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    New AM fork from RST!!

    hey check this out. RST is making high-end aftermarket stuff now. The Titan Air is the new AM fork. Its $349.00

    I ride this fork on my Diamondback Mission and its amazing! check the site at http://www.rstmtb.com

    heres a pic


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    so your plan is to spam all the forums with these "high end" rst forks... no thanks, i'll stick with my marz z1 light

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    whats wrong with letting people know whats out there?

    just passing the word along, thats all. : )

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    its pretty much spam when you're going on every forum and making threads about the product. You don't see people from Marzocchi, Fox or RockShox doing the same... pay for advertising bud

    http://forums.mtbr.com/search.php?searchid=5834510

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    RST=Real Sh*tty Technology

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    bah.... youre totally missing it. the reason why the other guys dont do it is because they are already established, RST (as you know) is not.

    i mean im on forums all the time, and i like checking out new stuff. ive gotten a lot of constructive criticism on the other forums. Im not asking anybody to buy them (although that would be nice!).

    either way again this is not "free advertising" just keep an open mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdee
    RST=Real Sh*tty Technology
    Thanks...

    but honestly i used to work at a shop so i know. HAHA anyways the new aftermarket line REALLY wants to stand out from RST's rep. believe me these are totally different from the usual RST stuff( thank god )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    Thanks...

    but honestly i used to work at a shop so i know. HAHA anyways the new aftermarket line REALLY wants to stand out from RST's rep. believe me these are totally different from the usual RST stuff( thank god )
    I'd put that piece of sh!t on my worst enemy's bike if I really wanted to kill him.

    Take your crap elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    Thanks...

    but honestly i used to work at a shop so i know. HAHA anyways the new aftermarket line REALLY wants to stand out from RST's rep. believe me these are totally different from the usual RST stuff( thank god )
    as you can see, if you want to improve RST's reputation, you have a long uphill battle ahead of you.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    Thanks...

    but honestly i used to work at a shop so i know. HAHA anyways the new aftermarket line REALLY wants to stand out from RST's rep. believe me these are totally different from the usual RST stuff( thank god )
    Yeah, RST is definitely on the right track if it wants to improve its reputation:

    Step 1. Fancy new graphics.

    Step 2. Hire 21-year-old stoner to spam the message boards.

    Step 3. I can't wait to see what step 3 is.
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    Hey now... thats not very constructive. HA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    Hey now... thats not very constructive. HA!
    if you speak more intelligently, you will get more respect. that is true - even outside of forums - more often than not
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    That fork is only 130 mm travel ?~? Looks like a XC fork ?~?

    Is the damper speed-sensitive, or just another orifice ?~?

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    RST had a better chance to break into the higher end market 10 years ago with their Mozo line. They couldn't compete back then with such gems as the Rock Shox Judy and Manitou SX (and was nowhere near the Bomber Z1 and Z2). Something tells me they don't have a snowballs chance in hell against the current forks...

    Stick with the $400 hardtail market...its RST's bread and butter

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    Quote Originally Posted by robdamanii
    I'd put that piece of sh!t on my worst enemy's bike if I really wanted to kill him.

    Take your crap elsewhere.
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    Man, I love to see companies try and take on the bigger establishments, but seriously bro, your crossing the line into spam. major weaksauce.

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    I seriously dont know why you guys think this is spam. Im not telling any body to buy a fork, or saying "it's the best out there!". I just thought people would like to see something new.

    Forums are about open discussion. If you dont like it thats totally fine with me. but man, im not on here to "promote" product. im here because i love bikes, im not here ONLY to talk about forks. trust me, i have been a mountain biker a lot longer than i have worked in the industry.

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    I think it might have something to do with the approach you took. First you where cross posting everywhere saying how great RST's new products where, but you had no mention about being an employee... Actually I think posting in every available forums as is could already be considered quite a bad practise.

    People here have a pretty good idea of the technology in current forks, you might have had better success by posting in the relevant forum ("Let's talk about shocks") and telling us what great new innovations your forks include (as in what's inside them).

