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    Kronolog is installed on my bike, my initial impressions

    My very cool dealer let me buy one of the two Kronologs he got in Friday. No, I'm not one of his fast flashy guys, I'm a 53 year old mechanical engineer that does detailed looks and evalations of the stuff I buy from him. I'm flattered he was interested to know what I would think from my warped perspective. I got the post installed, but didn't have time to "really" ride it, just around the driveway and up and down the street. My son had talked me into signing up for the Cat 5's in Saturday's road race, racing guys 1/2 my age. Thanks son, that was swell. I was 179 average heart rate for 3h16m on the 58 mile course with an 8 mile, 2700' climb (I have a weird heart).

    I had a Reverb but sold it to get the Kronolog's fixed cable feature, I hated the Reverb's hydro hose snagging in my Santa Cruz Tall boy's suspension pivots when dropping or raising. And when adjusted to minimize that problem, it stuck out weird at regular height rubbing my calf. So, I am not a stranger to droppers.



    So, here are my initial thoughts from just playing around with it. The specs on the box show 466gm post, and 28gm lever. Mine were actually 468 and 28, close enough. Sounds lighter than the Verb, right? They didn't put the weight of the cable and case, which is 48gm. Oversight, or sneaky? My cable system ended up 38gm by the time I trimmed the case to fit my frame. Soooo... A few grams heavier than the Reverb. But 294gm more than my Thomson. That's .65 lb for the drop feature. Worth it! That makes my bike, as shown below, 25.4 lb. Not bad for a full suspension 29er.

    I like that I had the choice of sides for the actuator lever. I couldn't tell from the preliminary marketing pics what the lever would be like, so I had my dealer get me an iSpec shifter pod relocator (hooks it to the brake lever band) to make more room if needed. Happily, the Krono fits perfectly between an XT lever and XT shifter. I can take the $50 adapter back.



    Installation was much more fun with a cable vs a hose, because I could clip the cable vs having to run to the shop to get the hydro hose cut. And no bleeding after. I was mad that Santa Cruz put cable stops on the frame instead of ziptie saddles when I had the Reverb, but going to cables worked out great for my combo. As you can see in the pics, the install came out exceptionally sanitary. The cable routing from the lever to the frame looks natural. The Reverb hose was a little intrusive poking straight out in the front.



    Oh, yeah, the cable stop in the post's pawls uses a 2mm set screw. It pushed a kink in the cable so bad I couldn't remove the cable from the stop to fit it to my bike's lengths. I had to cut the cable, and then pull the frayed strands out with a needle nose. Before I assembled it, I got another 2mm set screw, to approach the cable from both sides in the stop so as not to kink it. Much better. Do that.

    The push on the lever to release the post is very, very light touch. It's about 1/3 the force to upshift the front derailleur. And it's smooth and progressive. The outter edge of the lever moves just 3/4" to actuate the drop feature. The Reverb seemed like I had to be pushing my thumb directly colinear with the centerline of the button travel axis to get it to move without binding. I can wildly stab the Kronolog lever and it works without whining.

    Riding around in controlled conditions, the post motion actuation is very nice. The adjustable pressure range is 50 to 80 PSI, I put mine at 65 as a starting point. Riding along, if I just push the lever, it will drop without any body english to get it started. The Reverb seemed like it took a little pogo bounce to get moving, as if there was some initial sticktion to overcome. I really noticed that with the Reverb, because commuting on the bike (29 miles each way), I used to like to change the seat height slightly. Moving the Reverb 1/4" was impossible. Moving the Kronolog 1/8" is easy. And with the Reverb, I felt just like with the button's sensitivity, I had to drop my fanny perfectly along same angle as the seat post to get it to drop, almost pulling the saddle forward with my cheeks. In rough conditions, I missed the drop a few times because of it. I imagine the Kronolog is going to be really easy to drop in all conditions and situations, because no matter how I tried, sitting on the saddle nose or heel, it smoothly went down.



    The rebound on the Kronolog, just like they promised, is quite civilized. I have heard of guys getting tapped on the rebound with mechanical posts, but this is nice. It starts off quick, but slows in the last inch or so of travel. Very cool.

    So, those are my initial impressions. I can't wait to dirt ride it. You can bash my thoughts, that's OK. It's all opinion.
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    Nice write up. My only concern is long term durability Please keep us posted. PS nice bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Nice write up. My only concern is long term durability Please keep us posted. PS nice bike!
    Thanks for the comment on my bike. I'm certainly not up to getting the most out of it, but I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, and getting new stuff keeps the cycling game fun and interesting. And I need every advantage I can buy. As the rest of my joints go to pieces, my hips, knees and ankles are fine cuz I ride

    Long term durability was a big question, too, but having held this post in my hands, not so much now. The silver stripe up the front and back was a big question. It has what looks like little graduations on it, some were wondering what they're really like. They are barely any depth at all. If you slide your finger nail across them, you can barely feel them. They certainly aren't machined, more like a laser etch, maybe? Therefore, I am not worried about them ripping up the seal or large amounts of guck getting in.

