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    Grippiest combination of flat pedals/shoes for AM riding.

    Maybe this has been discussed before but,
    what is the grippiest combination of flat pedals/shoes for AM riding?
    I have just recently injured my ACL and PCL most probably by not unclipping, in time.

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    There have been alot of post about this but I have 2 bikes with flats on them, One is with the Kona Wah Wah's and the other is a Forte. Both have pins on them but most importantly are the shoes and nothing beats the 5-10's for being sticky with a stiff sole. I got mine from Zappo's, they offer free shipping and free return if they don't fit. For me the 5-10's were true to size, a little wide but when you are riding on a hot day it is good to have room for sweaty feet.
    Still learning how to keep the rubber side down.

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    Actually I am thinking of this combo:
    Tioga Surefoot MX Pro + Five Ten Karver Freeride

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    Has anyone had any recent experience with either of those?
    Any advice for a newbie attempting to go to flats for MTB after 6 years on SPDs?

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    If you want the best flat pedals get the point one racing podium pedals. Look em up. Or a nice set of DMR's and definetly go 5-10 on the shoes. Unless the pros are sponsored by another company all of them will wear 5-10's.

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    i have DMR Vaults and 510s........amazing. large and grippy.

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    Really if you are wearing a pair of 5.10's you can use any descent pedals. Just make sure you get a pair of flats with replaceable pins and sealed barings. Honestly I've used about every type of flat sole shoe and tons of different flats with different pin length combos but no shoe comes close to 5.10 for grip. I currently have freeriders and the impacts. The impacts are a bit bulkier but are a bit stiffer so coming straight from clips you might like that about them as the freerider is more like a skate shoe and you can feel your foot rap around the peddals a bit more, I also kind of like that for some types of riding. If you have a good shop around there you can go try some on or if not and you're like me go to a good out door store try on the 5.10 approach/hiking shoe. The sizes are the same and then order a pair or two from zappos.com, they have a great return policy. The pedals really depend on how much you worry about weight and how much money you have to spend. You want to make sure the pedal is concave a bit and the thinner the better as it will reduce rock stricks. good luck, welcome to the flats nation! you'll never want to go back!

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    The 5 10 impact is the grip king, but it is heavy and clunky. I really like the Teva link shoe, the sole is awesome and the shoe is really well built and designed.
    For Pedals, I would avoid the Point One Podiums for AM stuff with lots of pedaling. They are a fantastic pedal in terms of grip and feel, but they are slow like molasses. I am not sure if its the bearings, or the fact that the sole of your shoe brushes against the pedal spindle, but in climbing and pedaling situations they put up a lot of resistance. I consider them downhill only, which is what they were designed for.

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    Thanks for the suggestions guys, keep 'em coming.
    I will definitely have a look on the 5.10 impacts.
    My old 6 y.o., rock climbing shoes are 5.10s and they still grip as hell on limestone!

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    5-10 Impacts and Kona Wah Wahs.

    I'm using Spank Spike's now with 5-10 impacts they are good too.
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    I'm getting great grip and feel from my Wellgo MG1s with 8mm pins and 5 10 freeriders. On a side note the MG1s have a slightly smaller platform but they work great for me as i have smaller feet! would not recomend for people with larger feet. but like everyone else 5 10s are the way to go.

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    If you really want grip, don't use more than 4 or 5 pins. Long pins, at the furthest points away from each other on the pedal. Then it won't really matter what shoe you're using.

    I noticed this when going from my MG1s to my Deity Compound pedals. Since then, I have removed the 3 center pins from the MG1.
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    Straitline pedals. They have a ridiculous amount of grip with pins so sharp a mere brush of your leg and you're bleeding.To me it feels like I could learn how to spin with these pedals and I am horrible at it. They hold on to my Shimano MP66 shoes which are a rigid sole spd shoe. I'll probably move on to some regular skate shoes to try out a soft soled shoe before I spend $100+ on 5.10s and the like.

    I also have a persistent knee injury with similar damage and the grip on the pedals doesn't agitate it. The size of the pedal also helps with that too, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle2834 View Post
    If you really want grip, don't use more than 4 or 5 pins. Long pins, at the furthest points away from each other on the pedal. Then it won't really matter what shoe you're using.

    I noticed this when going from my MG1s to my Deity Compound pedals. Since then, I have removed the 3 center pins from the MG1.
    I agree with this, fewer longer pins make a big difference. That being said, apparently pin shape can also make a big difference too. Specialized has been experimenting with pins with edges that apparently don't need to be long to have tons of grip. I think thats why the straitlines are so good, they have edgy pins.

