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    I am looking to possibly upgrade my Hubs and am looking for input regarding the best brands out there. I see that HOPE and Chris King are very popular. Can someone send me a list of the TOP hubs? Also, I am currently using Velocity Hubs and they make a loud ratcheting sound while coasting. I would prefer a rear hub that is silent.

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    King, Hope, I9, DT Swiss, Hadley are what most people turn to for quality hubs.

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    Your probably not going to have much luck finding a silent rear hub. Many of the nicer more pricey rears are actually louder than the cheaper counter parts. Hadleys are known as being very loud, I used to have a set that would scare small children! Might want to check out American Classic, I don't have personal experience with them but have read they are good quality and a little quieter, plus cheaper than the big four. I personally like a louder rear, my current Ringle buzzing away in the woods lets hikers and bears know I'm coming.

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    my xt hubs are pretty quiet.

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    If you search you might be able to find audio clips of each rear hub, or you can probably youtube them and find something. XT are definitely really quiet though, but not on the same level as the others mentioned in the first post. It really depends where you ride, what things are important to you, and most of all how much you want to spend. If needing minimal maintenance in wet environments is important, I'd go hope. If having the most engagement points is important, then I9 I think is winning that race. Could you get more specific what you are looking for/ price range?

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    if you want a good value quality hubset don't be afraid to mix and match. i run king or hadley rear with hope proII up front. hadley are one of the best bargain quality hubs out there in a rear hub. hope meanwhile make an excellent front hub that's easily convertible to qr, qr15 or 20mm. best bang for the buck by far.

    there are lighter options out there. i like jbend spokes so i stay away from i9. i realize they make a jbend hub as well but for the money i'd go with hadley. easy to work on. great customer service decent price

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    hadley rear with hope proII up front.
    i have the same setup...hadley's are easy to maintain (allen keys and a spanner tool) and pretty quick engagement. no I9s but better than Hope by far.

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    I would prefer a rear hub that is silent.
    Stay away from Hope Pro2's then, not sure about the Pro3's yet. Sounds like I'm firing a Gatling gun at people. Great hub though.

    For quiet hubs, XT fits the bill, although hardly what I'd consider a "top" hub. Way to fragile if you are a heavier rider who ratchets or mashes a lot.

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    I use American Classics and can vouch that they are pretty quiet. They're also lighter than anything besides the questionable weight weenie hubs like Tune and cheaper than most high end hubs.
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    To me stealth hubs are the ultimate, instant engagement and completely silent. They're really expensive though, I think like $500 for a hub.
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    I was surprised to find that XT hubs are not sealed cartridges.

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    DT Swiss would be second choice after Chris King hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    DT Swiss would be second choice after Chris King hubs.
    I just went to youtube to listen to what a king sounds like, it's like a prison siren! I don't remember them being that loud.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zexH...7F910&index=50

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    Quote Originally Posted by missoularider
    I just went to youtube to listen to what a king sounds like, it's like a prison siren! I don't remember them being that loud.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zexH...7F910&index=50

    Dunno what model of hub that is but mine is not nearly that loud.

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    Hubs dont make noise bearing do. If they have Ceramic bearings that would be the screaming you hear. Stainless or Hybird SIC bearings are quieter.

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    I have Hopes and DT's. Riding buddy has Hadley.
    The Loudest are the Hopes (24pt) the next is the Hadley (72pt) and the quietest by far are the DT Swiss. (18 or 36 pt) With the DT's you can hear them in the parking-lot but on the trail with the wind and tire noise, you have to listen.

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    What about the Pure XCR hubs from BWW? How are those in comparison to the above mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar-man
    Dunno what model of hub that is but mine is not nearly that loud.
    You may need to service them. They get quieter when they get dirty on the inside. I just serviced mine after about 8 months of riding and I had forgotten how loud they were when they were new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    I was surprised to find that XT hubs are not sealed cartridges.
    They are still sealed though, as good or better than many hubs out there. The cup-and-cone design is also more adjustable than most hubs with cartridge bearings and the bearing design can handle side loading better than most cartridge bearings. The downsides to that design are that they have to be adjusted properly in the first place, rebuilding the bearings takes more steps than replacing a cartridge bearing (although it only requires basic hand tools, not a bearing puller and bearing press), and that the inner race is built in to the hub so if you don't treat them well and damage that race the hub needs to be replaced. Besides differences in maintenance there is no reason to hold this again the Shimano hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by have2ride2day
    You may need to service them. They get quieter when they get dirty on the inside. I just serviced mine after about 8 months of riding and I had forgotten how loud they were when they were new.

