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    Is Giant Trance considered an all mountain bike?

    And if there are some owners feel free to tell me how you like the bike!

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    Not by today standards, but the chainstay is very well built and with proper wheels and fork it can take a lot of abuse. Great bike I just wish I had gone with the Large top tube is sort of short and Iīm starting to like longer top tube with a very short stem.

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    No, but I built a Reign, which I love.

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    A Trance X? I'd wager to say yes, or at least on the edge, whereas the reign overlaps and edges towards freeride/park/SS/mini DH more.
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    2013 and earlier, probably not, but certainly tougher than your average XC bike. However, the 2014's would most certainly be "all mountain"; especially the trance SX.
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    Thanks guys!

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    Why do I hate this f%$#ing question?

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    I don't know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Why do I hate this f%$#ing question?
    1. Bikes shouldn't be pigeonholed

    2. what exactly is the difference between trail and all-mountain... if you point down for more than 10 seconds at a time, it has to be AM and not trail.. right?


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    Really? Do we have to define every aspect of riding to that level??

    I have a friend that pounds his Trance (not Trance X mind you) harder than most people ride their Nomads/Mojos, and it's holding up completely fine. He just rides with a lot of finesse, rather than blindly ham-fisting/plowing his way through everything. 2+ years later and the bike is still in excellent shape. It's most definitely an AM bike, albeit leaning to the lighter, more climbey side. Is the Trance as capable as a Nomad? No. But is is capable of handling 95% of the trails the average 'AM' rider would ever want to ride? Most definitely. So you decide if that fits the internet's definition of an AM bike or not. I think it does.


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    Here's the problem with pigeonholing every bike and style of riding into a category: People LOVE to downgrade any bike that's even slightly less burly than their bike. As soon as 6" overtook 5" in popularity, the 5" bike was instantly a feeble, incapable machine. It was downgraded to trail, heavy-duty-xc, or whatever marketing term it is stuck with now. "No, that bike couldn't handle what my new burly bike of radness can handle." Of course bikes do have actual limitations, but most riders don't come close to pushing them. Does artificially limiting a 'lesser' bike's potential prove that they and their bike are so much more hardcore or something? Well if we go along those lines, then guess what peeps? I have a Canfield One, so you're all screwed. It has more travel than your so-called AM bikes, it can handle every terrain feature on earth, and has a sweet metal skull logo on the front. I'm the pimp sauce and you're all WAY less All-Mountain than I am. Don't follow me or your wimpy bikes will all break. Boom.

    It's largely the rider and their technique that determines if a bike can handle certain terrain or not.
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    I don't really think it's an AM bike as currently categorized by manufactures. I think consensus would say it falls into more of a trail bike category. Even that's all subjective anyhow, people do things on bikes that aren't supposedly made for a certain type of terrain all the time. I think the better question you could have asked is: I want to do X,Y,Z will this bike handle it?

    I ride a '11 Trance X and what Rhino said is pretty much spot on. You won't be plowing tech blindly, you will have to finesse your way through bigger stuff. I ride with a few bud's on 6"+ bikes and I just can't plow some of the lines I see them take. I think it's a good climber... I've made some really steep climbs that left bud's saying "how the hell did you make that"... When it's steep and tight, not super techy... is where I think the Trance X shines... it's efficient enough and pretty agile. May be riding style, maybe bike... whatever. I hit some jumps when I see them. I do tend to just roll and pump most of them though. I don't have a super confident feeling once airborne, so I only hit stuff with smooth transitions. Jumps to flat landings are pretty sketchy IMO.

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    ^^ nailed it! Very well said, sir.

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    Many bikes can slide either way. You can build them up with burly parts and big tires or go the other way and make them more lightweight XC bikes. My bike started out at 27 pounds when I bought it and I've got it up to 30 pounds now. It's got a 150mm Rockshox Pike on it, massive 2.35 Schwalbe Hans Dampfs, dropper post, wide bars/short stem, bashguard, etc. I could have gone the next bike up, but why? If you NEED 160-180mm travel for "all mountain" riding, you're doing something wrong. Maybe it's nice to have, but it's not necessary. It's never held me back. That's pretty much bike park and freeride territory and overkill for 95% of trails out there.

    Are there certain tools better for certain jobs? Yes. But that is down to your intended use, which was not specified.

