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    New GT AM bikes.

    Looks like GT is going back to being a LBS only bike company and is releasing some pretty cool new bikes.

    GT showed off their new models for 2008 in Engelberg, Switzerland.
    Hans Rey showed their new Sanction and Force Models, both with 6 inch of travel. Both bikes share the same frame. The Sanction weighs around 16 kilos , whereas the Force is lighter and only weighs 14.5 kilos
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    dang

    Those look great! Is that a new or modified I-drive, or something entirely different?
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    No good .

    Gt was never original. That's looks like a Trek AM bike. (I hate Trek too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by danyiluska
    Gt was never original. That's looks like a Trek AM bike. (I hate Trek too)
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    I don't understand the concept of putting that much stress right in the middle of the downtube where you could otherwise save weight.

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    Those look pretty nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    Looks like GT is going back to being a LBS only bike company and is releasing some pretty cool new bikes.

    GT showed off their new models for 2008 in Engelberg, Switzerland.
    Hans Rey showed their new Sanction and Force Models, both with 6 inch of travel. Both bikes share the same frame. The Sanction weighs around 16 kilos , whereas the Force is lighter and only weighs 14.5 kilos
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    looks alot like the marin's
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    The new sloped top tube fad is in full swing lol, if it wasnt for the suspension it could look like a marin.
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    ...

    After a bit of homework, it appears it is their current I-Drive tech...with new tubes and some new angles probably...

    Anyone ever ridden and I-Drive?
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    i dont like lots of pivots and stuff but really do like GTs. even have a GT sticker on my car now to make me look really cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmbnick
    looks alot like the marin's
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    I second that. Which Marin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Those look pretty nice!
    agreed....i would definitely say they are as nice, if not nicer, than Turners but not quite up to par with Ellsworths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    agreed....i would definitely say they are as nice, if not nicer, than Turners but not quite up to par with Ellsworths
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.
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    what do you mean? I think GT makes great bikes and even though they are ok, bikes like Turners just use same technology for years and years....they even still use bushings which are way old fashioned by today's standards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    what do you mean? I think GT makes great bikes and even though they are ok, bikes like Turners just use same technology for years and years....they even still use bushings which are way old fashioned by today's standards
    I'm just wondering how you're making such a statement from just two photos...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.
    I'm just wondering how you're making such a statement from just two photos...
    fair point....but they look pretty kewl. my 1997 GT works pretty good so newer ones are probably pretty sweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.
    After a bit of homework, it appears it is their current I-Drive tech...with new tubes and some new angles probably...

    Anyone ever ridden and I-Drive?

    It looks like the standard Idrive design - with some really cool hyrdro-forming and material manipulation.

    I've had several Idrives - and they ride great. The technology works, really well.

    Yes, the hyrdro forming is reminiscent of the Marin's. It's quite possible that the bikes are made in the same plant. But this doesn't say anything about the ride quality.

    The White VPP design is nothing like the Busby - Idrive design.

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    Very nice looking bikes,
    I hope they ride as well as they look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    bikes like Turners just use same technology for years and years.
    Sheez! You're forgetting the Horst to Faux Bar move of 06.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Sheez! You're forgetting the Horst to Faux Bar move of 06.
    First of all Steve, since I'm not sure you are familiar with suspension designs, it is not a Faux bar; it is actually called TNT which is way different.

    Secondly, this is where I do give credit. While they still use lame bushings, the move from horse link to TNT makes their bikes way better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    First of all Steve, since I'm not sure you are familiar with suspension designs, it is not a Faux bar; it is actually called TNT which is way different.
    When I had my Burner and Turner changed to the TNT design I performed a little experiment. I left the HL on the drive side and put a TNT pivot on the other side so I could do a direct comparison. Under coasting conditions I could detect no difference. However under pedaling and braking the bike would always pull to the right side. This was due to the more efficient HL on the drive side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    When I had my Burner and Turner changed to the TNT design I performed a little experiment. I left the HL on the drive side and put a TNT pivot on the other side so I could do a direct comparison. Under coasting conditions I could detect no difference. However under pedaling and braking the bike would always pull to the right side. This was due to the more efficient HL on the drive side.
    thats pretty cool. lots of the lame turner owners blab about how similar or different they are, but none based on science like yours. that is a really good controlled experiment you did. i will rethink my comments about TNT probably.....actually, VPP or DW Link is probably the best of all