    RST has been making pretty sub par products for a long time. Most people here run forks that cost 2-10 times as much as the whole bikes that sport RST forks. You won't convince anyone to go to a shop and test your new products just by saying you have intentions to "get into the game".

    Tell us what's inside them, and why they are so great. Then send some over to large magazines and home they make a review. You won't convince people very easily, so you might be better off accepting that and taking a slow consistent approach and being careful not to deter the already deterred potential customers further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop
    I think it might have something to do with the approach you took. First you where cross posting everywhere saying how great RST's new products where, but you had no mention about being an employee... Actually I think posting in every available forums as is could already be considered quite a bad practise.

    People here have a pretty good idea of the technology in current forks, you might have had better success by posting in the relevant forum ("Let's talk about shocks") and telling us what great new innovations your forks include (as in what's inside them).

    RST has been making pretty sub par products for a long time. Most people here run forks that cost 2-10 times as much as the whole bikes that sport RST forks. You won't convince anyone to go to a shop and test your new products just by saying you have intentions to "get into the game".

    Tell us what's inside them, and why they are so great. Then send some over to large magazines and home they make a review. You won't convince people very easily, so you might be better off accepting that and taking a slow consistent approach and being careful not to deter the already deterred potential customers further.
    Well like i said, i just thought people might want to hear about new stuff. I posted relevant info in the corresponding forums (DH fork in DH forum ect). Hey its no secret that i work for RST, and i dont know why you think i was sneaky or something. Also, i am not pressuring anybody LIKE any of the forks or even buy them. I mean, this forum is for mountain bikers. Call me crazy but i would like if mountain bikers other than myself would take a look at it.

    I am well aware of RST's reputation, they havent made a "high-end" fork for about 15 years. this isnt some marketing sceme to sell forks. im just a guy on a forum!! dont take it so seriously

    Trust me there is no deceiving in anything im doing. i didnt think it was necessary to post ALL of the tech info about all the forks. If youre curious you can either research it, or ask about it.

    yeah yeah the product reviews are already in the works, but seriously its so much more important (in my opinion) to let everybody know about it first. And yes... RST is trying to "get in the game" you know RST has a bad rep. so getting in the game as a reputable fork company is important, and how do you do that? -make good forks

    again folks keep an open mind,

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    No good Ditto

    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop
    I think it might have something to do with the approach you took. First you where cross posting everywhere saying how great RST's new products where, but you had no mention about being an employee... Actually I think posting in every available forums as is could already be considered quite a bad practise.

    People here have a pretty good idea of the technology in current forks, you might have had better success by posting in the relevant forum ("Let's talk about shocks") and telling us what great new innovations your forks include (as in what's inside them).

    RST has been making pretty sub par products for a long time. Most people here run forks that cost 2-10 times as much as the whole bikes that sport RST forks. You won't convince anyone to go to a shop and test your new products just by saying you have intentions to "get into the game".

    Tell us what's inside them, and why they are so great. Then send some over to large magazines and home they make a review. You won't convince people very easily, so you might be better off accepting that and taking a slow consistent approach and being careful not to deter the already deterred potential customers further.
    Here here! Couldn't have put it better myself. My only experience with RST is the piece of shyte elastomer spring fork I got with my first bike. Yeah, it was cool at the time, then I got into some actual entry level equipment from Manitou and realized what crap I had been riding before. Keep in mind I'm comparing to entry level Manitou (Nixon Elite, were talking about All Mountain here)... Sell us on it, don't just put it out there, why do I want a 130mm fork from an in my experience underacheiving suspension company to replace my 160mm fork for all mountain riding? So far your 0 for who knows how many who have abstained from posting here. I'm not saying that there is no chance for SR Suntour and RST, hey GT recovered, but you guys need to work on your spamming techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    Well like i said, i just thought people might want to hear about new stuff. I posted relevant info in the corresponding forums (DH fork in DH forum ect). Hey its no secret that i work for RST, and i dont know why you think i was sneaky or something. Also, i am not pressuring anybody LIKE any of the forks or even buy them. I mean, this forum is for mountain bikers. Call me crazy but i would like if mountain bikers other than myself would take a look at it.
    I'm just saying you need to work on your approach. It's well known that especially in the computer industry manufacturers where even hiring young kids to post "good experiences" about their new products on all computer related forums. This puts a lot of the most valuable "user experience" information in a questionable light. I don't see why it would be any different with bike parts or trolly's.