    Though I loathe bike labels and pigeonholing bikes for all the fore-mentioned reasons, I'm more stoked on this "enduro" category of bikes than I ever was on "all mountain bikes" with the endless desire for more travel! more travel! Not because of the label itself, but because the bikes in this new category are truly amazing machines and they really define a "jack of all trades" design philosophy. Bikes that can bomb downhill fast but still climb efficiently...yeah, that sounds more like what we all need. Sounds like a "mountain bike" to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaeckerX1 View Post
    Though I loathe bike labels and pigeonholing bikes for all the fore-mentioned reasons, I'm more stoked on this "enduro" category of bikes than I ever was on "all mountain bikes" with the endless desire for more travel! more travel! Not because of the label itself, but because the bikes in this new category are truly amazing machines and they really define a "jack of all trades" design philosophy. Bikes that can bomb downhill fast but still climb efficiently...yeah, that sounds more like what we all need. Sounds like a "mountain bike" to me.
    Couldn't agree more. A lot of riders aren't realistic with what they need a bike to be capable of. If you're riding DH or bike parks all the time, then by all means get a bike for that, but riding a DH bike on mellow trails and only going to lift access trails once a year is silly IMO. I ride a 140mm travel bike on the same trails guys are riding 180mm travel bikes (and even some riding 8 inch travel DH bikes) on and I have no issues whatsoever. Some of those guys absolutely shred on those bikes, but I can smoke them on climbs. If anything, I would rather have a bike that I have to finesse a little than being able to blast over everything in sight. It makes riding more fun, to me.

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    2011 Giant Trance X3.....200+ lbs rider. Always handles what I throw at it and I have a blast. I love my bike! I never question my bike on where I'm taking it to, I have full confidence that I will always enjoy my ride and not feel like I don't have enough bike.

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    Wow thanks a lot guys! The trance is the perfect bike for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    1. Bikes shouldn't be pigeonholed

    2. what exactly is the difference between trail and all-mountain... if you point down for more than 10 seconds at a time, it has to be AM and not trail.. right?

    1. It's not pigeonholing. It's establishing recommended boundaries and classifying intended usage.

    2. All-mountain includes stunts and features you may find at a bike park. Trail bikes are not built to withstand that abuse on a consistent basis. It isn't a conspiracy to confuse you, and it isn't rocket science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos View Post
    But is is capable of handling 95% of the trails the average 'AM' rider would ever want to ride? Most definitely.

    It's largely the rider and their technique that determines if a bike can handle certain terrain or not.
    If it only handles 95% of what a rider will likely throw at it, then it isn't "all" mountain. There's a major distinction in that 5%. It helps if you're a smooth rider, but gravity is gravity. A 200 pound rider hitting a 10 foot drop will punish his bike whether he's smooth or not. If you do that on a consistent basis, you should get a bike designed to handle it. Just because some pro trials riders ride small cross-country bikes, doesn't mean that they don't run a major risk. I'm sure they replace components and frames on a fairly consistent basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    If it only handles 95% of what a rider will likely throw at it, then it isn't "all" mountain. There's a major distinction in that 5%. It helps if you're a smooth rider, but gravity is gravity. A 200 pound rider hitting a 10 foot drop will punish his bike whether he's smooth or not. If you do that on a consistent basis, you should get a bike designed to handle it.
    Gravity is gravity, but not every rider takes the double black / pro level trails that have the 10 foot drops and necessitate a DH or FR bike.

    Intermediate and advanced trails with zero big air jumps / drops are still gravity. Those trails can easily be ridden on bikes with 4-6" travel. Twenty years ago they were ridden with rigid bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Gravity is gravity, but not every rider takes the double black / pro level trails that have the 10 foot drops and necessitate a DH or FR bike.

    Intermediate and advanced trails with zero big air jumps / drops are still gravity. Those trails can easily be ridden on bikes with 4-6" travel. Twenty years ago they were ridden with rigid bikes.
    Yeah, and those trails without the big air are best ridden on a trail bike like the Trance. All-mountain is meant for bigger things than what people rode with their rigid bikes. People can ride what they want where they want, but there's a reason why bikes are classified, or "pigeonholed". People would be happiest on the proper bike. Why drag around more weight and travel if you don't need it, and why risk destroying your bike by using it in ways it wasn't intended to be? I think I might agree with you on that one...

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    It's mostly down to tire choice and weight IMO. If you put 2.5 Minions on a Trance it would be more capable and more like an AM bike. But it climbs so well why bother? I used to have a 6 inch travel bike weighing a heft running heavy tubes and thick slow rolling knobblies. Yes better on the downs, but getting destroyed by roadies and guys on XC bikes uphill and on the flat fire-trails and roads who are much less fit than me wore pretty thin after a while. These days I shove a fast XC tire on the back and a 2.35 knobby (not soft compound) on the front of my pretty lightweight 5 inch air sprung rig and can have my cake and eat it. Fast everywhere and some air and gnarl too. If I had lots of money I might plum for a carbon or alu lightweight 6 inch bike, but I really don't want to bother with anything over 30lbs if I'm riding up or on the flat.

