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    new TLD 'A1 all mountain' helmet

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    looking forward to seeing what tld has come up with.


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    oh sign me up

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    where did you find this??
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    Funny kinda -- I was holding out, waiting to purchase two half-shell Helmets then sending one to Troy Lee for paint.

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    A total hedge and wild speculation

    If I bet that it will totally suck and it sucks, I win the bet.
    If I bet that it will totally suck and it's great, enduro/AM riders who like a DH full-face but cook in the heat win.

    But seriously, a TLD employee on Pinkbike yesterday/day before dropped a comment like "not a rehash of a DH lid" which doesn't leave me hopeful.

    Could be they found a way to get a MET Parachute style chinbar through the CPSC safety standard for sale in the US, or could be this is just an extended rear coverage open face helmet like Fox and Poc have been selling for years, and so just new paint on an old product. Lame possibilities.

    Need something like a D2 with excellent heat management. Some kind of next-generation design, not just slightly wider vents.

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    ^my bet is it is fairly similar to the giro feature.

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    Looks pretty ventilated!

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    My 1999 Specialized King Cobra is well ventilated. That design goal was surpassed a while back...
    The challenge to the cycling industry (who are fine folks and I'm happy you make a living, so nothing personal) is to give riders something that will let them keep their teeth in the event of a crash on Butcher Ranch, 3rd Divide, Mr. Toad's, or whatever your favorite local non-DH ride may be. Concussion science is finally getting out of its infancy and the preliminary data are worrisome. Oral surgery is expensive.

    This is not to get down on people who want to rock a Giro Feature with better paint.

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    I would really love some more highly ventilated full face options (currently using a Spesh Deviant II), but I agree that this doesn't look like it. Would be great to be proven wrong however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stiksandstones View Post
    Looks pretty ventilated!
    any chance you could give an estimation on when we might see some real pics and specs?
    availability?

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    I have heard some good stuff about thislid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shugarbear View Post
    I have heard some good stuff about thislid.
    I can't find any information on it at all, is it full-face or open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    I can't find any information on it at all, is it full-face or open?
    That's the question. Either way, I'm curious. I'm thinking about buying a Bell Super this spring, but if it turns out to be an enduro-racing full face, my POC Cortex Flow might see less use.
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    i'm guessing we'll have the deets later today.

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    Hmmmmmm..... I don't know... Maybe it's the angle but the helmet looks a little "egg-heady"?...

    For a TLD, a little underwhelmed. Hopefully a full pic of the lid can prove otherwise.

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    I'm still curious to see all the features and specs, but I'm guessing I end up buying a Bell Super.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator Z View Post
    Hmmmmmm..... I don't know... Maybe it's the angle but the helmet looks a little "egg-heady"?...

    For a TLD, a little underwhelmed. Hopefully a full pic of the lid can prove otherwise.
    yea from this pic it looks pretty bulky, but i'll hold judgement until there is more and better pics and i can actually try one on. TLD full face (D3) is pretty much the only full face that fits me perfectly so i'm hoping this will 'fit' the bill for a trail lid.

    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I'm still curious to see all the features and specs, but I'm guessing I end up buying a Bell Super.
    the super is on my list as well - bell helmets have usually fit me better than most but the current models don't fit me as well as the past. hopefully either the super or this work out.

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    On the one hand, yeah it's a bit football head (or appears to be).

    On the other hand, thick is good, thick means more material and more potential for compression, which means less likelihood of concussion when you really tank it into the floor. We'll see, TLD anyting is interesting whether I can afford it or not.

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    it just seems to be a slightly shaped vented dj lid with a visor.

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    Pretty cool, where are these photos coming from?

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    They come with snaps for my Jofa?

    I have a Bluetooth kit I developed that drops my post when I snap my Jofa. This is going to be a big deal at interbike 2014. Can't wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    .. .the challenge to the cycling industry (who are fine folks and I'm happy you make a living, so nothing personal) is to give riders something that will let them keep their teeth in the event of a crash on Butcher Ranch, 3rd Divide, Mr. Toad's, or whatever your favorite local non-DH ride may be......
    Well said.

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    that green/ black one looks weird but the one semenuk is wearing is sweet. looks a little like a more vented giro g10mx imo.

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    I like it. The bigger and more goofy the pros' helmets get, the more welcoming the market will be to quality protection.

    The design space is constrained in many ways (has to be under X dollars to produce, has to use Y tooling/manufacturing stream, has to be under Z grams, has to meet A and B and C safety certifications. But a lot of potential goes down the drain with the "nobody will wear that because it's not cool." Props to TLD. Today's ugly --I mean totally sweet looking!!1!-- helmet on the heads of world-class riders will help prevent tomorrows (top, side, and back of the) head injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    ...prevent tomorrows (top, side, and back of the) head injuries.
    Personally, if I feel I need more protection than a current XC lid can provide, I'm going to go with a full face helmet. What's the point in having more protection in those areas if you have zero protection in the front?

    I realize that this helmet covers the areas that are most likely to result in fatal injury, but most people value their faces too.

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    I realize that this helmet covers the areas that are most likely to result in fatal injury, but most people value their faces too.

    I agree I've come across so many people who have face planted that I don't understand why some sort of faceguard (i.e. Met's Parachute) isn't standard on most bicycle helmets. At very least if you're going to buy a $100 XC lid it should have some sort of faceguard.

