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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
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    like this guy. He just saw that large lizard escape

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    can't wait to see how color A matches color F
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    oh it'll match.......the Lizard is a Chameleon, look good in any environment. Gonna be building it any day now...

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    No, this lizard is a Chameleon

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    tantrumcycles.com web site is jacked. my browsers cannot render any pages. dns returns 23.236.62.147. show is today, hope the web site is sorted. it's not the end of the world but it is important to have that site up at showtime.
    therapycomponents.com exists

    if anything have tantrumcycles.com redirect to that site or to
    brianberthold.com and on those sites have one simple page with information on the tantrum
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    tantrumcycles.com web site is jacked. my browsers cannot render any pages. dns returns 23.236.62.147. show is today, hope the web site is sorted. it's not the end of the world but it is important to have that site up at showtime.
    therapycomponents.com exists

    if anything have tantrumcycles.com redirect to that site or to
    brianberthold.com and on those sites have one simple page with information on the tantrum
    yesterday afternoon, I switched the "point to" IP address to the new website on Wix. They sias it could take 24-4 hrs for it to propagate. But should only be a couple hours. 18 hrs later, I'm sweating a little bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    No, this lizard is a Chameleon
    the rockers are the wrong color

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    yesterday afternoon, I switched the "point to" IP address to the new website on Wix. They sias it could take 24-4 hrs for it to propagate. But should only be a couple hours. 18 hrs later, I'm sweating a little bit
    until all the zones are updated
    post the ip address of the new site here or new URL info
    so at least anyone digging around might stumble here and find it
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    until all the zones are updated
    post the ip address of the new site here or new URL info
    so at least anyone digging around might stumble here and find it
    I just punched in the IP address and got "google cloud". The URL is the same, www.tantrumcycles.com

    I think I will ignore this problem and get some work done to avoid the slightly sick feeling in my stomach while waiting to see if the Internet gods will smile upon me or show me the fickle finger of the fate of the woefully underprepared.

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    ok, so I couldn't ignore it. The Wix site shows it has the site address and is connected to my domain. What's my DNS shows all propogation has taken place. Sooo, what's the problem??

    Oh, that's only for the A record. I didn't change the CNAME record to point at the wix site. Damnit. I thought I paid somebody to do this. So now I changed it and it's propogating

    good thing I didn't ignore it

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    I will say no more until I get outside the box I am in and check another network dns server. I can only say some big corporate entities have not updated yet....(153,000 employees here, kinda big) maybe I am the only one in a blind spot...don't panic based on what I say,
    I don't now how often our dns does zone updates (but it should be every 180 mins)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    I will say no more until I get outside the box I am in and check another network dns server. I can only say some big corporate entities have not updated yet....(153,000 employees here, kinda big) maybe I am the only one in a blind spot...don't panic based on what I say,
    I don't now how often our dns does zone updates (but it should be every 180 mins)
    It hasn't updated on Cox, I'm at home heading in to work now. I can get a webcache version though.

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    New innovative suspension from Tantrum Cycles. Any thoughts...

    Works for me on my phone (AT&T)

    Made sure the “contact” page came up since that is the most important one.

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    Working for me now at work, wasn't working an hour or so ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Working for me now at work, wasn't working an hour or so ago.
    I think it's propogting it's way around. Works on my phone, not on my pc. weird, same wifi.

    Anyway, please keep in mind that this is a work in progress. i still need to proofread and fact check, etc. Also, I noticed my phone version looks goofy, which we knew because we didn't do the mobile site yet.

    But I luckily decided to try to get it live yesterday, figuring we can always tune up the site, but if it's not up.....We'll be working on it throughout the day

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    It's working for me... New site is definitely an improvement visually although it formatted a little wide on chrome and slightly off on iphone. I just sent a test through contact page.

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    I like the link for the patent. That is a nice touch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    the rockers are the wrong color
    But with that style back end, the rear wheel faithfully tracks the lumpy bits of the trail, amplifies them and transmits the resultant peaks up through the seat post to your spine.
    A spike amplifier, if you will.
    No inefficiency here.

