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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! ♦ Liteville 601 & Syntace Bike - German Porn & Review ♦











    After many years spent on Knolly bikes [Endophin and Chilcotin] I decided to try something new. Why would I choose Liteville and Syntace? After a visit in the Syntace headquarters, experiencing the quality and seeing the incredible passion of every guy at Syntace, I fell in love with this company and their products. The owner and founder of Syntace, Jo Klieber, is a true visionary and inventor who like a mad scientist roams between CNC machines, 3D printers and self-designed testing machines with a calliper in hand working on one of his revolutionary ideas, and there are many of them in his head, e.g. latest Procore System.

    I have had the great experience with Syntace products before, i.e. Synatace W35 MX wheels [my review in Polish here] which are simply awesome and prove that the German engineering is "über alles" indeed! No wonder SRAM leaves their R&D work to German engineers [see here].

    So, the bike is quite unorthodox. Against to all the hype and fashion 26" is not dead! Hence, I chose a good old 26" which are driven by old-fashioned 2x9 system. Nevertheless, there are some benefits of 21st century inventions that made a buzz in the mtb world, e.g. adjustable seatpost [Yep Uptimizer], fork cartridge from Avalanche, rear derailleur with the clutch [10-speed Shimano Saint RD-M820 paired with 9-speed SRAM X.0 shifters - yes it works!]. The rest of the components are rather standard parts because the intention was to build as versatile and reliable bike as possible.

    In this thread I will be trying to include some useful information about the bike and its components in a long-term-test manner.
    Hopefully, I will be able to answer some questions as well.

    All Liteville owners, please feel free to share your impressions and opinions about your 601.
    Thanks!



    Bike Specification:

    Frame: Liteville 601 Mk3 [L, Custom Anodizing @ tf-bikes.at]
    Fork: Marzocchi 55 RC3 Evo V2 Ti + Avalanche Cartridge
    Shock: Rock Shox Vivid Air R2C

    Handlebar: Syntace Vector Carbon High35 [780mm x 31.8 x 35mm x 8° x 5° x 265g]
    Stem: Syntace Megaforce2 [40mm x 6° x 111g]
    Grips: Syntace Screw-on Gripz Moto [137mm x Ø33mm x 152g]
    Headset: Syntace VarioSpin

    Saddle: Chromag Trailmaster
    Seatpost: Yep Uptimizer HC 155
    Seat Clamp: Syntace SuperLock2

    Crankset: Race Face Atlas [Raw, 170mm]
    Bottom Bracket: Race Face X-Type Team DH [73mm]
    Chain Rings: Blackspire Super Pro [22/32]
    Rockring: Gusset Saw Ring [94BCD, 4-Arm, Max 32]
    Chain: KMC X9 SL Ti Gold
    Pedals: Syntace NumberNine Titan [Medium] / Shimano XT PD-M785

    Chainguide: SCS II [Syntace Chainguide System]
    Rear Deraileur: Shimano Saint RD-M820 + OneUp RAD Cage + KCNC
    Front Deraileur: Shimano XT FD-M770
    Shifters: SRAM X0 9sp
    Casstette: SRAM PG-990 11-34 9sp

    Front Wheel: Syntace W35 MX [26" x 32H x 20mm x 805g]
    Rim: Syntace W35 [26" x 32H x 500g]
    Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
    Hub: Syntace HiTorque MX Front20 [150g]
    Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 Super Gravity, TrailStar
    Tube: Ritchey Lightweight

    Rear Wheel: Syntace W35 MX [26" x 32H x 12x142mm x 875g]
    Rim: Syntace W35 [26" x 32H x 500g]
    Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
    Hub: Syntace HiTorque MX Rear12 [245g]
    Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 Super Gravity, PaceStar
    Tube: Ritchey Lightweight

    Brakes Levers: Shimano XTR Race [BL-M985]
    Brake Calipers: Shimano Saint [BR-M820]‏
    Brake Hose: Goodridge #107
    Rotors: UberBike Floating Gold/Black [203mm / 180mm]
    Adapters: UberBike Front PM 203 / Liteville Rear PM 180


    Other parts:
    Syntace X-Fix
    Syntace RockGuard SL
    Syntace Post Shim Light


    Tools:
    Syntace Torque Tool 1-25 Nm
    Syntace Speedcutter 1.5
    Syntace Microshock
    Syntace 5mm Key
    Syntace Bond 48 High Strength
    Syntace Bond 48 Medium Strength





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    ♦ Liteville 601 Frame Porn ♦

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    ♦ Bike Parts Porn ♦

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    Syntace W35 MX Wheels



















    Syntace Vector Carbon High35

    [780mm x 31.8 x 35mm x 8° x 5° x 265g]












    Syntace Screw-on Gripz Moto

    [137mm x Ø33mm x 152g]












    SCS II
    [Syntace Chainguide System]
















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    Shimano Saint RD-M820
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    OneUp RAD Cage
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    Shimano Medium Inner Plate
    [Y5XC09100]
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    KCNC Jockey Wheels 12T


    10-speed Shimano Saint RD-M820 paired with 9-speed SRAM X.0 shifters - yes it works!


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    Nice!
    I like porn, German porn too.

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    Gorgeous. Interested in hearing your impressions.

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    I have been eying this exact frame. Keep us posted!!!

    You are not in the US are you? This frame is tough to find in the states.

    Those pedals look super nice also, gotta love German engineering! Curious what your total weight of the build will be?

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    Sweet! Getting ready to place an order for a pair of W35 rims, handlebar and stem. The Alu handlebar is only 300g @ 780mm wide. I too like German porn.
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    Beautiful Bert. Great images as usual.

