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    Heavy Duty AM Bike?

    G'day you lot,

    Thought you might like to give some thought to a heavy duty AM bike.

    I already have a Prophet 3 - but am getting into bigger and faster and want something a bit more capable.

    Trouble is - she still has to pedal. Most of the downhill/semi downhill/light free ride tracks require up to an hour of climbing/pedalling to get to (and at 43 i dont want to spin a downhill rig)

    Yeah, yeah.....i'd buy a flash nomad or some such, but this is definitely a second bike, and will probably even go second hand.

    Was thinking along the lines of an older Kona Stinky or Coiler. Maybe an older Heckler?

    Must pedal reasonably well - but be tuffer than the Prophet

    Any ideas?

    Cheers,

    Jawry

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    Giant Reign X
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    ever think about maybe a ht. i have an iron horse ht that i use as my second bike to my fr/dh bike. and i can pedal it all day, and still hit absolulty everything i can on my bighit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickabeans
    ever think about maybe a ht. i have an iron horse ht that i use as my second bike to my fr/dh bike. and i can pedal it all day, and still hit absolulty everything i can on my bighit.
    I'm hearin' ya - have thought long and hard about a Camelion (or steel equiv) with a good fork. But the 43 yo back keeps sayin' ouch. Also, have not had the chance to try a suitable HT.

    Back to full suss - thoughts on a 'dale gemini (love the looks and feedback through various sites)

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    Reign

    Reign, I also have the Prophet and have owned a Gemini ....and also a Reign ....And i am looking for another Reign frame, they are hard to beat and can be a reasonable weight the suspension is superb compared to The (insert Name)

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    rocky mountain slayer or slayer sxc
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    Coilair

    i've ridden it alongside a prophet and it's quite burly in comparison. it's actually a little too burly for me so i am looking to sell it for a transition covert. it still pedals relatively well and bombs on the ugly stuff.

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    Specialized Enduro is a nice bike soild bike with square tubes and nice cold forgings. I have a 05 enduro expert myself, it takes drops very well and goes uphill. I some times wish I would have gotten an SX Trail with the coil spring and fork which gives a bit of extra travel and beefyness, allthough its heavier.

    I would have gotten this or the Regin X

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    yeah, SX Trail or Reign X

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    The Enduro is a nice looking bike, I would also include the Iron Horse 6 point, they sell on rscycle for a reasonable sum.

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    Yeti 575 or Ventana X5

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    Preston FR.

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    2nd the preston.

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    Knolly Delirum T, if you can swing it. I'd have one if I could afford it. Cheaper options include the Transition BottleRocket (which I got and love) and Preston, the Giant Reign X, RM Slayer (SXC or otherwise) Kona Coiler/Coilair, Norco Six, etc.

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    Uzzi vpx, it pedals far too well for a full on fr bike... mine is 42 lbs setup for dh, 39 for xc, and can lose 3 lbs easy, but I'm 200 lbs and ride it at Keystone, so it has a heavy build. Its a very nimble big bike and handles tight twisty, rocky trails really well. Its also very fast, it could serve as a dh race rig as well.
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    All have mentioned good bike for your need. With today suspension and shock technology you won't get any wrong for bike suggested.
    My list based on (my) price performance ratio: Reign/Reign X, IH 6point, Spesh Enduro/RM Slayer SXC, SC Nomad/Intense 6.6/Turner RFX. No idea on Preston, Versus, etc

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    The Transition bikes are supposed to pedal very well for their weight. If you can demo either the Bottlerocket or the Preston FR, do it. And they're quite reasonable even new...

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    Versus Blitz II is a sweet bike for your do all riding.

    http://www.versuscycles.com/blitz_detail.html

    Check out these guys also. http://www.rotaimports.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Versus Blitz II is a sweet bike for your do all riding.

    http://www.versuscycles.com/blitz_detail.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better
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    I think Santa Cruz have a lot of options for you somewhere between Heckler, Bulit,
    Nomad, VpFree, they cover almost everything from AM to FR,
    Single pivot, Vpp, a lot of options and nice bikes.

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    My Moment has taken a beating.

    I know I'll get some flaming on my Ells, but I've put my Moment thru the ringer and it is still going strong. Just reworked it witha 66SL and some Spinergy Enduros and it is right at 30 lbs, done some 6ft to flat and about 8ft to tranny and it has taken it. (But probably not recommended). I'm also 200lbs.

    I also use it as my everyday trailbike and have done 3 plus hour rides on it.

    It's a good ride despite everone's opinion of Tony.

