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    i dont know if im all am or xc...

    i know that sounds dumb but idk. the trails i take do have some rocky sections. some parts are fairly steap. i saw some xc races on youtube that look flat and boring as hell. i ride in the boise foot hills mostly if that helps. they are usually loops that take a long up hill ride and a decent downhill. i know this is a total noobie question

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    You clearly are not extreme enough and do not drink enough mountain dew to be AM... But real talk; does it really matter? Are you trying to decide what type of bike to get? If so, just ride what you feel more comfortable on. Same goes for components. If you are just having an identity crisis, call yourself a "trail" rider, or better yet just say you mountain bike.

    If all of the above fails, I would say that you are more of a xc rider. It sounds like you are describing blue run vs a black run a la mountain bike park/ski hill ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExCactus View Post
    just say you mountain bike
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    Hi nailtrail,

    I am currently on an xc bike but I join the boys in singletrack rides and sometimes attempt more technical trails where the low bb of an xc bike will pose a hindrance. Xc bikes are good for roads and trails but are a pain at tech or harsher courses. Maybe my skills are bad but that is how I feel about xc bikes. The geometry can be a tad nervous and steep sometimes.

    If u like the long gradual trails even though it comes with some climbs and nice downs, you are more a xc rider. if u enjoy the tech part of a trail and weight weeny-ing is not your top priority, go for an am or trail geometry bike. It helps u tackle the occasional steep downs and tech course better.

    Pardon me if I am off topic

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    It doesn't get brought up enough that the bikes the boards usually consider XC are not the same as XC race and the mellow trails people call XC on the boards are not the same the XC racers are on. Everyone has this impression that XC races are like cyclocross races with more trees and fewer run ups, not the case. The XC race series around uses many of the same trails I drag my huge AM bike up I'm just going slower uphill than they are and sometimes faster downhill they they would be.

    I'd say if you ride a bike to tackle technical challenges then you're looking for an AM bike. If you're out on a bike just to ride then you're looking for a Trail or XC bike. If you're riding your bike for milage or for speed uphill or on rolling terrain then you're looking for an XC or XC race bike. If you're just going downhill and not pedaling then get a FR bike if you're hitting jumps and features or a DH bike for pure speed down the nastiest terrain.

    Rocks will not break an XC bike, race bike or not it's still a mountain bike. And AM bikes will still go uphill they just take a bit more energy. For the most part you'll either have to make a compromise on comfort in technical terrain or ease of uphills. Personally it's an easy choice for what I like to ride; I will take a loss in climbing to gain a bike that won't shy away from any challenge that I come across. Shying away from challenges is my brain's job, not my bike's. Take a look at where you ride and decide which way you'd rather go. As was suggested you might prefer a Trail bike which is somewhere between all the marketing BS that is XC and AM.
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    xc basically = trail basically = am

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    ^fantastic answer. One of the best I have seen on this topic actually!

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    PM fotu. He's an All-Mountain pioneer.
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    It sounds like we're in the same predicament. From best I can tell, if you want to do it all, 5" of travel is ideal for the "I want to do it all" crowd. If you want XC, 4". AM is around 6". Give or take, of course. The best thing to do is try them all out on your favorite trails and make the decision

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    It sounds like we're in the same predicament. From best I can tell, if you want to do it all, 5" of travel is ideal. If you want XC, 4". AM is around 6". Give or take, of course. The best thing to do is try them all out on your favorite trails and make the decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    PM fotu. He's an All-Mountain pioneer.

    hahahaha, he can set you straight on stem length too.

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    mt dew is so 2007-2008ish

    xc = xtra careful
    am = ambulance, maybe
    dh = definitely hospital

    this is how I sort it in my brain..haha (depending on chickenskin levels, ofcourse I still may proceed with any of the 3)
    Last edited by 53119; 07-28-2011 at 08:21 AM.

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    all i have ever rode is xc bikes. so im not looking for what bike to get. i currently have a 07 marin nail trail that i like alot. and a mint 1999 stumpjumper fsr i have not rode yet. thanks for the posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    mt dew is so 2007-2008ish

    xc = xtra careful
    am = ambulance, maybe

    this is how I sort it in my brain..haha
    Pure Genius.

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    How about crosshilldowncountry? An old riding buddy called our riding style that before AM became the term. IMO, AM is just riding your bike up and down everything you can handle that your local trails have to offer. If you avoid advanced terrain, or only shuttle advanced terrain, it's tough to call yourself an AM rider. Of course advanced trail riding is relative to skill level and geography. I would consider a guy that just got into riding on an xc hard tail having a go at the most advanced terrain his local environment has to offer an AM rider. RIde everything you can! Have fun! That's AM.