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    has anybody accessed this on a pc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    has anybody accessed this on a pc?
    Looked at it an hour ago on Chrome in Windows 7. Clicked through most of it and everything seems to be working.


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    Worked on my tablet and Mac laptop.
    The laptop hasn't been to the page before so caching isn't an issue.

    If you can't load it, it may help to clear the browser cache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    has anybody accessed this on a pc?
    Yep. Chrome mentioned was on PC/Windows

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    On my iPhone it shows

    TANTRUM
    CYCLE
    S

    Perfect or not, good job getting this together. I think it'll be really important

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    Got it loading now.

    nice background !

    whew

    crisis averted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    Yep. Chrome mentioned was on PC/Windows
    weird because it works on explorer, but not chrome on my pc

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    on your pc

    try this

    open cmd prompt as administrator

    ipconfig /flushdns

    then try it
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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Worked on my tablet and Mac laptop.
    The laptop hasn't been to the page before so caching isn't an issue.

    If you can't load it, it may help to clear the browser cache.
    clearing the chrome cache worked for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    on your pc

    try this

    open cmd prompt as administrator

    ipconfig /flushdns

    then try it
    seemed to have no effect. Damn, give me mechanical parts to work with. that I can see and hit with a hammer or a milling machine if it doesn't work

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    cleared my browser cache. whew. I have work to do. Thanks for helping everybody

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    Works for me on windows 10, chrome, and spectrum internet. I clicked through all the tabs and everything was great. Geometry chart still says 435mm reach for meltdown when I think you said its actually 440mm now. Anyway will be watching the show tonight, channel 355 on DirecTv.

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    I wonder if we'll even see Brian tomorrow :-D

    I'm curious how the average TV watcher will take this, being familiar mostly with Trek, Specialized, Schwinn and Shimano, and knowing nothing of the huge cottage industry of bikes.

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    Works for me now on ipad
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    comcast has it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    I wonder if we'll even see Brian tomorrow :-D

    I'm curious how the average TV watcher will take this, being familiar mostly with Trek, Specialized, Schwinn and Shimano, and knowing nothing of the huge cottage industry of bikes.
    WARNINGWARNINGWARNING

    this is a no hucking show. although I was not able to watch them test ride the bikes.
    But when I was riding, they had "safety Bob" on hand to make sure I didn't get out of hand. Good thing since I was riding clipless with running shoes.

    So don't expect any "mountain dew" rad videos. Probably some pretty tame climbing and descending. I think I conspired with the camera man to do a skid here or there. Simulated speed, ya know

    That's not giving anything away

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    Just told my wife about this Tony the test rider guy and suddenly she is very interested in watching it now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    Just told my wife about this Tony the test rider guy and suddenly she is very interested in watching it now...
    you will look incredibly awesome as a bike rider in comparison

    doesn't matter where they get the appetite

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    Congratulations on the show Brian. I think it went well. Would love to hear more details about it when the time is right.

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    So will the tantrum road/gravel bike come with a lauf grit or a fox ax ... kinda kidding. Now that the show has aired, I'm wondering how serious Shawn was with the stipulation for developing a "road/track" frame with missing link. Anywho, congrats on the investment Brian!


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    Good job on the show. Did the deal work out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by visus View Post
    So will the tantrum road/gravel bike come with a lauf grit or a fox ax ... kinda kidding. Now that the show has aired, I'm wondering how serious Shawn was with the stipulation for developing a "road/track" frame with missing link. Anywho, congrats on the investment Brian!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesostris View Post
    Congratulations on the show Brian. I think it went well. Would love to hear more details about it when the time is right.
    It went well. They were very kind in the editing room. If it was me, I woulda used some tougher moments. Shawn's interest was unexpected. Jeremy and Dhani actually ride a lot of mtb, so i figured they would be prime targets. But Shawn mentioned companies spending millions for any time advantage and I knew she got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visus View Post
    So will the tantrum road/gravel bike come with a lauf grit or a fox ax ... kinda kidding. Now that the show has aired, I'm wondering how serious Shawn was with the stipulation for developing a "road/track" frame with missing link. Anywho, congrats on the investment Brian!