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    The Idrives were known to ride well (heck they were the FS bike to have for a couple of years back in the late 90s if you believed the magazines), the big issues they had were weight (which seems to have been resolved or at least helped with a redesign of the eccentric/BB area) and the fact that the company was bought out before they could develop the bikes they have out now.
    The buy out destroyed their reputation as the new owners were selling to dept stores & refusing to honor the lifetime(?) warranty that was originally offered by GT. A lot of LBSes stopped selling the brand.
    It's nice to see them rebuilding the brand into something high end.
    FWIW the second to last issue of Bike had a positive review of the latest "All Mountain" version of the Idrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surestick Malone
    The Idrives were known to ride well (heck they were the FS bike to have for a couple of years back in the late 90s if you believed the magazines), the big issues they had were weight (which seems to have been resolved or at least helped with a redesign of the eccentric/BB area) and the fact that the company was bought out before they could develop the bikes they have out now.
    The buy out destroyed their reputation as the new owners were selling to dept stores & refusing to honor the lifetime(?) warranty that was originally offered by GT. A lot of LBSes stopped selling the brand.
    It's nice to see them rebuilding the brand into something high end.
    FWIW the second to last issue of Bike had a positive review of the latest "All Mountain" version of the Idrive.

    The weight issues was a farce. My large Idrive frame weighed 6.2 #'s. I had the bike built up as light as 25 #'s.

    The only reason people thought they were heavy was GT spec'd heavy parts (Z3 forks, large WTB tires, etc) - but the frames were on par with anything, weight wise.

    The real issue was their use of an interupted seat tube. They cracked. For that matter, though, every interupted seat tube bike I've had has cracked - Idrives, kestrels, Intense's, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    .....actually, VPP or DW Link is probably the best of all
    Yeah I've seen a guy on this rocky steep trail on a 6 pack and then this guy on a Sunday just blitzed past him like he was standing F-ing still... he didn't even yield to the uphill rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    The weight issues was a farce. My large Idrive frame weighed 6.2 #'s. I had the bike built up as light as 25 #'s.

    The only reason people thought they were heavy was GT spec'd heavy parts (Z3 forks, large WTB tires, etc) - but the frames were on par with anything, weight wise.

    The real issue was their use of an interupted seat tube. They cracked. For that matter, though, every interupted seat tube bike I've had has cracked - Idrives, kestrels, Intense's, etc...
    I cannot speak to the other designs, but the orig. i-drive design was a serious engineering miscalculation. I was one of, if the first person, to post pictures of my cracked seat mast, which GT replaced. And then it cracked again, in the same exact spot, and at the same exact time interval (several months of fairly light mileage). I rejected the next two warranty frames from GT since I knew there was a design flaw.

    To GT’s credit, they finally did give in and gave me a custom front triangle with Easton tubing, which I’ve been riding, happily, ever since.

    But, unfortunately for GT, right around this same time period, the engineering design flaw surfaced on the DH i-drive with the shock mounting on the rear triangle snapping like potato chips. This problem with even more wide spread than the seat mast problems on the XC version.

    My next bike was a Turner and now building a Reign AM rig. Hopefully I get some good mileage out of it. The custom i-drive is now officially retired... had some really good times on that bike, but it's time to move on and try different sus design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slack_er
    I cannot speak to the other designs, but the orig. i-drive design was a serious engineering miscalculation. I was one of, if the first person, to post pictures of my cracked seat mast, which GT replaced. And then it cracked again, in the same exact spot, and at the same exact time interval (several months of fairly light mileage). I rejected the next two warranty frames from GT since I knew there was a design flaw.

    To GTís credit, they finally did give in and gave me a custom front triangle with Easton tubing, which Iíve been riding, happily, ever since.

