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    Is my bike XC or AM?

    newbie...I did search but having a headache already. What is my bike anyways, XC or AM?

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    what bike?

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    lolol... you have ot tell us what bike, specs, etc.

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    Sheesh bro, we cannot read your mind yet....... Maka me laugh though
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    depends how you ride it....

    Does it have a kickstand? a sissy-bar? a banana seat?

    If you answered "yes" to any of those questions....it's neither (FTR = freshly tarred road).

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    according to his profile

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    the trek 930 is definitely an XC machine.... sweet frame to ride BTW

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    definitely XC

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    Huck it and report back.

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    If you ride up and down hills with it and on a trail no less its both.
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    that bike is much closer to the gravel path side of XC than the AM side.
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    O **** my bad! I have the Gary Fisher tassajara w/ V-brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay
    Gary Fisher tassajara w/ V-brakes.
    It is a bike.
    It is not a DH bike so take it easy when the rocky descents get steep.

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    XC but who cares (besides you)!

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    by today's standards, a big chunk of people ride 5/6" travel bikes yet do nothing but XC at most as far as I am concerned....good for them, so long as they are having fun........having said that, because of this, in my opinion, most people think their actual XC riding at best is actually AM riding (ie, average rider skill has gone down...not that I am a great rider).

    And actually, if this is the case, then perhaps XC riding of past does equal current AM riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    XC but who cares (besides you)!

    I see all this thread about xc,dh, am, etc... just curious to know. Thanks anyways d i c k !

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    Yeah, learn to search and read before wasting bandwidth here. Thanks for not asking ridiculous and childish questions in the future, especially when not mentioning what bike you have.

    Also, try to confine yourself in the What Bike to Buy forum. I'm sure that is where you're headed next. You will be in great company there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    then perhaps XC riding of past does equal current AM riding.
    IMO XC is just the same as AM the only difference is AM is more a marketing term to sell more bikes/parts. More for also the average rider as most getting into the sport dont know if they want to race or just have fun. Also cause some xc weenies didnt want to be associated with xc racers cause they despised lycra or something like that.
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    Okay fine- you're prob a real young un so I'll not get all personal on you but the classifications will blend into each other as will riders.

    XC- 70-73 degree HA, HT to 4" travel lighter bikes that see no/few drops. Most riders ride smooth trails and rough ones but ride them smoothly with little air and no drops over a foot. Genrally bikes are under 30 lbs.

    AM- 4"-6.5" bikes with a HA of 67.5-69ish. Most riders will hit rocky stuff fast and do drops as needed. Generally, bikes are from 27-35 lbs or so. Any more than 35 lbs and you are probably building up more of a Freeride bike but this happens. This Fo fella tends to build up 37 lb XC bikes and then berates those who do not follow him. Nice guy though he does have a fetish for things white.

    You can ride a twitchy XC bike in an AM fashion and the other way around but AL riding means hard and fast riding with drops upto 3"

    Any more and, in my opinion, you are wandering into Freeride territory. Your bike is pure XC though you can do AM stuff with it. Be careful- it will be much easier to endo on that GF Tass. It prob has a 71 degreee HA and obviously no rear travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    This Fo fella tends to build up 37 lb XC bikes and then berates those who do not follow him. Nice guy though he does have a fetish for things white.
    how dare you.....after putting new tires on it is down to 36 lbs....37 is just crazy talk. having said that, it rides killer.....have no problem doing typical somewhat long XC rides. If you are in decent shape (ie, not a typical phat-asss homer) there is nothing wrong with using a mid 30s bike for all day riding.....nothing at all. Having said that I also have a 19 lb MTB which is fun too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNewb
    IMO XC is just the same as AM the only difference is AM is more a marketing term to sell more bikes/parts.
    I couldn't disagree more. If you feel they are the same, I think that says more about your riding style, bike build & local trails than the potential of the frames themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    I couldn't disagree more. If you feel they are the same, I think that says more about your riding style, bike build & local trails than the potential of the frames themselves.
    though at the end of the day its irrelevant........

    curb drops for one may be considered (by the curb dropper) as AM riding....its as silly as a midwest singlespeeder telling me what gearing they recommend when I live in CA and do more elevation gain in one climb than they do on their whole ride.....

    pretty aggro riding might be considered FR/light FR by some is simply AM riding by others' standards (eg, Noel from Knolly Bikes a la Delerium T being an AM bike for the BC area).

