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    Money no object - AM WheelSet

    If money were no object, what wheel set? I have an '07 Enduro Expert - Large. Thinking about wheels. I know there are similar threads about specific components, but I didn't want to thread jack...

    Selling a pile of stuff so that I have a pile of money to possibly spend... Maybe...

    Was originally thinking Hope Pro IIs, and Stans Arch rims... Trying to lighten things up as much as possible without comprimising strength, blah blah blah...

    I weigh 220 now, Enduro is around 31 lbs... I'll be lighter later this Summer probably and hopefully the Enduro will be too.

    Got a buddy gushing over I9 wheel sets and they do make a 25mm through axle front. So opinions? Thoughts? Rants? etc...

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    Here we go again......

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    Edge Composites carbon rims. 400g dh rim, only $775 a rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsomtb
    Here we go again......
    HAHAHAHA!!

    I know... I see mostly posts on specific components. Hope Hubs, which Rim, blah blah blah...

    Thinking full on wheel sets...

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    It's just a matter of time.
    I'm popping some popcorn and icing down some beers in anticipation....

    Stay tuned!!!!

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    Bolt-on Chris King with steel freehub shell, or Hadley, in the rear, Hope Pro 2 in the front and Stan's Flow rims.

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    king iso, mavic 819 (now my fav), sapim spokes(I run dt swiss but i would like to try the x-ray spokes) and tubeless.

    There are many boutique wheelsets you can buy but what it really comes down to is how you ride if you are a hack rider like myself probably not going to go with industry nine cause of the pretty aluminum spokes, mmmmm they are sexy though,or any edge carbon rim type of builds cause i know i will beat the hell out of them and probably cry when I scratch them. But on the other hand if you and a flow trype rider and dont encounter any type of disasterous rock gardens that are covered in muddy water(thank you new england weather) then gofor some edge carbon rims and some industry nine suff (if I9 spokes are compatable)
    So id say stick with king and some type of mavic rim and youll be happy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by gsomtb
    It's just a matter of time.
    I'm popping some popcorn and icing down some beers in anticipation....

    Stay tuned!!!!
    That was the BEST idea ever.....

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    All's quiet so far....calm b/f the storm?

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    gotta have king hubs, or hadley. hope are nice, but imho chris king are da shizzle. mavic factory wheelsets look cool, but are their hubs still made of cheese?

    my current wheelset is hope bulb front, pro2 rear, black ano sapim double butted spokes, dt swiss ex5.1d rims, nokian gazzaloddi dual tires. probably shoulda gone hope bulb for both front and rear instead of more lightweight pro2 rear. also, the bulb rear has 36 engagement points vs the pro2's 24.

    anyway, i love this combo, but only went for hope hubs cause i couldn't afford chris king or hadley. after 18months of abuse the rims are almost pefectly true and the bearings are still smooth. never get pinch flats. never had a tubeless wheelset, and don't really understand what all the fuss is about. slight advantage for weight weenies i guess. i do remember the early tubeless products, which were a real pain in the ass.
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    I'll bite... If you ride a lot of technical trails or rock gardens, then you will definately appreciate the engagement advantage given by the King, Hadley, or I9 hubs. Hope hubs are nice, but they just don't have the quick engagement of the others. I have a a wheelset based on the Hope (dt supercomp to stan's arch) and one using King (dt comp to stan's flow), and while the Hope wheelset is about 200 grams lighter, I much prefer the King wheelset. I really like the Stan's rims ran tubeless with their yellow tape and sealant, and prefer traditional spokes, as they're available most anywhere.

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    Crank bros all mountain.........especially if you got the right colour enduro...

    http://www.singletracks.com/mtbrevie...lset/1615.html
    Hold on 2 your f***n fillings !!!!!

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    09 Mavic crossmax SX, sub 2kg and very stiff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G4VNJ
    Crank bros all mountain.........especially if you got the right colour enduro...

    http://www.singletracks.com/mtbrevie...lset/1615.html
    Dang, those things are wild lookin'... Gotta read up on them...

    I think the color would work... I guess the big question would be if they come available with the 25mm through axle for compatibility with the e150 fork...