    A faceguard would definitely create a VISIBLE AND OBVIOUS advantage for anyone who markets or sells high priced helmets. Who in their right mind isn't willing to pay an EXTRA 50-60 or even $100 for this extra protection?!

    The biggest problem Fox and TLD have is that I can go anywhere an open faced helmet for $20-$40. If fit isn't an issue to me the advantages to going with "nice" helmet are questionable UNLESS there are OBVIOUS SAFETY ADVANTAGES.

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    Liability - plain and simple.

    While I do agree ( I have Casco Vipers in my lid collection ) with the burly xc helmet with a chin-bar giving some added protection for the light stuff. Problem is that some dufus will use it for hucking off his parents garage and stuff it into the garden wall breaking himself.

    If people would use it for purpose, then no problems. Problem is we know that somebody will use it when they should grab the full on full face then the next call is teh lawyer....

    If I remember correctly the original giro switchblade was pulled for this reason.

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    You Should Get a Lazer oasiz!! Good helmet!!

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    You can add more coverage, but I want to know when someone is going to actually improve the method of protection. POC has the MIPS system and that's about it. Otherwise, virtually all helmets out there (including DH helmets) consist of a polystyrene foam liner with some sort of plastic or carbon fiber exterior shell. Take a significant hit and you'll still get one heck of a concussion. More coverage doesn't change this. But there is research and new materials being tried for different density foams to absorb different types of hits. That's what I really want to see in helmets. Sooner than later, hopefully.

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    Well, at least I found the source of the leaks. It's irritating to have these images floating around...when you want to launch it a certain way, and presented in all its glory. Ah well, you will see the real deal on wednesday, all over the interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    I like it. The bigger and more goofy the pros' helmets get, the more welcoming the market will be to quality protection.

    The design space is constrained in many ways (has to be under X dollars to produce, has to use Y tooling/manufacturing stream, has to be under Z grams, has to meet A and B and C safety certifications. But a lot of potential goes down the drain with the "nobody will wear that because it's not cool." Props to TLD. Today's ugly --I mean totally sweet looking!!1!-- helmet on the heads of world-class riders will help prevent tomorrows (top, side, and back of the) head injuries.
    there you go again w/ all that logical science-y talk!

    i think you are correct, its an optimization function between all those constraints, and then the intangible "cool factor".

    also, the additional material helps. a few weeks ago, i crashed my specialized dissident helmet, and walked away w/ a very minor concussion. the interior foam portion of the helmet was cracked in half and displaced; the outer carbon fiber shell was scraped. that tells me it did its job (i.e. dissipating impact energy), but i shudder to think about how a standard XC lid would have performed (at this location, a bmx track, full face helmets are mandatory, but i wear the same lid everywhere i ride)
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    Where's the faceguard?!?!? I just ordered a Rampage Carbon Pro. Who needs another open face helmet?

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    More info about the TLD A1 right here:

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    imo it looks so much better in matte solid color. and the price is too steep for me, think ill go with a feature.

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    Have to admit, I wasnít really digging this helmet when I saw the first few images sneak out online. But after seeing some full shots and the new footage on Vital and Pinkbike, the helmet doesnít look that bad! The helmet looks like it has good coverage and some nice ("classic TLD bling") features. I agree, those matte finishes look sick.

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    hideous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stiksandstones View Post
    Well, at least I found the source of the leaks. It's irritating to have these images floating around...when you want to launch it a certain way, and presented in all its glory. Ah well, you will see the real deal on wednesday, all over the interwebs.
    Leaks will happen if you let people preview it and don't take their recording devices from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    imo it looks so much better in matte solid color. and the price is too steep for me, think ill go with a feature.
    +1

    I find all TLD stuff always too busy, this isn't any different. Although the Red Bull one is pretty sweet. If only Red Bull released these for public sale, I would pay a bit extra for one. Always loved them!

    But yeah, another season on my beloved Giro Xar in highlighter green with random Chromag stickers.
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    I like the look of the helmet itself, but I think the 2 colors shown are pretty hideous, especially the gold. I would be down for that helmet in matte black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owensjs View Post
    I like the look of the helmet itself, but I think the 2 colors shown are pretty hideous, especially the gold. I would be down for that helmet in matte black.
    those are the first two colors/designs to be launched. apparently they are going to release a new color/design every month or something.

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    I just picked up a black/grey one, dont like the yellow. the medium/large fits me perfectly. I like the idea of a matte black one (like my black d2), next time.
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    A matt black would be awesome..

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    any word on TLD making different colors in the near future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mefistofeles View Post
    Who needs another open face helmet?
    People who don't land on their faces every ride?
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    check out this new technology in a MX helmet. 6D Helmets
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    Definitely will be picking up an A1 as soon as I can try one on.

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    I think I'm still planning on buying a Bell Super. In matte black...

    I have every confidence in the quality of TLD helmets, just as I do with Bell. For me, it'll come down to appearance. Assuming the Bell fits me, at least. I've been pretty lucky with fit. The only helmet I've tried that hasn't fit me was a Giro Remedy.
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    new TLD 'A1 all mountain' helmet-a1.jpg
    Quote Originally Posted by martinzone View Post
    A matt black would be awesome..
    I'm all for loud colors and metal flake, but I wanted a yellow one and the shop only had silver. Been a few years since I painted helmets so I kept it simple:

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