    The seal fits snug, even on the flat sides. I'm guessing they were molded for this applicaition of round bottom, and flat sides top. In any case, they aren't round-peg-square-hole syndrome, meaning a generic round seal crammed over the unique slider shape, with gaps along the flats.

    My Reverb had radial (twist) play out of the box. This has none. Absolutely none. But still goes up and down freely. We'll see how that goes.

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    Thanks for the writeup, I have to say I'm jealous! I will have to step up my efforts to find one.

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    Nice post and bike. A mechanical engineer who needed to go to the shop to cut the hydro hose..Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb-ripper View Post
    Nice post and bike. A mechanical engineer who needed to go to the shop to cut the hydro hose..Really?
    The shop has the magic cutter (Jagwire?) that keeps from crushing the inner pressure sleeve, and they have the clamp that holds the hose to tap the ferrel back in. I could hill-billy it, but I like stuff done perfectly. They are 1.5 miles away, no problem. And it's fun to stop in anyway.

    For conventional cable, I don't use a cable cutter. I use a Demel with a carburandum disc because it doesn't take any force to buzz through and doesn't distort the structural wire at all. But it does melt the inner lining a bit, so I use my acetylene welder tip cleaning round files (tiny) to open it back up and smooth it. That's not hill-billy either, I make the best cuts you'll ever see

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb-ripper View Post
    Nice post and bike. A mechanical engineer who needed to go to the shop to cut the hydro hose..Really?
    I know someone who is an engineer for Verizon but can't cut drywall. Everyone can't master everything.
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    awesome write up there. Thusfar I have NOT bought a dropper post because none of them are reliable enough for me as of yet, I will be traveling overseas and cant really tolerate a failure at any "normal" interval. I am really interested to hear about the offroad performance and reliability as I REALLY want a dropper post.

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    Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. I may get one for my birthday

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    Awesome review and nice TB.
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    Bikes to clean, must be a roadie....lol

    Good comparison, altho some of the reverb problems you have either seemed exaggerated or something was wrong with your post. My reverb has virtually no wiggle to it (laterally), the joystick plunger presses down perfectly, the seat lowers actually pretty easily although there is a hint of initial stiction as you noted, and since I have the stealth I don't deal with the hose going up and down with the seat

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    Great review and write up. Nice bike too.
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    Awesome write up I'm stuck between the reverb and the krono think you just made up my mind cheers

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    Ditto what everyone else already posted. And subscribed for some more thoughts on trail performance and longer-term reliability.
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    Very interested in long term reliability. That has not been Crank Brothers strength in the past.

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    Jeebus, I've been dying for some hands-on write ups, waiting to see them trickling out into eager seat-tubes. So THANKS for the initial thoughts. I'm hoping my dealer get's the two he ordered soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Very interested in long term reliability. That has not been Crank Brothers strength in the past.
    As a physicist/engineer I also always drooled over some CB bits, and how nicely they look and made. But then all of them that I owned failed in a fashion that seemed to indicate lack of prolonged practical testing.
    Will take a lot of happy owners reports for me to buy another bit from them.

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    Thanks, I'm liking what I read and see, except the cradle portion of the post. It's pretty narrow, I suspect bent saddle rails for a big dude like me. It should be more robust.
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    Great review! My biggest concern would be the same thing that has KILLED my Joplin4 on several occasions, the Air seal leaking! Hopefully they have a better setup here as I will end up with a Krono soon! CB is offering a trade in value for the Joplin owners which is great! Not sure how much though???

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    $100 and I don't think that starts right away, at least that's what the CBs rep said the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    $100 and I don't think that starts right away, at least that's what the CBs rep said the other day.

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    SWEEET! $100 off is great, I have no prob waiting a few months for that!

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    Do you have to be the original owner to get the trade in value? Could I go find a used Joplin and get the trade in?

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    Whats retail $ on this thing?

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    The retail is $299

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    Great writeup. As another mech eng, I'm excited about the design of the Kronolog; the side flats and pipe clamp style lock are perfect in their simplicity.
    I'm concerned that the clamp will cause wear notches in the shaft it clamps on but I haven't seen the specifics on how it works. Hopefully, they've addressed this issue.
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    So it's been a few days...how is the long term durability on the post? ;-)

    Subscribed for future updates.

