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    Pedal rant, my opinion matters!

    I've been riding for about a year now. I like to consider myself all-mountain. I started off with a stock Trek 4500 Hardtail which had some generic cage pedals I rode on, after a few times cutting up my shins from a few molecules of moisture getting on my pedals I decided to go clipless, bout the eggbeater SL's and some sweet Specialized Shoes.
    The difference between clipless and cage pedals was immediately apparent, in uphill sections I could really apply the power and found myself hopping off the bike and making the walk of shame a lot less often. As I became a better rider I paid less attention to my feet being stuck on my pedals and more attention on gracefully navigating the trails, and conserving energy so I could flow all the way around the trails without having to stop and sweat breathe hard. Wait what? I am an all-mountain rider, but I felt as if I was becoming XC and I couldn't figure out why I was getting more skilled, to become more boring. Well I found a solution...
    This is a stupid reason to try anything! But I noticed in a lot of bike porn that the people doing really cool ****, were almost always riding platforms. Ok whatever, what's the harm in trying that for a while. I purchase some Crank Brothers 5050 XX's in gold(because they are pimp), and some FiveTen Impact 2 lowtops.
    Upon hitting the same trails that I rode with the eggbeaters, it was as if I just got unplugged from the Matrix, and was seeing the real world for the first time! I guess somewhere in my subconscious was a minute level of fear that would keep me from trying to ride hard. Now that I am on the 5050's, I corner like I am furious at the dirt, and I want to put my tires to the test. I push off small jumps as hard as I can, and ponder in mid-air, who would make such a small gay dirt jump? I go into my big ring and pedal hard on whatever downhills I come across. I will attempt to bunny hop anything, and am no longer afraid of catching my back wheel and falling(like I have in the past.) And the best thing of all? I like to personally challenge myself to see how long I can go without touching the brake levers, did you know you don't actually have to break for half the **** you think you have to hit the brakes for? I didn't, until now.

    I doubt you really read that wall of text, but if you did. The message is simple. For me at least. If you want to push your aggressive riding to the limits. Try platforms. Don't just ride clipless because everybody else does, give them both a shot. I mean, what's the harm in trying something new? You can always ebay your used pedals if you don't like them. The freedom to bail, or put your foot down at ANY TIME can set you free!

    "If you wanna play blindman, go walk with the shepard. But me? My eyes are now wide f**king open!"
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    I'm with you I guess it just comes down to a personal choice but I ride platforms so just too be free and have the ability to shift my feet around where as being clipped in you don't have that option. For me it works better but to someone else it may not but like you said just try different things and find the sweet spot in my opinion there is no hard fast rule on gear or equipment to do any task just have fun.

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    I heard that guy gee atherton, no wait, maybe steve pea....nono, it was greg minnar, I heard that guy rode clipless alot, I guess he rides pretty aggressively.

    At any rate, glad that you're enjoying flats, I go back and forth, but its definitely possible to ride aggressively with clipless

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    Platforms + Impacts =

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    I like platforms on downhills, but climbing up rocky stair steps clipless pedals give me way more ability to drive my foot over the top of the stroke, and pull the bike up with me.

    On platforms I dabbed on more uphills from my foot flying off the pedal. And on my 647 pedals, I can dab almost as effortlessly as platforms(using the multi-release cleat)

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    Changed my avatar so everybody knows I mean business
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    OP- You could also try some platform/ clipless combo pedals.
    i have more than you.
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    Confidence and the perception of safety make you go faster. Most people don't understand why i ride with these water wings, but i guess you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    OP- You could also try some platform/ clipless combo pedals.
    I don't think so: they are not really good as either platform or clipless.

    My solution:
    clipless on the tough singlespeed hardtails, flats on the stupidly heavy geared FS bike.

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    clipless is the shiznit.

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    I ride both I like my 50/50s for fun short rides and DH but when on longer rides I put on my m647s. I think both have their uses.

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    so you cant ride clipless pedals and therefore think they suck? that really doesnt make sense.

    sounds like you just bailed on it too soon. you lacked the confidence to get the advantage of clipless pedals.. not really the pedals fault.

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    I ride all the stuff clipless that my riding buds ride on flats.Clipless don't suit everyone,neither do flats.I personally feel naked if not clipped in especially on the really rocky technical downs.
    Horses for courses i suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    The freedom to bail, or put your foot down at ANY TIME can set you free!
    Um, It's EASY to bail, or put your foot down at ANY TIME, with clipless.

    Enjoy your platforms.

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    Maybe you didn't enjoy your clipless because you were on eggbeaters. SPD's allow some tension adjustability which is good for people new to clipless.

