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    New question here. Greetings and an apparently odd request

    Hi everyone. I'm new here.
    Right off the bat, I apologize if this is in the wrong place, but I need some advice.

    I'll start by describing the kind of riding I enjoy.

    I like to go to the top of things and then ape down as fast as I can. I come from a BMX background and that means I want something maneuverable that I can throw around and do tricks on. I don't like full sus because it just feels wrong to me. I'm not busting gigantic 50ft drops and I like fairly fat tires at a lowish PSI. I feel like this gives me the best of both world of slippiness when needed and grippiness over loose stuff. I am after something Single Speed and that I can just enjoy.

    I would like to avoid a high price tag, because I'd like to buy something ASAP and start having fun on it.

    I will also need a full-face helmet, probably. I have knee/elbow pads.

    Rear discs would be nice, but not vital.

    I live in South Africa and I usually encounter stuff that is pretty dry and loose, but around the next corner could be a freakin' muddy patch. I just want something to have fun on, nothing amazingly competitive.

    Any advice would be lovely. I have included a pic of something I thought would be good, but I am not sure.

    26" or bigger for sure.


    Thanks in advance for what I'm sure will be great advice.


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    are you wanting to buy a complete bike? if yes, might be hard for you to find what you are looking for unless you buy used. there may be SS "all mountain" bikes complete but I'm not sure.

    maybe check out On One bikes and see if they offer a 456 evo SS complete build. would probably be your best price option

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    Thanks mate.

    Used is fine, but usually people hate shipping used stuff to SA. I am looking for a complete because customs just take so much time to build and I tend to feel a bit too "precious" about them, if you follow.

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    You make no mention of a budget so I'm just going to throw this out there. Based on what you've described it could be your dream bike.

    The Niner ROS 9 2 Star Single Speed

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    It's a slack, steel, single speed. $2899
    The cake is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubikeman View Post
    The Niner ROS 9 2 Star Single Speed
    Ahoy. Yes, that would be ideal, but I'd like a lower standover height. More Dj style, maybe. I want to be able to get over the seat and TT easily for things like Cancans and stuff.

    I did say "I would like to avoid a high price tag, because I'd like to buy something ASAP and start having fun on it."

    That was my euphemistic way of saying please keep the price low!

    I don't have much money to throw around.

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    My ns surge has been fantastic for providing that bmx playful feel and yet performs great on any xc trail. Thats one of the main reasons for purchasing it other than being less than 300 for the frame. It makes relatively boring trails alot more fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by R2ana View Post
    My ns surge has been fantastic for providing that bmx playful feel and yet performs great on any xc trail. Thats one of the main reasons for purchasing it other than being less than 300 for the frame. It makes relatively boring trails alot more fun!
    +1 for the Surge. Love mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R2ana View Post
    My ns surge has been fantastic for providing that bmx playful feel and yet performs great on any xc trail. Thats one of the main reasons for purchasing it other than being less than 300 for the frame. It makes relatively boring trails alot more fun!

    That's more the style. Good shout. Wanna sell it to me? Haha.

    I am not at this level, but this is the kind of stuff I wind up trying to do (around 56s is a guy aping and flowing):
    Best of Freeride Downhill - MTB - YouTube

    And this stuff:
    Freeride Mountain Biking in BC - YouTube



    I try on my BMX but I generally hang up the bigger ruts and rocks and eat poop. That's why I want 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulsan View Post
    +1 for the Surge. Love mine.
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    Evil sovereign or similar sounds like what you're looking for. Good luck tracking one down though... you see them come up on the used market now and then:
    Example: 2012 Evil Sovereign - Pinkbike

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    lol. The Surge is an interesting breed. There are a few others that fit in the mold of being somewhere in between a DJ and your standard hardtail AM. Identiti used to make one (the "AKA," I believe). The On-One 456 might also be something to look at (as someone else suggested) as I believe you can order one complete. I've never seen a Surge offered complete outside of maybe a used one on ebay or something. Also sounds like maybe a DJ frame would be right up your alley if you're still cranking around on a bmx. Last I checked, chainreactioncycles seemed to have a good selection of completes. I bought an Octane One Zircus frame from them for about $200 and built it up and its been a solid frame.

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    Also, chaps... I'm 187cm tall.... so probably 6ft3ish.

    What frame size do I need?

    On my BMX I'm running 21.5" with a 57mm stem. That's huge for a BMX.

