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    Cool-blue Rhythm Is MC San Andreas Really The Worst ?

    I just read a new issue of Mountain Bike Rider and in one of the articles they said the San Andreas Classic is " one of the worst mountain bikes in a decade."

    I ride many bikes at a bike shop where I work part time and own a San Andreas and I think its actually one of the best all around bikes out there. Every time I get on one of the new long travel wonder bikes, I love my San An's climbing and overal ability to handle larger hits and rock gardens even more. There are many, expensive, 6 inch travel "all mountain" wonder bikes, that don't climb as easily and don't decend any better.
    I've also learned thru hard experiance, over many months and miles, that my San An's reliabilty is hard to match.
    I run into people trying to tighten pivots on multi link bikes on a regular basis at Bootleg Canyon. I also find multi link bike pivot parts on the trail all the time. It always surprises me, how many people don't carry a mini tool.
    One of the complaints from Mountain Bike Rider, was how tall the bottom bracket is on the old San Andreas'. Did anyone from that mag check the BB height on the new generation of long travel AM rigs? They are all catching up to the San An, with heights getting close to 15 inches. Some of those bike rags don't check things out before they open their mouths.
    The frame designs are different, but the pivot locations and geometrys on many of the top name brand frames like the older Santa Cruz Bullets and Specialized Big Hits are as close to identical as they can get to the orginal Mountain Cycle design without getting sued for patent infringment.


    It's getting obvious that the opinions of the bike rags no longer matters, that they must be pushing favorite and / or freinds products.

    My $ 2.00 worth.
    Later, Eric
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    I remember when those hit the stores, back in the mid-nineties. They were revolutionary back then, and the fact that they're still around, must be a testament, to their design. I wouldn't say they are the worst bike, of last10 years, there was a ton of one-off stuff, that was way worse. Besides, they ride year-round in the rain over there, so how could they honestly rate an all-mountain bike?

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    It is the most hateful pile of sh#te I've ever read! I'll never part with money to buy their mag again after that! They are practically up Specialised's backside and have some very odd ideas about the what everyone should ride (which they keep changing!)

    God just the thought of the original review and that "10 worst" article makes my blood boil. They quite liked the DNA but still slagged off the original all the way through the DNA review!

    I have a 92 frame (3rd into the UK?) that has been constantly updated over the years with new shocks/forks etc and I still love riding it - I don't think I'd EVER be without a San Andreas.
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    I think it was in Bike magazine (was it?) that they put the San An up as one of the ten most influential/revolutionary bikes in history, in the same league with the first Joe Breeze frames and the M1. Worst bike my __ss.

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    I had one

    I had the a new san an DNA I loved it climbed like a tractor nothing would stop it not uphill rock gardens or downed trees. It came back down like a dream. I smashed mine after a month but I can not fault mountain cycle I have trouble with most bikes and they took care of me very well. There is one bad problem rear tire clearance it fits most tires but as soon as you go through mud holes the frame scrapes the mud from the tire and is like riding with the brakes on. But it looks like this too will be resolved with the new line of bike that will be coming out.

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    ... and if we just ... If anyone doubts the above opinions...

    Do a search on this website for the San Andreas and when you find something, click on
    " more products from Mountain Cycle ".
    Look under older framesets, San Andreas and San Andreas DHS.
    The reviews are outstanding and go back for a long time.

    Later, Eric



    To the administrators;
    How come the San Andreas has never gotten a consumer's choice award, it seems to meet the criteria.
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    i stopped buying mbr a good while back as all they seem to do is pose,and big up specialized,i have nothing against specialized just not a lover either.

    kevhogaz reply about year round rain was a bit pointless as,i would feel that the uk is an ideal testing ground for all mountain,nothing against american designers but its no good testing a bike in the desert,when the general buying public dont all live in deserts.

    the original san andreas was a fave for me for a very long time,and also a staff writers fave of mbuk,but times change and so do tastes.

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    it is certainly the ugliest

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by konut
    i stopped buying mbr a good while back as all they seem to do is pose,and big up specialized,i have nothing against specialized just not a lover either.

    kevhogaz reply about year round rain was a bit pointless as,i would feel that the uk is an ideal testing ground for all mountain,nothing against american designers but its no good testing a bike in the desert,when the general buying public dont all live in deserts.

    the original san andreas was a fave for me for a very long time,and also a staff writers fave of mbuk,but times change and so do tastes.
    We test here in the U.S. in all conditions. While its true that the manufactures test here in the desert at Bootleg Canyon where I ride, they also test in the Pacific Northwest in lots of mud,besides I know from experiance, that here in the desert the heat and near zero humidity are as bad if not worse than the mud.
    My bike cloths and parts, don't last anywhere near as long in the heat and non existent humidity, as when I used to live in the much wetter climate of the San Francisco area in CA. The soil in the wetter climates stays more on the ground and less on the bike parts ( rim brakes excepted ) while the sand and grit here in the desert can grind your drivtrain into submission in just 3 months, not to mention fork seals ect.


    As far as the ugliest comment; beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think it's bad ass and so do the neighborhood kids.


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    The man that brought disc brakes to MTB cant build a frame.
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    They should make a carbon fiber version of the San Andreas.!

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    Cool-blue Rhythm I don't get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    The man that brought disc brakes to MTB cant build a frame.
    Does anybody know what this stuff has to do with the San Andreas.

    I was watching a old video titled " Super Heros 3 " and there was a San An being railed through all kinds of terrain and gap jumped more than 30 ft. but according to Mountain Bike Rider the geometry is " all efffed up ". Hmmmmmm.