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    Bump....I'm interested in hearing more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepnut22
    Dang, those things are wild lookin'... Gotta read up on them...
    I did the reading and concluded that like most other things from Crank Brothers they have a very interesting design, they are shiny, fragile, and unjustifiably expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    I did the reading and concluded that like most other things from Crank Brothers they have a very interesting design, they are shiny, fragile, and unjustifiably expensive.
    That's the killer right there...

    Again, as mentioned originally, Money no Object. Really looking to see what creative minds here actually put together. Main reason I asked... Not that I have money to spend right now, but one can always gleem some ideas from those more experienced. Gazillion threads here and on other forums about specific parts (hubs, rims, spokes, etc...). Full on wheelsets, whether OEM, or thought up...

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    CK or Hadleys
    DT supercomps
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    Chris kings ISO
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    I really, really, really like my XT 20mm wheelset. They always stay true, are light, and UST or tube compatible.
    "It looks flexy"

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    I can't believe I'm the first person to lust after an I9 wheelset. That is what I would buy if money were no object.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus
    CK or Hadleys
    DT supercomps
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    I like it. Not the lightest setup but it will still be damn light and burly as hell. Provided there is a 25mm setup for the front... that could be an issue, though front hubs are not really that critical in terms of performance.

    CB's are un-proven and over-priced if they are consistent with the rest of their lineup.

    I9's are sexy as hell but there are questions about the spoke setup, same for the Mavic Crossmax SX's.
    Bike good, work bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunfodder
    I can't believe I'm the first person to lust after an I9 wheelset. That is what I would buy if money were no object.
    A friend of mine reached out to I9 about a wheelset to run on his Enduro a while ago. He just forwarded me their reply...

    I9's Response:

    Thank you for your inquiry and interest in our products, too my apologies for the delayed response we were closed over the holidays just reopening Monday the 5th, needless to say I’m still trying to dig my way out from a huge pile of email…Yes, we offer a 25mm axle conversion to run the Specialized fork with our Enduro hubset and our classic hubs which accept j-bend spokes. Please let me know if you have any further questions, I’ll be happy to help.

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    The Mavic 819 is in between the XR 4.2d and the EX 5.1. For AM, are the 4.2's too weak? I do quite a bit of climbing and would appreciate less rolling resistance, but not at the expense of rims too weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hchchch
    The Mavic 819 is in between the XR 4.2d and the EX 5.1. For AM, are the 4.2's too weak? I do quite a bit of climbing and would appreciate less rolling resistance, but not at the expense of rims too weak.
    I am not sure how rims will affect rolling resistance. That is all about tires. Maybe you wanted to say "weight"? You would not save much on the rim that is strong enough for an AM bike, easier to pick lighter tires that you like that are adequate for your terrain..

    Some people consider 5.1 too weak for AM. I like mine so far. 819 is probably actually stronger then 5.1, but narrower, I did not like'em with wider tires. Couldn't resist the deal on Hope Hoops (Hope Pro II laced to 5.1) - around $300 total cost shipped from UK was hard to ignore.

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    yeah, if you are a chick

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    I9s or Edge Composites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutcat
    I9s or Edge Composites.
    or I9s laced to Edge if you are a true chick

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yeah, if you are a chick
    Hey now, Bike Rumor said that the DT rep said "they’re tough enough to be used by lighter women for downhill racing, or as a superlight racing wheelset for clydesdale racers."

    See here:
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/05/08/...n-bike-wheels/

    So as a 140 pound AM riding hack like myself, they should be perfect
    AND....they're carbon....every bike needs a little carbon fiber

    Edit: Saw at the bottom of the article that Sam Hill and Greg Minaar are running the EXC's - those guy's are faster, and harder on equipment that I'll ever be...
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    Quote Originally Posted by deoreo
    AND....they're carbon....every bike needs a little carbon fiber
    Handlebars and headset spacers should suffice.

    Quote Originally Posted by deoreo
    Edit: Saw at the bottom of the article that Sam Hill and Greg Minaar are running the EXC's - those guy's are faster, and harder on equipment that I'll ever be...
    They also do not pay for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Handlebars and headset spacers should suffice.
    Faux carbon stickers are ok but definitely not handlebars, except for chicks of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Faux carbon stickers are ok but definitely not handlebars, except for chicks of course
    What about rear derailleur cage?