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    I use 5-10s and lo pro mag pedals by specialized. never was a clipless fan, and the pair of SPDs i have on my road bike irritates my knee issue more than flats.

    i like the lo pro mags, though i wish the pins were a tad longer. but i think they are the type you can get in a hardware store.

    also woudl like to add, if you are choosing between spending more money on pedals or shoes, i'd say 5'10s work even with crappier pedals. i would spend more on the shoes, but thats my opinion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lipster94 View Post
    If you want the best flat pedals get the point one racing podium pedals. Look em up. Or a nice set of DMR's and definetly go 5-10 on the shoes. Unless the pros are sponsored by another company all of them will wear 5-10's.
    This. The Point Ones are a large platform tho and grip my 5.10's a lil' TOO good for my narrow feet. Diety Decoy's are still my faves tho since I can reposition my feet easier on their smaller platforms (sometimes you actually can have too much grip!).

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    It's been said before but like others I think 5-10 shoes with any reputable flat pedal will serve you well. I have used less expensive Wellgo pedals and higher priced Crank Bros and they both worked well with the shoes. I was a long time clipless rider and went with the flats for days that I went to the bike park. That was two seasons ago and I actually haven't switched back since.

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    I just got some Premium Slim Pedals from Dans Comp (BMX site), they are fantastic with my 5 10 Impact 2's. Highly recommend!!

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    "welcome to the flats nation! you'll never want to go back! "

    ^ I love it, people give me crap all the time about when I am going to upgrade and go clipless, there is a movement going on with flats. I also agree with alot of what has been said here, you can't go wrong with just about any pedal but go for the 5-10's, I have the Sam Hills and they are a bit heavy but really good when you do have to hike a bike.
    Still learning how to keep the rubber side down.

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    I wear 5.10's on Dark Cycles Arachnid pedals. Most wicked pedal out there....
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    Can anyone here compare 5.10 performance with a shoe like the FOX default that pops up on chainlove often (or any other cheaper shoe for that matter). I only ask be cause i do a more tame amount of riding, xc mostly and pushing my limits with the rest at the local ski hill each time i go, but i cant justify the cost of 5.10's, yet my beat up nike sb's are starting to slip more and more...

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    Five Ten perfected sticky rubber a long time ago. As we say in climbing: (Spread your legs and) trust the rubber. You know this.

    Point One Podium and Canfield Crampon are my go-to pedals. Thin flats have epic stability. Agree with morandi on the pedal-ability (of both my faves). Both a bit wide for tight rock gardens/obstructions, but way less likely to roll on tech uphills. DMR Mag V12 is a great pedal, but not too thin. Super all around performance and easily serviceable.

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    I love my Five Tens with Shimano MX30 DX pedals. IMHO its the best combination out there. The shoes seem to fit perfect in the pedals. I have tried lots of other pedals, but keep going back to the Shimano's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp806 View Post
    Actually I am thinking of this combo:
    Tioga Surefoot MX Pro + Five Ten Karver Freeride

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    Has anyone had any recent experience with either of those?
    Any advice for a newbie attempting to go to flats for MTB after 6 years on SPDs?
    I have been using that shoe off and on for 5+ months and it's great for protection, super sticky on multiple flats, but SO F'n HOT! Granted I ride in hot weather here in AZ, but my feet feel like they are on fire in these shoes, especially when climbing a lot.

    I will be keeping them though, and using them for DH and cold weather riding.

    Keep your heels pointed down when your not pedaling; That's was the biggest thing that helped me in the transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyle_vk View Post
    Can anyone here compare 5.10 performance with a shoe like the FOX default that pops up on chainlove often (or any other cheaper shoe for that matter). I only ask be cause i do a more tame amount of riding, xc mostly and pushing my limits with the rest at the local ski hill each time i go, but i cant justify the cost of 5.10's, yet my beat up nike sb's are starting to slip more and more...
    I've never rode with FOX but I have rode with just about every other skate shoe company out there and they are all good to begin with but after a month or so you need to get a new pair. You can make them last by only wearing them to ride but in the long run you will spend the same money just not all at once. 5.10's performance is worth the money. You can wear them around town and then hike a bike and still sticks like glue. The new teva's are good too, but I'm not sure on the durability yet as I haven't used them a whole season but they aren't as stiff. they are more similar to the Freerider.

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    I use es' skate shoes with a grid pattern on the bottom, their pretty much fine for messing around plus they aren't that hot, skeptical about how they'd do off-road though.... xD

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    i also tried the shimano bmx shoes. they were sticky, but still not quite as much as the 5'10s. yes, 5'10s are pricy, but i did waht i could to scour the interwebs looking for the best deal. i was able to shave 30 dollars off.

