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    looking for an agressive hardtail.

    Im pretty much set on getting a hardtail for next summer. ill probably wait till late winter or spring to get one. but i figure i should start looking now.

    my style of riding is pretty "freestyle" oriented, i like popping off everything, and definitely want a bike more aimed at descending and jumping rather than for xc and uphill riding. though i dont want it to be a slouch, im looking at a hardtail because i want something i can ride around the trails near me, where my full suspension bike is pretty sluggish. also just because i really like the feeling of riding a hardtail.

    i dont want to look at DJ bikes, ive spent some time on DJ bikes, and dont like the feeling on trails. ive always felt like im riding on top of the bike, even on bigger sizes.

    I also want something i can take to the resorts and hit some of the smoother less technical DH trails and jumps.

    Im looking at the transition trans-am and ragley troof, they both seem like they fit my style pretty well, and i like that they take pretty long travel forks. i just want to see what else might be out there.
    and just a thought.. are there any aggressive 29ers that might fit what im looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    are there any aggressive 29ers that might fit what im looking for?
    Canfield Bros Yelli Screamy
    Banshee Paradox


    I have a Yelli with Flows & a 140mm Marz Bomber. Super fun bike.Goes up or down very well. Never heard a bad word about the Paradox either
    No moss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Canfield Bros Yelli Screamy
    Banshee Paradox


    I have a Yelli with Flows & a 140mm Marz Bomber. Super fun bike.Goes up or down very well. Never heard a bad word about the Paradox either
    wow the yelli screamy looks amazing! still dont know if id wanna go with 29, but that seems like a ton of fun. do u have much experience with resort riding, downhill trails, jumps, more agressive riding etc??

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    I <3 my On-One 456 Summer Season.

    Slllllaaaaaccckkk steel rig, but I've had no problems with climbing
    (She's about 33 lbs, 150mm fork, 1x9 w/ a 34t up front)

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    I've got the On-One 456 Carbon. Awesome. Slack, low, light, fast, strong. Leave my Intense tracer in the shed unless the track is super gnarly. Don't recommend it if you don't like longish bikes though - it's no manual-monster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    wow the yelli screamy looks amazing! still dont know if id wanna go with 29, but that seems like a ton of fun. do u have much experience with resort riding, downhill trails, jumps, more agressive riding etc??

    No. Mostly buff single track around here but Ive done some pretty rocky tech stuff and it handled it fine. There's a few rooty washed out downhills nearby. I can usually just let the bike go with just a little feathering on the brakes. It really is a fun bike. handles great!

    Ive seen some videos of people doing North Shore riding, etc but couldnt tell you where they are. Then there's this...

    <iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/upM6JhS_TPc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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    Chromag Stylus

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    A TransAM with an adjustable fork should do you well. Based on what you're saying, I don't think you want something super-slack or too long travel, more a properly sized bike that handles like a dirt jumper.

    Gary Fisher used to (or still does? not sure) make the Biggun' series, which was somewhere between a trail bike and a DJ bike with shorter chainstays. Something like that with a 100 - 130mm fork on the front can be a lot of fun.

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    loving my bagger on the shore. great aggressive geometry; toss on a 160mm fork and ride anything. should be at the top of your list for sure.

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    Add the Transition TranAm 29'er to the list also... coming in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbaSS View Post
    Add the Transition TranAm 29'er to the list also... coming in 2012.
    hmmm sounds like that could be really cool. do you have any more info or know where i can get more info?
    im still pretty skeptical about 29ers, they have always seemed like the kind of bikes i would hate to ride. all about serious xc pedaling, not about fun. but now with bikes like the paradox, yelle screamy, transitions new bandit 29er, etc.. they seem to be going towards my style of riding.

    i was looking at the chromag stylus too, havent heard a lot about it though.

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    Another vote for On-One 456. A few frame materials to choose from too.

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    Another vote for the Chromag Stylus here! Love mine, just got it this season.

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    I have had a Santa Cruz Chameleon for a few years and have been happy with it. It has an early version of the Fox 32 TALAS. It takes a lot of abuse on my local trails. I haven't taken it to the bike park, although I've been wanting to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmon2 View Post
    I have had a Santa Cruz Chameleon for a few years and have been happy with it. It has an early version of the Fox 32 TALAS. It takes a lot of abuse on my local trails. I haven't taken it to the bike park, although I've been wanting to.
    +1 on the Chameleon.