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    Thanks visus. I'm happy with keeping the investment in the road project separate. In many ways, it's better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Good job on the show. Did the deal work out?
    thank you. It was great. "worked out?" I need a little more time to answer that. Like a proto road bike.

    You heard me turn her down initially. Because I told her I had to take care of my kickstarter and next batch. She said she would wait. That's why I took it. Plus, she's a rock star

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    I really liked her last album

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    Nice!

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    I hope it will eventually be possible to watch the whole show online.
    CNBC.com gives me nothing but "Geographic Restriction This content is not available in your location"...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Westholm View Post
    I hope it will eventually be possible to watch the whole show online.
    CNBC.com gives me nothing but "Geographic Restriction This content is not available in your location"...





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    I might have watched online, on time, from somewhere...
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    I'm suffering cord cutter syndrome on this show. I can't find a place to stream it without a cable provider login. Oh well, onward and upward. I spend less time and money on TV and more time and money on my bikes.

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    Brian, question about parts: I'm assuming all the bearings are easily found/common bearings like all other bikes, but what about those bushings that you had to make? Will there be an avenue to obtain those? I keep bikes a loooong time and expect to have to replace those at some point. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    thank you. It was great. "worked out?" I need a little more time to answer that. Like a proto road bike.
    I just mean to ask if it turned into a bonafide business deal/partnership. I know sometimes on those shows, something is agreed to but doesn't actually work out after due diligence. It sounds like it did. Congrats!
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    Even though I've seen all the pictures, I was impressed by how OEM and professional the bikes looked in person. I know they are production pieces, but in the back of my head they still seem like prototypes. But they looked really really good on screen.

    The 4 investors could not have been more clueless and clearly didn't have the skills to appreciate the uniqueness of the design. Shawn wanting to invest so that the road bike version could get produced left me flabbergasted, hopefully you will talk her into continuing to support the mountain bike side of things. I have my doubts roadies would ever have interest in a shape shifting bike and you know the UCI would never allow it -the mountain bike side of things is a huge enough market. They did kind of have your number though about "if its so good, why aren't other bike companies beating down your door ?". You obviously don't have the time to explain to them the whole gestalt of the mountain bike industry, and it is a fair point.

    Butyou came across very well I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    you need to learn how to internets

    I might have watched online, on time, from somewhere...

    Are you saying we untied off-grid outcasts also can watch it? For free??

    Wold be funny to watch it while waiting for the first wet snow to freeze to the ground so we get decent friction again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    and you know the UCI would never allow it...
    On the contrary, suspension road bikes do show up from time to time, usually marketed with a photo of the bike going over the infamous cobbles. Years ago Cannondale had Head Shok road forks in some bikes. Lately there's Zertz and Isospeed. There are suspension seat posts and the current Specialized Roubaix has a suspended handlebar. Fairly often you'll see small production runs with a shock between the chain stays and the triangle. I guess they haven't been concerned as much with suspension dynamics as MTB because the travel just isn't much. I bet you, though, the proliferation of disk brakes on road bikes, and more aggressive gravel bikes, will make more suspension with control of squat and jack to be a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB View Post
    Brian, question about parts: I'm assuming all the bearings are easily found/common bearings like all other bikes, but what about those bushings that you had to make? Will there be an avenue to obtain those? I keep bikes a loooong time and expect to have to replace those at some point. Thanks.
    Only in Formula one can you get away with designing your own bearings. These are as easy to find as any.

    The bushings are not really a standard size. but they are dead simple. and there is very little movement there. The sample frames had zero wear.

    BUT, part of my mission next week in Taiwan is to come back with a gross of them. Maybe I'll send everyone a spare set. Can't be more than a buck or 2 a piece.

    Dammit, I'm sorry, that's no way to be. We will mark them up 400% and make them available on line........but I'll still send some to KS backers

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    I just mean to ask if it turned into a bonafide business deal/partnership. I know sometimes on those shows, something is agreed to but doesn't actually work out after due diligence. It sounds like it did. Congrats!
    I know. I'm not trying to be evasive, but I think I'm still under some kind of gag order on what I can disclose.