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    I agree that it's all about comfort and where you're willing to make sacrifices. If you want to rally uphill and don't mind not having as plush of a ride then a 4"-5" bike works great. If you don't mind going a little slower up-hill to be able to rally back down faster then 6" is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    It doesn't get brought up enough that the bikes the boards usually consider XC are not the same as XC race and the mellow trails people call XC on the boards are not the same the XC racers are on. Everyone has this impression that XC races are like cyclocross races with more trees and fewer run ups, not the case. The XC race series around uses many of the same trails I drag my huge AM bike up I'm just going slower uphill than they are and sometimes faster downhill they they would be.

    I'd say if you ride a bike to tackle technical challenges then you're looking for an AM bike. If you're out on a bike just to ride then you're looking for a Trail or XC bike. If you're riding your bike for milage or for speed uphill or on rolling terrain then you're looking for an XC or XC race bike. If you're just going downhill and not pedaling then get a FR bike if you're hitting jumps and features or a DH bike for pure speed down the nastiest terrain.

    Rocks will not break an XC bike, race bike or not it's still a mountain bike. And AM bikes will still go uphill they just take a bit more energy. For the most part you'll either have to make a compromise on comfort in technical terrain or ease of uphills. Personally it's an easy choice for what I like to ride; I will take a loss in climbing to gain a bike that won't shy away from any challenge that I come across. Shying away from challenges is my brain's job, not my bike's. Take a look at where you ride and decide which way you'd rather go. As was suggested you might prefer a Trail bike which is somewhere between all the marketing BS that is XC and AM.
    that's a great answer, i ride an xc bike. i'm not a racer and i 'll ride what my balls allow me to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    mt dew is so 2007-2008ish

    xc = xtra careful
    am = ambulance, maybe
    dh = definitely hospital

    this is how I sort it in my brain..haha (depending on chickenskin levels, ofcourse I still may proceed with any of the 3)

    winner winner chicken dinner

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    mt dew is so 2007-2008ish

    xc = xtra careful
    am = ambulance, maybe
    dh = definitely hospital

    this is how I sort it in my brain..haha (depending on chickenskin levels, ofcourse I still may proceed with any of the 3)
    That's awesome.

    What does FR mean then? Fancy Riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by klaxed View Post
    That's awesome.

    What does FR mean then? Fancy Riding?
    fr = forget recovery(epic fail imminent!) i just watch NWD flicks or Rampage and live vicariously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by klaxed View Post
    That's awesome.

    What does FR mean then? Fancy Riding?
    Flying rescue? Forced rehab?

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    somewhere on these boards is a pretty good description
    this is not my work but i dont feel like finding the original post

    xc= average drop less then a foot
    trail= 1-3 foot drops
    am= 2-4 foot drops
    dh= lifts access scary *****
    fr= dh with man made structures (ladders, wood kickers, ect)

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenfstar View Post
    somewhere on these boards is a pretty good description
    this is not my work but i dont feel like finding the original post

    xc= average drop less then a foot
    trail= 1-3 foot drops
    am= 2-4 foot drops
    dh= lifts access scary *****
    fr= dh with man made structures (ladders, wood kickers, ect)
    I promise you, you don't need drops in your trail to make it AM or whatever you're riding or whatever you want to call things. I think the only thing anyone can probably call a consensus is XC < Trail < AM < FR/DH when it comes to technical challenges no matter how you define each.
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    meh it's a pretty good rule of thumb imo it sums up the different terrain i ride pretty well so like moby says dont be a d!ck

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenfstar View Post
    meh it's a pretty good rule of thumb imo it sums up the different terrain i ride pretty well so like moby says dont be a d!ck
    Actually it isn't a good rule of thumb and I've listened to all of Moby's stuff in the past several seconds and he never once said "don't be a dick".
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    Actually it isn't a good rule of thumb and I've listened to all of Moby's stuff in the past several seconds and he never once said "don't be a dick".
    you = dick

    and no one cares what you think

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    Buy a XC, increase the fork travel and lower the saddle post and boom. you have an am mtb bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by allenfstar View Post
    you = dick

    and no one cares what you think
    Well you apparently did. Cute response though, ever consider grown up conversations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    Well you apparently did. Cute response though, ever consider grown up conversations?
    just trying to stoop to your level so you would understand what i was saying

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    Here's what I can say.If you ride in the mountains with some drops and technical terrains then you can consider yourself an all mountain rider. If you ride in some light trails, fire roads where you can even close your eyes while riding or with not so much technical terrains then you are an XC rider. One more thing, If you prefer cycling shorts over bulky, 4pocketed MTB shorts then you are definitely an xc rider!!Hope this helps a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenfstar View Post
    you = dick

    and no one cares what you think
    Well, judging by this and the ruckus I kicked up in the hardtail thread - go on over there and check it out if you want to waste five minutes of your life you'll never get back - being an original 'AM' indicates a slavish devotion to marketing terms, coupled with intricate excuses for a lack of fitness and a predilection for mistaking length of travel for actual bike-handling skill. Not to mention a crass rudeness put on immediate display whenever their core 'AM' beliefs are questioned in the slightest.