    I have a friend who owns a Santa Cruz Chameleon as well, also with a Fox 32 TALAS, a short stem and 2.35 tires. He uses it for Urban, DJs and VERY aggressive trail riding, taking the difficult lines and jumping/hucking/DHing anything on the trail. He prefers this to his DJ bike because he feels more connected cockpit-wise and he's a lot faster on the trail.

    The frame can take forks up to 160mm, 203mm rotors, and 2.7" tires (though a little on the overkill side, hehe). It's a freaking versatile bike.
    Better than he was before. Better. . . Stronger. . . Faster. (but not smarter)

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    Im not really a fan of Kona anymore but the 5-0 is a great hardtail for trail and downhill. (or is it five-0?)
    Slack enough angles for DH and stable in the air. Get a 150-180mm fork on it and your laughin.
    Can find em at a good price too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    hmmm sounds like that could be really cool. do you have any more info or know where i can get more info?
    No info available yet other than confirmation that TransAm 29er is coming and more info to come at Interbike.

    Kona also has a cool new 29er AM Hardtail...

    KONAWORLD

    Nice short chainstays.

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    I know someone already said it, but the Chromag Stylus is one hell of an awesome bike. The geometry is so friggin' snappy. I'm in love with mine.

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    Evil Sovereign

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    Are these the types of bikes you can take off of decent sized drops, even though they're hardtails? As much as i would love a bike like that, I don't know that that's possible?

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    Look at the Mountain Cycle Rumble. The size small (15") frame is available on eBay now for 300$ from crosslakesales. I can't post links yet, sorry.

    I've had a Rumble for a couple years now and I love it. It's set up as an All-mountain rig with a Pike 454 up front, 2.4" Panaracer Fire FR tire up front and a 2.25 out back, 1x9 SRAM with a Blackspire chainguide. It's a great go anywhere ride. The cool thing is that the entire dropouts are replaceable. The cooler thing is that Mountain Cycle sells 29" dropouts (albeit for a steep 80$ a pair) that will bolt right up in about 3 minutes to replace the stock 26" dropouts.

    Unfortunately, it seems you're pretty much SOL at this point unless you ride a small. No more Rumble for 2012.

    Good luck with your search.

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    Stumpjumper hardtail

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    Transition TransAM, Evil Sovereign, or Canfield Yelli Screamy gets my vote!
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    Quote Originally Posted by utasidian View Post
    I know someone already said it, but the Chromag Stylus is one hell of an awesome bike. The geometry is so friggin' snappy. I'm in love with mine.
    care to tell a little more about it? what type of stuff do u ride? anything you dont like? does it seem like it would be a good jumper?

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    I'd recommend a Cotic BFe. Sounds ideal for what you want. Nice short chainstays, longish, low slung top tube. Not to slack, not to steep. Similar to a Chromag but much cheaper.

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    Good point, I got my Stylus frame used for a great deal, I forget how incredibly expensive they can be. Really there seem to be a lot of frame choices for a slack angled, short chainstayed, low top tubed, sturdy built steel hardtail out there designed around a 150-160 fork. If at all possible I would try to ride a couple and see what feels good. Personally I would recommend 26" steel with an adjustable travel fork.

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    Trek 4300 is a hardtail mountain bike that lets you be stable whether you are riding on the nearest single-tracks, or challenge on a climb, or just ride around town through increased pedaling efficiency and speed capabilities during steep climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hefeweizan View Post
    Stumpjumper hardtail


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Leo View Post
    Trek 4300 is a hardtail mountain bike that lets you be stable whether you are riding on the nearest single-tracks, or challenge on a climb, or just ride around town through increased pedaling efficiency and speed capabilities during steep climbs.
    Please see above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by striped monkey View Post
    I got my Stylus frame used for a great deal,
    What? Someone sold a Stylus?

    Maybe the guy bought the wrong size, doesn't like HTs after all, or is a Weigh Weenie

    I built mine Strange, so people don't like to see it in the AM forum. Handles great anyway.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    On One has some crazy bargains. Those 456 frameset and XT drivetrain bundles are a screaming deal. Almost like buying the drivetrain and getting the frame for free. Too bad shipping from the UK is around $100 though. Personally, I've been reading everything I can find on the 456 Carbon lately. A lot of the builds are coming out around 25 lbs!
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    another vote for the SC Chameleon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
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    Had one loved it- price was the only down, but so worth it. I have a full squishy again but when I can I afford it I will build another up for sure.

