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    Evil Sovereign is back....

    I guess I am out of the loop, I hadn't picked up on hints of the line-up coming from Evil Bikes this year.
    Full lineup is right over here...
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    Doesn't look like they've changed much....which is probably a good thing.
    Lots of good options in the steel all-mountain hardtail category these days....

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    ICSG tabs are new.

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    And no more Reynolds 853 tubing (this could be a good thing, if they keep the price low without adding too much weight)

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    It is an awesome frame and looks very hardcore when built up!
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    looks super!
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    The new Evil Sovereign rips! I've been testing one for a few weeks now and it makes for a super fun aggressive trail bike. it's slack and low - but not low to the extend that you keep mashing your pedals on rocks.

    adjustable dropouts are nice - I run mine in the long wheelbase setting because I'm use to riding longer bikes. Makes for a much more stable bike at speeds but it's still nimble and easy to manual.

    really stoked on this bike - I hadn't ridden a HT in a long while but this bike got me jazzed about riding one again.


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    That's gorgeous! Tell us... everything: I heard of 4 sizes instead of the old two (I hope there will be a longer seat tube for taller riders) and some geometry changes. Do you confirm that? Any hint about frame weight? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenz0
    That's gorgeous! Tell us... everything: I heard of 4 sizes instead of the old two (I hope there will be a longer seat tube for taller riders) and some geometry changes. Do you confirm that? Any hint about frame weight? Thank you.
    yes there will be 4 sizes - Small, Med, Large and XL.

    one shown here is a Med with a 585mm virtual TT length.

    I think my Med was around 5.8lbs but don't quote me on that one...I like my HTs to be a burly, the weight keep the bike a bit more planted when trying to carry speed through rough descents.

    HT angle is around 68 degree with the Pike at full 140mm. Slack enough to add cornering stability on steeper descents, but not too slack where you can't steer through tight flat singletrack. If you're used to riding steep bikes, it will take a bit of getting used to since you need a bit more body English - but if you're used to riding bigger bikes, you'll feel right at home

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    Thank you very much for the info. Actually I'd love an aggressive hardtail... I was almost sold on Chromag Samurai but some issues made me delay my decisions... and, since I must wait, I can put other candidates on the plate. This one is a really awesome one

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenz0
    Thank you very much for the info. Actually I'd love an aggressive hardtail... I was almost sold on Chromag Samurai but some issues made me delay my decisions... and, since I must wait, I can put other candidates on the plate. This one is a really awesome one
    guess what other HT I own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acadian
    The new Evil Sovereign rips! I've been testing one for a few weeks now and it makes for a super fun aggressive trail bike. it's slack and low - but not low to the extend that you keep mashing your pedals on rocks.
    Thats awesome, looks very nice built up.

    Whats the BB height like with that build? Has the geometry changed on the newer version?

    Would you offer any thoughts on the soveriegn vs. the sakura? I know the sov is beefier & heavier. Would appreciate your thoughts.

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    oh wow that's nice. is that a pearly white?
    So far i'm torn between this and the transAm. Seems like Evil too is venturing into the customizable graphics which is a nifty extra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Thats awesome, looks very nice built up.

    Whats the BB height like with that build? Has the geometry changed on the newer version?

    Would you offer any thoughts on the soveriegn vs. the sakura? I know the sov is beefier & heavier. Would appreciate your thoughts.
    with 2.35 High Roller's the BB is just a hair over 13"

    I never really rode the older Sovereign - but that's only because I wasn't keen on the geometry back then - with that said, the geo definitely changed. I can't tell you exactly what changed - but I know for sure the head angle got slacker

    Yes the Sovereign is burlier than the Sakura. At 4 lbs for the frame alone, the Sakura is more of an ultra light trail bike with aggressive geometry + the Sakura does not have any ISCG tabs. IMO the Stylus is more in line with the Sovereign.

    For some reason I feel a bit more confident on the Sovereign Ė Iím sure the added weigh has something to do with it, but it feels a bit more planted than the Sakura did.

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    Acadian = LUCKY!!!

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    Sick slack hardtail. Looks very nice.

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    I'm in the process of building a Dialled Bikes Alpine. It is schweet!!! The welds are beautiful and the Reynolds tubes are nice. Feels light. Has ICSG tabs and will accept 3" tires. Can't wait to ride it....

    I like that Evil. It's blacktastic. Beefier looking than the Alpine. Wonder how the stats stack up?
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    Here are some pics of the proto XL that I've been on for about 2 months now. As spec'd (sans bag & bottle) is 12.3kg with zero weight weenie parts (ok, I lie...I do have a Prime Aero ACE carbon extrusion spacer on there). Frame weight for the XL proto was 2739g. Eff TT is 630mm.