    Part of the process, for sure, is that I refused to work on it until KS bikes were delivered. Of course that is not technically true, my head keeps working whether I like it or not.

    I initially turned her down for that reason, but then she said she would wait. it's getting about time.

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    you are correct, but I stand by my opinion that developing a missing link geo altering mechanism for road biking would be a huge boondoggle distraction for Tantrum with a low chance of breakout success.
    I just found it "road bike myopic" for Shawn to focus on some totally different design rather than develop, market, and sell what Brian has right now working ready to go. As if she didn't recognize the MB market because her only experience is with her road biking past. But, that's Brian's business not mine, he can go whatever direction he wants.

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    I agree that the pivot to road bikes was weird in context. I just meant to defend it, that it isn't totally loony.

    I don't really know if a road bike with suspension will be a faster descender. My impression is that they lose a lot of time in corners because they don't know how to, or can't, get off the seat like a racing motorcycle. Do you need suspension to lean the bike over 45 degrees and scrape a knee? Not sure. Maybe they need droppers! But it might not matter since uphill time is proportionally much larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    Even though I've seen all the pictures, I was impressed by how OEM and professional the bikes looked in person. I know they are production pieces, but in the back of my head they still seem like prototypes. But they looked really really good on screen.

    The 4 investors could not have been more clueless and clearly didn't have the skills to appreciate the uniqueness of the design. Shawn wanting to invest so that the road bike version could get produced left me flabbergasted, hopefully you will talk her into continuing to support the mountain bike side of things. I have my doubts roadies would ever have interest in a shape shifting bike and you know the UCI would never allow it -the mountain bike side of things is a huge enough market. They did kind of have your number though about "if its so good, why aren't other bike companies beating down your door ?". You obviously don't have the time to explain to them the whole gestalt of the mountain bike industry, and it is a fair point.

    Butyou came across very well I thought.
    Thanks Preston. On the appearance of the bikes.......it was crazy. I had to come up with 4 bikes between the time I returned form Taiwan at the end of March, to filming in April. At that time, I had the 2 demo bikes, the black and blue ones that you've seen (which used to be the green and orange ones). They were beat to hell with worn out parts. I also had the original made in Taiwan sample, which used an off the shelf DT instead of my proprietary tube. Otherwise, it was pretty close, but it was raw, corroded and disassembled. For the 4th bike, I used the original, polished hand made protoype, which was also corroded and disassembled. I built that up for Shawn since it was 26" and she is 4'9". I considered putting a 24" on the rear, but I thought that would look dumb, so I destroked the shock a little to lower the standover.

    I stripped and powder coated the old sample Redrum and turned it into the Shinedown mixed wheel bike. Polished up the proto and even put a 27.5 fr wheel, partly so I could use matching wheels and DVO forks on all bikes. Throw a couple thousand dollars of new parts and viola, 4 almost productiony looking bikes

    So, no, they weren't production at all. The latest 2 samples were pretty close. The production ones look better. Better details and hardware.

    They all appreciated the way it worked and I was happy they all told me individually. It's too bad they showed such a minimal part of the testing. Each rider had another fully and also a hardtail to compare. They all came back raving about mine.

    But, they're money people, not mountain bike freaks. You don't get into the bike industry unless your a bike freak. It's a stupid business otherwise. I'm just in it to support my habit....And while they all wanted me to license, they couldn't quite grasp that part of my strategy by starting (and continuing) Tantrum is to increase the value of the IP. And to force the issue. They seemed to limit their thinking to how much money they could make, how quickly, on retail sales of Tantrum Cycles. A brand new company with no market penetration. These are all things that scare away "by the numbers" investors. Kevin on Shark tank woulda said "you're dead to me", although I'da had Hersavic in my back pocket because he's a big race fan and amateur racer.