    By saying "Check out the new cool RST forks" the most you will achieve (even in the best case scenario) would be to have people notice what kind of stickers they have. In the worst case you will alienate users even further.

    What could make a positive difference as I mentioned would be trying to convince users by telling us what is so great about the new forks? What kind of damping is in them ect.

    Also following the forum guideline for manufacturers from the start would help.

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    Hey Mehl, just a tip, this is how you do it

    2008 Marzocchi review

    Invite this dude out to ride some of your stuff, this is how you sell forks, I bought a '07 AM 1 after reading this review, also got a sweet deal on one but this is definitely an incentive.

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    FORUMS RULES CLEARLY STATE THAT NO SPAM FOR PRODUCTS BY THE MANUFACTURER. READ THE THREAD LINKED BY TKBLAZER.

    Now, if you want to promote your products and get some good kharma by finding someone of this board that is well repsected and send them a fork for free with the stipulation that they must post a review of this board. Yes, you will lose a little money, but if someone that is respected on this board posts a favorable review then others will try the product.

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    wouldnt "selling you" on the forks be spamming?

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    That might actually give us some useful and objective information...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaddSquirrel
    FORUMS RULES CLEARLY STATE THAT NO SPAM FOR PRODUCTS BY THE MANUFACTURER. READ THE THREAD LINKED BY TKBLAZER.

    Now, if you want to promote your products and get some good kharma by finding someone of this board that is well repsected and send them a fork for free with the stipulation that they must post a review of this board. Yes, you will lose a little money, but if someone that is respected on this board posts a favorable review then others will try the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    wouldnt "selling you" on the forks be spamming?
    No, because the indepedant individual would be giving us a review not the distributor. I do find the new offerings by RST very attractive given the price, but how do they compare to other forks in the price range. The titan does have several adjustments, but how does it compare to the RockShox Recon 351,Marz Z1 Sport/Drop Off/Low end AM series, Marz Mx Series, Fox 32 Vanilla R, or even the RockShox Tora 318. If the fork was very similar so the the low end Marz stuff, but with more adjustments then I would consider buying one, but alas no one actually knows the quality and characteristics except for you, but you are to objective (maybe but you know what I mean). I am sure some of the fork gurus on this website would gladly conduct an independant test of one of your forks. If you would like some names I am sure we can put one together. I am just trying to help you out and suggest a better way of upping your market share. The advice given on these boards from a few individuals carries alot of weight. Personally, if I could only afford a ~$300 dollar fork I would rather go for a low end fork from a "Big Name" with less adjustments, because at least I will not what others experiences are. Just because a fork has air or compression adjustments does not mean its better.

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    Mehl, I have been in sales for over 25 years and you need to listen to what these people are telling you. I read and re- read your original post and all I think of is spam... Someone suggested that you send a fork to someone on this site that is reputable... what a good suggestion. The Ultra Lord(Francois)of this place gets new products sent to him all the time. He uses the product then writes a review or has people he trusts try the product then write a review. Great way to get the word out w/o pissing off numerous potential customers. Just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheckler
    Mehl, I have been in sales for over 25 years and you need to listen to what these people are telling you. I read and re- read your original post and all I think of is spam... Someone suggested that you send a fork to someone on this site that is reputable... what a good suggestion. The Ultra Lord(Francois)of this place gets new products sent to him all the time. He uses the product then writes a review or has people he trusts try the product then write a review. Great way to get the word out w/o pissing off numerous potential customers. Just a thought...
    Well I wasn't sure there was a contact for that. Also, Most of the reviews are in the works and I know I like to at least hear about a product before I read about it in a mag/on the interweb. I also encourage people to form their own opinions on the forks. I didn't reveal too much information about any of the models

    Sorry, this is one of the forums I'm new to. I have never spent to much time on MTBR but it was recommended. Just the same I myself have posted on other forums regarding different new products. Just sharing something new you know?