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    the Product of COTIC cycles : BFe, very very tough steel hardtail

    Loved my first one. Some scrote nicked it, bought a Piglet, snapped it and bought another Beefy... Brilliant bike, quite possibly the best HT I've had.

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    Got an On One Carbon 456 with Revs and an Alfine rear hub. Loving it so far and comes in at 25lbs. On One have an offer on for the 456 Carbon with Revs for 599

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf View Post
    Had one loved it- price was the only down, but so worth it. I have a full squishy again but when I can I afford it I will build another up for sure.
    yeah price isnt a huge concern, ill gladly spend a couple hundred extra to make sure i get the best possible frame, as i plan on keeping it for a loooong time.

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    Kona Honzo components arent spectacular but for 1800 complete its not a bad deal

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    The thing about the stylus is that it excels in so many different situations. I ride that bike everywhere, it is the only bike I own. It friggin' rocks on flowy fast jump trails with berms and gaps. It feels snappy and seems to pop off of every little thing. The top tube length is long enough that I'm comfortable riding on any long xc epic ride between here and oregon. The important thing here in revelstoke is a bike that can handle the steep techy root an rock trails, complete with drops to immediate switchbacks. The stylus eats these trails for breakfast, 'cuz, afterall it was designed for the northshore. But, like I mentioned earlier, drop the seat and get your flow on when your done the tech.

    I've spent plenty of time on hardtails, AL and Fe, and to me the steel frames just give back enough to make the additional weight worth it. I've got the stylus built up with a Fox Talas 36 and a beefy enough wheel set that I know no matter what trail I ride my body is more likely to break than the bike. I was luck enough to score a good deal on the stylus of Chain Reaction a few years back. I needed it cuz man those bikes cost a lot. If I hadn't of bought the stylus I probably would have gottten a Cotic BFe, Ragley, or NS Surge. Sure am glad I got the chromag though.

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    Have been running a Chameleon for 4 months, and would recommend it. Good value for the price, and it works as advertised. Only problems are that the paint scratches and chips very easily, and tire clearance sucks. I have Specialized 2.3s on mine - they barely fit.

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    Another vote for a Chameleon, 160 15mm fox, 1x9 with an EBB for when I wanna go single!

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    Quote Originally Posted by striped monkey View Post
    Good point, I got my Stylus frame used for a great deal, I forget how incredibly expensive they can be. Really there seem to be a lot of frame choices for a slack angled, short chainstayed, low top tubed, sturdy built steel hardtail out there designed around a 150-160 fork. If at all possible I would try to ride a couple and see what feels good. Personally I would recommend 26" steel with an adjustable travel fork.
    The Stylus is not incredibly expensive, they run about 350 to 400 used 600 new.

    The handmades like the Samurai are very expensive like around 1300 for a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    yeah price isnt a huge concern, ill gladly spend a couple hundred extra to make sure i get the best possible frame, as i plan on keeping it for a loooong time.
    Agreed, the Evil is a tough frame and IMO worth it. I rode it with Manitou Nixons, weigh 235lbs and its versatile enough to be an adequate cross country rig BUT loves the descents I was always surprised how well it would descend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmon2 View Post
    I have had a Santa Cruz Chameleon for a few years and have been happy with it. It has an early version of the Fox 32 TALAS. It takes a lot of abuse on my local trails. I haven't taken it to the bike park, although I've been wanting to.
    +1

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    I'm liking my On-One 456 Summer Season frame (with older fox talas fork 85mm-125mm) so far. Climbs fine, and feels very confidence-inspiring going downhill.

    I was looking for a replacement frame when I broke my old Weyless XP and On-One's steel frame fit the bill. Should be strong enough for my 250+ lb weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratty2k View Post
    the Product of COTIC cycles : BFe, very very tough steel hardtail

    Loved my first one. Some scrote nicked it, bought a Piglet, snapped it and bought another Beefy... Brilliant bike, quite possibly the best HT I've had.
    Pic Ratty, PICS!!!

    Show us some Beef man!