    But, unfortunately for GT, right around this same time period, the engineering design flaw surfaced on the DH i-drive with the shock mounting on the rear triangle snapping like potato chips. This problem with even more wide spread than the seat mast problems on the XC version.

    My next bike was a Turner and now building a Reign AM rig. Hopefully I get some good mileage out of it. The custom i-drive is now officially retired... had some really good times on that bike, but it's time to move on and try different sus design.
    I think it would be good to discern between the "idrive design" and frame construction. I too, broke several (lost count - more than a dozen) seat masts on Idrive frames.

    Never did the eccentrically mounted bottom bracket design give me troubles that couldn't be handled with a little cleaning and grease.

    To be fair -seat mast bikes are weaker than straight seat tube bikes. This is the problem you describe - and this is what has been remedied in the latest round of Idrives.

    The idrive suspension itself has actually had few problems.

    Curious that you call your Idrive "custom" - lots of people got frames made a wee bit stronger - (identifiable by lack of decals). Did Barry Burke ever contact you to "customize" your frame geometry and tube set? Barry was in charge of production for GT between 1999 and 2002. He would be the guy you worked with, if you actually had a "custom" frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    I think it would be good to discern between the "idrive design" and frame construction. I too, broke several (lost count - more than a dozen) seat masts on Idrive frames.

    Never did the eccentrically mounted bottom bracket design give me troubles that couldn't be handled with a little cleaning and grease.

    To be fair -seat mast bikes are weaker than straight seat tube bikes. This is the problem you describe - and this is what has been remedied in the latest round of Idrives.

    The idrive suspension itself has actually had few problems.

    Curious that you call your Idrive "custom" - lots of people got frames made a wee bit stronger - (identifiable by lack of decals). Did Barry Burke ever contact you to "customize" your frame geometry and tube set? Barry was in charge of production for GT between 1999 and 2002. He would be the guy you worked with, if you actually had a "custom" frame.
    I shouldn't have used the word "custom." I think they might have shot it with silver paint, though... I don't know. But, I was dealing with someone at their corp offices in Co. I think his name was McClain or something like that. I was really pissed at the time because it was right around when rumors were running about them going under.

    And you're right, the frame came with 0 decals, but came with a decal kit. I never put them on because I liked the low key, butt naked look better anyway.

    BTW, I agree about your comments regarding the i-drive system vs. frame construction. I have no problems with the i-drive system and I still like it today. You just needed to relube it with some quality marine grease, then it was zero maintenance for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    When I had my Burner and Turner changed to the TNT design I performed a little experiment. I left the HL on the drive side and put a TNT pivot on the other side so I could do a direct comparison. Under coasting conditions I could detect no difference. However under pedaling and braking the bike would always pull to the right side. This was due to the more efficient HL on the drive side.
    I'm wondering how this is possible since the Chainstays are one piece? I am looking at my 5spot and that just doesn't add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.
    I second that. Which Marin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    When I had my Burner and Turner changed to the TNT design I performed a little experiment. I left the HL on the drive side and put a TNT pivot on the other side so I could do a direct comparison. Under coasting conditions I could detect no difference. However under pedaling and braking the bike would always pull to the right side. This was due to the more efficient HL on the drive side.
    Maybe I'm dense, but there is no way that I can see this as possible. The chain stay and seat stays are single pieces... Unless you cut two rear triangles in half and were able to re-weld them (no small feat, as the bushing tolerances are extreemly tight) it is impossible.

    I'm calling BS until I see phots's....

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    The new sloped top tube fad is in full swing lol, if it wasnt for the suspension it could look like a marin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockfish Dave
    I'm calling BS until I see phots's....
    Yeah me too. I know for a fact that he is just making the whole thing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Yeah me too. I know for a fact that he is just making the whole thing up.
    thanks for making me look dumber than usual dude....i did not think it through and thought you were serious. thats weak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    thanks for making me look dumber than usual dude....i did not think it through and thought you were serious. thats weak!
    Sh1t man I'm sorry, my bad. But you gotta realize that this is the AM board and as such my posts are aimed at the 'thinking man'. Sure, if I'm posting in the SS or 29er forums then I dumb things down a little.