    My weight weenie bike has carbon brake levers. I do not use them anyway, it a climbing bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    What about rear derailleur cage?

    My weight weenie bike has carbon brake levers. I do not use them anyway, it a climbing bike.
    good point...thanks for calling that out. I have an XTR rear der on one bike that i forgot about, therefore, carbon on rear der is acceptable. Otherwise, retarded....whoops, I also have a carbon fork on my SS so that is ok, but only if it is the same carbon fork on the same frame otherwise, ghey

    in short, if i have it on my bikes its acceptable otherwise, ghey

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    king rear, hope front or full hadley laced to flows with dt spokes. sapim if you've got the money. for an eyeletted rim halo freedom disc

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    king rear, hope front or full hadley laced to flows with dt spokes. sapim if you've got the money. for an eyeletted rim halo freedom disc
    man, that is one hell of a melting-pot wheelset! you surely embrace diversity dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    king rear, hope front or full hadley laced to flows with dt spokes. sapim if you've got the money. for an eyeletted rim halo freedom disc
    Rear should have brass nipples on the drive side and colored alloy nipples on the non-drive side for extra style points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    or I9s laced to Edge
    This

    Or Zipp 808z

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_S
    This

    Or Zipp 808z
    good point...the word "Zipp" is very ghey and earns bonus points so yeah, get Zipps

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    I like my wheels..... Spangled Silver Velocity Blunts with Polished White Industry hubs and DT Triple Butted spokes. They have been holding up pretty well, even after a few crashes where the bike went tumbling down the hill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    man, that is one hell of a melting-pot wheelset! you surely embrace diversity dude

    no, i love king rear hubs but their front hubs lack conversion capabilities. for the money hope front hubs are sweet and they convert from 9mm qr to qr15 to 20mm in seconds and the conversion parts are fairly cheap. hadleys are sweet as well and their front hub converts too. i was never sold on i9 andi see now some people are having long term durability issues. kings stay solid for years and the new setup with th hd axle makes bearing adjustment easy and proprietary tool free. even if i knew i was staying 20mm i'd still ride a hope front hub as for 1/2 the price of aking i can't see any value in running the king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    no, i love king rear hubs but their front hubs lack conversion capabilities. for the money hope front hubs are sweet and they convert from 9mm qr to qr15 to 20mm in seconds and the conversion parts are fairly cheap. hadleys are sweet as well and their front hub converts too. i was never sold on i9 andi see now some people are having long term durability issues. kings stay solid for years and the new setup with th hd axle makes bearing adjustment easy and proprietary tool free. even if i knew i was staying 20mm i'd still ride a hope front hub as for 1/2 the price of aking i can't see any value in running the king.
    no argument there though 9mm and standard qr is retarded and I would never run 9mm so Kings are fine for me in that regard since they can go between 20mm and retarded 15mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    no argument there though 9mm and standard qr is retarded and I would never run 9mm so Kings are fine for me in that regard since they can go between 20mm and retarded 15mm

    yeah, i don't think i'd ever buy a 9mm qr fork again but i might build up a cheap townie someday or a bike for my kids and need to use an old fork. nice to have the option. yeah, kings now convert between qr15 and 20mm but i still cry having to pay that much for a front hub. i can justify the rear because of the engagement and durabilty but not the front when all it has to do is spin and stay on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    yeah, i don't think i'd ever buy a 9mm qr fork again but i might build up a cheap townie someday or a bike for my kids and need to use an old fork. nice to have the option. yeah, kings now convert between qr15 and 20mm but i still cry having to pay that much for a front hub. i can justify the rear because of the engagement and durabilty but not the front when all it has to do is spin and stay on the bike.
    non matching hubs are ghey

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    Nice thread resurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    no, i love king rear hubs but their front hubs lack conversion capabilities. for the money hope front hubs are sweet and they convert from 9mm qr to qr15 to 20mm in seconds and the conversion parts are fairly cheap. hadleys are sweet as well and their front hub converts too. i was never sold on i9 andi see now some people are having long term durability issues. kings stay solid for years and the new setup with th hd axle makes bearing adjustment easy and proprietary tool free. even if i knew i was staying 20mm i'd still ride a hope front hub as for 1/2 the price of aking i can't see any value in running the king.
    they're getting better. 9mm qr king hubs can be converted to 15mm and 10mm bolt on.