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    Five 10s yes, but it's all about pin length, lots of short pins seem to make the pedals sticky, but longer pins seem to make them more grippy even if there are fewer pins, am I making sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lew242 View Post
    Five 10s yes, but it's all about pin length, lots of short pins seem to make the pedals sticky, but longer pins seem to make them more grippy even if there are fewer pins, am I making sense?
    How do you mean that, please elaborate.
    Pedal grip and stickiness isn't the same thing?

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    I think he is talking about how hard it is to adjust your foot placement on the pedal with tons of short pins. Longer pins grip just as hard with fewer pins because they go deeper into the shoe tread. That's my understanding anyway.

    My shoes right now are just "normal" rubber outsoles. When I do move up to 5.10's or the new Teva's I am going to remove 3-5 pins on my pedals if the sticky rubber claims are true. I don't doubt that they are, I just need to have first hand experience with the shoes to figure out what best works for me. I also hope that the Straitline pins don't tear up the soles as fast as they have on my DXs. Does anyone mind posting up a pic of a well used 5.10 sole?

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    If you are new to flats, I think you will benefit from a thin pedal, no thicker than 17mm. That will reduce pedal roll and give you more stability. The MG1s are great cheap pedals, but I get occasional pedal roll that I never got on my Xpeedo 17mm. Furthermore, you will end up with more pedal strikes on flats than on clips due to the larger platform. This was the cause of my first clips to flats crash after not riding flats for while. I'm getting some Spanks Spikes. If I were new to flats and did not want to spend too much, I would get these for $53 shipped (they are Deity Decoys under the mfr name):
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerRick View Post
    "welcome to the flats nation! you'll never want to go back! "

    ^ I love it, people give me crap all the time about when I am going to upgrade and go clipless, there is a movement going on with flats. I also agree with alot of what has been said here, you can't go wrong with just about any pedal but go for the 5-10's, I have the Sam Hills and they are a bit heavy but really good when you do have to hike a bike.
    lol how true, i was a long time clipless rider. now i ride flats for everything, will never go back. use 5-10's with kona jack sh-i-t primo here... though there are so many new slim pedals out there...
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    i dont see clipless as an "upgrade" seems more like personal preference to me. i had a short stint with clipless but it always felt unnatural and i didnt like the hassle of unclipping and it made me ride different...like in a strait jacket. not to mention, i've had some surgeries that make parts of me more "vulnerable" so i like knowing i can crash more gracefully on flats.

    but i get what you mean, people are kind of judgemental about things like that.

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    I've been using the new Teva Pinner for about two months now. They are really freakin' good on my Kona Jack Sh*t and my DMR V8 pedals. I wear them daily, wear is non-existent so far despite several times a week trail rides, one lift serve weekend, and general use. I would highly recommend them.

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    i use five tens and twenty6 pedals. very very grippy pedals. Twenty6 Products Prerunner Pedal - Cromoly from Hucknroll.com . but pins are pricey to replace.

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    A quick search on the forum would have gotten you the answer, this question comes up every week.

    Grippiest pedal I have used are the Straitlines, grippiest shoes are 5.10s. Of course, you can get ample grip without going to the extremes, any decent pinned pedal that has been mentioned so far would work and any decent skate shoe can give good grip with a good pedal.

    More than anything, switching to flats after clipless takes some time to adjust to.
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    I thoroughly enjoy my five ten freeriders and straitline Defacto's (what the older ones are now called) and have been for at least six months now.

    +1 to everyone who uses the search button

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp806
    How do you mean that, please elaborate.
    Pedal grip and stickiness isn't the same thing?
    Sticky hmm maybe...

    Grippy, hmm maybe...


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    Seems a lot of people like the 5 10 shoe. Never tried them. I use crappy shoes and the
    Specialized LO Pro Mag 2 pedals, never had an issue with slipping. I think good pedals are very important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    A quick search on the forum would have gotten you the answer, this question comes up every week.

    More than anything, switching to flats after clipless takes some time to adjust to.
    Zebrahum, I did search the forum thoroughly prior to posting this thread and the results varied a lot.
    Actually I have found in previous threads that Straitline flats are mediocre and way too heavy for their price point.
    Perhaps though due to the wealth of information I could have created a poll, but anyway.

    Thanks for all the info guys. So far for shoes I have chosen 5.10 Impact Highs
    Now I am still looking for good grippy low profile reasonable value flat pedals.
    What do you think of the e13 LG1R flat pedals?

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    Those look sick but here is a great pedal at a really good price
    Spank Spike Pedals at JensonUSA.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp806 View Post
    Zebrahum, I did search the forum thoroughly prior to posting this thread and the results varied a lot.
    Actually I have found in previous threads that Straitline flats are mediocre and way too heavy for their price point.
    You didn't ask what everyone's favorite pedal was, you didn't ask what was the thinnest pedal, you didn't ask what cool colors pedals come in, you asked what was the grippiest.pedal was. You got your answer, with 14 pins per side the Straitlines are one of the grippiest pedals you can buy. No they are not the lightest pedal or the thinnest, but anyone who says they are mediocre has never actually rode them. They are bombproof, easily rebuildable, and the quality is absolute top notch.

