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    Massive dual crown on a hardtail

    Has anyone seen a huge dual crown fork on a hardtail? Something like a Fox 40, or a Boxxer WC. Ofcourse this would be useless, but just interesting to see.
    and do you have pics?

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    go search pinkbike for evil imperial.
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    Google?

    For example


    Horrible, is not it?

    Or this..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Google?
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    LOL how much do those wheels weigh? Like 5 kg each??
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    Banshee Morphine
    Evil Imperial
    Soul Cycles Sluggo
    .243 frame (do not know its name)

    Lots of them out there just search on those bike names.

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    looks pretty trick to me...........
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    I don't understand - are these DJ?

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    Curmy, ive left things in toilets that look better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand/of/Midas
    Curmy, ive left things in toilets that look better than that.
    I just hope that not bigger then that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    I just hope that not bigger then that.
    i think ive beat 8" before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand/of/Midas
    i think ive beat 8" before.
    That's a Super Monster there. 300mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    That's a Super Monster there. 300mm.
    oh, thats why it makes the wheels look like 20".
    riduclious.

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    They look awesome. Singlespeed, Hardtail, DC fork, 3.0 tires and you have a really nice low maintenance hucking bike, great for 20+ foot cliff drops and massive stairgaps.

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    Wow I'm stunned that it doesn't look raked at all. The chainstays are still level with the ground and the headangle doesn't look too big either.

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    That thing will snap like a breadstick..........= )
    Look, whatever happens, don't fight the mountain.

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    I dunno Dekes, I think it's just sitting on a slope. Loot at the seat and top tube angles. It's like riding a permanent wheelie.

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    Evil Imperial...
    I saw a guy on these forums (or the FR/DH forums, can't remember) with such a thing:


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    So what's the advantage of a dual crown on a DH bike and why can't that advantage be an advantage for hardtails? I've never ridden a DH bike in a full on way nor have I ever ridden a hardtail with a DC fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omegamandb
    I don't understand - are these DJ?
    DH and FR, I'd say. A big fork would be too clumsy for DJ tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekes
    So what's the advantage of a dual crown on a DH bike and why can't that advantage be an advantage for hardtails? I've never ridden a DH bike in a full on way nor have I ever ridden a hardtail with a DC fork.
    DC = stiff.

    Matters on a DH bike when you want your wheel to point where you point it. Going from a DC equipped bike to a "normal" bike you'd be surprise how much flex there is, esp with a QR front axle, its almost scary lol. Probably applies more to heavier riders.

    People put them on HT for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekes
    So what's the advantage of a dual crown on a DH bike and why can't that advantage be an advantage for hardtails? I've never ridden a DH bike in a full on way nor have I ever ridden a hardtail with a DC fork.
    Dual crown advantage is rigidity and travel. The disadvantage is geometry and handling on a frame that isn't designed for 7 inches of travel. When the fork gives you a 48 degree head/seat angle, the ride suffers a bit.

    A 7 inch travel fork is honestly a waste with no travel in the rear to work with it. With that kind of rake, it won't even be effective on small bumps.Too much weight bias is resting on the staunchions, instead of the suspension itself, making the system bind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkleyfan
    The disadvantage is geometry and handling on a frame that isn't designed for 7 inches of travel. When the fork gives you a 48 degree head/seat angle, the ride suffers a bit.
    From what I understand it is easier to do shorter axle to crown distance on a DC fork with the same travel. Consider Fox 40 203mm - 571mm axle to crown, and say Lyric 160mm at 545mm. That is just 26mm difference, which will change your head angle by a little bit over a single degree. Not that big of a deal. Some aftermarket crowns can lower it even further.

    I have no idea where you get "that kind of rake" comments from. Plug the actual numbers. As far as too much weight, good DC forks are around 7 pounds nowadays, which is less of an actual difference from some sturdy (or cheap) single crowns then changing to some DH tires may give you.

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    A Lyric is a waste on most HT's, IMO. Not many HT frames will carry a warranty past 140mm. Many don't even go that high. It can be done, but that doesn't mean it should. I wouldn't even run your Wotan on most HT frames, and I happen to dig the Wotan. There are benefits to travel, but at some point, the drawbacks outweigh the gains for the average rider.

