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    First Impression ... Always trust it?

    I have been looking for a new AM bike for about 3 months now. Enough to bore my wife and my riding buds, but if i'm going to spend $4k, I needs to do me homework. This process is a lot harder than i thought it was going to be. To get to the point, there are obviously tons of reviews about how the Nomad is better sex, but my first impression on it didn't meet my expectations. I was planning on slapping down some plastic as soon as i got back from my test ride, but i was confused. Why didn't I like this bike as much as everyone else? To further the confusion, I rode a Rocky Mountain SXC 90 yesterday and loved it, but it gets mixed reviews. Spec-wise the Rm gets the nod. Frame-wise, again according to what has been written, the SC gets the nod. I'm also considering a Kona Coilair Supreme, Enduro SL Pro and Giant Reign (but haven't been on the last two yet) - all of which have their strengths and weaknesses. SO HERE'S THE QUESTION: Do I invest in something that I wasn't impressed with initially (but everyone else likes) or do i follow my gut on a bike that not everyone seems to like? This is probably a weak question, but my life has been consumed the last 3 months with my (rare) inability to pull the trigger and decide on a new rig. Curse all these options. Thanks.

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    There is a popular statement "your mileage may vary" everyone has different body types, riding styles, etc etc etc etc. Find what works for you. I would also say that if you test a bike make sure it's set up for you and try em more than once, Ride all the bikes you are considering then go back and try em all again and really try them out. Parking lot laps do very little in letting you know what is what on the bikes. Find Demo bikes, find people who own the bikes and try em on the trail. Initial impressions are usually pretty spot on but not if you only rode in a parking lot and over a curb or 2 unless that's what you normally ride. Trail impressions is where it's at.
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    make sure the bikes are set up for your body weight and size to get an honest feel for each bike.

    I used to own a Klein Palomino. The first time I demo'd one, I hated it. It was the base model with the RS Duke, rim brakes and the stock Death Grip tires. That thing sucked.

    I bought a race disc after demoing one (Float 100, discs, Seracs), and it was a night and day difference.
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    Where did you try the bikes out at? If it was just a parking lot i'd try and get some time on the dirt with both if you can.

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    Bingo!

    Quote Originally Posted by MS MSP
    makje sure the bikes are set up for your body weight and size to get an honest feel for each bike.

    I used to own a Klein Palomino. The first time I demo'd one, I hated it. It was the base model with the RS Duke, rim brakes and the stock Death Grip tires. That thing sucked.

    I bought a race disc after demoing one (Float 100, discs, Seracs), and it was a night and day difference.
    Bike setup can make a great bike feel like poo and make a mediocre bike feel pretty good. This is in no way suggesting that the RM is bad or mediocre...or that the Nomad is the best bike ever...but setup can be a massive issue on perception of function and quality.

    That said, there seems to be about a 10% element of a kind of "oil and water" acceptance of the Nomad's characteristics. This is not uncommon as it applies to many good bikes that are available. While maybe 90% of the people who ride and own Nomads love them, the bike may indeed not mix with the preferences of every rider As I mentioned, this is true of many bikes. Try to find one that a friend or acquaintence has and ride it on a trail. I realize that this isn't always possible.

    You can usually "take to the bank" the kind of overwhelming assessment of performance that the Nomad has garnered from the large number of Nomad owners who have posted here. But like any bike, it's true that you might be a rider who has a different level and set of parameters on which you base your preference.

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    definitely go with your gut feeling, because if you are not happy with the ride then your going to be pissed that you bought it and hardly ride. I would suggest trying out the reign and enduro particularly the higher end models as stated above, the lower end models don't have the same feel and they can really ruin your decision. my vote would be to buy the reign xo but buy whatever you feel the most comfortable on

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    If you loved the SXC... then I do not know what you are waiting for! It is hard to beat a bike that you love the feel of... and I would actually say that framewise the RM is equal to the SC, if not nicer. No, it does not have the VPP, but it is nevertheless very well engineered and the quality of the craftsmanship is top notch. (Not to mention the paintjobs looks great!)

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    Good advice here.

    I can add that you can't really apply much validity to what you read on MTBR about various bikes. The reason I say this is because without knowing the rider and his or her style and main terrain, you can't be a critic of their reviews.

    But to answer your question, go with your gut. You have done your due diligence. Jump in. The waters nice.

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    Yeah, if you can, check out:
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    It's going to be your bike , make sure you like it as much as possible before you buy it (unless you have the chance to ride for long, in most cases it will be a ride or two).
    what other people think is good only so much, bikes are personal thing and a lot of us like our bikes so much we are not really the people to ask.
    wach out for over hyped bikes and brands

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    Definitely go with your gut feeling. It's the only thing you have when you're on the trail. Your buddies might not be bragging as much about your new bike, but there's no advantage if you take the bike with you that feels worse to you and maybe but a copy of the good review on top of the stem so you can always remember yourself that it's the next best thing after sliced bread
    If the setup on the "bad" bike wasn't totally screwed up, just go with your guts.The tech part is nice when reading reviews or when talking with friends or the guy from the shop, but it doesn't do anything when you're on the trail if you can't feel it.