    Or maybe if you had actually read through any of the literal dozens of threads about pedals you would already know all this. Instead you decide to skim them and decide that you can claim you read all the information out there. You have been suggested the search function because all the information you need to make an informed decision is already present in topics that come up weekly.
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    Ease up on the OP and tell him to just go get some 5.10's and Arachnids man!



    They'll set you back $150.00 but they are super nasty looking and perform even better.....

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    I also have Dark Cycle Arachnids, as well as Blackspire Sub-4's.

    The grip on the Arachnids is unbelievable, almost too much. You can not change foot postion without lifting your foot. ( with 5.10 Impact Low ) Nice large platform as well. I have not tried removing centre pins to lessen the grip and aid in foot repostioning, but am going to give it a go.

    The Sub-4's are nice and light, very open and don't pack with mud. Platform is a bit smaller (9cmX9cm) and they don't have anywhere near the grip. Grip is still more than adequate and you can slightly change your foot postion witout taking it fully off the pedal. There have been a couple of reports of cracking near the spindle - they are fairly slim. I have had no problems and am over 200 and have used them lift riding.

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    one issue i do have which sometimes makes me want to be clipped in (but there are many MORE reasons why i'm glad i'm not) is that while the grip is great with good shoes and flats, i still occasionally have the "bounce" where i lose my footing and my shoe is crooked and i have to scramble to find the spot again. not easy with 510s because you cant twist.
    the good thing though, is that you never really slip off the side, and i've never slipped while climbing either. there is a little bit of pull-up with good sticky shoes which is nice.

    i just wish i could stay better when i hit a sudden bouncy straight patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    i just wish i could stay better when i hit a sudden bouncy straight patch.
    Try dropping your heels while you ride through the bumpy stuff. I picked that up from the Fabien Barel AM skills video.
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    yeah, i already do that on downhills, but sometimes harder to do on straightaways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    You didn't ask what everyone's favorite pedal was, you didn't ask what was the thinnest pedal, you didn't ask what cool colors pedals come in, you asked what was the grippiest.pedal was. You got your answer, with 14 pins per side the Straitlines are one of the grippiest pedals you can buy. No they are not the lightest pedal or the thinnest, but anyone who says they are mediocre has never actually rode them. They are bombproof, easily rebuildable, and the quality is absolute top notch.

    Or maybe if you had actually read through any of the literal dozens of threads about pedals you would already know all this. Instead you decide to skim them and decide that you can claim you read all the information out there. You have been suggested the search function because all the information you need to make an informed decision is already present in topics that come up weekly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    No they are not the lightest pedal or the thinnest, but anyone who says they are mediocre has never actually rode them. They are bombproof, easily rebuildable, and the quality is absolute top notch.

    Or maybe if you had actually read through any of the literal dozens of threads about pedals you would already know all this. Instead you decide to skim them and decide that you can claim you read all the information out there. You have been suggested the search function because all the information you need to make an informed decision is already present in topics that come up weekly.
    It's OK zebrahum, thank you for your suggestion.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, what works for one may or may not work for another person, fair enough.

    PS. I never implied that I read all the results returned by the search, only the most relevant ones. I have been following/reading mtbr.com since 1998, so trust me I know how to/have used the search function.
    There's no need to be condescending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    one issue i do have which sometimes makes me want to be clipped in (but there are many MORE reasons why i'm glad i'm not) is that while the grip is great with good shoes and flats, i still occasionally have the "bounce" where i lose my footing and my shoe is crooked and i have to scramble to find the spot again. not easy with 510s because you cant twist.
    the good thing though, is that you never really slip off the side, and i've never slipped while climbing either. there is a little bit of pull-up with good sticky shoes which is nice.

    i just wish i could stay better when i hit a sudden bouncy straight patch.
    Do you get out of the saddle when you are hitting rough stuff? and keep youre feet heave (weight on your feet) heels dropped and hands light, that will help a ton. It keeps your feet planted but some times you just get bounced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp806 View Post
    It's OK zebrahum, thank you for your suggestion.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, what works for one may or may not work for another person, fair enough.

    PS. I never implied that I read all the results returned by the search, only the most relevant ones. I have been following/reading mtbr.com since 1998, so trust me I know how to/have used the search function.
    There's no need to be condescending.
    My apologies, sometimes I get carried away.
    Don't you hate it when a sentence doesn't end the way you think it octopus?

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