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    I hadn't really seen chromag's stuff before... that stylus does look sick! anywhere to get them online aside from chainreaction?

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    mhm!

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    Hi there,
    I am seriously interested in Banshee Paradox, BUT its made from aluminium and I definitely want something steelish. Is there any possibility? 29er steel allmountain hardtail with ICGS?
    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd4e1 View Post
    Hi there,
    I am seriously interested in Banshee Paradox, BUT its made from aluminium and I definitely want something steelish. Is there any possibility? 29er steel allmountain hardtail with ICGS?
    Thx
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    Probably the Transition TransAm when it's available

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    yeah price isnt a huge concern, ill gladly spend a couple hundred extra to make sure i get the best possible frame, as i plan on keeping it for a loooong time.
    I'll play devils advocate then.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/...ke-600890.html

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    well so far i think im pretty set on either a stylus, trans-am, or sovereign. the more i think about it the less i want to try a 29. unless for some reason the 29er trans-am is amazing.

    i havent heard a lot about the trans-am other than from people who use it as a more xc bike. the stylus and sovereign both seem like safe bets for something more freeride oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick2cents View Post
    I hadn't really seen chromag's stuff before... that stylus does look sick! anywhere to get them online aside from chainreaction?
    They have dealers all over the world. I'm sure many will ship. No clue who has what in stock.

    Their new Aperture looks pretty good if the Stylus is overkill.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    What about the Commencal Ramones ?! I was talking with a guy at a local Commencal dealer and he was telling me is doing agreesive FR with such a bike. Not sure if is available in US

    later edit: i missed the 29er part
    Last edited by BEEB; 08-26-2011 at 11:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd4e1 View Post
    Hi there,
    I am seriously interested in Banshee Paradox, BUT its made from aluminium and I definitely want something steelish. Is there any possibility? 29er steel allmountain hardtail with ICGS?
    Thx
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    check on the on-one website...i think they were coming out with a steel 29er with the icgs

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    They have dealers all over the world. I'm sure many will ship. No clue who has what in stock.

    Their new Aperture looks pretty good if the Stylus is overkill.
    Yeah I guess I'll have to do some calling around. I saw the had retailers, but not near nc. I think that may be my next bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    They have dealers all over the world. I'm sure many will ship. No clue who has what in stock.

    Their new Aperture looks pretty good if the Stylus is overkill.
    Just to add to this, send them an email they will work it out.

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    Another vote for On-One 456 w/ Rev @150mm and Gravity Dropper. I have mine at 23.3 lbs and its no carbon.

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    There seems to be a lot of recommendations for the On-One 456, in its various incarnations, but no recommendations for the Ragley Blue Pig. I bought one and love it, to the point where I stop riding my ful-sus unless it is a super gnarly trail or for all day endeavors as nothing beats the cush provided by a full suspension bike.

    On the Blue Pig, I love the slack head angle and the fact that it still climbs really well thanks to the steep seat tube angle.
    A climb is really just a flat piece of road that points up. A headwind is a climb that you can't see. So it's all flat road, really.

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    I'll put in a vote for the Yelli. It's versatile and capable . I've had mine for 4 months and have ignored the rest of my stable. However, Ian just emailed me from Chromag with pics of the new Surface which will be out in a couple of months. It looks very promising but the first production run will only be 100 units so think fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoats View Post
    I'll put in a vote for the Yelli. It's versatile and capable . I've had mine for 4 months and have ignored the rest of my stable. However, Ian just emailed me from Chromag with pics of the new Surface which will be out in a couple of months. It looks very promising but the first production run will only be 100 units so think fast.

    what will the surface be like? is it a 26 or 29?

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    The Surface is a cromo 29er. It has 16.9" stays with a 68 degree ht and a 74 degree st. It has a 12.75 bb height and it will allow a 2.4 tire. Frame weight is around 5.25 lbs and ready for a 120-140mm fork. I'll try to post some pictures later on...it's pretty sweet.
    Last edited by stoats; 08-26-2011 at 10:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    what will the surface be like? is it a 26 or 29?
    Chromag 29er

    If Chromag were still manufacturing the TRL, my other old HT, i'd rank it right up there along with the Evil Sovereign. Ian @ Chromag is super helpful and always goes the extra mile. Drop him a line if you have questions.