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    mmmm nice todd. in my size to boot. can't wait.
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    how's the tire clearance relative to where you set the axle in the slots? Is that a pearl finish on the whites? it looks rather superb i must say.

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    Why did I stumble across this thread...
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    Too late for me now...

    I used to drool over the original Sovereign but it was too expensive and I got myself this instead:

    (still a bit unfinished when I took the pic)

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    how's the tire clearance relative to where you set the axle in the slots? Is that a pearl finish on the whites? it looks rather superb i must say.
    There is a ton of clearance on there with the axle fully slammed...even more with it further back. Remember that Evil was born in the Northeast, is now Seattle based, and has a loyal following in the UK. So, we know and respect mud!




    My tire is measuring 52mm at the knobs with 15mm clearance at the stays on each side.

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    any geometry or availability info for us impatient folks ?

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    Thanks for posting the geometry information. Can you tell us what the a2c was of the fork that was used to get these numbers?

    Also, any idea when the new Sovereign will be available?

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    Geoms are based on a-to-c of 510.9mm (140mm Fox 32) and 2.35" tires.

    Availability is planned for late spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acadian
    I never really rode the older Sovereign - but that's only because I wasn't keen on the geometry back then - with that said, the geo definitely changed. I can't tell you exactly what changed - but I know for sure the head angle got slacker
    The HA is slacker.
    Also the CS length was adjustable from 15.7" to 16.4" and now it is from 16.22" and 16.93".

    I love my "old" Sovereign.




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    @perttime...

    I promise you will have fun with your 2soulscycles 41.5 ....I also wanted a sovereign and decided finally for the 41.5....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd


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    This is a general SS question, but say that given your gearing (32x18 in my case), the ideal chainstay length is 17.1. That means the sovereign's stays range is too short/too long because if we remove a link, we're down to 16.1. In this case, do ppl just change their gear ratio (maybe 34x18) so the ideal length falls in the range? or use a half link? Or are most horizontal dropout slots > 1 inch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    This is a general SS question, but say that given your gearing (32x18 in my case), the ideal chainstay length is 17.1. That means the sovereign's stays range is too short/too long because if we remove a link, we're down to 16.1. In this case, do ppl just change their gear ratio (maybe 34x18) so the ideal length falls in the range? or use a half link? Or are most horizontal dropout slots > 1 inch?
    Your reasoning is wrong. Removing a link doesn't change the CS length by 1", it's more like .5", because there are two runs of chain that get shortened, and also the chain isn't perfectly parallel to the ground.

    You can also use a half link to make the disparity even smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better
    Your reasoning is wrong. Removing a link doesn't change the CS length by 1", it's more like .5", because there are two runs of chain that get shortened, and also the chain isn't perfectly parallel to the ground.

    You can also use a half link to make the disparity even smaller.
    Perhaps i am visualizing this wrong, but i think each rivet is 1/2 inch apart (i don't have my bike here to check myself). So when shortening a chain, u'd have to shorten at 1" increments.
    I agree now that the chain isn't parallel to the chainstay so shortening the chain by x inches would actually bring in the position of the rear axle y inches where x > y. But i guess there's that chance that y falls outside of (16.93 - 16.22) depending on the angle of the chain relative to the stay. I was just curious if this has ever occurred to singlespeed set ups. I just want to avoid any half link/tensioners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    Perhaps i am visualizing this wrong, but i think each rivet is 1/2 inch apart (i don't have my bike here to check myself). So when shortening a chain, u'd have to shorten at 1" increments.
    I agree now that the chain isn't parallel to the chainstay so shortening the chain by x inches would actually bring in the position of the rear axle y inches where x > y. But i guess there's that chance that y falls outside of (16.93 - 16.22) depending on the angle of the chain relative to the stay. I was just curious if this has ever occurred to singlespeed set ups. I just want to avoid any half link/tensioners.
    Like Hardtail said, you are shortening the length of chain wrapped around the cog and ring. It is a loop and not a straight line

    If you remove a link and create a 1" gap in the top half of the chain, the bottom half of your chain can still be held tight. This means that if you move the wheel forward by the full 1" without rotating the chain at all, you would create slack in the bottom half of the chain. Instead the wheel is moved forward some percentage of the 1" to close the gap and the difference is made up by the slack this creates in the other half of the chain

    In fewer words: you could simply try thinking about it as removing a half link from the bottom half of the chain and a half link from the top half of the chain

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    Awwwwww snap I got it. so y < 1/2" if x = 1" so it will be covered by the max & min range of the CS. Me so dumb. Thanks guys!
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    Cheers Acadian! We spoke earlier about the Sovereign size. This one on the picture is medium, right? Did you rode it with the seat that high or is it up just for the photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A.
    Cheers Acadian! We spoke earlier about the Sovereign size. This one on the picture is medium, right? Did you rode it with the seat that high or is it up just for the photo?
    yes that's a med.

    and yes I ride it with the seat that high unless it's a long technical descent, then I'll lower it.

    it's actually not that high..