    etc...etc....etc...

    i simply say if you ride such that you need 6" travel with a burly frame, then get a 6" travel burly frame....if you are fast as hell and live for the climb, get a light short travel FS or hardtail......whatever......or, if you are using your hard earned money and really like that cool 6" lightweight poseur bike, then more power to you....its your money and so long as you use the bike who friggin cares

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    No argument there FO, and that's why I don't understand sweeping statements like SuperNewb's. Now if he prefixed his statement with "Round these here parts"...
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    That statement was put there to elicit a response. Fo, you rarely take the bait. You're slipping

    I tend to agree. It's all about what you like doing and what your terrain is like. It's about what your bike can safely handle and what you can safely handle.

    Don't get caught up on the XC-AM thing. AM is just another word for hardcore XC. Ride, build your skills, and then decide if you need to build your bike up heavier or get another bike that can safely handle your riding style and trails.

    Collecting bikes is fun, even blinding white ones. I'm happy to just pedal along looking at wildflowers and clouds. Sometimes, what matters is how cool you look at the trailhead, right Fo?

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    AM is when you ride on mountains and XC is when you ride on the country side lol
    get to the choppa!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    That statement was put there to elicit a response. Fo, you rarely take the bait. You're slipping

    I tend to agree. It's all about what you like doing and what your terrain is like. It's about what your bike can safely handle and what you can safely handle.

    Don't get caught up on the XC-AM thing. AM is just another word for hardcore XC. Ride, build your skills, and then decide if you need to build your bike up heavier or get another bike that can safely handle your riding style and trails.

    Collecting bikes is fun, even blinding white ones. I'm happy to just pedal along looking at wildflowers and clouds. Sometimes, what matters is how cool you look at the trailhead, right Fo?
    indeed.......though nothing makes you feel more like a mental patient than looking cool at the trailhead but sucking a$$ on the trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Okay fine- you're prob a real young un so I'll not get all personal on you but the classifications will blend into each other as will riders.

    XC- 70-73 degree HA, HT to 4" travel lighter bikes that see no/few drops. Most riders ride smooth trails and rough ones but ride them smoothly with little air and no drops over a foot. Genrally bikes are under 30 lbs.

    AM- 4"-6.5" bikes with a HA of 67.5-69ish. Most riders will hit rocky stuff fast and do drops as needed. Generally, bikes are from 27-35 lbs or so. Any more than 35 lbs and you are probably building up more of a Freeride bike but this happens. This Fo fella tends to build up 37 lb XC bikes and then berates those who do not follow him. Nice guy though he does have a fetish for things white.

    You can ride a twitchy XC bike in an AM fashion and the other way around but AL riding means hard and fast riding with drops upto 3"

    Any more and, in my opinion, you are wandering into Freeride territory. Your bike is pure XC though you can do AM stuff with it. Be careful- it will be much easier to endo on that GF Tass. It prob has a 71 degreee HA and obviously no rear travel.

    You see how easy it is to just answer the question. Thank you vey much! Yes, I'll say I'm still young but not that young, 27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay
    You see how easy it is to just answer the question. Thank you vey much! Yes, I'll say I'm still young but not that young, 27.
    27 Your all washed up then man that is vintage.
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    I generally prefer a DH bike when doing drops over 3".........

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    I ride my hardtail on stuff that you guys consider all mountain. Looks like I should have got more bike. I'm doing fine as it is now...maybe I would get better as a rider if I went FS.
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    With 6" of travel minimum and freeride worthy parts.

    Just cause some ppl ride with bikes with faster steering geometry doesnt mean its not *coughs* AM.

    Whens AM extreme coming out?
    Riding F/S since oct 94'

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    I agree with SuperNewb. I ride the same sh%t on my Nomad that I rode back in the day on hardtails. Only difference is now I ride it faster. XC and AM are more marketing terms. If you can rock it, then ride what you got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudlover71
    I agree with SuperNewb. I ride the same sh%t on my Nomad that I rode back in the day on hardtails. Only difference is now I ride it faster. XC and AM are more marketing terms. If you can rock it, then ride what you got.
    That, my friend, is the truth. 15 years ago we did the same trails on non-suspension, steel frames (heavy bastids). Back then there was one category: "Mountain". All these wacked subcategories ARE marketing gimmicks. Freeride and All Mountain are hair splitting off-shoots of Downhill and Cross Country respectively. I want my mommy...