    One other thing I failed to mention earlier as far as customer service goes, EVIL (although I love their Sov) can be fairly difficult to reach at times. It wasn't too hard after my Sov purchase from Fanatik bikes though as their shop is located just up the street from the EVIL headquarters. I'd prefer the direct approach however instead of using an intermediary.

    Good luck with whatever you chose. You're doing your homework so I'm sure it will an informed purchase either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Ian @ Chromag is super helpful and always goes the extra mile. Drop him a line if you have questions.
    Absolutely,

    When building up my Strange Stylus (rigid singlespeed ), I mailed him for an opinion on fork length. I got a response very quickly and, acknowledging that he has no experience with rigid forks, he agreed with my guesstimate. Turns out we were both right

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    Did someone seriously mention a Trek 4300 for an AM ht??????? Back to the original subject.....
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    Check out this thread;
    I am On-TWO now

    I have a 456 Summer Season and a regular 456. The Summer Season currently looks like the pic below. I have been absolutley blown away by this bicycle! If I was forced to get rid of all but one bike, this would be my keeper, without hesitation. I may change the build slightly, but this is THE bike for me. I havent ridden my dual suspension bikes in 2011, theyve been hanging. I have also spent more time the Summer Season than any bike I have owned. Typically I would pick from my quiver and mix it up from ride to ride. This year I have been riding mostly these two and riding the Summer Season the most. Last weekend I rode the Summer Season at Diablo for the day. I raced it in the GES race at Windham during the WC event. I went to the Pro-GRT #3 race at Plattekill and rode that course. I have ridden it at White Clay Creek with my wife, White Clay Creek is a very smooth, rolly XC trail centre in Delaware, very very different than other places it has been . Seriously consider the Summer Season. The regular 456 is excellent too, had a great ride on it this morning, bent the saddle and seatpost.

    Good luck on your decision. Post the pics of your bike when built
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankenwabbit View Post
    check on the on-one website...i think they were coming out with a steel 29er with the icgs
    Where did you see this I know they have the Inbred 29er but that is just an XC bike I'd love it if they came out with an AM steel hartail 29er

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay View Post
    Another vote for On-One 456 w/ Rev @150mm and Gravity Dropper. I have mine at 23.3 lbs and its no carbon.
    Please post a pic and your spec - that's ridiculously light! (mine's 25lbs and IS carbon)

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    I'm more xc/trail rider and also quite light so I was able to get away with XC/lightweight parts but I do ride it anywhere. My fav trails are Skeggs Point & Demonstration Forest in Soquel, Ca. I also end up selling my fully because I enjoy this bike so much! I do want to get a blue pig or summer season for more slacker HA but we'll see.



    * list above is not the most current but you get the picture. Currently, I had upgraded my pedals to ti spindle, kcnc pulleys, GD seatpost, raceking 2.2 rear, 10 spd kmc chain, kcnc ti skewers & removed the chain guide.





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    Have you checked out the Stevens MTB Scope team with carbon frame for 2011?
    The Scope heralds a new era of lightweight hard-tails. Its climbing capabilities are unrivaled. Great for racing: the Scope SL features a double-chainring drivetrain, which reduces the time spent shifting significantly.
    8.4 kg-noble hardtail with great handling

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    The mother of all Chromag pics thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay View Post
    I'm more xc/trail rider and also quite light so I was able to get away with XC/lightweight parts but I do ride it anywhere. My fav trails are Skeggs Point & Demonstration Forest in Soquel, Ca. I also end up selling my fully because I enjoy this bike so much! I do want to get a blue pig or summer season for more slacker HA but we'll see.



    * list above is not the most current but you get the picture. Currently, I had upgraded my pedals to ti spindle, kcnc pulleys, GD seatpost, raceking 2.2 rear, 10 spd kmc chain, kcnc ti skewers & removed the chain guide.





    More here.
    Awesome build man. You've also given me some good ideas on where and how to shed some weight on my 456 carbon (which weighs 11.6kgs). Problem is that I am 80kgs and ride pretty aggressively and know from wallet crunching experience that going too light will end up costing me in the durability department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbblackdiamond View Post
    There seems to be a lot of recommendations for the On-One 456, in its various incarnations, but no recommendations for the Ragley Blue Pig. I bought one and love it, to the point where I stop riding my ful-sus unless it is a super gnarly trail or for all day endeavors as nothing beats the cush provided by a full suspension bike.