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    Easton Havoc AM, replace bearings with Enduro's ceramics. Have the whole wheeset stripped and get them anodized in two shades of blue; royal hub, navy spokes, royal rims.

    just thought i throw out something different.

    but seriously, other than the stock bearings wearing out ridiculously fast, these wheels have held up incredibly well. You could buy two sets and two sets of tires for the price of some of these others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    non matching hubs are ghey
    true. so is owning a bike for more than a month

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    true. so is owning a bike for more than a month
    xlnt point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine
    they're getting better. 9mm qr king hubs can be converted to 15mm and 10mm bolt on.
    true but they still don't do all three and the conversion parts sre relatively expensive. ut fo is right, you can't have non matching hubs. i personally love to ride with a team jersey, shorts, socks and beanie under my helmut. the helmut obviously must match my frame colour perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    true but they still don't do all three and the conversion parts sre relatively expensive. ut fo is right, you can't have non matching hubs. i personally love to ride with a team jersey, shorts, socks and beanie under my helmut. the helmut obviously must match my frame colour perfectly.
    if you are confused about attire, i am happy to help with a diagram. matching clothes etc is very ghey but on a bike it is critical

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    if you are confused about attire, i am happy to help with a diagram. matching clothes etc is very ghey but on a bike it is critical
    i am waiting with bated breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    i am waiting with bated breath.
    Yes, I know I am very handsome


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Yes, I know I am very handsome

    very sweet. i am surprised that after all the comments about your gigantic noggin that you didn't have to remove all the interior padding out of that skate lid to get it to fit. how many bikes old is that photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    very sweet. i am surprised that after all the comments about your gigantic noggin that you didn't have to remove all the interior padding out of that skate lid to get it to fit. how many bikes old is that photo?
    depends on how you look at it. I choose to look at it from the perspective of having x bikes per "group". As such, this bike is only 2 bikes old since it comes from my 29er FS "group", and has been replaced by this contraption instead...except the POS RASE adjustable seatpost has been replaced by the badazz Command post which is b!tchin





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    non dw-link turner. time to upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    depends on how you look at it. I choose to look at it from the perspective of having x bikes per "group". As such, this bike is only 2 bikes old since it comes from my 29er FS "group", and has been replaced by this contraption instead...except the POS RASE adjustable seatpost has been replaced by the badazz Command post which is b!tchin




    ok, still a beautiful example of a black and white colour scheme. what can you do about the ano red ring on the command post? it will ruin the black/white theme regardless of how b!tchin it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine
    non dw-link turner. time to upgrade
    This one looks like DW?

    In case, his knee guards now have a clashing orange accent in the middle. Those are some serioulsy clean kneeguards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine
    non dw-link turner. time to upgrade
    FAIL

    its DW, anything less is for b!tches

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    ok, still a beautiful example of a black and white colour scheme. what can you do about the ano red ring on the command post? it will ruin the black/white theme regardless of how b!tchin it is
    there is no red on the Command Post...you must be thinking about the POS Ghey Joplin post which does have red...here is pic of command post



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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    there is no red on the Command Post...you must be thinking about the POS Ghey Joplin post which does have red...here is pic of command post


    i was thinking of the remote lever. that is red in some of the pictures i've seen. thank god it comes in black, i'd hate to see you keep riding the rase for styles sake. on a serious note, how do you find the command post? i have an amp post and it's my first adjustable post. i'm happy with it but i need a post for my wife's bike and am looking at trying something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    there is no red on the Command Post...you must be thinking about the POS Ghey Joplin post which does have red...here is pic of command post



    by the way, that's an excellent application of iDirt on that bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    i was thinking of the remote lever. that is red in some of the pictures i've seen. thank god it comes in black, i'd hate to see you keep riding the rase for styles sake. on a serious note, how do you find the command post? i have an amp post and it's my first adjustable post. i'm happy with it but i need a post for my wife's bike and am looking at trying something else.
    have friends, or people who pretend to be my friends i should say, with every post now on the market it seems. While I have no data to prove it, I have no doubt that considering weight, reliability, amount of play, amount of travel, mechanism of adjustment, etc...the Command Post has to be the best IMHO. The Only downside (though not for me) is that the size is 30.9mm so obviously if smaller its a no go and if larger a shim will be required.