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    That means that the medium frame is really small. At least for a 6'2". I just want to be sure about the size. After all, this is going to be my last mtb. And what a mtb it is!

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    Nice, Acadian. And I can't wait to see the other new Evil models (Imp and Division). When? When?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acadian
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    dammit. Why did I open this thread? I don't NEED another bike...

    //this may be a stupid question...but you think a 650B would fit the rear?
    Just a regular guy.

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    depends on which tire you run. looks like there is a lot of room there
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    thats a badaz bike! when are they coming out? and any ballpark estimate of a price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Sylvain
    The HA is slacker.
    Also the CS length was adjustable from 15.7" to 16.4" and now it is from 16.22" and 16.93".

    I love my "old" Sovereign.
    The Mountain Cycle Rumble offers geometry very similar to the old Sovreign, if your interested.

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    Bah, tease us with pics and geo without speculation on price and US availability.

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    works with Truvati's HammerSchmidt
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    given your gearing (32x18 in my case), the ideal chainstay length is 17.1. That means the sovereign's stays range is too short/too long because if we remove a link, we're down to 16.1. In this case, do ppl just change their gear ratio (maybe 34x18) so the ideal length falls in the range? or use a half link?
    I went for 34/19 gearing on my 2soulscycles: close enough to 32/18 and I seem to get along well with a shortish CS length.

    And, as said: one inch of chain makes about half an inch difference in CS length.

    Quote Originally Posted by accutrax
    I promise you will have fun with your 2soulscycles 41.5 ....I also wanted a sovereign and decided finally for the 41.5....
    Fun is right... I've been riding it for quite a while now.

    Here's a recent pic. Need to get those brake hoses shortened...:

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    Shweet.

    Anyone try running ss on this frame? (even the old one)

    I want a ss as my next bike and would love this frame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyJonez
    Anyone try running ss on this frame?
    Scroll up a bit and you'll see Evil Sylvain's "old" SS Sovereign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Scroll up a bit and you'll see Evil Sylvain's "old" SS Sovereign.
    Ah, Obviously I missed it!

    Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    dammit. Why did I open this thread? I don't NEED another bike...

    //this may be a stupid question...but you think a 650B would fit the rear?
    Straight from Ska Todd - 650b is a go for the new Sovereign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Straight from Ska Todd - 650b is a go for the new Sovereign!
    wow...very very interesting! though 650b components suck ass dont they? at least with 29ers there are now decent choices??? will 650b tires fit fine in say most of the 160mm forks without mods?? I honestly know nothing of 650bs

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    wow...very very interesting! though 650b components suck ass dont they? at least with 29ers there are now decent choices??? will 650b tires fit fine in say most of the 160mm forks without mods?? I honestly know nothing of 650bs
    I believe the 36's take a 650b with a 2.3 Neomoto tire but it's tight. The old Manitou Nixon will do it too, TNC was running a 650b setup on his Nomad for like two years last time I checked. Don't know for sure about the others but I imagine they work okay as well given similar tire clearances with 26". Main problem with the Neomotos that seem to be considered the best 650b tire for the time being is that they don't take well to a Stans or other tubeless conversion, blow the bead off easily. If you don't mind tubes they seem like a cool way to go though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    wow...very very interesting! though 650b components suck ass dont they? at least with 29ers there are now decent choices??? will 650b tires fit fine in say most of the 160mm forks without mods?? I honestly know nothing of 650bs
    Who wants in on a pool?

    I say FoSh has a new, bligified 650b by Halloween.

    Closest without going over wins...you can bask in the gently reflected light of Faux's camera's flash off the new build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    wow...very very interesting! though 650b components suck ass dont they? at least with 29ers there are now decent choices??? will 650b tires fit fine in say most of the 160mm forks without mods?? I honestly know nothing of 650bs

    Stans rims are good...Kenda Nevegal 650b tires are nice.

    2.3 NeoMoto's fit in the Fox 32 Vanilla with a little room to breathe.

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    Anybody know where you can get the new Sovereign in the US? I see ChainReaction has them but it says EU shipped only.

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    In the US just ring us up or email and we can help you find a dealer. If there's not one close to you yet we'll figure something out. Sovereigns are instock now and shipping.

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    Just built mine up today, it is one sweet bike. Havenít been off road on it yet but it just feels just right riding it around the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzer
    Just built mine up today, it is one sweet bike. Havenít been off road on it yet but it just feels just right riding it around the streets.
    Yes, but where are the evil pics?