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    I tried and liked clipless (SPD), but found that it gave me knee pain. I typically do triathlon stuff because I also enjoy running and swimming, but more than that, it spreads out the damage to other parts of my body.

    Ultimately I decided that grippy narrow platforms (Tioga Spyder) with a grippy stiff-sole shoe (trying 5.10s soon) might be best for me in everyday training. But then, I'm different.

    For races, I use clipless.
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    That's funny, I could have posted this exact same thread about switching TO clipless pedals. I know that feeling of being uncorked now that I'm not worried about being bounced off the bike if I make a mistake.

    Enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keiichi189
    That's funny, I could have posted this exact same thread about switching TO clipless pedals. I know that feeling of being uncorked now that I'm not worried about being bounced off the bike if I make a mistake.

    Enjoy the ride!
    Funny, I like the feeling of knowing I WILL be bounced off if I make a mistake, instead of being welded to the bike.

    If you think you can get off your bike just as fast with clipless as you can with platforms, why would ANYONE ride platforms? It would be all cons and no pros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfrican
    Funny, I like the feeling of knowing I WILL be bounced off if I make a mistake, instead of being welded to the bike.

    If you think you can get off your bike just as fast with clipless as you can with platforms, why would ANYONE ride platforms? It would be all cons and no pros.
    Clearly youve never tried spd's. With a low tension and multi-release cleat, it doesnt even feel like youre clipped in. I started in 03 with flats and switched to clipless just last year and have never looked back.
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    On a suggestion from another thread, I switch back and forth. I must admit that I can jump with a LOT more confidence on platforms (the old BMXer in me tells me so), but when I ride clipless, I get a lot less winded on uphills, and I find I have been able to use my feet to maneuver around/over obstacles with ease. I feel more connected clipless, but when I want to go aggro, I change up to platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    I heard that guy gee atherton, no wait, maybe steve pea....nono, it was greg minnar, I heard that guy rode clipless alot, I guess he rides pretty aggressively.

    At any rate, glad that you're enjoying flats, I go back and forth, but its definitely possible to ride aggressively with clipless
    Now how do you explain Sam Hill?

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    The AM forum on mtbr has the worst case of "its not me its my bike" of any forum I've ever seen. Fast people will go fast on clipless or flats. Slow people will go slow on clipless or flats.

    There are advantages to both. Its much easier to "flow" with flats, because you're forced to. I find I'm charging into rock gardens much faster, with clipless, and plowing through them much more. With flats, I flow through them. My speeds are probably roughly even - I start faster but end slower with clipless, and I maintain speed alot more with flats.

    My bike control is way better with flats. Not because I'm worried about falls, but because I can't have bad habits. Bad habits mean you get bucked off and can't control the bike. With clipless, bad habits are really easily gained and established. I can accelerate way harder with clipless though. I'd say average times down the hill are pretty similar. Up the hills, couldn't care less either way, unless my gearing is too steep and I'm forced to yank up on the pedal. If I can spin at a proper cadence though, don't really care whether its clips or flats.

    Everybody has their own preferences. If you find you like flats alot more, awesome! If you're more of a clipless person, thats cool too! Doesn't hurt to play around and try some of each.

    The people who feel uncomfortable on either are the people who never learned to use them correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll_Jockey
    Now how do you explain Sam Hill?
    3 out of the top 10 guys (that I know of) are on flats, and 7 of them are on clipless.

    Rennie, Kovarik, and Hill are the main "flat" users that I know of, although blenki might use them too? At any rate, like I said in the post before, fast people will go fast, slow people slow. Its a matter of preference, but there isn't one end all pedal choice.

    I'm on clipless right now, but I have a set of flats. I just lost one of my 5.10's (sitting on the back of my car and I drove off ) so I'll be on clipless for awhile. For techy stuff, I'm still definitely better with flats, but hopefully I can get there with clipless and feel just as comfortable on everything with either set!

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    Dude the avatar is as childish as you can get, jesus christ if you don't like/use clipless pedals you don't need to make a freaking parade out of it.
    Either way you have the freedom of bailing when you need to or put your foot down any time you need, because YOU decide when to let go, not the clips.

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    I thought the avatar was kinda funny. It's his opinion, and I took it as kind of a joke, anyway. I mean, if somebody were wholeheartedly serious about crusading against clipless pedals, well, their issues may run deeper than how they pedal their bike.

    But I just figured it was a tongue-in-cheek type of thing.

    MY avatar, on the other hand, is about as childish as it gets lol...

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