I'm thinking about picking up one of the new Blue Pigs (as soon as CRC has them in stock), but I was wondering about the headtube angle. When looking through the pdf of ragleys site. It claims the "static" head-tune angle (unsagged) is 65.6 degrees.
I know people will say that the bike isn't at the "static" settings when you ride it and blah blah blah.
ANYHOW, I was looking at the bikes over at On-One and the Summer Seasons head tube angle is 65.5 (so the angles listed are basically the same for both bikes)
What I'm curious about is if the On-One geometry is listed as sagged or not. I've ridden a friend Summer Season, and while it's a cool bike, the head-tube angel is WAY to slack for midwest riding.
If someone could fill me in that'd be great. I'd love to get a new ragley, but if it's as slack as the Summer Season, I may have to look elsewhere.
I'm thinking about picking up one of the new Blue Pigs (as soon as CRC has them in stock), but I was wondering about the headtube angle. When looking through the pdf of ragleys site. It claims the "static" head-tune angle (unsagged) is 65.6 degrees.
I know people will say that the bike isn't at the "static" settings when you ride it and blah blah blah.
ANYHOW, I was looking at the bikes over at On-One and the Summer Seasons head tube angle is 65.5 (so the angles listed are basically the same for both bikes)
What I'm curious about is if the On-One geometry is listed as sagged or not. I've ridden a friend Summer Season, and while it's a cool bike, the head-tube angel is WAY to slack for midwest riding.
If someone could fill me in that'd be great. I'd love to get a new ragley, but if it's as slack as the Summer Season, I may have to look elsewhere.
The SS comes out at 66.6 (no really) with a sagged 130mm Revelation (the old one)
The Pig comes out around 67.5 with a sagged 140mm fork, roughly 1 deg steeper. Running a zero stack lower headset cup on the 2011 Pigs will steepen it up (very) slightly more as well.
I'd get the transam. I have the Blue Pig, and it is a huge upgrade from the bike I was coming from. It is really nimble, flickable and excels in pointing the bike downward. That being said, it isn't the most efficient climber. I haven't taken it on any really tough climbs, but the front end seems to come up rather easily, which is fine for me, more manuals
Based on numbers, it always seemed like this would be the case. However, I know Grant has mentioned he designed them for "winch-up climbs" and it seems like it works for them. Maybe you need to adjust your climbing style or change the bike setup a little? I'm still on the fence. For the Pigs, I love the idea of a steeper STA but i'm a little nervous about the super slack HTA. I'm thinking the Dialled Alpine looks very interesting. That or the Orange P7. Then again, both of those bike are much more $$$ than the Pig or 456....
Looooooove my Summer Season.
Adjustable travel fork is a must if you're planning on doing any noticeable amount of climbing.
From the first ride (150mm fork) she's faster downhill than my prophet, only a little harder on the way up
(and that's running her 1x9, my prophet is 2x9)
I believe the On-One numbers are with a static 120mm fork - not sure why 120mm. They are about 1 degree slacker than the pig and the pig is about one degree slacker than the regular 456.
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