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    Time for an update. First off, let me say that I am neutral on Crank Brother's stuff. I just barely switched to Egg Beaters, even though my sons have ridden for them years and I put them on my wife's Orbea Diva road bike a long time ago. Actually, I was waiting for the Fox DOSS post with its rumored 2 step drop. Until I saw the Kronolog...

    I did a 58 mile commute playing with the post the whole way to see how it responds to various loading scenarios. It's smooth! I can be spinning along 95rpm, tap the button, and the seat drops smoothly with no sticktion. That's a big deal to me to not have to pogo it to get it moving.

    I finally got it to the trails. Oh boy, it's fun! As I mentioned a bit, it's easy to get just a little drop, so I don't feel like I'm teetering way up in the air, but still be able to pedal reasonably efficiently without the thigh burn. With the reverb, there were a few places I would make the effort to drop it. With this Kronolog, I was changing the height constantly, my left thumb was as busy on the drop lever as my right thumb on the shifter. It's so easy and slick, why not? But all that lever action, as feather light as it is, irritated my thumb, which caused and arthritic flare in my wrist. Daggum Crank Brothers products!

    I took the bike past the LBS for the owner to check it out. He was as impressed as I was. He asked how light I could get the drop force, so I decided to monkey with lowering the pressure. I set it up on my Tallboy using the frame cable stops. With the cable tension set to spec, it doesn't leave any room to jocky the cable out of the stops, so the rear section of the casing is too short to pull the post out of the frame(!) Removing the cable from the screwed lug doesn't work, cuz it has to be cut so short to fit under the cover that it splays. Note to self: Keep a supply of cables on hand for when the post has to come out. Your bike may set up differently.

    So far, the bottom line for me is that I would hands down take the Kronolog over the Reverb (exclusive of whatever the long term durability will be). I am used to $90 tires now, and they wear out. If this post wears out or breaks outside of the warranty period, I would feel like the giggles were worth it and buy another.

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    Thanks for the report.
    Sure the krono looks sexy on your bike. Wht a beautiful match. Hope CB is doing it right this time.
    I've been on GD turbo for over a year, been very pleased with it, but it dosent hv that sexy look of krono.
    Btw, for the thumb control, can u move it to right side of the bar? On GD, it is specific left or right. Mine is on left, I can't put it on the right.
    Thanks again for the report.

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    I'm with Yody, I don't experience any of the issues you described with the Reverb. Mine is mounted on a Blur LTc and has been flawless. So simple to use and definitely never have to 'pogo' to get it moving. I wouldn't buy anything over a Reverb, especially something from Crank Bros.

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    Seatpost for a Tallboy (CB Kronolog, KS LEV...)
    I have a Crank Brothers Kronolog waiting for me at my LBS. It really does look nice.
    I am also considering a KS Lev, which should be out in about 2 weeks. The Lev will be over $400.00, maybe >$450.00 which is steep... Kronolog is $300.00.
    But I do like the KS lever much more. It should be also a little bit lighter. Somewhere between 450g and 480g. I do know the reputation of CB products, but my main question is the lever.
    Thomson will be coming with their seatpost as well. But it is going to be >600g...
    Do you have any discomfort with the lever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxsenduro View Post
    I'm with Yody, I don't experience any of the issues you described with the Reverb. Mine is mounted on a Blur LTc and has been flawless. So simple to use and definitely never have to 'pogo' to get it moving. I wouldn't buy anything over a Reverb, especially something from Crank Bros.
    Not to get off topic of the thread, but there is a good reason why the Reverb thread is 43 pages long, and its not everyone talking about how flawless the post is. Mine, on a Blur LT2, failed in two different fashions with 150 miles on it over the course of 3 months. Got a new 2012 model as a RMA, but I'm seriously considering selling it for a Kronolog or LEV.

    Definitely like the cable hookup on the post being at the collar and not the top of the post. Also not a fan of the handlebar button RockShox uses.

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    Awesome bike I totally agree the cables that move with the post end up in places you dont want them. I have been using the KS I 950 awesome post works great. But 5 inches of excess cable when the post is dropped can get in the way.

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    I am on a waitlist with my LBS for one. I have been sporting my maverick speedball r since it came on the market with no issues. (Yes I ride my bike!!!!) You got me though, it still works like a champ. My only main issue is it won't come up to full extensenion when the cable starts slip forward in it routing when it's in the down position then it runs out of slack.

    Quick question (and to subscribe to the thread)-Any issue using other lever mechanisms vs the Kronolog one? I have grown so used to using my pointer finger over the top of the speedball's remote I rater just leave it in place.

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    I can't wait to see how this post holds up...not a CB fan but this looks like it may work...only time will tell.