    *sigh* "You'll have to excuse me, I'm feeling a bit superior tonight."

    To the OP: who cares whether you're XC or AM. Who cares what people call you, or even what you call yourself. It just doesn't matter, as long as you call yourself a mountain biker. I'm dead jealous you get to ride to trails from the city you live in. I hear that Boise and the surrounding foothills are beautiful and loaded with fun, flowy trails. I'd kill for that. Ride the hell outta your bike as fast as you can and let the small-minded try to figure out if you just blew past them on a light-freeride/all-mountain/xc-trail rig.

    Peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalmunky View Post
    Well, judging by this and the ruckus I kicked up in the hardtail thread - go on over there and check it out if you want to waste five minutes of your life you'll never get back - being an original 'AM' indicates a slavish devotion to marketing terms, coupled with intricate excuses for a lack of fitness and a predilection for mistaking length of travel for actual bike-handling skill. Not to mention a crass rudeness put on immediate display whenever their core 'AM' beliefs are questioned in the slightest.

    *sigh* "You'll have to excuse me, I'm feeling a bit superior tonight."

    To the OP: who cares whether you're XC or AM. Who cares what people call you, or even what you call yourself. It just doesn't matter, as long as you call yourself a mountain biker. I'm dead jealous you get to ride to trails from the city you live in. I hear that Boise and the surrounding foothills are beautiful and loaded with fun, flowy trails. I'd kill for that. Ride the hell outta your bike as fast as you can and let the small-minded try to figure out if you just blew past them on a light-freeride/all-mountain/xc-trail rig.

    Peace.
    +1 i wasnt trying to start a debate just paraphrasing a post i'd seen previously

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    end yuous propa granma.

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    I remember when freeride ment trail/am. it was cool because I identify with the freeride style of snowboarding too. so I could just be a freerider. then mtn dew and monster and redbull got ahold of freeride and turned it not so free, but a highly dangerous one-upmanship.

    my old and favorite definition (that doesnt include modern, but covers both mtb and snowboarding) is: freeriding is riding anywhere on the mountain. sometimes trails if you feel like it, sometimes up, sometimes down (gotta hike to get up on a board though). jumps, freestyle, deep racing cornering, very technical low speed stuff, EVERYTHING. and the best part was it was all for fun, not to show each other up and get hurt. seems very serious now.

    these days, if you dont consider riding your bike off your roof, you arent riding fr. its different than dh, dh is smooth and fast and purposefull. fr is dropping off stuff to see if your bike will break before you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    PM fotu. He's an All-Mountain pioneer.
    Don't bother with the PM I don't check em.

    Here is the question you meant to ask:

    Q: What is the difference between the All Mountain board and the Beginner's Corner?

    A: About $3,000.

    Boosh!

    And as far as stem length goes, 50mm. If that "feels" wrong to you, its you, not the stem. Suck it up, post a pick of your spanking clean bike, or head over to the beginner's corner, the Land of SHAME!!!!

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    Hey eurospek and bkul. How come you two never repped me back? You two owe me rep, and if you don't rep me, I will never help you either of you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    Hey eurospek and bkul. How come you two never repped me back? You two owe me rep, and if you don't rep me, I will never help you either of you again.
    we do? how can you tell? i thought i repped you a while back but ill rep you again, your comparision of the am forum to the beginners corner was pretty good.

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    For me, its all about control. If youre riding stuff hard enough that you dont feel as if youre in full control, despite trying to tune the bike, then you need more bike.

    The easy solution is to slow down. A lazy cruising speed will allow a trail bike to take up most demanding tech features. Bump up the speed, and you could be looking at an ambulance ride. Cant be said enough, the suspension is there for control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klaxed View Post
    That's awesome.

    What does FR mean then? Fancy Riding?
    FR = Fukin Radical

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    mt dew is so 2007-2008ish

    xc = xtra careful
    am = ambulance, maybe
    dh = definitely hospital

    this is how I sort it in my brain..haha (depending on chickenskin levels, ofcourse I still may proceed with any of the 3)
    Awesome, rep'd for the most original response to this type of question I've ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post

    Q: What is the difference between the All Mountain board and the Beginner's Corner?

    A: About $3,000.
    Actually, that's the most forthright answer I've heard yet. Good on ya.
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