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    Mehl,

    Sorry you have to meet so many asswipes here. That's just how forums work. Nice people are nicer, and mean people are meaner.

    I've seen TONS of other companies employees posting new stuff on here, with no hate. As long as you're not selling directly, what's the harm?

    Try to get ahold of some more technical info about about the internals and post it in the Shocks forum.

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    As for some of you other jerks... why are you dissing the new RST forks based on some cheapo RST fork you bought before. Are you retarded or what?

    Marzocchi puts out some insanely crappy OEM forks (some of the worst forks I've ever ridden). Does that mean the 888RC2X sucks too? Makes perfect logical sense for a moron.

    You're probably the same guys who dissed the Pike and Reba when they came out as being crap, with no basis, and are now likely riding one!

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    1. What type of damper does this RST have, and in saying it's great, what do you compare it to?

    2. Will parts be available for rebuilds months to years from now? What about RST service? Do they know how to handle and cater to the demands of the high end mtb crowd when calls come in?

    3. What is the serviceability?

    4. Stiffness?

    Anything?

    The fact already exists that you made a major blunder, which could likely put your employment in jeopardy, in spamming the board. Additionally, you are showing little experience in your years by not doing the mature thing and understanding why people are on your ass here. The fact is there's a policy here about manufacturers and industry posting here. There are some that do regularly and do it abiding by the rules and contribute much to the community's knowledge base. Unfortunately, you're obtuse and pretending to not understand why people are not welcoming you here. It's not necessarily the forks and RST/POS's reputation, but your approach. Had you introduced yourself to the community, mentioned your position, said what the mission statement of the company is now, you'd have a way easier time and RST would be in a massively better position to have people wonder where the products are going and if they can pull it off. You completely bumbled this one and should not expect open arms here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehl
    wouldnt "selling you" on the forks be spamming?
    Well, you talk about the forks but you give no real information as to the kind of damping mechanism inside, so it's difficult to determine the performance without buying one. I wouldn't put a sub-par fork on my bike with an orofice damper that spiked at high speeds, and I wouldn't take a several hundred dollar chance on it. If you knew more about your product and then could present it to the right pricepoint with the right information, then you'd have somewhere to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Well, you talk about the forks but you give no real information as to the kind of damping mechanism inside, so it's difficult to determine the performance without buying one. I wouldn't put a sub-par fork on my bike with an orofice damper that spiked at high speeds, and I wouldn't take a several hundred dollar chance on it. If you knew more about your product and then could present it to the right pricepoint with the right information, then you'd have somewhere to start.
    And price wise they are about the same place as the competition, if not higher. You can get an MX delivered to you for less than what their First costs. You can get a Vanilla R for a few more bucks than what their Titan costs. And you have a similar situation with the freeride/DH/DJ forks. They are a bit cheaper (or a bit more expensive) than entry level forks from main stream brands on the same categories.

    The only one that really seems to have an edge price wise if it can deliver decent performance is the 29 fork, but that's only because you are competing in a field where, essentially, there is only one fork, the Reba. And, again, when you start looking at prices for delivered forks, you are not really that much cheaper. So unless you can offer something that's going to really separate you from the competition in terms of performance -and if we are to believe Mehl, they are using fairly standard internals, so we can expect fairly standard performance- I really can't see a reason to buy them.

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    I saw the site, and there's nothing there that leads me to believe there's anything special. It seems more of the same when low end companies try to market their forks using ads to make their products look high end and hardcore, but there's nothing behind those ads except what you suspected from a low end manufacturer. They all use the same marketing, it seems.

