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    Fork Gurus, your wisdom please:36vs55vsLyrikvsVengeance

    Hey Guys,

    I have worn out (stanchions and bushes) my 36 Float on my Reign. So I need a replacement. I was happy with the float apart from service intervals and wear issues. I want to consider other contenders. it needs to be 20mm and straight 11/8 steerer. I would prefer an air fork but would consider a coil if the performance outweighed the extra weight. What are your guys opinions. Also if anyone has anything for sale that fits the bill please let me know.

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    You pretty much answered your own question . I like coil over air but its all personal preference. I havent ridden on a fox and dont plan on it. Lyriks are nice , my marzz66 feels amazing ( plusher ) then the lyrik. Ive heard good things about Veng but havent been on it . I would say bite the bullet for the Veng or buy a 55 for cheap and fit it with an Avy kit . Check classifieds here and on PB .

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    What lyrik are you a fan of?

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    Lyrik RC2DH but its only AIR for 2013 unless you can find an older model. But for that price i would try and source a cheap 55 and get an Avy kit in it or just get a Veng fork from all their reviews .

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    I went from a 36 Van to a 55 Micro Ti. It turned out to be a great fork. Very adjustable and very plush. I like it better than the Van. Universal Cycle gives 15% off so the price is also much better than Fox products.

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    I've used a 36, 55 and a Lyrik and based on my experience would rate it as:

    1. 55 RC3 Ti
    2. Lyrik Coil
    3. Fox 36

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    I use a vengeance on my Nomad and a Lyric Solo air on another bike. Have only used Fox 32 and I prefer the vengeance for freeride/downhill. It's a little tall for my liking on the trails. But very stiff and feels smoother than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycje5 View Post
    I use a vengeance on my Nomad and a Lyric Solo air on another bike. Have only used Fox 32 and I prefer the vengeance for freeride/downhill. It's a little tall for my liking on the trails. But very stiff and feels smoother than the others.
    Yes i forgot to mention the A2C is a bit taller on the Veng compared to the other forks .

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    Any love for 36s? I am looking at a non kashima RC2 vs Kashima RLC. Anybody have a opinion either way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by integral View Post
    Any love for 36s? I am looking at a non kashima RC2 vs Kashima RLC. Anybody have a opinion either way?
    I've been running a 36 Talas for 3+ years now and it's been flawless. I love the travel adjust and I've been pretty rough on it (I've serviced it twice) and still working great. Back to your question, why not go Kashima? If the option is there, I'd go that route.

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    I was thinking the rc2 damper might be better having than the kashima. Does anyone have any advice here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by integral View Post
    I was thinking the rc2 damper might be better having than the kashima. Does anyone have any advice here?
    When I bought my SB66 I spec'd it with a 36 Float RC2, but it originally came with the RLC damper by mistake. The LBS let me run it as was until a replacement RC2 damper was sent, so I have a bit of run time on both.

    In short, unless you're actually going to use the lockout (which to me makes no sense on such a big fork), definitely go for the RC2, the fork performs much better with it. As far as Kashima vs non-Kashima goes, I can't really comment, but it doesn't feel particularly more slippery to me. Others may have a better take on the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    Yes i forgot to mention the A2C is a bit taller on the Veng compared to the other forks .
    Its 20 mm taller, matches height of a totem. Vengeance is a great fork though. OP, on your bike id stick with a a 160 mm fork with 545mm a-c height, which the otehr three are. Xfusion is coming out soon with the slant 160 which should be pretty rad. But to answer your question, IMO lyrik =55 but both>fox. I prefer coil, but I weigh 215 so i dont notice the extra 3/4 lb.
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    I'm liking the look of the 2013 55 CR also. The ability to lower it to 150mm with a spacer and the simplicity of an air/oil fork with no lockouts or travel adjust and the Marzoochi goodness at a reasonable price.

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    I've never ridden the vengeance but I've heard great things about X-Fusion products. I have ridden the marz, fox 36 talas and lyrik. As far as a straight, no BS/fancy settings fork goes, the Lyrik takes the cake every time. It's stiff, plush, great feedback/response and rebound. The Marz is easily the most buttery smooth fork BY FAR, but the lyrik responds much better when things get nasty.

    I only ride a fox 36 talas because it has the travel adjust which is an important option to me. Fox has the travel adjust feature down better than any other company out there. However the ride quality is marginally scarified compared to the straight forward forks because of all the extra internal stuff, but it's a small price to pay for the increased climbing ability for me.

    I've also ridden both coil versions of the lyrik, marz 55 and fox 36. I'm a lightweight rider at 160 lbs all suited up and the coil is amazing but harder to fine tune. The coil forks are pretty amazing but the extra weight and adjustability cant be ignored if you're a light weight. The air can be adjusted for any kind of trail anywhere at anytime which is a huge plus!