    Shawn was a surprise. She mighta been the smartest one. She was the first one to say "so it doesn't compress when I'm climbing" during the initial intro. And afterward. The fact that she connected what she saw and felt, with a potential road application, impressed me. No, it's not what I wanted when I went in. I wanted money to pay for people and production so I can get back to work designing.

    I had to think fast. She is connect with the road side of cycling. UCI connections. Her bro in law is an olympic time trialist. She's an olympic gold medalist, dancing with the stars winning rock star. So, I felt that having her as an investor was worth way more than the cash she was offering. People want to do biz with her. She's a marketing powerhouse.

    So, I started thinking a deal with her was worth more than the other 3 guys combined. And there are a lot of possibilities beyond what was mentioned in the show.

    And I believe the road market is there. Hey, they're finally starting to believe they won't all die from a thousand tiny disc brake cuts.

    As for why the industry isn't beating down my door? That could take pages. And what they can't show, is that our "negotiation phase" was over an hour. We talked about a lot more stuff. But they did show me saying the T, S and G aren't really the right customers. They have too much invested in in-house engineering and product devo. If they were EVER to license, it would only be because all the small brands have and nobody wants their bikes anymore. When DW was the guru, even he wasn't licensing to them. He got smaller guys that didn't have the resources and engineering and vested interests.

    Of course there are a million other factors, I'm sure some might even be reputation related......or haircut related....who knows? And there ARE interested companies, some of whom actually have frames.....so, you know. Things take time.

    Funny thing, all of the companies that turned me down, did so without riding the bike. No BS. When I offered to fly to their location with bikes, they said no. A couple said, just send the bike. I said no. In one instance, I was in their office with a bike. Wouldn't even ride it. Shock angle? too many bearings? too complicated? too expensive? NIH? crazy person? who knows?

    Onward and upward. I'm pretty happy with the way things have been developing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    you are correct, but I stand by my opinion that developing a missing link geo altering mechanism for road biking would be a huge boondoggle distraction for Tantrum with a low chance of breakout success.
    I just found it "road bike myopic" for Shawn to focus on some totally different design rather than develop, market, and sell what Brian has right now working ready to go. As if she didn't recognize the MB market because her only experience is with her road biking past. But, that's Brian's business not mine, he can go whatever direction he wants.
    Definitely road bike myopic. But she got it.

    And it's not about suspension. It's about geometry.

    A distraction? Sure, sort of. But I do want to point out that actually being paid money for something I don't have to singlehandedly produce. And the amount in question is a very useful sum. So, I'm getting paid to design another bike. That I want to design and I believe in. I mean, how much do you think I was "paid" for everything so far??

    I look at it as "expanding my reach". The road bike was in my plans. She just accelerated it.

    I would really like to do a motocross version as well...and then there's potential 4 wheel applications, which the patent covers....damn distractions....

    Don't worry. Mountain biking is where I'm at. Till I drop. Hopefully a long time from now. Just gotta keep all the balls up in the air

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    ^ Great job pulling those bikes together, Brian, makes a fun story.

    "Each rider had another fully"

    Rhymes with???
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    ^ Great job pulling those bikes together, Brian, makes a fun story.

    "Each rider had another fully"

    Rhymes with???
    no takers on that one, eh? uhhh, woolie??

    The show is being repeated tonite, CNBC, 10pm ET

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    ^ Great job pulling those bikes together, Brian, makes a fun story.

    "Each rider had another fully"

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    no takers on that one, eh? uhhh, woolie??

    The show is being repeated tonite, CNBC, 10pm ET
    I meant, were they also riding a "Heck Dual" or a "Crystalized Thumpstumper"? I missed the first few minutes of the show, not sure if they showed that.
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    Interesting bikes for sure! I understand waiting list is growing for bikes, but I could not find anywhere if frame only or some kind of frame set is/will be available?

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    The headline takes some liberties with math and what Brian said, but here's a follow-up article from the show.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/tant...nson-east.html

    Aren't they off by a year on the Kickstarter date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB View Post
    The headline takes some liberties with math and what Brian said, but here's a follow-up article from the show.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/tant...nson-east.html

    Aren't they off by a year on the Kickstarter date?
    ya, I'm not a fan of that headline, Is it a good thing that I had a "chance" at $50M? or am I a dumb ass? It's a dumb headline. Not like anybody actually "made" 50m, it was gross sales.