    Here is a pic of lever which is very NOT ghey red



    and for my token "on topic" comment, for me the perfect AM wheelset is the one i ordered last week, i.e., King Hubs, front 20mm, rear 10mm thru-axle version using 10mm x 135mm Hadley racing axle, with heavy duty rear hub based on a stainless steel driveshell, DT Comp spokes laced to in my case Flow 29er rims (for 26er I love Syncros DS28 personally but Mavic 819s are killer too if you dont need something as big as Syncros DS28s or Mavic 321s etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    FAIL

    its DW, anything less is for b!tches
    it was hard to see from the other picture.
    Last edited by saturnine; 08-26-2009 at 09:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    have friends, or people who pretend to be my friends i should say, with every post now on the market it seems. While I have no data to prove it, I have no doubt that considering weight, reliability, amount of play, amount of travel, mechanism of adjustment, etc...the Command Post has to be the best IMHO. The Only downside (though not for me) is that the size is 30.9mm so obviously if smaller its a no go and if larger a shim will be required.

    Here is a pic of lever which is very NOT ghey red



    and for my token "on topic" comment, for me the perfect AM wheelset is the one i ordered last week, i.e., King Hubs, front 20mm, rear 10mm thru-axle version using 10mm x 135mm Hadley racing axle, with heavy duty rear hub based on a stainless steel driveshell, DT Comp spokes laced to in my case Flow 29er rims (for 26er I love Syncros DS28 personally but Mavic 819s are killer too if you dont need something as big as Syncros DS28s or Mavic 321s etc)
    yeah i like the syncros rims as well. i just bought a pair of halo freedom disc rims which are cheaper than the syncros and they are the same rim just rebadged. got them from crc and i like not having to use the ghey mavic tool on them like you have to on 819s. for the money th halos/syncros are great rims. i've got a set of flow 26 rims as well but they're a little pricey.

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    ][QUOTE=FoShizzle]
    Here is a pic of lever which is very NOT ghey red



    untitled.bmp
    here's the red i saw

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    So is there a general threshold drop off height that I can use to determine between the XR 4.2d or EX 5.1? I do aggressive XC / light AM on rocky terrain with drop offs below 2 feet.

    Light AM from the downhill side of extreme climbs up mountain trails. Because I have to go up before I can go down, I would like to get as light a rim as possible without compromising that much strength.

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    speaking of wheels how do you like the spinergys on the turner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck
    speaking of wheels how do you like the spinergys on the turner?
    In all honesty, I love them. I am very very happy with them. I have owned Spinergys from YEARS ago and will be the first to admit that their rear hub was awful...but like so many companies (eg, Rockshox/SRAM) who used to be bad, they have dealt with their weaknesses.

    Spinergy now sources some of their rear hub parts from Hadley which I assume has helped.

    My only complaint is that I wish they had a 28mm rim version of 29er wheels, but they dont...not yet anyway. Having said that, the wheelset rocks and zero complaints so far. The only small complaint, which is blown out of proportion A LOT on mtbr, is the engagement is not as fast as something like King or I9. But for this type of bike its a TOTAL moot point and its good enough...thumbs up for Spinergy

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    Lynx Saddles?

    Fo,
    How are you liking the Lynx saddle. I can't decide between the Lynx and Trailmaster DT.

    I know saddles are personal but your thoughts would be great.

    Thanks,
    TG

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR
    Fo,
    How are you liking the Lynx saddle. I can't decide between the Lynx and Trailmaster DT.

    I know saddles are personal but your thoughts would be great.

    Thanks,
    TG
    great question....it is my favorite saddle ever, honestly. though as you say its a personal thing, the cushion in the nose area is killer...the weight is very reasonable too for such a comfy saddle (~260 g).

    I also just ordered another one for my new build....exactly the same saddle given how much i dig it on the turner

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Yes, I know I am very handsome

    Nothing says badass like a creamsicle.

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    Whatever you get, they should have Edge composite rims for no other reason than they cost $750 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    Nothing says badass like a creamsicle.
    the b!tches are all over the creamsicle i assure you

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    Whatever you get, they should have Edge composite rims for no other reason than they cost $750 each.
    There is literally nothing more Metro than Edge rims

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