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    PROTECTING a new frame

    I want to gather some ideas on protecting bike frames from rocks, cable rub, and scuffs from leg armor, as well as chain slap. Things I've used before are lizard skins and cut tire tubes wrapped around chainstays, plus various stickers on areas of the frame and clear packaging tape on the downtube. The last two strategies weren't effective as the cables wore through the stickers and tape in a short time.

    My last bike frame showed wear quickly from leg armor rub on the top tube and multiple points of wear from cable rub and in a few areas, the cable even began to wear through the aluminum creating a small depression in the tubing, creating a weak point in the frame.

    Now I have several new frames and I want to do it right from the start. What have you done for protecting your frame and where did you get the parts. I'd like to know if there's any kind of felt wrap for cable housing to avoid frame wear.

    Oh yes, crank arms scuffs and seat tube scuffs are an issue with me on top of all I've mentioned. Maybe my body is all out of alignment. Haha.
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    honestly, i dont worry much about it, i mean its a mountain bike, go out and enjoy yourself and dont worry so much about the frame, if its not getting scratched/nicked your not enjoying yourself very much IMO
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    I didn't worry about it in the past. Basically wore out bikes, but if certain things are avoidable, especially since I've spent over 4 grand on my last bike, then I want to care for it right. Believe me though, I've scratched and dented bikes plenty, and I'm not sensitive about it, but I don't want my frames to be destroyed unneccessarily.
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    Jagwire does some great little cable/frame protectors…


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    Road bike bar tape is great stuff and its really easy to work with.
    I always use it on the rear triangle on my trail bikes. Way more durable than lizard skins and much cheaper too.

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    I have never tried it, but I have heard that the fuzzy (loop) side of velcro works wonderfully for frame protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcstumpy
    Road bike bar tape is great stuff and its really easy to work with.
    I always use it on the rear triangle on my trail bikes. Way more durable than lizard skins and much cheaper too.

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    This gives me another idea, maybe try tennis racquet grip wrap. It's durable and thick. Don't know if it's cheaper than road bike bar tape.
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    I am another one that says fuggeddaboudet. Ride it like it's stolen (within reason) and don't worry about the scratches. They just add character. Plus when your stick get really beat up looking it is a good excuse to get a new frame! IMO there is nothing goofier than a bike with a bunch of protectors on it. Plus we all worry about weight (even if we say we don't), no reason to put a bunch of extra grams on it that don't do anything (ie faster, lighter, cooler).

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    What I have done is this:

    Go to a graphic/print/sign shop and ask them for clear vinyl tape with one sided adhesive. I once bought a 3"x40' roll for about $40. It has all the tape you will ever need and is somewhat stretchy and thick. That's what I would use.

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    I'm not going to totally forget about it...my last frame had it's front triangle sent back to the manufacturer after 2 seasons of riding and upon their inspection, they felt that cable rub had compromised the integrity of the frame in that it had eaten away at the tubing, creating weak spots. I tried various routing configurations, to avoid this, but after riding almost daily, in hindsight, I should have protected the frame better. THIS kind of wear was avoidable if I had placed cable jacket soft covers or had reinforced the frame at critical points where the cable repeatedly rubbed at from the rear suspension movement.
    Last edited by Aust95; 02-18-2009 at 05:19 AM.
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    paint protector film, I got a 12"X60" piece on ebay for less than $10.

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    I put some Racers Tape (the clear helicopter tape version) on my Ibis Mojo. That was about 2 years ago and it has held up really well to all sorts of abuse.

    I picked up some Frame Wrap for my Downhill bike and have been really impressed with it on the chain stay. It is very easy to put on and you don't need to worry about zip ties and old tubes or sticking velcro type material there. A little section of it on your bars under a timer also works really well.

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    If you're not too worried about weight maybe try one of the brush on bed liners for trucks. Should be pretty durable. I've seen it at WalMart. I think there's a spray can version as well.

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    i just got a new frame too and i didnt want to have finger prints on it. that changed pretty soon though after my first ride.

    go to price point.com and they have lizard skins and sette 3m 1x1.5 inch cablerub stickers. there thick rubber. and i cut mine even smaller jusrt enuff to stop the cable from rubbing. i love them. i have the sette kevlar chainstay protector too.

    but even with all that protection your still going to get scraps and dings in your paint from normal riding but like said earlier it just adds character to your bike. its like a scar and chicks dig scars. haha but i think as long as its just cosmetic and not a dent or rubbing through metal your golden like ali baba!
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    my last frame had it's front triangle sent back to the manufacturer after 2 seasons of riding and upon their inspection, they felt that cable rub had compromised the integrity of the frame.
    Your last bike manufacturer is an a-hole. Never buy from them again. I can't imagine Turner, Knolly, Yeti, Ventana or even Specialized for that matter, pulling that crapolla.