    Plus, I didn't "miss out". I went to Kona with a 1/10th scale plastic model, that in the end, didn't even resemble the final version. They footed the bill for everything and paid me pretty well. For the most part, I enjoyed it immensely and am grateful for the education.

    My reason for bringing that up in the show was to prove my track record, but they kinda turned that around. No biggie, they need to promote and say cool stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    I meant, were they also riding a "Heck Dual" or a "Crystalized Thumpstumper"? I missed the first few minutes of the show, not sure if they showed that.
    Ha, yes. They went to all the Moab bike shops and rented a full sus and a hardtail for each of the riders. And then taped over all the logos so we wouldn't get in trouble. Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cokratex View Post
    Interesting bikes for sure! I understand waiting list is growing for bikes, but I could not find anywhere if frame only or some kind of frame set is/will be available?

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    I will offer builds, but it makes no sense to spec things now, because, as I have learned on this run, by the time I have frames, different parts will be available and some won't.

    My plan on the waiting list is that it gives you a place in line for a frame. Whether that frame turns into a complete bike is not as important, yet. But I guess it's kinda hard to put a deposit down when you want a complete and don't know what it would be....

    This will evolve once I return form Taiwan and have some production issues straightened out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I will offer builds, but it makes no sense to spec things now, because, as I have learned on this run, by the time I have frames, different parts will be available and some won't.

    My plan on the waiting list is that it gives you a place in line for a frame. Whether that frame turns into a complete bike is not as important, yet. But I guess it's kinda hard to put a deposit down when you want a complete and don't know what it would be....

    This will evolve once I return form Taiwan and have some production issues straightened out.
    I was about to ask this question as well. On the site it shows estimated 2400 for frame is that suspension as well or just frame?


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    I'd also like to know what's included. I figured it was frame and shock. I'm sure someone who's not familiar with modern MTB's would be horrified to learn $2400 is for just the frame & shock, but when you compare it to a $3000 Ibis it's no big deal. I want one but I think it's not in the budget for me this year, maybe next year... hope there's still one to buy next year.

    The Kickstarter listed the $1400-1500 frames as $1100-1200 off implyng $2600 was the target... $2400 is less than that. And those people got a screaming deal, looks like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rad3144 View Post
    I was about to ask this question as well. On the site it shows estimated 2400 for frame is that suspension as well or just frame?


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    2400 is estimated MSRP with DVO shock if I can swing it. at that price, it might be a less expensive shock like the xfusion or other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    I'd also like to know what's included. I figured it was frame and shock. I'm sure someone who's not familiar with modern MTB's would be horrified to learn $2400 is for just the frame & shock, but when you compare it to a $3000 Ibis it's no big deal. I want one but I think it's not in the budget for me this year, maybe next year... hope there's still one to buy next year.

    The Kickstarter listed the $1400-1500 frames as $1100-1200 off implyng $2600 was the target... $2400 is less than that. And those people got a screaming deal, looks like!
    those people got a screamin deal. they deserved it. although the price was a little low end the end, but I wasn't in the first run to make money.

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    sooooooooooooooooooooooooon
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    I love the anodized red. I wish I could get the entire frame anodized that color. Seriously!!

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    Quiet here....


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    Yeah where are some more ride reports ?

    I think it still only 4-5 people who have been sent frames though. Patience is hard, especially when you're waiting for something ha ha.

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    I am backer #14 of the original run, and fedex has my frame now, and is due to arrive tomorrow, Oct 18th.

    Thinking about how much work BB has to do surrounding the whole endeavor, and all the other goings-on none of us know about, I am wicked happy to be getting my bike, but totally understand if still had to wait. He's bustin ass and busted ass to get me mine before I go to France for a month.

    ride reports from me will only come after doing a lot of serious rides on it, and have to shakedown the thing at least for 150 miles to mess with settings before rating anything.