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    Fo has no idea WTF he's talking about! If a guy in Kansas's opionion isn't good enough for you than Why are asking him?

    By his logic WTF are we here on MTBR for anyway? Or should we just ban certain topics cause all the asswholes in SoCal think everyone else is a grum that dosen't know how to ride.

    And Fo you don't ride anyway so how the F$%k would you know what anybody else does with their thirty whatever lb bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pjk91
    I ride my hardtail on stuff that you guys consider all mountain. Looks like I should have got more bike. I'm doing fine as it is now...maybe I would get better as a rider if I went FS.
    and how would you know what people all over the world would consider AM?

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    I raced a Webco BMX side hack, now that is AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    and how would you know what people all over the world would consider AM?
    Honestly, it doesn't even matter what it's called whatever it is I ride. All that matters is if you can handle whatever you're riding, and your bike takes it, and you're getting better as a rider then it shouldn't matter whether I call what I ride AM or XC or even free riding. I go to MTB parks, I do singletracks, doubletracks, logging trails, unmarked trails and even a little bit of urban...all on my hardtail.

    I'll stick to the phrase "off-road biking" since it causes the least amount of controversy.
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    People are doing the same trails on fully rigid bikes and enjoying it. On really technical trails, a FS is certainly more capable as a bike. However, a rider who has developed a lot of experience and skills can do stuff on a rigid that many of us would crash and burn on with an FS bike. Don't confuse rider skill with the bike's capabilities. Vintage cars had antiquated suspension sytems (some may have had none) and tubed tires (maybe even solid rubber tires early on?). I'm sure some would love to drive those around today but as technology has progressed, most people adopt it. Just because new technology is expensive and you can ride the same trails on a rigid does not mean their capabilities are the same. Enjoy what you ride and let others as well. Don't look down upon someone just because he or she is riding a smooth trail on a 5" travel bike. A couple of the rigid 29er SS guys I have met are very snobbish and act like jerks while looking down upon all FS riders. They are admittedly among the fastest riders I have met and put pressure on everyone at the trails when they ride but guess what? My buddy o(who races at a pretty high level) and I showed up one day at the trailhead when they were also getting ready to leave. My buddy (on his brand new 5" travel bike) humbled them both- on a moderately technical (in sections) yet very fast trail. They about died trying to stay ahead of him and after 20 minutes of that, had to move over to let him pass. Maybe they will be a bit less cocky and rude now. Disclaimer- I was dropped pretty quickly and make no claims of amazing speed. I think I almost passed out that day with that constant acceleration.

    Don't let your bike define what "camp" you are in. Just be a mountain biker and respect other riders. Don't be snobbish because you're a SS rider and don't be a zealot because you think one way is superior. That is so immature. We all support the economy and the bike industry, some more than others

    Thanks for letting me get on my soapbox- I feel a lot better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudlover71
    I agree with SuperNewb. I ride the same sh%t on my Nomad that I rode back in the day on hardtails. Only difference is now I ride it faster. XC and AM are more marketing terms. If you can rock it, then ride what you got.
    Totally. I just bought a real AM bike, but I've ridden everything on my old Giant HT... including some black diamonds at Bootleg Canyon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay
    O **** my bad! I have the Gary Fisher tassajara w/ V-brakes.
    Just for looking at the Gary Fisher page on the web, your bike looks like one that would fall into the so-called "cross country" (or XC) camp. Nothing at all wrong w/that.

    When you get into "all mountain", people focus a lot on suspension travel and on doing jumps and drops. But I find that geometry is also important, and more so to me than being able to do drops. I ride an "all mountain" bike, and I don't do drops or jumps at all (yet). Why do I ride all mountain then? It's because of the head-angle and other geometry differences. I love going fast on the downhills, and the slacker geometry of my all mountain bike adds a great deal to my confidence. I have much less of that feeling of being about to go over the bars than I had on my previous, cross-country bike. The six inches of suspension travel is nice too, but for me the real kicker is the slacker geometry and the resulting increased confidence going down hills.

    Your bike looks nice, btw. I wish I'd had something like that when I was younger. Enjoy it.

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    Real all mountain?

    This is my dream am bike.....(and short course dh as well, of course)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1+1
    This is my dream am bike.....(and short course dh as well, of course)
    Love that front brake rod, better than a disc.
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    Near perfection

    comes in green too!

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