    My kings are brand new, so I had better not have to service them. I guess the term "loud" is a relative term. My rear hub has a nice buzz but not like as loud as that other hub in the youtube.

    Also, to the other poster who said it is the bearings making that sound, in a rear hub, it is not your bearings making the sound unless your bearings are shot. The buzzing/clicking/whirring sound is the pawls clicking.

    My old Hadleys had a much more pronounced clicking. I kinda like having the sound. Makes me feel like i am riding a precision machine and makes up for my lack of skill. ha.

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    White Industry hub has "some" sound, but not nearly chris king or hope volume.
    http://whiteind.com/home.html
    whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    Hubs dont make noise bearing do. If they have Ceramic bearings that would be the screaming you hear. Stainless or Hybird SIC bearings are quieter.
    Bearings are silent unless they are rooted. Doesn't matter if they are ceramic, ceramic hybrid or steel.
    The noise these guys are talking about is the freewheel ratchet in the rear hub.
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    Lets not forget Shimano XTR hubs.
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    Don't Coast!

    JK. I love my Hadley Hubs. Going on 7 years and only 1 rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    Hubs dont make noise bearing do. If they have Ceramic bearings that would be the screaming you hear. Stainless or Hybird SIC bearings are quieter.

    you're joking, right?
    The freehub is what's making noise. Bearings have nothing to do with it (front hubs have bearings, ever heard a loud one of those?)

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    Have you guys heard ceramoc bearings. They are loud as hell. Im not saying the sound is the bearings. I agree its the freehub. I guess no one has ceramic bearing experience. I guess what im trying to say is its not the design of the hob.

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    If you can hear ceramic bearings over the sound of the ratchet, then you are superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBowles
    If you can hear ceramic bearings over the sound of the ratchet, then you are superman.
    You obviously cant read can you. Read my post above you dumb ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    You obviously cant read can you. Read my post above you dumb ass.
    I have. Doesn't quite make sense.

    You seem to be saying that ceramoc[SIC] bearings are louder than steel bearings and that the design of the hob[SIC] does not play a role in how the hob sounds. I would argue, however, that the design of the hob includes both the bearings and the freehub mechanism. Any noise being made is in fact being made by the hob, regardless of whether it is coming form the bearings, or the freehub. Also, I think that most people here would agree that any properly preloaded and lubricated bearings should be nearly silent, and definitely much quieter than any freehub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar-man
    My kings are brand new, so I had better not have to service them.
    Then they may have too much lube/grease in them. Have you taken a look? IMO, you should open up and service all new hubs before even the first ride. You might be surprised to find that most/many new equipment is not setup correctly. Another example of this is forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    Have you guys heard ceramoc bearings. They are loud as hell. Im not saying the sound is the bearings. I agree its the freehub. I guess no one has ceramic bearing experience. I guess what im trying to say is its not the design of the hob.

    WTF? You should save this post for opposite day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    You obviously cant read can you. Read my post above you dumb ass.

    Bwhahahahah.

    Please, explain it to us "dumb" guys.
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    I think he think's he doing a good of using sarcasm to pull our legs

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    Before spending money, try servicing your Velocity hubs, or have a bike shop do it in less than 1/2 hour labor cost. Hub service should be done at least every 1000 miles, 500 miles would be plenty, more often if ridden often in wet conditions. Disassemble the free hub and clean re grease the pawl and ratchet area. Normally fresh grease will quiet a hub to be near silent or a pleasant buzz.

    I've been on Hadley hubs a few years and they are relatively quiet when regularly serviced, you can hear the rear, a nice "zzzz" sound, but not at all LOUD like King or Hope. Hadley's are very easy to service, very stiff even with QR, and convertible between QR, 10mm, and 12mm. I think the front hubs are convertible too, not sure because I'm still on a Hope 20mm front hub.

