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    High Volume AM tires: 2.3-2.5 (true width) with great grip for rocky stuff?

    I just got a Conti Vertical Pro 2.3 for the front to replace my 2.4 Specialized Evil Twin Roller (a heavy DH/FR tire that rips, but sucks to lug uphill).

    Wow, that is the smallest 2.3 ever! It rolls really fast, but I got my AM -azz kicked on some rocky uphills that I normally clear pretty easily. What is this crap, having to choose all my lines again?! That is so XC

    What's something good for the front that'll hook up nicely with aggro (taller with big side lugs) tread in the 2.4-ish category?

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    Kenda Nev or Blue Groove 2.35 to 2.5 Stick-E...

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    WTB moto raptor 2.4. big knobs and high volume at a low weight. personally, I like the 2.24 for rear and the 2.4 for front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Kenda Nev or Blue Groove 2.35 to 2.5 Stick-E...
    BGs are shite, Nevs tear their side lugs off on rocky terrain. Plus, they roll slow and wear out really fast.... and they suck in sand. Oh, and they are expensive. Other than that, great tires...

    My bike came with Mutanoraptors 2.4s. They perform equal or better than the Kendas, roll WAY faster, cost 1/2 as much, last twice as long. Theyre also lighter. They are a dry condition tire, not for mud. The Nevs did climb a little better, I'll give them that...

    If you want more aggressive tread, Guyechka might have a good suggestion. I ordered another set of mutanos for $23 ea. thru Cambria...

    I ride front range, so I know all about rock...

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    i use a mutano 2.4 for the rear also and like it....

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    BGs are shite, Nevs tear their side lugs off on rocky terrain. Plus, they roll slow and wear out really fast.... and they suck in sand. Oh, and they are expensive. Other than that, great tires...

    My bike came with Mutanoraptors 2.4s. They perform equal or better than the Kendas, roll WAY faster, cost 1/2 as much, last twice as long. Theyre also lighter. They are a dry condition tire, not for mud. The Nevs did climb a little better, I'll give them that...

    If you want more aggressive tread, Guyechka might have a good suggestion. I ordered another set of mutanos for $23 ea. thru Cambria...

    I ride front range, so I know all about rock...
    and I've used the Mutano 2.4's for front and back.
    however, he did ask for
    "What's something good for the front that'll hook up nicely with aggro (taller with big side lugs) tread in the 2.4-ish category"
    The BG's 2.35 i run in front have not torn off any lugs, sticks like glue to rocks and rolling resistance and wear is not as much of an issue for the front tire is not as critical for the front as for the rear... Also, the Mutanos are more like a high volume 2.25 than a true 2.4.
    Like the front range, we have a scattering of rocks and sand here in the high desert...

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    kenda gluegroove/nevegal combo, allthough slow rolling, will stick to an inverted wall of a cave in granny gear. well, maybe not, but exceptionally grippy.
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    Word is that Schwabe Big Betty 2.4's have more grip than the 2.35 nevs, and roll better. They also weigh more, but are more like the size of the 2.5 Nev.
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    Kenda Nev. are nice for 700+ grams but if you want something a bit lighter and not paper thin, I'd recommend Nokian NBX 2.3's and Motoraptor 2.25's. Both are about 600 grams +/-. They're light and pretty tough for AM.

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    Maxxis DH minion 2.35 or 2.5 for the front and mutanoraptor 2.4 for the rear. Great combo!

    The minion rolls fast and awesome grip in loose and hardpack, mutanoratpor climbs well and rolls really nice rocks and hard pack....and it's pretty good in soft stuff even.

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    Panaracer Fire FR 2.4 is fricken' huge. I love them.

    I've also had good luck with a 2.5 Blue Groove, though only used it in the front.