    You want more eye candy
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    The color match with the DVO fork looks great. But if your frame doesn't arrive until tomorrow how can you have photographs of your build ? In addition to pedalling magic, does the Missing Link also bend space and time ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    The color match with the DVO fork looks great. But if your frame doesn't arrive until tomorrow how can you have photographs of your build ? In addition to pedalling magic, does the Missing Link also bend space and time ?
    BB partially built it so he could run cables and make final basic adjustments
    those aren't my wheels. BB took the pic and put it in instagram, where I stole the pic from

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Westholm View Post
    I hope it will eventually be possible to watch the whole show online.
    CNBC.com gives me nothing but "Geographic Restriction This content is not available in your location"...





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    here is the entire episode

    https://youtu.be/cZt5OFwnsdI?t=1m42s

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    Quote Originally Posted by rad3144 View Post
    Quiet here....


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    ya, too quiet. There are a bunch of bikes out there, some still getting built up. And most of the early backers do not frequent these forums. Like the initial 3-4 canadians trying to get rides in before winter..

    And a few guys taking long riding trips. I hate to bug them and ask them to post, so i will be patient and keep working.

    I'm in Taiwan now, working on the next batch

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    I am backer #14 of the original run, and fedex has my frame now, and is due to arrive tomorrow, Oct 18th.

    Thinking about how much work BB has to do surrounding the whole endeavor, and all the other goings-on none of us know about, I am wicked happy to be getting my bike, but totally understand if still had to wait. He's bustin ass and busted ass to get me mine before I go to France for a month.

    ride reports from me will only come after doing a lot of serious rides on it, and have to shakedown the thing at least for 150 miles to mess with settings before rating anything.


    You want more eye candy
    here is my partial build.
    thanks for the vote of understanding. It's been a massive ongoing effort. And thanks for being willing to finish your build so that I could ship your bike before leaving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    The color match with the DVO fork looks great. But if your frame doesn't arrive until tomorrow how can you have photographs of your build ? In addition to pedalling magic, does the Missing Link also bend space and time ?
    I use string theory

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    >I'm in Taiwan now, working on the next batch

    And dropouts for the Shining !

    Maybe I'm being too giddy, but watching that show I felt like I could see the bike working. I know the amateur cyclist was exaggerating the effect of climbing the stumpjumper (?) up the steep rock face and being pitched around and oscillating the suspension, but it was dramatic watching the Tantrum stiffen up on that section and appear to be quite planted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I'm in Taiwan now, working on the next batch
    Joy & I are still interested in getting one next June and the guys at the shop seemed open to putting 2 in the rental fleet.
    Keep the Country country.

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    My bike and all parts arrived, looks good, just waiting on wheelset and I'll
    be building it.

    It's riddled with DVO stuff.

    FYI about DVO, I did some checking and if you are new to DVO
    here is the lowdown: Direct from Ronnie at DVO

    what 2.5 damper oil, 7.5 wt oil, and grease for Diamond ?
    what 2.5 Wt. Suspension Oil and grease for Topaz ?
    what 2.5 Wt. Suspension Oil and grease for Garnet ?

    DVO says:

    The only oil that should not be used is Maxima or Rockshox oil.The grease we use from the factory is Slickoleum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    here is the entire episode

    https://youtu.be/cZt5OFwnsdI?t=1m42s
    So...did I miss where you educated Shawn that using suspension in the TDF or in track (?!!) competitions -- even the missing link suspension -- would be rejected out of hand by pro road cyclists? Like they'll be willing to drag a couple of extra pounds up the hill for hours so they can "potentially" descend faster by a few seconds over a few minutes -- not gonna happen. Your line at ~11:6 of "those guys, having my bike are gonna win" referring to TDF racers sure egged her on! I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn I'd like to talk to her about. Did the fact that there are pro mtb racers and they might be the ones to actually benefit from the technology never come up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptor View Post
    So...did I miss where you educated Shawn that using suspension in the TDF or in track (?!!) competitions -- even the missing link suspension -- would be rejected out of hand by pro road cyclists? Like they'll be willing to drag a couple of extra pounds up the hill for hours so they can "potentially" descend faster by a few seconds over a few minutes -- not gonna happen. Your line at ~11:6 of "those guys, having my bike are gonna win" referring to TDF racers sure egged her on! I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn I'd like to talk to her about. Did the fact that there are pro mtb racers and they might be the ones to actually benefit from the technology never come up?
    I don't think he's selling her on suspension for road/track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    I don't think he's selling her on suspension for road/track.
    Did we watch the same video? She insisted her $100K be used to develop prototypes for road and track (12:05 in the video).
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    Close the deal first, then work out the details!