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    helicopter tape; job done
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13
    If you're not too worried about weight maybe try one of the brush on bed liners for trucks. Should be pretty durable. I've seen it at WalMart. I think there's a spray can version as well.
    Nice, maybe I'll get a few gallons of that and then dip the whole frame in it. Seriously, that does sound like an idea. Thanks.
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    A company called Crankskinz or something like that makes clear frame protecting vinyl kits that are supposed to be tough as nails.
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    ditto on chopper tape

    I have used 3M 8663 aviation tape for years on high impact, high wear areas on bike frames and it works great. The downside - $$$$. Occasionally you can find it on eBay - I bought a roll of 100 ft x 4" for $100 - that should last me forever; it has lasted for 3 years now anyway and 10 frames.
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    Does the 3M and Aviation/Helicopter tape stand up to chain chop on the stays? I wanted something more subtle than wrapping a cut rubber tire tube that's why the clear tape sounds good especially if it'll stand up to the chain, otherwise, I'll think about the handlebar tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride
    Your last bike manufacturer is an a-hole. Never buy from them again. I can't imagine Turner, Knolly, Yeti, Ventana or even Specialized for that matter, pulling that crapolla.
    Posted some pictures of wear on the shock link/swingarm. The third is wear on the side link plate. The first and second pics are wear and pit formation on the cross bridge between the swingarm plates. These wear areas where the cable housing ran by. Unfortunately I don't have the front triangle anymore, but the wear was worse and to no surprise since I guess the aluminum was softer on the frame compared to the shock link. So there was a valid concern of compromised frame strength. The pictures don't do the wear justice--apologize for the poor quality--touching the wear areas, you can dip a finger tip into the notching. That's why I want to avoid wear on the new frames I have.
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    two zip ties on those areas act as a loop to guide the housing would have prevented the rub you got

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    Just a little bit of electrical tape to take care of brake rub for me, everything else is out of my control and gets scratched eventually weather I like it or not

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    when i used to road race cars we would use clear plastic film in areas we didnt want scratched...

    i never ordered from this place but this is the stuff we used: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...oduct=3437-001

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    This gives me another idea, maybe try tennis racquet grip wrap. It's durable and thick. Don't know if it's cheaper than road bike bar tape.
    I use tennis racquet grip at the top of my downtube to protect it from bike racks around campus and have some around the chainstay. A Wilson brand roll can be had for a couple bucks at walmart. Of course you wouldn't want this for large-scale protection since it would hide your beautiful paint
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    Rubberized hockey stick tape

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    Road Grip wrap on the chainstay, wrap it nice and tight, be strategic on where you stop and start, fasten it securely and it does a great job. It comes in about any color/texture imaginable.
    Everywhere else I use 3M clear number plate background sold at about any Motorcycle shop that caters to the Moto Crosser. It is thick, plyable, durable, and fairly inexpensive.
    For best results apply on a new finish, or for sure a super clean one.
    Also a word of caution, dont go overboard, and know that you can do more (cosmetic) harm than good if you _ick it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    Does the 3M and Aviation/Helicopter tape stand up to chain chop on the stays? I wanted something more subtle than wrapping a cut rubber tire tube that's why the clear tape sounds good especially if it'll stand up to the chain, otherwise, I'll think about the handlebar tape.
    I do not use the 3M tape on the chain stay; I use reversed velcro 3" tape that you can buy at WalMart - it holds up real well and it very inexpensive when it it time to replace - $3 roll will get you 2x on a chain stay and it is self-adhesive.
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    Can these clear adhesive tapes be easily removed without leaving residue on the frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    Can these clear adhesive tapes be easily removed without leaving residue on the frame?
    the stuff i used really needed a heat gun to remove, and did leave some residue.. but nothing that couldnt be taken off using some typical wax and grease remover from your local automotive paint supply store

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    I'm not going to totally forget about it...my last frame had it's front triangle sent back to the manufacturer after 2 seasons of riding and upon their inspection, they felt that cable rub had compromised the integrity of the frame in that it had eaten away at the tubing, creating weak spots. I tried various routing configurations, to avoid this, but after riding almost daily, in hindsight, I should have protected the frame better. THIS kind of wear was avoidable if I had placed cable jacket soft covers or had reinforced the frame at critical points where the cable repeatedly rubbed at from the rear suspension movement.
    Not surprised in the slightest that THEY said that. You used their standard cable routing and then they blame you. I digress...