    And some of the Specialized offerings in the 2.3-2.4 range are nice and big. I picked up some super cheap from a local shop that had some hanigng around from new bike purchase take off/swaps. Been pretty happy with them, too.
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    While I liked My DTC nevgals they wore fast and the outer lugs are tearing off. They roll slow and the one regular Stick-E I have on the rear is a joke.

    My Big Betty's should be here any day.

    Can't friggin wait. GOOEY GLUEY BETTY

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    Quote Originally Posted by moment
    While I liked My DTC nevgals they wore fast and the outer lugs are tearing off. They roll slow and the one regular Stick-E I have on the rear is a joke.

    My Big Betty's should be here any day.

    Can't friggin wait. GOOEY GLUEY BETTY

    that was exactly why i ran the BG on the front; figured it would get shredded very quickly on the back.

    running sticky rubber on a rear tire for me isn't happening unless i decide to race with them, or someone else is paying for them!
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    I run Azonic Vigilante 2.5 (760g) in the front and an Azonic Refugee 2.3 (600ish g?)in the rear. I ran 2.4 Motoraptors & Mutano's and coudn't stand the lack of traction. The Azonic's work great as AM trail tires up & down, I even ran them for DH but the thin sidewalls are not made for heavy rockgardens.

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    i just got the kenda nevegals at performance for $12 each, so i bought 4....i like em so far, seem skinny for a 2.35 though....yup $12, who cares how fast they run out...
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    Take a look at IRC Trail Bears. Nice volume in 2.35 and 2.5. Can usually score them for 20 bucks a piece. Oh yeah, thier 700-800'ish grams.

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    Kenda Cortez 2.4's work nice, DTC for stickier handling, L3R for most long wearing.

    +2 on the WTB MotoRaptor 2.4's - a little heavy but solid tires that just keep rolling.

    Last year's Spec Adrenalin Pro 2.2's work well too, but seem to wear more quickly than I prefer.

    Cont Diesel 2.5 worked very well last spring in Moab, works okay in central Texas, held up well, but buy don't ride them in the wet around here ( Austin ) - apparently their forumation is not good for wet limestone. Blerg.

    A couple people around here are also liking the Cinder 2.25's - good 'n tacky 'n grippy tread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duke777
    Maxxis DH minion 2.35 or 2.5 for the front and mutanoraptor 2.4 for the rear. Great combo!

    The minion rolls fast and awesome grip in loose and hardpack, mutanoratpor climbs well and rolls really nice rocks and hard pack....and it's pretty good in soft stuff even.
    The Minion rolls fast compared to what? A 3 inch Gazzaloddi?

    I put my Minions back on my Slayer for ride last week and they felt like boat anchors.
    Mind you, I have been riding Fire XC 2.1’s for a while now (580 grams) and the Minions are about 800 grams, but they are coming off the bike again ASAP.

    I know the OP said he rides a lot of rocks, so the Minions might be better there, but they are horrible on soft dirt as they pack up with mud or dirt.
    I brought half the trail home with me last week.
    They are Super Tacky, as the label states.
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    Another vote for the BG/Nev combo. Been on these tires for @3 yrs now, ZERO issues.

    One note regarding all these guys tires wearing out too fast or knobs ripping off, stop dragging your fricken brakes. As stated previously I've been using Kenda tires, DTC, LR3 Pro & Stick-e, for @ 3 yrs and never ever had any issues with knobs tearing, but then again I don't drag my brakes. Just seems a logical connection.

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    Spec'd enduro 2.4. they work really great as a front tire.. very aggressive, always bites.. and rolls pretty well imo. I have the mutano 2.4 in the rear.. they are good enough for me on climbs, but i really like them just because they are fast.
    I would NOT think twice about getting the enduros up front again...just awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Word is that Schwabe Big Betty 2.4's have more grip than the 2.35 nevs, and roll better. They also weigh more, but are more like the size of the 2.5 Nev.