    Maybe put something about your SS or 29'ers in you sig so this sort of thing won't happen in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.
    Anyone ever ridden and I-Drive?
    I have a 2005 Idrive that I really like.

    After I first bought the bike I got quite concerned because I was hearing/reading what seemed to be a fair amount of negativity towards GT in general. After researching and calling people on their comments or questioning them, I found out that almost all the bad press was coming from those who had never owned or even ridden a GT bike. Those that really owned one liked them. It seems as though the truly unhappy people were those who got caught in the warranty issues when GT was bought out. And more than likely rightly so.

    I bought a second GT, a hardtail, and had a problem with the rear hub. I got a hole new rear wheel no questions asked. I am quite happy with my GT experience so far. Only minor repair issues on either bike so far.

    The Idrive has been a great bike for me. Solid, handles well, I can climb most stuff I do while seated, comfortable, and has a great soft ride. I am very happy with my Idrive 5 2.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Sh1t man I'm sorry, my bad. But you gotta realize that this is the AM board and as such my posts are aimed at the 'thinking man'. Sure, if I'm posting in the SS or 29er forums then I dumb things down a little.

    Maybe if you put something about your SS or 29'ers in you sig so this sort of thing won't happen in the future.
    whatever dude, you're no different than those other homer jerks who think they own mtbr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    whatever dude, you're no different than those other homer jerks who think they own mtbr
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    I had an i-Drive, and liked the ride. Ended up snapping the frame (Seemed to be a common place to snap it) and selling it after repairs... I think I pushed it too hard, and will take a lot of the blame (though it was the weak spot of the frame). Despite these few years of corporate confusion I would guess they are still fully capable of delivering very nice bikes.

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    My first "real" mountain bike was an '01 idrive - the one with a weak seat mast. Never had any problems with the mast though. The bike as a whole was very good. I agree with the above poster who mentioned that most people who don't like GT either A) have never ridden one or B) got screwed by a bankruptcy warranty claim. The latter is the only one that has a right to talk.

    After the idrive, I rode a Giant Reign for a while and just recently built up a Heckler. I would have seriously considered another GT, but at the time there weren't any GT dealers close by. The Reign and the Heckler both have much better components than the idrive did, so a direct comparison isn't really fair (in addition to the fact that the idrive is older). But I'm convinced that the idrive suspension design delivers as advertised. My idrive's shock had no platform whatsoever, but resisted pedal induced bobbing as well as any bike I've ridden with a platform shock.

    IMO, these new bikes are the best looking full suspension bikes GT has produced. Hope they ride as good as they look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyer Road
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    I'm calling bs on this... I'll need to see a photo.

    And no way does the GT look like a Marin.

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    iDrive, I looked all over mac's website. I cant find the software is it a program for your car?



    I've been watching GT for the last two years. good to see them coming back to the LBS. I used to work at performance, I was usually dealing with GT, they're VERY nice people. It seems more like the smaller companies are always the best to deal with. GT, Jamis, Ibex, Transition.
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    GT is not exactly what I would call small...

    GT, Trek, Marin, all those rider owned companies

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop
    GT is not exactly what I would call small...

    GT, Trek, Marin, all those rider owned companies

    But they arent Xbox huge like Specialized/Kona/Trek
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    Quote Originally Posted by danyiluska
    Gt was never original. That's looks like a Trek AM bike. (I hate Trek too)
    Wait what about the RTS? Was that not original? I wish they would come up with a long travel version of that frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorsett
    Wait what about the RTS? Was that not original? I wish they would come up with a long travel version of that frame...
    This bike with 5.5" of rear travel.Some body build it for me please

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    Quote Originally Posted by todd_freeride
    But they arent Xbox huge like Specialized/Kona/Trek
    They are owned by Pacific which I believe is one of the, if not the, largest (volume) company in the industry.
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