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    The problem with most DJ frames is that the tiny seat tubes they have do not give proper extension for seated climbing. A large v1 sov will work for people up to about 5'10" or 6' seated.

    You might try a Transition TransAM:
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    Due to my BMX background, seated climbing isn't a thing.

    I either stand and climb, or hike, or I drive to the top of the stuff I want to ride down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef O'blique View Post
    Due to my BMX background, seated climbing isn't a thing.

    I either stand and climb, or hike, or I drive to the top of the stuff I want to ride down.
    Do you sit to pedal for anything? If not, a hardtail, slackish head angle (69ish), short seat tube, 4-5" fork should do the trick, a roomy toptube might help (23"+) but given the bmx background of 21" tt, anything could work .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dump View Post
    Do you sit to pedal for anything? If not, a hardtail, slackish head angle (69ish), short seat tube, 4-5" fork should do the trick, a roomy toptube might help (23"+) but given the bmx background of 21" tt, anything could work .
    I never sit. I find it uncomfortable and a bit unswishy. I realize I keep inventing words but I like to be able to flow the bike over stuff. Sitting makes that harder.

    I'm interested in your suggestion. Do you have any examples?

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    the bike you posted in your picture looks about right. The transition bank is another good example:
    Transition Bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by dump View Post
    the bike you posted in your picture looks about right. The transition bank is another good example:
    Transition Bikes
    I like that, but I don't like gears. Gears make me unhappy. Single speed makes me very happy.

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    Hope

    This looks dirty sexy:

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    And so does this:
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    Yeah, forgot about you wanting to run single speed. Transition still has you covered:
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    Fireeye Flame, NS Surge, Santa Cruz Chameleon all fit the bill for single speed fun flickable bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef O'blique View Post
    I never sit. I find it uncomfortable and a bit unswishy. I realize I keep inventing words but I like to be able to flow the bike over stuff. Sitting makes that harder.

    I'm interested in your suggestion. Do you have any examples?
    unswishy...no idea what that means but i like it

    Anyways, someone already cautioned you on the seat tube/climbing issue and you said it doesnt matter. I would just say, though, that there are some frames like this that still have pretty great low standover but give you just enough seat tube to climb, so you may not need to compromise too much...like the surge for example. Jus sayin' sometime before youre ready to replace the frame you might decide you want to go for an XC ride with some new biking buddies or something...

    Also, it sounds like you want to use this to ride fast downhill. Personally, I would want a frame designed around a 120-130mm fork rather than 80-100mm for that use. I only mention it since a lot of the dj/street bikes youre posting are usually one or the other.

    It is definitely fun to ride those sort of bikes on MTB trails; the only problem is the more you do it the more you realize you can still have the same kindof fun on the right MTB frame but then have so much more versatility for more involved rides, too.

    Good luck and post up results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    unswishy...no idea what that means but i like it

    Anyways, someone already cautioned you on the seat tube/climbing issue and you said it doesnt matter. I would just say, though, that there are some frames like this that still have pretty great low standover but give you just enough seat tube to climb, so you may not need to compromise too much...like the surge for example. Jus sayin' sometime before youre ready to replace the frame you might decide you want to go for an XC ride with some new biking buddies or something...

    Also, it sounds like you want to use this to ride fast downhill. Personally, I would want a frame designed around a 120-130mm fork rather than 80-100mm for that use. I only mention it since a lot of the dj/street bikes youre posting are usually one or the other.

    It is definitely fun to ride those sort of bikes on MTB trails; the only problem is the more you do it the more you realize you can still have the same kindof fun on the right MTB frame but then have so much more versatility for more involved rides, too.

    Good luck and post up results!
    Good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    unswishy...no idea what that means but i like it

    Anyways, someone already cautioned you on the seat tube/climbing issue and you said it doesnt matter. I would just say, though, that there are some frames like this that still have pretty great low standover but give you just enough seat tube to climb, so you may not need to compromise too much...like the surge for example. Jus sayin' sometime before youre ready to replace the frame you might decide you want to go for an XC ride with some new biking buddies or something...

    Also, it sounds like you want to use this to ride fast downhill. Personally, I would want a frame designed around a 120-130mm fork rather than 80-100mm for that use. I only mention it since a lot of the dj/street bikes youre posting are usually one or the other.

    It is definitely fun to ride those sort of bikes on MTB trails; the only problem is the more you do it the more you realize you can still have the same kindof fun on the right MTB frame but then have so much more versatility for more involved rides, too.

    Good luck and post up results!
    Thanks bud. That sounds like great advice.

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