    On the Blue Pig, I love the slack head angle and the fact that it still climbs really well thanks to the steep seat tube angle.
    id like to hear some about the blue pig as well as their other bikes, they seem to make some legit bikes but i havent heard a whole lot.

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    h t t p :// w w w.p i n k b i k e . c o m /photo/7019386/
    Something like this?

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    [/QUOTE]I have a 456 Summer Season and a regular 456. The Summer Season currently looks like the pic below. I have been absolutley blown away by this bicycle! If I was forced to get rid of all but one bike, this would be my keeper, without hesitation. I may change the build slightly, but this is THE bike for me. I havent ridden my dual suspension bikes in 2011, theyve been hanging. I have also spent more time the Summer Season than any bike I have owned. Typically I would pick from my quiver and mix it up from ride to ride. This year I have been riding mostly these two and riding the Summer Season the most. Last weekend I rode the Summer Season at Diablo for the day. I raced it in the GES race at Windham during the WC event. I went to the Pro-GRT #3 race at Plattekill and rode that course. I have ridden it at White Clay Creek with my wife, White Clay Creek is a very smooth, rolly XC trail centre in Delaware, very very different than other places it has been . Seriously consider the Summer Season. The regular 456 is excellent too, had a great ride on it this morning, bent the saddle and seatpost.

    Good luck on your decision. Post the pics of your bike when built[/QUOTE]

    very nice your SS and interesting experience. I am in the same situation in central Spain. I wonder if selling my Spec enduro as it is dust coverd since I have tried my 456 carbon in very hard downhill sections. Awesome bike!
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    Can anyone point to a slack HT frame that can take 150mm fork with a tapered steerer tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Can anyone point to a slack HT frame that can take 150mm fork with a tapered steerer tube?

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    there is no such thing as an "aggressive hardtail." Bicycles are inanimate objects, riders are aggressive. If you are not an aggressive rider, no amount of bicycle will make you an aggressive rider. You just need to nut up.

    And riding hardtails is for punters who want to seem cool about how they can almost keep up with the guys on FS, despite having a handicap. Why would you want to have a handicap? Well, that, and a few poor people who can't afford a nice full suspension bike, but love hucking the sh1t out of whatever they find. I think there is one of them on the boards here, although I can't remember his name.

    But most of you are punters.

    Actually, before anybody gets upset, I'm just jealous because my ankles can't stand up to hardtails, and they get dominated every time the trail gets fast. I fuggin love hardtails, and wish I could ride them without my ankles exploding. I wonder how many people will get pissed off and respond before they read this paragraph

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    i just got a 2011 carrera vengeance! beauty

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    Quote Originally Posted by njl1992 View Post
    i just got a 2011 carrera vengeance! beauty
    Is not it an entry level XC bike of the department store type?

    Nothing wrong with that, but that does not fit the topic of the thread..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Is not it an entry level XC bike of the department store type?

    Nothing wrong with that, but that does not fit the topic of the thread..
    Sorry Axe

    New to the forum! so was just unsure where to post what bike i have

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    well so far i think im pretty set on either a stylus, trans-am, or sovereign. the more i think about it the less i want to try a 29. unless for some reason the 29er trans-am is amazing.

    i havent heard a lot about the trans-am other than from people who use it as a more xc bike. the stylus and sovereign both seem like safe bets for something more freeride oriented.
    evil sovereign has everything going for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJT21 View Post
    I'd recommend a Cotic BFe. Sounds ideal for what you want. Nice short chainstays, longish, low slung top tube. Not to slack, not to steep. Similar to a Chromag but much cheaper.
    +1 for the BFe. I have one from a few years ago with full 853 (newer ones are 853 front triangle, but prices have come down a bit as well). I run it with a 160mm fork and love it.

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    Im back to seriously considering 29ers again... I really want to have a bike i can be fast on. be able to haul on flatter terrain and not have to rely on gravity. and it seems like the more aggressive 29ers can allow that speed yet still be playful for jumping around.

    for 26in bikes its between the chromag stylus, bagger and soverign. and for 29ers its between the trans am 29er and the yelli screamy. havent heard too much about the transition yet, but being a transition, im thinking its a safe bet to assume its fun.

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