    Personally, I'd pick the lyrik as my fork of choice, I Love em.

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    Compared to my Lyrik u-turn coil at 160mm travel, my Vengeance coil set to 170mm travel is 20mm taller at the crown (10mm is travel difference). I think there are some light weight 34mm stanchion 160mm travel forks out now that would be 20mm shorter a2c than a Vengeance with the same travel.

    The Vengeance is more stout feeling, with smoother, and more speed-sensitive damping, and within 5 or 10 grams of my Lyik. Both coil versions of these forks weigh 1/2 lb heavier than their closest air versions.

    The u-turn is a feature I used a lot on my Lyrik for tuning handling and ride weight balance, so I custom modified my Vengeance to adapt a coil u-turn assembly, now having best features of both forks in one 125mm to 170mm travel.

    Personally, if I was unable to modify my Vengeance for u-turn, I would have stayed with my Lyrik u-turn fork and got an Avalanche cartridge to better match the speed-sensitive damping of my x-fusion Vector HRL coil shock than the Lyrik's damping can do.

    I've heard very good reviews of the latest couple years Marzocchi forks. I have no experience on them.

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    I have pulled the trigger on the 2013 Marzocchi 55 CR for about $600 USD. Main reasons for going with this fork

    2 yr warranty
    Marzocchi performance
    Adjustability- air spring/volume adjust, rebound/compression damping, internal travel adjust
    Weight about 2200 gms
    Low AC measurement
    Looks sweet. Kashima like gold coating and Matt black
    Low maintenance/more durable than Fox
    Great value

    I'll let you guys know how it plays out

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    [QUOTE=derby;10114189] I custom modified my Vengeance to adapt a coil u-turn assembly, now having best features of both forks in one 125mm to 170mm travel.

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    Can u explain in more detail?
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    Lyrik Coil RC2DH 170mm. Awesomeness. Got a year old model one for under $600 new.

    DH damper is the real deal, and you can't beat coil. And it is not heavy.

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    [QUOTE=dwyooaj;10116394]
    Quote Originally Posted by derby View Post
    I custom modified my Vengeance to adapt a coil u-turn assembly, now having best features of both forks in one 125mm to 170mm travel.

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    Can u explain in more detail?
    Some rainy day, when I do the next service, I need to pull apart the u-turn and take pictures.

    Basically I drilled a hole in the Vengeance top-cap, and used a few hardware store steel washers for spacers under the top cap (hoping to find or fabricate aluminum or plastic spacers to lower this weight, but it's minor), which worked with the upper little o-ring to seal air inside. And found an old v-dub metric exhaust stud in my spare parts box that fit the lower end and used a small washer and water faucet gasket for the lower seal. The stanchion's compression rod guide and it's cir-clip from the Lyrik fit into the bottom end of Vengeance stanchion perfectly replacing the Vengeance c-rod guide. There are no detention balls, so I've wrapped some rubber bands under the u-turn knob to slow the unwind of the coil pretty well for an hour or two before it unwinds a tiny bit, and is not too hard to turn on-the-fly while riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derby View Post
    I custom modified my Vengeance to adapt a coil u-turn assembly, now having best features of both forks in one 125mm to 170mm travel.
    That is awesome! I would kill to have a 180/160 external adjustment on my 180 float let alone a u-turn. Any idea if a talas assembly could be set to a custom travel spec like 160/180?

    With adjustable Geo bikes on the market I can't understand why there aren't better options for adjustable forks...140 is useless to me, I need the full 180 in long travel mode, 160 in short travel, and the totem is just too heavy for me...

    considering a 55 or a 66 down the road so I don't have to open my float when I want to change travel. Can the new 55 coil be lowered to 160...pretty sure no, that I'd need an older model

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    With adjustable Geo bikes on the market I can't understand why there aren't better options for adjustable forks...
    Just an observation - I have stopped using fork travel adjustment ever since I started using an adjustable seatpost. Now I do not have to compromise and can ride with full saddle extension for climbing.

    I still use "lockout" on a long climb - like on my Sektor, or Maguras.. But with a good LSC on Lyrik DH - also unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Just an observation - I have stopped using fork travel adjustment ever since I started using an adjustable seatpost. Now I do not have to compromise and can ride with full saddle extension for climbing.

    I still use "lockout" on a long climb - like on my Sektor, or Maguras.. But with a good LSC on Lyrik DH - also unnecessary.
    No

    I'm talking about something different...not a setting for climbing. I'm talking about the following settings on the same bike: 160front/150rear for snappy, jumpy handling AND then switching to 180 front and rear for mini DH style handling

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    Quote Originally Posted by ride the biscuit View Post
    No

    I'm talking about something different...not a setting for climbing. I'm talking about the following settings on the same bike: 160front/150rear for snappy, jumpy handling AND then switching to 180 front and rear for mini DH style handling
    Ah. For that I just grab a different bike.

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