    I'd be willing to give them a chance to prove themselves, but this rogue marketing campaign has completely turned me off. Many others are not so forgiving.

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    the real AM fork (Storm ) will weigh over 6.5 pounds

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    Just curious as to why you think 130mm isn't enough for all mountain?

    Where I'm from alot of people freeride on 130mm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetta_mike
    Just curious as to why you think 130mm isn't enough for all mountain?

    Where I'm from alot of people freeride on 130mm....
    Where I'm from, 130mm is a fairly minimal amount for the climbs.
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    You know whats funny about all the slagging going on about the fork, is that the parts that make it up prob come out of the same factory as some other more liked fork manufacturers.
    Riding F/S since oct 94'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Where I'm from, 130mm is a fairly minimal amount for the climbs.

    I guess we're weird over here on "The Shore".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNewb
    You know whats funny about all the slagging going on about the fork, is that the parts that make it up prob come out of the same factory as some other more liked fork manufacturers.
    You are probably correct, but different quality, different damper, and just plain different. Nice example of this would bo DENSO manufacturing. My best friend is an engineer for them and they are starting to produce a new, more efficent fuel injector. SO what about the obsolete injectors they are making? Ford is buying them like crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNewb
    You know whats funny about all the slagging going on about the fork, is that the parts that make it up prob come out of the same factory as some other more liked fork manufacturers.
    BS... machine shops are a dime a dozen and there are thousands of them. So, unless you have some "special" knowledge

    Even granting your argument, you, obviously, have never seen manufacturing blue prints / specs for "similar" looking items from two or more [different] companies. It's like trying to compare two different kids from the same parent.

    FYI: I've been an Aerospace buyer ( CNC stuff / plastics / and electronics) for the past 10 years and have seen more blue prints than I'd like to remember. BTW, some of the shops I've dealt with also do/did business with some of the bike/component manufacturers we all know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetta_mike
    I guess we're weird over here on "The Shore".
    I guess the mountain bike world revolves around you then all just go and hide in my cave with my wooden wheels and keep pretending I don't know how to ride a bike

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    I'm just curious why people think 130mm/5 inches is the bare min. travel when it comes to climbing? Most of the guys I know lock there fork out on the climb...makes it easier.

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    Keeping my fork unlocked works better. I have never liked using my ETA on climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetta_mike
    I'm just curious why people think 130mm/5 inches is the bare min. travel when it comes to climbing? Most of the guys I know lock there fork out on the climb...makes it easier.
    Because we climb up stuff that makes XCers cry.
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    I would gladly review one of your fork if you want, i work in a bike shop. So i would be able to spread the word around if they are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNewb
    You know whats funny about all the slagging going on about the fork, is that the parts that make it up prob come out of the same factory as some other more liked fork manufacturers.
    RST manufactures Manitou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megaclocker
    I would gladly review one of your fork if you want, i work in a bike shop. So i would be able to spread the word around if they are good.
    already offered, no go. it appears that mehl doesn't want anyone to know whats actually inside these forks

    Mehl: heres my advice. you need to listen to what we are saying on these forums, otherwise you and your company is going to be written of as garbage, which is apparently already beggining to happen. When we say that we think that your spamming the board, you need to listen to us rather than try to defend yourself, after all, it's us who buys your stuff. How else are you going to create a customer base?

    This must be your first job, no?

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    people dont want to "keep an open mind" with 349 dollars of their money, when they can stay with the proven products, try telling the big boss at rst to have certain companies include the fork on maybe some begginer-intermediate all mountain bikes so that people wont have to spend extra to buy it aftermarket and so that begginers that are unbiased can try out your new product ( since ive seen all mountain bikes that come with forks that probably arent quite as good as that RST fork) and then after the good word gets out start selling as an aftermarket upgrade (probably want to bump up the travel, maybe come out with a coil option etc. and maybe do some more R&D into a better version)
    why don't you save me some trouble and kick your own ass?

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    get some production models to some people here and let us decide. Seriously.

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