    May get a 2nd hand coil sprung Freeride monster for other duties, also maybe not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    If it only handles 95% of what a rider will likely throw at it, then it isn't "all" mountain. There's a major distinction in that 5%. It helps if you're a smooth rider, but gravity is gravity. A 200 pound rider hitting a 10 foot drop will punish his bike whether he's smooth or not. If you do that on a consistent basis, you should get a bike designed to handle it. Just because some pro trials riders ride small cross-country bikes, doesn't mean that they don't run a major risk. I'm sure they replace components and frames on a fairly consistent basis.
    Haha. A 10 foot drop is not all mountain. That's free ride if you want to get technical, since you're defining bikes and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaeckerX1 View Post
    Haha. A 10 foot drop is not all mountain. That's free ride if you want to get technical, since you're defining bikes and all.

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    I consider a 10 foot drop to a transition all-mountain. A true all-mountain bike should be able to handle that. If it can't, it's a trail bike. Freeride is bigger than that. Often much bigger. Freeride should be able to handle anything you would consider putting your body through, if you want to get technical and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    I consider a 10 foot drop to a transition all-mountain. A true all-mountain bike should be able to handle that. If it can't, it's a trail bike. Freeride is bigger than that. Often much bigger. Freeride should be able to handle anything you would consider putting your body through, if you want to get technical and all.
    I don't think you are in sync with the industry definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    I consider a 10 foot drop to a transition all-mountain. A true all-mountain bike should be able to handle that. If it can't, it's a trail bike. Freeride is bigger than that. Often much bigger. Freeride should be able to handle anything you would consider putting your body through, if you want to get technical and all.
    This is exactly the problem I was mentioning earlier. So to further the issue, I consider all mountain to be 20 foot drops to a transition. Since you only do 10 foot drops, you should be on a trail bike. US more hardcore people will stick with our 18" travel am bikes and do true all mountain riding.
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    Well, if you've ever seen a mountain bike freeride video, you've probably noticed that they are hitting drops and jumps much larger than 10 feet on freeride bikes. I would think that a 6" bike that's designed to be shuttled at times and be ridden on any trail on a mountain, including stunts, should be able to handle a pretty good sized drop. Look at what people like Wade Simmons and Richie Schley were riding back in the day. My point is, a little common sense should tell you what bike you should be riding. Who knows exactly where the lines are, but an intelligent person that is honest about their riding will know which side to err, if need be. As far as not being in tune with industry definitions, I've seen more than a couple of ads for all-mountain bikes with riders 10 feet in the air. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    1. It's not pigeonholing. It's establishing recommended boundaries and classifying intended usage.

    2. All-mountain includes stunts and features you may find at a bike park. Trail bikes are not built to withstand that abuse on a consistent basis. It isn't a conspiracy to confuse you, and it isn't rocket science.
    Recomended and classified by whom for whom?

    If bike builders had to put a frame out for each category on this site they'd have 20 different frames. Just frustrated here, because I asked a question in a similar thread, and it got instantly pushed aside for, you guessed it, internet dick swinging. And now I'm being that same guy!! Damnit!

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    Recommended and classified by the designers of the bike.

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    This is ridiculous. Those 10 and 20 foot drops require skill and the right conditions. Some of them, if designed correctly, with the correct rider, will not put much stress on a bike. On the other hand, repeatedly dropping to flat concrete over just 5 feet (no transition) can kill a "freeride" bike. You can't judge a bike's "strength" by if you see it doing drops to 10 or 20 feet in a video.
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    Don't fall for "All Mountain" "Freeride" bs. Go test ride all the bikes you can. Rent if you have to. Buy the bike you are most comfortable in. Go out and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    This is ridiculous. Those 10 and 20 foot drops require skill and the right conditions. Some of them, if designed correctly, with the correct rider, will not put much stress on a bike. On the other hand, repeatedly dropping to flat concrete over just 5 feet (no transition) can kill a "freeride" bike. You can't judge a bike's "strength" by if you see it doing drops to 10 or 20 feet in a video.
    No crap. Like I said, common sense goes a long way. By all means, just go out and buy whatever bike comes in the color you want. I'm sure it will fit your riding perfectly, and stand up to whatever abuse you choose to put it through and climb like a 22 pound hardtail. Why pay any attention to the intentions of the engineers who design bikes to excel in particular areas, right? I mean, what do they know. Everybody knows anybody can ride any bike in any situation and by perfectly fine. Heck, a trials champion has a couple of videos riding trials on a road bike. Perhaps we should all ride road bikes. Common sense, people. I know that's asking a lot, here.

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    My regular riding buddy has a 2011 Giant Trance. We ride lots of diamond trails. I think if you like the Trance buy it. It won't disappoint. The only time he bottomed out the fork he dropped 4 feet to near flat. The only thing I would worry about is the front fork flexing a bit if you ride the Trance near it's limit.

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    The OP got a lot more than he bargained for in this thread.

