they are just going to be stiffer and bombproof. They are just burly. I run them on my DH bike so I knew what abuse they could handle. I also run flat pedals, and agree with Bubba13 above with the pedal strike issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Who's Recoil? That a GIJoe figure?

    Those weights are without a bottom bracket. I've no idea what a Shimano bb weighs though.

    When you hold the Saints in your hands though, you can tell they are just going to be stiffer and bombproof. They are just burly. I run them on my DH bike so I knew what abuse they could handle. I also run flat pedals, and agree with Bubba13 above with the pedal strike issue.

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    Saint crankarm compatibility?

    Will these work with two rings + bash or only single ring + bash compatible? Plan/hope to run them as double ring set-up of course.
    Universal Cycles -- Shimano Saint M810-1 Crankarm Set 1 w/BB

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    Nope, those are the ones for single ring use. The granny bolt holes aren't tapped. I'm using those currently.

    You need the M810-2 version if you want to run 2 rings.

    With the new Saint announced and up on Shimano's website, and the old specs gone, the old stuff might start getting blown out pretty soon. No idea though, but worth thinking about.
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    You need to get the 810-2 from what I remember (can't look at my bike right now but mine are the single ring). The way the 2nd ring is set up on these cranks you on use on part chainring bolt pair (just the female end (threads on outside)) which threads directly into the back of the spider arms. These male threaded ports on the spider are just on the 810-2 arms so as to save more weight on the 810-1.

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    Shimano Saint Chainset Double FC M810-2 36/22T 170mm New | eBay

    Just a note....I didn't check the above links for bb width (however this last ebay seller one is cheap and is the right width)

    The last link in the previous post is super cheap (don't know about the seller/site) but hel if you order that might pick up some cheap cheap pads for you brakes as well!!!!!

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    I have had both older and new style Saint cranks on bikes, loved them but the Bottom Bracket in my opinion is where the quality is. I sold the DH bike and went with an SLX 660 2x9 on my Firebird. I added a King BB and the crank came to life. I'm 240lbs and it's doing fine as far as stiffness goes. The weight savings and performance of a quality BB is why I'm staying with SLX. The new Saint did look awesome on my Highline. I'd go SLX 665 and King BB. Syncline will tear up any crank if you smack a rock the wrong way, might as well bash up an SLX

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    I have had both older and new style Saint cranks on bikes, loved them but the Bottom Bracket in my opinion is where the quality is. I sold the DH bike and went with an SLX 660 2x9 on my Firebird. I added a King BB and the crank came to life. I'm 240lbs and it's doing fine as far as stiffness goes. The weight savings and performance of a quality BB is why I'm staying with SLX. The new Saint did look awesome on my Highline. I'd go SLX 665 and King BB. Syncline will tear up any crank if you smack a rock the wrong way, might as well bash up an SLX
    Just to let you know the difference in weight between what you are proposing and the full saint set up is 130g approximately .25 lbs

    and will cost about $400

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    I have had both older and new style Saint cranks on bikes, loved them but the Bottom Bracket in my opinion is where the quality is. I sold the DH bike and went with an SLX 660 2x9 on my Firebird. I added a King BB and the crank came to life. I'm 240lbs and it's doing fine as far as stiffness goes. The weight savings and performance of a quality BB is why I'm staying with SLX. The new Saint did look awesome on my Highline. I'd go SLX 665 and King BB. Syncline will tear up any crank if you smack a rock the wrong way, might as well bash up an SLX
    Thanks HT and all. Sounds like we like to ride similar stuff at same locales, so appreciate the feedback. Didn't know a different BB could affect the quality of the ride so much. Always thought some just last longer than others. On my 660 SLX, I ran the XT BB and able to get smooth rotation for at least a year (ridden all year round in wet conditions at times) so was happy with that.

    I am starting to re-think my crank choice, even though it is just a crank. Was going to buy the Saint 810 crankarms afterall and use my own bash/rings ($207 w/shipping at 20% off today at Masherz). But, since they can't be ran double, it's a no go. Also found the Saint 810-2 double set for only $240 shipped, but only in 170mm and I have been using 175mm length for all the pedalling I do for many of years. So, it looks like the SLX 665 set for $110+shipping and can always put in a King or Saint BB in down the road.