    Somewhere Brian mentioned ideas for geometry for road bikes, not sure what he has in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptor View Post
    Did we watch the same video? She insisted her $100K be used to develop prototypes for road and track (12:05 in the video).
    We did. You're assuming she bought into suspension for road and track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptor View Post
    So...did I miss where you educated Shawn that using suspension in the TDF or in track (?!!) competitions -- even the missing link suspension -- would be rejected out of hand by pro road cyclists? Like they'll be willing to drag a couple of extra pounds up the hill for hours so they can "potentially" descend faster by a few seconds over a few minutes -- not gonna happen. Your line at ~11:6 of "those guys, having my bike are gonna win" referring to TDF racers sure egged her on! I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn I'd like to talk to her about. Did the fact that there are pro mtb racers and they might be the ones to actually benefit from the technology never come up?
    You are making too many assumptions. Firstly, Shawn has extensive cycling experience and connections. No, not mountain bike and naturally that affects the direction she chose for investment. Do you really think she is going to plonk down 100k for something she has no understanding off? She’s pretty sharp.

    The XC topic did come up and will come up again. All things being equal, there is a quantifiable (by the clock) climbing advantage in my technology and we know XC races are won on the climbs. So are road races

    Weight penalty?? They are adding ballast to make mimimum weight. Why not functional ballast??

    Do you think the Peleton will accept or reject it if there is a clear climbing advantage?

    More will be revealed soon that will help clear this up. For the moment, I have to play my cards close to my chest. Until I get some more mtb’s delivered to my patient (and impatient) Kickstarter backers

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    It wasn't to long ago manufactures were building some flex into the chain stays/seat stays of road bikes to reduce fatigue on the riders in the TdF. Over the course of 21 stages for the TdF having suspension that will reduce fatigue but will not suck any power out of your pedal stroke is potentially a huge advantage. Other pro races like the Paris Roubaix could find even bigger performance gains. I do wonder how much sloppiness there would be in a suspension design with so many pivots though. Especially with the power a pro tour cyclist puts out. There's no way it could be as stiff as a carbon frame with 0 pivots around the chain stays. I'm not sure how much that would really matter either.

    A top end road bike built around climbing can weigh as little as 11lbs ready to ride. Pros add ballast in the seat tube to reach the minimum weight. A few extra pounds means nothing for a bike build around aerodynamic performance. It just needs to be aero.

    Appealing to the average road cyclist could be tough. They (we) are a stubborn bunch. A lot are still avoiding disc brakes like the plague since they cost about 1 or 2 watts of power due to the aero drag. The frame also needs to be carbon or Ti

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    You are making too many assumptions
    So I did miss something -- I'll chalk at least part of it up to bad editing on the part of the production crew. Watching that cut over and over doesn't enlighten me as to what she thought she was investing in other than the existing technology applied to road and track bikes. I'll patiently wait for the "reveal".

    (Edit: To be clear, I think Brian came off very well in the video. I'd buy a bike from that man, and expect that some day I will. Something was just lost in translation from reality to the small screen, and (IMO) Shawn came off appearing naive.)
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    Ptor, you didn't miss anything that was aired on the show. Brian has eluded to the fact that more was said that what was aired.

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    haven't built my bike yet

    but I can tell already BB attention to detail in every way shape and form on this puppy is stellar... I see more now why he can't crank out 40 bikes overnight.... nothing leaves his ship unless it is dialed to the nines.
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