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    God 20 foots drop is considered all mountain!? I just want a bike that can take 4 foots drops so if 10 foot is trail the trance dosen't even feel a 4 foot drop..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Marco View Post
    The OP got a lot more than he bargained for in this thread.
    Lol people are getting crazzzzy!
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    I was just proving a point with that 20' drop post. Everyone likes to feel like a tough guy talking about all the huge drops they can hit, and they like to act as if it ain't no thang. It makes them feel like a good rider.

    The Trance will handle decent drops, provided you have a good landing and aren't ham-fisting everything in sight. If you want a bit more strength/capability, look for a Reign. A bit beefier frame, and an extra inch of travel.
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    Problem with the Reign is that I am going to have a hard time climbing and like I said I will be riding drops of 4 feets MAX so the trance could take that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailrider2013 View Post
    Problem with the Reign is that I am going to have a hard time climbing and like I said I will be riding drops of 4 feets MAX so the trance could take that?
    Yes!!

    The Reign isn't that bad to pedal uphill. Take one for a test ride. It's not a HT 29er but it's a 20 foot huck rig either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailrider2013 View Post
    Problem with the Reign is that I am going to have a hard time climbing and like I said I will be riding drops of 4 feets MAX so the trance could take that?
    Yes, for sure. But know that the Reign does not climb badly AT ALL. It's very comparable to the Trance. The Trance is a tiny bit lighter, and that is the only real difference between them in terms of climbing ability. The suspension systems are very equal in terms of climbing
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    I ride an '11 X1 and love it. But, I keep it to 5-6 foot drops and under (and only to transition on the top end). I'll hit any jump that I am confident that I have the speed to clear the gap and make it to the transition (BMX background). Like others have said, you do need to have some finesse and pick good lines in rough techy DH spots. On smoother stuff like Highland (NH) it rails...that place is like a downhill BMX track in spots and my bike eats it up. It will also hold its own on the "B" lines there on the more difficult trails. With a beefier wheelset (mine is XT), and a 140 fork I'd consider hitting bigger drops but I want my bike in good working order when I am on trail/XC rides.

    All that being said -- is it an all mountain bike? I think so. If I wanted to hit 10 foot drops and not pedal ever then I would buy 7-8inch bike. Seems like there are trade offs either way when trying to define "all mountain".
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    Which Trance are you looking at? 26,29 or the new 650b?
    I think the new Trance is the most "All Mountain" of the three with the slacker HT.
    I'd still test a Reign if I were you. I own an 09 Trance and a 12 Reign and I climb just as slow on both, but I'm MUCH faster and having more fun on the downs with the Reign.

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    God you guys are making my choice even harder now..! :P But since the Trance can take 4 foots drops and is a better climber than the Reign do I realllllly need the extra travel of the Reign? I guess if I fall a couple times and land like a s**t since I'm beginning the Reign would suck it up better.. But I heard that the Reign had a problem with the frame and that it was cracking near the rear suspension is that a specific model/or year? If you guys could help me with that it would be great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikecito View Post
    Which Trance are you looking at? 26,29 or the new 650b?
    I think the new Trance is the most "All Mountain" of the three with the slacker HT.
    I'd still test a Reign if I were you. I own an 09 Trance and a 12 Reign and I climb just as slow on both, but I'm MUCH faster and having more fun on the downs with the Reign.
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    Oh and I forgot to say I ride singletracks and tight corners does one of the two bikes handles that better? And I'm only 110 lbs if that can help.. :P
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    Trance handles better. If you can do lift service DH, consider the Reign. Otherwise it's a clear win for the Trance.

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    Nope I need to climb the mountain before..
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    At the 10ft drop comments,

    I must be too old or my measuring tape is wrong, but having just measured 10 foot vertically, it's pretty bloody big for AM riding, unless the transition is very good and rider is very capable.

    I would think that AM bikes for this type of riding would severely sacrifice all the other attributes that make AM riding fun, particularly heavier wheels and parts to sustain this sort of abuse, resulting in a pig of a bike to ride up the hills and even on the flat.

    Trance SX would be an excellent AM bike, albeit one that doesn't favour down over the ups.

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    Is Giant Trance considered an all mountain bike?

    [QUOTE=Uphill=sad;10602047]At the 10ft drop comments,

    I must be too old or my measuring tape is wrong, but having just measured 10 foot vertically, it's pretty bloody big for AM riding, unless the transition is very good and rider is very capable.
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    Well ya know I've been tellin' my wife 4" is a foot for years... The same probably applies to drops
    I hope you have a big trunk... cause I'm gonna put my bike in it!

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    So...Just to add a little fuel to the fire...

    Does a 26" bike have to have 6" of travel to be considered AM? Where is the line for 650b or 29er's since in theory having the bigger wheel is like extra travel on a FS?
    Let's make like a Bike and get the Huck outta here...

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