    Schwalbe Big Betty is a great tire! With the Gooey Gluey compound it sticks to wet roots, mud, loose rock and what not! The best I have tried! Gives great confidence on the trail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrankMan
    Schwalbe Big Betty is a great tire! With the Gooey Gluey compound it sticks to wet roots, mud, loose rock and what not! The best I have tried! Gives great confidence on the trail!
    Can't wait for the tubeless verson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moment
    While I liked My DTC nevgals they wore fast and the outer lugs are tearing off. They roll slow and the one regular Stick-E I have on the rear is a joke.

    My Big Betty's should be here any day.

    Can't friggin wait. GOOEY GLUEY BETTY
    I'm interested in this tire...where did you order them from and how much?

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    Try Nokian NBX 2.3's if you can get a hold of them. Great grip, low resistance, banged them on some harsh rock gardens on my hardtail, never flatted out. Way better than those POS Conti Gravitys that pinchflatted every ride. Plus they're pretty good in the wet stuff too.

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    I have the Panaracer FR 2.4 front and back and they really hook-up on steep & loose chutes. I have more confidence in them than my older Kenda Kinectics 2.35's plus the .05 difference between the two looks more than that. The FR 2.4 has almost the same width as a maxxis minion 2.7 DH. They do suck in climbing long fireroads, but are acceptable in short loose technical uphills.

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    Kenda nevegal 2.35s are the same size as some manufacturers 2.5 sizes. They are one of the few advertised sizes that are a true size. ie; actually a 2.35+.

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    I've found all the 2.35 Kendas to be a bit undersized but they grip well even though kind of small, not the fastest tires either and they weigh 750/800g. All the 2.24/2.4/ 2.55 WTBs have narrower tread than the title states though the air volume is very good but the 2.4 Mutano is very light and Moto performs like the Kendas, it's a good but tall front that will fold over if you run on too narrow a rim or too little air. The 2.5 Diesel is a true 2.4 and lower profile than the Moto, has a wide base that allows you to run very low pressure but I don't like it up front. The 2.3 Specialized Roller Pro is bigger than stated with great grip but kind of slow and heavy. I'm digging the 2.4 Schwalbe Nobby Nic, a true 2.25 and just under 600g, it's wider than the 2.35 Kendas, 2.24 and 2.4 mutanos and about the same as the 2.4 Moto but 150 to 200g lighter than all but the Mutanos which it outgrips easily but rolls slower. The 2.3 Vert pro and Gravity are more like 2.1.

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    Depends on brand name I guess. I had a set of High Roller 2.5s and they are about the same size as my Nevegal Stick E 2.35s. My Velociraptor 2.4s looked small compared to Nevegal/Blue Groove 2.35s. The Blue Groove 2.5 looks huge compared to a High Roller 2.5. The Noxian NBX 2.3 look a fair bit smaller than the Nevegal 2.35 also.

    I want to try out some Geax Sturdy and a Big Betty or two. I keep hearing good things about these tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronny
    Kenda nevegal 2.35s are the same size as some manufacturers 2.5 sizes. They are one of the few advertised sizes that are a true size. ie; actually a 2.35+.
    Got this set up (BG 2.35 Stickie Front, Nev 2.1 dtc rear) on my new 6.6. They seem to work really well. They stick great, corner well, climb well and don't seem all that slow rolling to me.

    Anyone else notice that the BG 2.35 isn't any wider than the Nev 2.1. Haven't measured it, but they look about the same.

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    Sounds like the BG is pretty popular

    I think I'll go with the 2.5 Blue groove then. Maybe with a Mutanoraptor 2.4 on the back. That sound pretty sweet.

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    I'm running a conti Diesel Protection 2.5 up front and absolutely love it. Grips to the rocky terrain really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haro_xls
    I think I'll go with the 2.5 Blue groove then. Maybe with a Mutanoraptor 2.4 on the back. That sound pretty sweet.
    That 2.5 BG is HUUUGE, tough and heavy while the 2.4 Mutano is tall narrow light and a little weak so thats a bit of an odd combo IMHO. If the Mutano is tough enough for you you're hanging a bunch of slow rolling rubber off the front that you don't really need. both good tires but for very different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5
    Another vote for the BG/Nev combo. Been on these tires for @3 yrs now, ZERO issues.