    So yes, all the older Shimano stuff is blowing out pretty cheap right now and want to grab a set in my size while I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Will these work with two rings + bash or only single ring + bash compatible? Plan/hope to run them as double ring set-up of course.
    Universal Cycles -- Shimano Saint M810-1 Crankarm Set 1 w/BB

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    From what I remember, this is what I ordered from Universal and it came with the crank tapped for the double. It came with a full bolt set for both rings and a Saint BB. I know it says -1 on the part number, but it states Mountain Double in the description. You can always return it if it is not tapped for the granny...

    I did check my order history, but cannot find the receipt for this crank.

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    Weird, pretty sure this is what I have also, but I DON'T think my granny ring tabs are tapped.

    I'll check when I get home tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    From what I remember, this is what I ordered from Universal and it came with the crank tapped for the double. It came with a full bolt set for both rings and a Saint BB. I know it says -1 on the part number, but it states Mountain Double in the description. You can always return it if it is not tapped for the granny...

    I did check my order history, but cannot find the receipt for this crank.

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    Yep, Vic at Universal said they have "granny" holes so should work for double, but when I called Shimano to confirm they said that set is for single + bash only and would have to buy the whole 810-2 crankset w/rings/bash instead. Are you running the 810-1 arms with two rings on your set-up? Regardless, I was going to order the Saints yesterday for $207 shipped, but opted out due to possible non-double ring compatibility and didn't want to pay the extra dough for the whole Saint double set. So, I just ordered a SLX 665 set for $110 (sale ended last night at Blueskycycling). Will upgrade to Saint BB or maybe Chris King down the road and see if that adds some performance to to SLX set.

    PM me if you want to ride sometime Bubba. I usually head out solo when I do, but always down to ride with someone if I can.
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    Puff puff give!!!!

    Edit: posted in response to the crack pipe comment BELOW me. No idea how this post got in front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Weird, pretty sure this is what I have also, but I DON'T think my granny ring tabs are tapped.

    I'll check when I get home tonight.
    rscecil...you are CORRECT! I need to put the crack pipe down.

    There are holes but they would need to have a raised inside portion and a tapped hole to mount a granny. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. Pictures of my -1 crank set set up 1x.

    Good thing you ordered the SLX Jgusta.

    Edit: U-cycles just informed me what "mountain double" for the -1 cranks refers to. Middle and outer ring, no granny.
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    I have Saint cranks on all of my bikes (Blur TRc, Knolly Delirium, Knolly Podium) - they simply work!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Thx Bubba! Would you run Saints instead of XT if you had another set on your new "Chili" as well?

    Edit...just read your post above, which was different than in my e-mail that I originally read. So, got my answer.

    But, why prefer flats with those cranks? I am a Mallet whore, so clipped in for me.
    I run my Saint cranks as a single ring set up.

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    Crank length change?

    So, starting to have buyer's remorse after I bought the SLX 665 to replace my haggered 660 set. Installed and rode tonight and didn't notice any difference in stiffness at all and wishing I bought the Saint afterall. Was going to get the Saint 810-1 crankarms, but decided not at last minute due to non-double ring compatibility. I can get a Saint double set for $240 new, but only in 170mm length. I have been running 175's for about 12yrs and curious is going shorter to 170 going to affect my pedalling all that much or pretty minimal if at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    So, starting to have buyer's remorse after I bought the SLX 665 to replace my haggered 660 set. Installed and rode tonight and didn't notice any difference in stiffness at all and wishing I bought the Saint afterall. Was going to get the Saint 810-1 crankarms, but decided not at last minute due to non-double ring compatibility. I can get a Saint double set for $240 new, but only in 170mm length. I have been running 175's for about 12yrs and curious is going shorter to 170 going to affect my pedalling all that much or pretty minimal if at all?
    Thx.
    It will be really minimal 165 to 175 is a slight change 170 to 175 is almost nothing. I have 175 XT on my 575 (trail bike) and Saint 170 on my play bike but I switched them over before I got the frame for my play bike and rode saints on my 575, it looked goofy but if anything the pedaling improved (especially because I get fewer rock strikes on techie climbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Weird, pretty sure this is what I have also, but I DON'T think my granny ring tabs are tapped.

    I'll check when I get home tonight.
    Mine weren't tapped but I tapped them myself and added a few spacers and run a small ring. The holes are the right size for the tap.

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