    Btw., I'm riding a SXC too and I really enjoy the ride. Nothing I'd miss and for me the perfect do-it-all bike.
    If you can get another test ride, go for it. But: Don't do too many. It'll only confuse you from a certain point on. That's where guts come into play again

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    Cool-blue Rhythm One thing to consider...

    The Nomad like all VPP bikes has to be set up with exactly the amount of sag the manufacturer says it needs or the pedaling platform won't work.
    Other bike designs are more flexible when you want or need to run more or less sag.
    My favorite is currently the Mountain Cycle Fury which is available with 5 or 6 inches of travel. I have a San Andreas that I love and takes a hell of a beating, but I think that if I did it again, I would go with the Fury.
    I've had 5 inch Stumpjumpers that were good bikes, but they are too low at the bottom bracket and hang up the pedals in rock gardens and on obsticles too easy.
    Whatever bike you choose, make sure the bottom bracket height is at least 14 inches or all that travel will be useless when you sit on the bike and make it drop 1.5 to 2 inches into it's travel.
    This is something that more of the manufacturers are forgetting when they develope a long travel bike. That when you have more travel, the bike needs to be higher off the ground without the rider, so when you sit on it, it has the proper running clearence like an old hardtail. That is why I like Mountain Cycle products, when you have the correct sag set up, they are about 13 inches or so with the rider on it.

    Later, Eric
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    Everyone here is giving good advice. Go with what feels the best.

    With that, I'll say that, imo, how well a bike rides is dependent on the fit and how well it's set up for a person. None of the bikes you've mentioned are stinkers, so it's a matter of what you're most comfortable on.

    Not sure about the mixed revies on the slayer though.....I haven't really seen anything negative from a source I'd trust. My wife got a SXC 90 a month or so ago and she's been riding the hell out of it and really loves it. It's her trail bike, but she rode it for 1/2 day in the bike park 2 weeks ago (she was coaching beginner riders) and said it did great. I did a separate 1/2 day with her and 2 other coaches in the park and the other coaches were on their SXC's and were going huge off of stuff with no problems. I was riding behind them and they were hitting the high sides off every jump on a-line.....note, one is the current world masters dh champ. I was asking them about the rides and they honestly were gushing about them.

    One thing, my wife got the 18" which came with a 90mm stem and we put a 70mm on for her as soon as she got a couple of rides under her belt. It just stretched her out a bit too much and she wasn't comfortable on jumps or drops. I find small mods like that can make or break how a bike rides for you and a LOT of people never change anything out from a stock bike setup.

    I've got a reign and love it. I've got 4 buddies with Nomads and they love them as well.

    Again, go with what feels best.

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    Thanks! Gut says SXC

    I thank you all for your advice - solid. I went back today and rode the RM SXC 70 again to confirm my intuition. i can't get enough of it! in fact, i ordered the 90!! i'll make sure i post some pics and (rave) reviews when i get it.

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    Your going to love the Slayer SXC. Its a KICK ASS bike! It doesn't get the love it needs. I'm now taking new lines down my favorite descents I never have before with more confidence. Can't say enough good things about it! Enjoy
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    You're absolutely right about that. The Slayer really made me want to go faster and it allowed me to go faster. It shines with a lot of confidence.
    Also, something I found after a few rides: I'm not using the platform on the shock anymore. It does bob a little, but I don't feel it. I can see it when I look down to the shock, but that's about it. I only switch it on for transports on roads, but ain't using it anymore in the dirt. Something that improves the suspension even more, I really never rode such a plush and comfortable bike before.

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    my 90 is supposed to arrive on june 29th. can't wait! i spoke with a bunch of other dealers (sc, kona, c'dale, yeti) and rode their respective bikes, but NOTHING felt like the slayer - even on test rides in parking lots jumping as many curbs as possible!! very, very . stoked to get it. i guess first impressions are important. lesson: trust your gut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oknarts
    my 90 is supposed to arrive on june 29th. can't wait! i spoke with a bunch of other dealers (sc, kona, c'dale, yeti) and rode their respective bikes, but NOTHING felt like the slayer - even on test rides in parking lots jumping as many curbs as possible!! very, very . stoked to get it. i guess first impressions are important. lesson: trust your gut!
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    first ride

    i had my first ride last night on my new slayer sxc90. IT KICKED A$%$!!! What a great bike! Handled great. pedaled over everything without ever bottoming out. so long 4 inch travel!!

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    This thread is worthless without pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    This thread is worthless without pics!
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