    One note regarding all these guys tires wearing out too fast or knobs ripping off, stop dragging your fricken brakes. As stated previously I've been using Kenda tires, DTC, LR3 Pro & Stick-e, for @ 3 yrs and never ever had any issues with knobs tearing, but then again I don't drag my brakes. Just seems a logical connection.
    i also think it depends on the terrain quite a bit...i dont consider myself a brake dragger at all and have pulled off a quite a few knobs over the years, but i prefer stuff like this
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    The BG 2.5 Stick-e DH sucks for trail riding.

    Quote Originally Posted by haro_xls
    I think I'll go with the 2.5 Blue groove then. Maybe with a Mutanoraptor 2.4 on the back. That sound pretty sweet.

    WAYYYYYYY too heavy, (close to or over 1300g). Realy hard to get on and off the rim (wire bead), and way too sticky and heavy for anything other than lift assisted DH riding. I rode on on a 25 miler and almost had a heart attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5
    Another vote for the BG/Nev combo. Been on these tires for @3 yrs now, ZERO issues.

    One note regarding all these guys tires wearing out too fast or knobs ripping off, stop dragging your fricken brakes. As stated previously I've been using Kenda tires, DTC, LR3 Pro & Stick-e, for @ 3 yrs and never ever had any issues with knobs tearing, but then again I don't drag my brakes. Just seems a logical connection.
    Drag brakes when the bike is leaned over???

    The Nevs peel off from the side of the lug, not from the front anyway.

    It depends on terrain, the Nevs dont hold up riding lots of rock... as red5 said....

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    Quote Originally Posted by haro_xls
    I think I'll go with the 2.5 Blue groove then. Maybe with a Mutanoraptor 2.4 on the back. That sound pretty sweet.
    That would be a strange combo... the mutano 2.4s are about the size of Kendas 2.35s. They are also under 600g, I run a 1.2 mm Kenda tube for 2.35-2.7s (12 oz) and it works for me. I find the mutanos acceptable on the back, but they don't climb as well as some others... The 2.5 BG will be 2x the weight of the mutano...

    I'd recommend trying out the mutanos front and rear, theyre $23 @ Cambria, so if it doesnt work for you , no biggie... if it does, you have a sub 600g 2.4 tire. They roll soooo much better than the Kendas too.

    Check out the reviews on this site...

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    so 2.5 BG isn't going to do it

    Maybe those cheaper Mutanos are the way to go for now. Or the 2.35 BG up front. I thought the 2.5 kevlar bead BGs would be around 1000 g or less... Must be more than that.

    These false sizes are so confusing! Thanks for helping a relative newb with this tire stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haro_xls
    Maybe those cheaper Mutanos are the way to go for now. Or the 2.35 BG up front. I thought the 2.5 kevlar bead BGs would be around 1000 g or less... Must be more than that.

    These false sizes are so confusing! Thanks for helping a relative newb with this tire stuff.
    The 2.5" kevlar BG is ~850g, it's the DH version that is heavy (1300g?), and they both have the sticky rubber, so no worries there.

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    Good job!

    Big Earl, wet or dry condition version, in a 2.35 is relatively light (800g), definitely big volume, tubeless ready, has casing protection and won't make your wallet sweat!

    Great shot of the descent in Fruita and fair play to riding it all the way down...I fell most of the way

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    Haven't gotten onto the BBs yet but here what some of the Turner boys have to say about the Kenda's vs the BBs..

    Big Betty tires.....

    BBs seem to be the tire at the mo!

    Im looking at a Nobby nic for the rear and BB up front as my combo
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