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    lyrik has a uturn option
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkleyfan
    A Lyric is a waste on most HT's, IMO. Not many HT frames will carry a warranty past 140mm. Many don't even go that high. It can be done, but that doesn't mean it should. I wouldn't even run your Wotan on most HT frames, and I happen to dig the Wotan. There are benefits to travel, but at some point, the drawbacks outweigh the gains for the average rider.
    I do agree with this point of view - I just wanted to make a point that it is not particular to dual crown forks. If anything a dual crown may fit the geometry better (Fox 40 with travel reduced to 160mm will be 10mm lower then Wotan, and just over a pound heavier). I have no idea why anyone would use it like that though...

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    Rock Shox used to make a DC Sid. I think it was 100mm. A friend had one on his XC bike about 9 years ago. I thought ti was an interesting idea, a Sid that was not a noodle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    Rock Shox used to make a DC Sid. I think it was 100mm. A friend had one on his XC bike about 9 years ago. I thought ti was an interesting idea, a Sid that was not a noodle.
    That fork looked amazing, it was probably aimed at people who wanted a lightish, rather stiff, long travel (100mm was long travel back then) air suspension fork for riding longer trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkleyfan
    Not many HT frames will carry a warranty past 140mm.
    But some do.
    There's a plenty of FS bikes too that should have 100mm forks max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    But some do.
    There's a plenty of FS bikes too that should have 100mm forks max.
    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    Rock Shox used to make a DC Sid. I think it was 100mm. A friend had one on his XC bike about 9 years ago. I thought ti was an interesting idea, a Sid that was not a noodle.
    I had a 80 or 100mm Votec DC on my Porsche, I think it was like 11-12 years ago.
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    these remind me of when i put suspension and a 26" wheel on my bmx......
    fun but sooo painfull to ride

    excuse the shopping trolley handlebars lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekes
    Wow I'm stunned that it doesn't look raked at all. The chainstays are still level with the ground and the headangle doesn't look too big either.

    Ahhh, brings back memories. I had a rider come in at the shop with a Cannondale CAD5 hardtail with a 8" Monster T on it. I thought he was was just fooling around and using it as a commuter - nope - that was his new DH rig.

    He rode that thing for a whole year without shearing off the HT - boy I wish I took a photo of it - priceless!

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    yeah...
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    funny thread..... when I turn up the travel to 130mm on my recon my rockhopper feels fine (as long as I'm not trying to climb a hill) but I usually leave it at 100mm
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    Those tires are huge, what are they? The biggest I've ever seen is the Kenda Nevengal 2.55.

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    I ride a woodman with a shiver DC and doublewides with nokian 3" tires.

    rides like a dream downhill, better for hucking than lots of speed, you have to ride differently than you do with a FS, but it will do anything you throw at it, I have done 8' drops and 12' road gaps with no issues.



    I am selling it and getting a AM rig, because my work and school schedule doesn't let me go shuttling any more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    LOL what the hell is that??
    ridin in bmore

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    just the other day i saw an evil imperial with a marzochi shiver up front. I think it would be a fun setup for smoother downhill trails with a ton of berms but how many courses are really that smooth? not too mant around here but then again i am from the east coast
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    Quote Originally Posted by d_m_b
    LOL what the hell is that??
    Looks like a BMX bike with a big MTB fork. I cannot imagine wanting one of those

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    if I remember correctly, the Knolly Free Radical is designed around a dual crown fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Looks like a BMX bike with a big MTB fork. I cannot imagine wanting one of those
    probably manuals like a dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyp Dawg
    if I remember correctly, the Knolly Free Radical is designed around a dual crown fork.
    that bike is a phantom.
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restoman
    Those tires are huge, what are they? The biggest I've ever seen is the Kenda Nevengal 2.55.

    I believe those are the Surly Endomorph 3.7

    http://www.surlybikes.com/parts.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyp Dawg
    if I remember correctly, the Knolly Free Radical is designed around a dual crown fork.

    The PROTOTYPE was designed around a 6-8" fork.

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    here's mine, i haven't yet tried going up a big mountain trail but on a small hill i did just fine thank you...........anyway isn't enjoyment the reason why we ride mountain bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuj
    here's mine, i haven't yet tried going up a big mountain trail but on a small hill i did just fine thank you...........anyway isn't enjoyment the reason why we ride mountain bikes

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