    Personally, I'm too lazy but I totally understand the desire to protect your frame. Chances are in a year or two you'll want to be riding something different. Makes it easier to demand top dollar if the frame is in mint condition. In the past I've used high end 3m packing tape. I'd cut it out to the proper size and then layer it 3 or 4 times. When it eventually wears I remove it, clean the area, and start over. As far as chainstays go I've only had luck with the ole' spare tube wrap. The lizard skins would fall apart after about a season or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak
    Not surprised in the slightest that THEY said that. You used their standard cable routing and then they blame you. I digress...
    Don't want too say much about THEM here. You had some inside info from me a few weeks ago. The story played out further; to put it briefly, they retracted a free offer and then used some bait to reel me into an option I begrudgingly took in order to have a bike. I don't consider it customer service, rather it was more like crafty salesmanship.
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    Removal has proven to be a problem on my clear coated Ibis Mojo frame. No issue what-so-ever on my Trek frame. It tends to leave a residue on the clear that by the time you have cleaned it off be it with elbow grease or chemicals you have compromised the clear finish.

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    Clear mylar tape for cable-rub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YZF571
    Removal has proven to be a problem on my clear coated Ibis Mojo frame. No issue what-so-ever on my Trek frame. It tends to leave a residue on the clear that by the time you have cleaned it off be it with elbow grease or chemicals you have compromised the clear finish.
    Sounds like with carbon fiber once the tape is placed, it's better left alone. Could that residue be wipped off with a less abrasive cloth in order to not affect that clear coat?
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    Jagwire Tube Tops Frame Protectors

    - Protects frame from housing scratches
    - Slides over 4 or 5mm housing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    This gives me another idea, maybe try tennis racquet grip wrap. It's durable and thick. Don't know if it's cheaper than road bike bar tape.
    Go to an auto parts store and pick up a roll of cheap cold-shrink tape

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    I just picked up a set of Lizard Skins 3M tape kit. I believed it included 2 downtube strips and a set of 6 small square tape patches for high rub area's. Other than that, I just used an old inner tube cut in half and wrapped it around the drive side chainstay to protect against chain slap, rocks etc.
    Works for me!
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    Jagwire Tube Tops Frame Protectors

    I also like the rubber Jagwire Tube Tops. They come in various diameters for shifter cables and brakes, including hydro hoses. Make sure you get the newer 3G version. The older kind don't have a slit in them, so they have to be pushed (if not forced) all the way down the length of housing into position

    They can also be used to eliminate housing on housing wear down if you have any housings/hoses rubbing each other in front of your bars. In that application, best to put tube tops on the brake hoses since their outer surface is grippier than most derailleur cable housings, meaning the tube tops are less likely to try to migrate away from the problem spot. Generally speaking though, the right sized tube tops stay in place well even without being held in place against a frame surface.

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    anyone know where they sell the Jagwire Tube Top 3G versions in the United Kingdom, having trouble finding them, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by b4 stealth
    I have never tried it, but I have heard that the fuzzy (loop) side of velcro works wonderfully for frame protection.
    I have had great results with this... Plus, it's super cheap!

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    Crankskins.com hase thick vinyl stickers that are cut to fit crank arms and have some frame protection stuff to

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    I have so much cable rub on my Force already it would probably make you cry. I would care, but I ride my bike over rocks, and jump it, and crash sometimes...because it's a mountain bike. Isn't yours also?
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    Ok dude, I'm going to hopefully end this thread by instructing you to go to google and type in Veloskin. They will take of you, and their protective film will take care of your bike frame. This stuff really works well. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    This gives me another idea, maybe try tennis racquet grip wrap. It's durable and thick. Don't know if it's cheaper than road bike bar tape.
    I use baseball bat grip, so same thing, it is nice and thick and reduces chainslap noise almost completely. It can be difficult to to apply to odd shape stays, the trick is keep it tight. If there are any spots that the tape doesn't reach I use the fuzzy velcro in small patches!

    Frame rub is a bit harder to protect against, again I use small patches of fuzzy velcro, although it does look a little ugly, hence only using small patches.

    My experience with clear patches is the cables rub through them anyway!

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    I like going to a boat storage facility and having them heat shrink my frame. It works really well and protects it in the winter.

    I used to put my bike in a glass case and then evacuated it and charged with nitrogen.

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    Seriously you are going to do all this work to protect your frame, then you are going to mess it up anyways, and then you will realize you've just been wasting time and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    Seriously you are going to do all this work to protect your frame, then you are going to mess it up anyways, and then you will realize you've just been wasting time and money.
    yea, because it takes so much work to stick a large sticker on the frame....

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