    Did you not want to clown bicycle it and run a 650b front and 26" rear? I did that on my Chilcotin and loved it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoManerz View Post
    I have been eying this exact frame. Keep us posted!!!

    You are not in the US are you? This frame is tough to find in the states.

    Those pedals look super nice also, gotta love German engineering! Curious what your total weight of the build will be?
    I'm from Poland but there are quite few Liteville/Syntace dealers in the US, see here:
    Liteville Dealers - Radsport USA

    I did not have a chance to weigh the bike but I will post the weight soon.




    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Beautiful Bert. Great images as usual.

    Did you not want to clown bicycle it and run a 650b front and 26" rear? I did that on my Chilcotin and loved it...
    Long story short, I bought the wrong fork and did not want to get rid of it. Maybe I will try that "clown bike" upgrade next season. Nevertheless, I was test riding 27,5/26" Liteville 601 bike in the Alps and it was awesome on the rocks.
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    I also have been looking at the 601. I look forward to your review/comparison to the chilcotin.

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    ♦ Liteville 601 & Syntace Bike - German Porn & Review ♦

    9speed sram shifter pulling a 10speed shimano deraluir got my attention. I'm going to have to try this!
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    My friend has a 301 and loves it, quality looks top notch.
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    for my riding, the 301 should be better. thank you for the quality pictures. What i like about syntace and liteville is that they look at the MTB and its components as a system, rather than individual components that you can just mix and match, they are one of the few companies [in my opinion] who embody this - and it shows in their amazing attention to detail.

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    the chainguide is genious
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    the chainguide is genious
    Yes, and it's totally noiseless!
    Looks very simple and reliable, no problem with backpedaling as well.

    SCS II
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    the 601 is the one compatible with dual crowns, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizon View Post
    the 601 is the one compatible with dual crowns, no?
    Yes, Liteville 601 is dual-crown fork compatible and Mk3 models have additional gussets and built in bumpers for better dent resistance, see photo below.

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    I guess u haven't had a chance to test it out with a set of dual crowns slapped in there

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    I sold my last dual-crown fork 10 years ago and I have never looked back since then.
    It's too much for what/where I ride now.
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    I'm in love, this is probably the most German bike ever.

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    Frame and Wheels review

    OK, so I have couple of rides on the bike now and I can tell you it rides awesome. The frame feels plenty stiff and the 2890g [6.3lb] w/o shock is pretty impressive as for the aluminum frame with 190mm of travel. Maybe the bike is not as nimble as Chilcotin [the chainstay is 11mm longer: 440 vs 429] but with longer travel [190mm] it is true shredding machine. The Horst-link suspension is very plush and sensitive thanks to the ball bearings all over [no bushings friction as in Chilcotin]. After years spent on CCDB Coil I was afraid of an air shock at first but I have to admit the new Vivid R2C air does a really good job. The suspension is impressively bottomless, with a smooth progression from a supple beginning stroke, a non-wallowing middle, to a not-harsh end stroke. The only disadvantage seems to be lack of some sort of climb switch. Nevertheless, the bike pedals amazingly well for something with this much travel and a downhill-specific shock and the suspension does not wallow too much when going up. Another thing I like about the bike is the total silence when bombing down the hill. An integrated chainguide [SCS II] beautifully fit to the front of the drive-side chainstay, rear derailleur with clutch and thick padding on the chainstay and front derailleur [see photo below] apparently help to quiet the drivetrain.






    There has been a lot of hype about wide rims lately but for me wider is better! Maybe it looks like marketing BS but I find these images pretty close to what I experienced with my 35mm wide Syntace W35 MX wheels.






    Disclaimer: I am not a downhiller but I like riding steep and technical terrain; I call it trail riding, some call it Enduro. Also, I prefer stronger wheels, which does not necessarily mean heavier ones. My set is 1700g.

    First off, I was surprised by the low rolling resistance of the tires put on the wider rims. The tires feel more stable while cornering and climb better due to improved grip. Also, braking distances are considerably shorter. All in all, I really like the performance of the wider rims. Nevertheless, what I find beneficial, others may find redundant. It all boils down to personal preference and there is no universal solution for everybody.

    Some time ago I decided to take some measurements. I installed the same tire [Schwalbe Rock Razor 2.35] on two different rims with 21mm I.D. [DT Swiss EX 5.1 D] and 29mm I.D. [Syntace W35 MX]. In both cases I inflated the tire to 2 bars [29 PSI]. This is what I found.




    Casing width:



    rim DT Swiss EX 5.1D [I.D. 21mm] - 55.80mm | rim Syntace W35 MX [I.D. 29mm] - 58.40mm

    difference: 2.6mm



    Thread width:



    rim DT Swiss EX 5.1D [I.D. 21mm] - 57.55mm | rim Syntace W35 MX [I.D. 29mm] - 57.60mm

    difference: 0.05mm
    practically none



    Findings: with the rim 8mm wider, casing expanded by 2.6mm while the thread width remained virtually the same [which is mathematically correct]. Moreover, the modified profile of a tire - a more gradual arch with more of the tread facing the crown of the tire - makes the transition to the tire's edging tread seamless and is responsible for a better grip as "more" tire contacts the ground.


    To be continued...
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    I'd be surprised if you need to use both a clutch derailleur and the Syntace chain guide. I have to switch the clutch to the off position on the XTR derailleur on my 301 with the chain guide or it doesn't like going onto the larger two cogs on the cassette. The chain guide works brilliantly.

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    Kielce Bike-Expo 2014

    Few pics from today's bike fair in Poland...
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    ♦ Purple Is the New Black ♦

    My GF told me the purple would fit the bike better than the previous gold.
    Who am I to question her sense of style?




















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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! ♦ UberBike Jockey Wheels + Ceramic Bearings ♦

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    They will match up nicely with my rotors:



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