    BTW, the rear Hope Pro 2 is extremely LOUD. They are impossible to quiet with lube to a normal buzz for more than a few miles (although I didn't try peanut butter!). Also they are slow engaging, and flexy with QR skewers due to lacking a solid axle without converting to 10mm or 12mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    Have you guys heard ceramoc bearings. They are loud as hell. Im not saying the sound is the bearings. I agree its the freehub. I guess no one has ceramic bearing experience. I guess what im trying to say is its not the design of the hob.

    I sell ceramic bearings. They are not noisey.
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    My Chris King hubs have a nice buzz sound but you really don't hear it when riding. I rode within a few yards of a wild turkey gobbler the other day before it flew which is odd if anyone knows much about a turkeys hearing or eye sight. In most cases if I would have been walking it would have been a great shot but had I been walking that turkey would have been long gone before I saw it. I was within 10 feet of a ruffed grouse before it flew recently as well. I don't think the King hubs are loud at all.

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    My buddy has a CK hub he built up on a wheel a year ago. I was surprised to find it wasn't nearly as loud as the "swarm of angry bees" I expected to hear. Even it was that way, it would still be way more soothing to the ears than my Hope.

    Don't get me wrong, my Pro2 has been stellar, it's just quite the opposite of quiet. Must be the bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    You obviously cant read can you. Read my post above you dumb ass.
    Clearly you have anger and punctuation issues.

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    illini has to be a troll, nobody can be that stupid can they?

    Anybody asked OP what kind of riding he wants, budget or any achievement apart for silence?

    All the hubs I like are loud apart from the new Saint.

    XT for XC riding, Saint for heavy duty, still don't trust that sprag bearing hub until I see some decent reviews.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by illini
    Have you guys heard ceramoc bearings. They are loud as hell. Im not saying the sound is the bearings. I agree its the freehub. I guess no one has ceramic bearing experience. I guess what im trying to say is its not the design of the hob.
    lol.
    Can you explain to us what a hob is please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant
    still don't trust that sprag bearing hub until I see some decent reviews.
    I was gonna wait a year to post a review for the True Precision Stealth rear hub, but my experience after 7 months has been nothing but great. Completely silent, instant engagement, 5 year warranty (last time I checked, which was when I purchased). They are awesome for techy sections that require ratcheting to make it through tight spots, as there is no waiting for a short, small crank on the arms to engage the hub, and they are very easy to feather. They also make wheelie-drops & skinny lines in short, steep, rocky sections much more doable (for me anyway) because of the decrease in mis-timing of the engagement that I'd had with other hubs. I also run an XTR rear hub on one of my bikes, and it is nearly silent & performs very well--pretty quick & solid--but doesn't even come close when it comes to engagement. Neither did the I-9's or Kings I've test-ridden, and those were pretty noisy, if that bothers you. The Stealth hubs aren't the lightest or cheapest, but have been very stiff & reliable so far, and I'll have a hard time switching to anything else on future wheel builds, barring anything catastrophic.

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    Thanks for all the replys. I ride all year round in PA and ride agressive XC and I guesss some all mountain. Depanding on the ride, it can be really dry, or really wet. There are places I ride are are extremly rocky too. I was look for something quieter than the Velocity hubs I currently use, but now I am thinking this should not be a deal breaker.

    Going into this I didn't have a budget set, but now I am thinking about $400.

    So far I am thinking about the Chris Kings. I would like to research the Hadleys more, but can't find a website for them.

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    no experiance but the superstar am trizoid hubs look really intresting. 120 poe, cheap, and light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstevens
    Thanks for all the replys. I ride all year round in PA and ride agressive XC and I guesss some all mountain. Depanding on the ride, it can be really dry, or really wet. There are places I ride are are extremly rocky too. I was look for something quieter than the Velocity hubs I currently use, but now I am thinking this should not be a deal breaker.

    Going into this I didn't have a budget set, but now I am thinking about $400.

    So far I am thinking about the Chris Kings. I would like to research the Hadleys more, but can't find a website for them.
    Hadley doesn't have a website and it would be pretty tough to find a pair of kings for $400, even used ones tend to stay pretty high in price.

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