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    If anyone has any doughts, read the reviews!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    The man that brought disc brakes to MTB cant build a frame.
    I think he was also the first with monoquoque frames (is that how you spell it) and inverted forks. Alot of the things that Reisinger came up with are being touted today as revolutionary but they have been around for years. I have never owned a MC but the history behind them would lead me to believe that the article was pure BS......By the way, has anyone ever designed a frame that was as versatile.......I don't think so.

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    Uhh...none of these links actually works. Better watch it with the insults about intelligence.

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    I dig it, I always thought it looked cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooManyTacos
    Uhh...none of these links actually works. Better watch it with the insults about intelligence.
    The links seem to work fine and please don't tell me what to do!! I never said that anyone lacked or had greater intelligence if they were retarded, a moron or very special. You made that leap all on your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn
    The links seem to work fine and please don't tell me what to do!! I never said that anyone lacked or had greater intelligence if they were retarded, a moron or very special. You made that leap all on your own.
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    Yeah, after you fixed them, they work just fine. Come on, I'm not trying to tell you what to do or pick a fight with you. It just seems really childish to say "If you don't like our product, you're stoooooopid". How old are you? 8?

    FWIW, it doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks about the bike--it's a bike. But it makes you sound like a raving lunatic when you make whiny posts insulting other people's intelligence with a thousand exclamation points and juvenile insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericmopar
    There are many, expensive, 6 inch travel "all mountain" wonder bikes, that don't climb as easily and don't decend any better.
    Which ones?
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    Yes, I may have doubts about the Mountain Cycle considering the horrible warranty experience I had from them with a Moho Softail. As for the San Andreas, I have the 97-98 product catalog and there's a quote from Mountain Bike Action in March of '97:

    The San Andreas has "...the body of a jet fighter, the sould of a junkyard dog, the strength of a farm implement and the speed of a motocross bike..."

    So there you have it. You can fight one useless magazine's quote with another.

    @ Mountain Cycle Shawn:
    As for speaking to one's intelligence, it seems beneficial to correctly spell the word you're referencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TooManyTacos
    Last edited by Mountain Cycle Shawn : 1 Hour Ago at 03:45 PM.
    Yeah, after you fixed them, they work just fine. Come on, I'm not trying to tell you what to do or pick a fight with you. It just seems really childish to say "If you don't like our product, you're stoooooopid". How old are you? 8?

    FWIW, it doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks about the bike--it's a bike. But it makes you sound like a raving lunatic when you make whiny posts insulting other people's intelligence with a thousand exclamation points and juvenile insults.
    You might want to notice that I edited that post way after I replied to your post. When I edited you may also want to notice that I added something to the end of the post. My links worked when I posted them they work now and they also work in a post in the Mountain Cycle forum that I posted about a week ago. That is where I copied and pasted the links from.

    I think what happened was when you replied with the quote from my post, something some how got changed. Or maybe the web site was having a problem.

    Next, you quote me saying, "If you don't like our product, you're stoooooopid". Do you even know what quotation marks mean? I never said that so how can you quote me saying that? And you quote me saying, "our product". I don't own or work for the company so it's not my product. And again I never said, "our product". I just ride their bikes, all four of them that I own. And lastly, I have never posted anything, "insulting other people's intelligence". Notice the proper use of quotes here. I am quoting what you said, remember now, I never said that. It seems for some strange reason, you are putting a lot of words in my mouth.

    The post wasn't ment to be taken so seriously. And I think no one else took it that serious, because I didn't read any complaints from anyone else. You, for some reason, seem to be the only one complaining. I am sorry if i wasn't politically correct enough for you. Actually im not sorry for saying it. But if something I said hit a nerve in you, I am sorry for that. Here is what I really ment:

    A lot of people may not like this bike. Hey, even a whole magazine doesn't like it. But after reading all the reviews, it would be very hard for anyone to say that it is not a good bike. Or for the magazing to say that it is one of the worst bikes ever. Now notice here the lack of quotation marks in my last sentece about what the magazine said. That is because I can't remember exactly word for word what the magazine said and I don't want to put words in their mouths. Ok back to the subject. Even for myself there are a few bikes that I don't like, for that matter there is a whole company out there that I can't stand. But I do realize that these bikes that I don't like are good bikes and that this company that I don't like makes some good bikes. I just may not like them for other various other reasons.

    In the future I am asking that you please do not put words in my mouth. Notice how I politely asked and I didn't tell you how to do things. In case you forgot, by using quotations in a proper manner I will remind you how you told me: "Better watch it with the insults about intelligence". Again I am asking politely that you please don't tell me what to do. Because you would be just wasting your time. I would ask you to lighten up a little about my original post, but I think I would be wasting my time. So how about we just call it a truse? No feelings hurt on my part. I hope no feelings hurt on your part, because it was not my intention to do that.

    Have a nice night,
    Mountain Cycle Shawn

    P.S.- You may notice that I edited this post. I did so well after your last post. So believe me, there was nothing sinister in editing this post!! I just needed to add something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Student Driver
    @ Mountain Cycle Shawn:
    As for speaking to one's intelligence, it seems beneficial to correctly spell the word you're referencing.
    Sorry, most of the time I write, post, then go back and edit. It's an old habit from when I used to be on dial up. I would post before getting knocked off line and go back and edit.

    oopps, I did it again!

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    When I saw the san andreas and the foes Lts in a magazine I loved them, I have ever since. I am not debating wether they are ugly or not, you either like them or you dont. They seem to evoke a strong reaction either way..

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