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    Do you really need to get a new bike? Sounds like you're not getting into heavy DH (especially since you're pedaling to places) so perhaps you can beef up your Prophet [cranks/stem/shocks/hubs]? I'm currently doing that to mine, and am confident I'll be able to handle most northern CA trails with the exception of the Tahoe area lift venues (N*, Mammoth). Just a thought (which I imagine you've entertained though)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Do you really need to get a new bike? Sounds like you're not getting into heavy DH (especially since you're pedaling to places) so perhaps you can beef up your Prophet [cranks/stem/shocks/hubs]? I'm currently doing that to mine, and am confident I'll be able to handle most northern CA trails with the exception of the Tahoe area lift venues (N*, Mammoth). Just a thought (which I imagine you've entertained though)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Do you really need to get a new bike? Sounds like you're not getting into heavy DH (especially since you're pedaling to places) so perhaps you can beef up your Prophet [cranks/stem/shocks/hubs]? I'm currently doing that to mine, and am confident I'll be able to handle most northern CA trails with the exception of the Tahoe area lift venues (N*, Mammoth). Just a thought (which I imagine you've entertained though)!

    That's a good idea. My buddy has a Prophet MX, The Cut series. DHX air, Talas RC2, 50mm stem, Atomlab Pimp wheelset, Specialized Chunder tires. He shreds that thing everywhere. Auburn, Downieville, you name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Do you really need to get a new bike? Sounds like you're not getting into heavy DH (especially since you're pedaling to places) so perhaps you can beef up your Prophet [cranks/stem/shocks/hubs]? I'm currently doing that to mine, and am confident I'll be able to handle most northern CA trails with the exception of the Tahoe area lift venues (N*, Mammoth). Just a thought (which I imagine you've entertained though)!
    What sort of components you looking to put on yours Kev?

    The Prophet is my only ride at the moment - everything form hour long blasts to 60 mile point to point races - so don't really want to 'heavy' her up too much. But, point taken.

    Anyone with experience of a coil on a prophet?

    At the moment looking at a couple of options - a 'dale Gemini or a Kona Stinky (around the 03/04 vintage).

    LBS has a new 05 Gemini at a very reduced price - trouble is its a large (at 5' 9" probably way too big - but gee its tempting)

    Anyways - should probably enjoy what i got for the moment - and hey, 'dale has a lifetime g on the frame - so what have i got to lose?

    Jawry

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    i was thinking of demoing a prophet...not real sure about the lefty max fork though...bet a prophet would do a lot better at all mtn with a good marz fork and decent coil shock...and still be light enough to ride everywhere...ah, but the shock may be a wierd size i2i, does anybody know it off hand?
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    I'm always a big fan of the Reign myself... My Fuel EX8 has been flawless too, I guess its debatable whether or not it would be considered an AM, but it is a 5" bike and its pretty burly. Its held up awesome.
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    Shock lenght

    Quote Originally Posted by adamantane
    i was thinking of demoing a prophet...not real sure about the lefty max fork though...bet a prophet would do a lot better at all mtn with a good marz fork and decent coil shock...and still be light enough to ride everywhere...ah, but the shock may be a wierd size i2i, does anybody know it off hand?
    200mm I2I 50 mm stroke.
    Prophet benefits from a progressive, shock so look for a coil with bottom out adjustment like the swinger coil.

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    Well, let's see...

    - Just added an e.13 bash with 36T ring; took out the 44T replaced the middle and kept the granny.
    - Adding 31.8 2" riser bars and stem (Deity).
    - Will add an MRP Bones crank.
    - Will add Juciy 5 brakeset with 203 up front and 185 in back.
    - Will replace wheelset (including hubs).
    - Will replace shocks.
    - Got CB 5050XX platform pedals.

    Basically, I'm replacing all the components; which is why I originally got the bottom-of-the-line Prophet (I'd rather choose my upgrades than Cannondale).

    Granted, I push uphill most the time rather than pedal; so weight isn't a big concern for me. I'm using this bike to build up DH skills and then will purchase a true DH bike next season. That said, a Gemini may be a good purchase for you - especially since they run cheap, and it's not an "overkill" DH bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by jawry
    What sort of components you looking to put on yours Kev?

    The Prophet is my only ride at the moment - everything form hour long blasts to 60 mile point to point races - so don't really want to 'heavy' her up too much. But, point taken.

    Anyone with experience of a coil on a prophet?

    At the moment looking at a couple of options - a 'dale Gemini or a Kona Stinky (around the 03/04 vintage).

    LBS has a new 05 Gemini at a very reduced price - trouble is its a large (at 5' 9" probably way too big - but gee its tempting)

    Anyways - should probably enjoy what i got for the moment - and hey, 'dale has a lifetime g on the frame - so what have i got to lose?

    Jawry

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    Well the coilair and the heckler and the prophet all have basically the same amout of travel... next set would w/o getting into a DH rig would be a Nomad or a Bullit or something of that level, about 160mm. or like what was said before beff up the prophet, I bet a 36 Talas would work out sweet on that bike.

    good luck

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    I've had a reign and now have a Intense 6.6. For the money the reign was awesome, but if you have the cash the 6.6 is as good as it gets. Pedals great and is burly on the downs. Also has a much higher wow factor

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    i ride an 05 enduro s-works frame with a 454 coil pike. its 31 lbs and pedals like a beast with handlebar mounted compression adjust

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