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    Yes, you can set it up with the lever over or under on the right or the left. The lever itself flips two ways on the clamp bracket for installation. I like the looks of the Giant lever, but this one works fine. It doesn't have to pull much cable to actuate it, when I get a moment I'll measure that and post it.

    I thought the Reverb was great. I still think that. After having had both, though, the Krono works better for what I like. My dealer liked it better too.

    I am going to try a mountain bike race next weekend, 40+ beginner. The course is pretty gnarly. I can't wait to drop the post and wail through the steep down sections. What will they think of next?

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    To OP -

    Would you mind posting some measurements for the post? Thanks.

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    Did you have problem with the seat tilt? As in did it move when you put your weight on the nose of the saddle. I had this problem with the Spec command post.
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    Trees- what do you need?

    zscwg- Hmmmm.... hadn't thought of clamping issues, so no, it hasn't moved. The clamps aren't serrated, so you can get the exact angle you want. The bolt takes a whopping 12N.m torque, I don't see the saddle going anywhere. I'm only 160lb, but my climbs are long and steep and I sit right on the nose. It's a little anatomically invasive, but works for me.

    Criticism: I hate Torx fasteners on a bike (seat clamp and lever clamp), who carries Torx wrenches riding? CB aren't the only offenders, my Campagnolo Super Record 11 group has Torx fasteners. I don't recall ever having any issues with good old hex fasteners, if they weren't over torqued to begin with.

    After riding last night, I swung by the LBS. The manager took it for a spin (owner rode it first time), and was all smiles. I want to steer this from bashing other posts, but he noted how easy it was to get a little or alot of drop easily. No bobbing to get it moving. He said he's ordering one.

    I am going to be dumb and enter the 40+ beginner class at a local race this Saturday. The course is supposed to be pretty burly, I would suspect I'll get more benefits from being able to drop it than negatives from the extra 2/3 pound.

    And finally, I see a side banner on this site showing the Kronolog. It's my understanding that availability is tight. Glad I got mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbons View Post
    Criticism: I hate Torx fasteners on a bike (seat clamp and lever clamp), who carries Torx wrenches riding?
    I do. That's what my rotors are attached with. And chainring bolts. I wish more hardware on my bikes used T25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbons View Post
    Trees- what do you need?
    Total height of the cable"box" and height of seat clamp. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I do. That's what my rotors are attached with. And chainring bolts. I wish more hardware on my bikes used T25.
    Indeed....most everything would work as t25....wouldn't that be easy....

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    My rotors and hydraulic banjo bolts are T25, too, but I hope I would never have to mess with them on the trail! Is there a multi tool that has a built in T25? Cuz dialing in the angle of the lever, I had to take my T25 1/4" bit and a 1/4" wrench to turn it.

    Measurements: The "box" is 2.563" from where it starts to bulge out from the 30.9mm body to the top of the seal. From the top of the seal to the middle of the saddle rail (a little subjective measuring) is about 4.725".

    Here's a novel use of the Kronolog... My wife intercepted me on my commute home, she was on her Orbea Dama road bike with Egg Beaters. She hasn't mountain biked for at least 10 years. I told her I wanted her to ride my Tallboy (Egg Beater equipped) so I could see what it looks like rolling. When we got home, I got it out, and dropped the seat post to the perfect height for her with the flip of a lever. I love droppers.

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    Thanks, gibbons. Are those measurement for the post set-up with the 5" drop? Just seeing how these measurements/heights compare with a Gravity Dropper Turbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbons View Post
    Is there a multi tool that has a built in T25?
    I think all current multi tools now come with T25.
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    Good write up, beautiful bike. Looks to be well designed. Can you include one more measurement please... What is the minimum insertion? Also do you see a way to remove the post from the seat tube without cutting the cable?
    That is a really nice bike you have there!

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    Wow, this thread is impressive. Gibbons, your initial write up was great and I look forward to hearing more with greater abuse. I'm shimmed on my reverb after switching from the enduro to mojo dh but don't want to purchase new dropper until these new models get some reviews...just sent the ks supernatural back due to concerns after purchase but Im very intrigued with the krono...keep the reviews coming. Hopefully some aggressive trail riders get involved...somebody abuse this thing!

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    FYI, I love my reverb but there's always room for improvement. And yes, super finite adjustments are difficult on her but I love the speed and reliability when hammering downhills. Still intrigued and the stealth looks challenging on installation?

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    Curious, does the post come with a 20mm reducer for short people?

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    i am not sure if it does, but the one in the box I have seen did not.
    You can reduce the travel by any length.
    I have read somewhere it was 20mm increments, which is incorrect. My LBS also confirmed it.

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