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    Ok here it is then not the best photo and there are a few parts I want to change on it when I get some more money together. I will post some better ones when I have got a bit more time.

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    Photo is ok. Parts too, altough maybe on a heavy-ish side. And the kelly green looks pretty good. I ordered the black one. It's gonna be similar to your build, but lighter. More like a diet Coke of your build.

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    Cheers, its not that heavy haven’t weighed it yet but all the parts were off a Charge Blender frame that was about the same weight and that bike was 30lbs. I want to put some 2010 Revelations on and a alloy free hub body and a better cassette and that will save a bit of weight.
    I used my Charge for everything from XC to DH so the parts need to be strong, the charge was very good but the evil should be better for hacking about the woods as it is a bigger frame.

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    Hey, heavy is not bad. Especially when you're hitting dh. I'm targeting sub 13 kg with Float 32 and lighter wheels for agressive trail riding with lot's of climbing. Results follow in 2-3 weeks.

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    mmmm....
    with a 440 or 450 mm rigid fork, I'd have a pretty tough SS XC bike for some trails that are slow with or without suspension

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    The most stupid question of the thread: what are the decal that you can choose to apply on the frame? I see that (awesome) green Sovereign has those pink skulls on the top tube and on the headbadge (already seen in all the other pics around the web) that I find really disturbing (even if it's Jeremy Fish atrwork )

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    Answer is here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A.
    Answer is here.
    Answer is partially there: I mean, what decals does the kit contains? Can I customize the whole look or could I only choose the stickers on the down tube?

    I know this is actually not a great issue...

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    Oh, and another question: from the pics of Razzer bike it seems the frame has now "zip-tie" cable guides: so Evil went for full cable routing? If you look closely at the pics from CRC

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/L...?ModelID=41096

    You can see there are pics of two different frames (look at the decals on the seat tube): one has cable stops for sure, the other should have full cable routing. Is it right?

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    I weighed the bike today and it is 31lbs which isnít bad for the build so yours should be a light weight ripper!

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    The frame came with stickers already on it 2 Evil ones under the top of the down tube and 2 Sovereign ones by the top of the top tube with the pink Skull artwork. You get 2 sheets of stickers with all the colours you could ever want so that you can change them. I just left the stock ones on and put 1 green one at the bottom of the down tube.
    The best bit of the frame is that you get 2 head badges the pigeon riding a bike and the skull penny farthing. Both are in that light pink but that not too bad.

    The cable routing is all full length front and rear, it dose look like on the CRC pictures that it has got stops on it.
    The frame itself is well prepared it has got a coating on the inside of the tubing to stop rust and the seat tube is reamed which is nice. You do have to face the BB and headset if you want that done but thatís not a big problem.

    Still havenít road it yet got to wait till Sunday!

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    Thank you Razzer for the info... and don't forget to let us know how it rides!

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    Good job! My Recent Bike Build

    Got my frame saturday and had to work all weekend, so I just finished building it up. Most of the parts are transplants from my Heckler that is down at the moment. I need to go get housing and cables tomorrow and then I'll be set. Props to Todd and Gabe at Evil for excellent service and communication, and Nate at Carolina Fatz for prepping the frame for me this morning.

    Oh yeah according to the bathroom scale it is 31-32 lbs and it is a size large.

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    Looks good ^^^ and rides even better. That is a wheelie machine. Can't wait to see how it does in Pisgah tomorrow.
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    Tough choice between the Sovereign and the Chromag Stylus. One of them will be my new frame. Anybody ridden both?

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    Ska Todd, that XL evil looks like the bike for me. Just one question, the UK importer (Silverfish) quote the seat tube on the XL to be 19.8, but on this thread its quoted at 20.8. Which is right?

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    Anyone got the actual seat tube length of the XL Sovereign, The UK importer quote a different size to the the ones posted on the geometry charts on this thread. Also, at 6' 5" is the XL big enough for me? I have a pretty long reach.

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    I'm doing research & saving $ for either a TransAM or Sovereign to build up next year (mid to late). I'm leaning towards the Sovereign despite the extra $. Something about it I like just a wee-bit more.... Any problems with the paint like the TransAM? Geo for both seem pretty much the same (I'd get a medium frame). I like the option of the adjustable drop-outs too.

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    I was comparing L sized Sovereign with same size TransAM. It seems that TA is a little bit on the XC side. Differences are not big (Evil have slightly slacker angles, shorter seattube and headtube, higher bb) but at the end it all adds up. In my opinion, the Evil is more versatile and better thought out ride. I'm not sure about weight difference, but it's a steel frame after all, so no weight weenie-ness here. Paint on my Sovereign (I'm talking black here) is pretty good. I'll take it. No chipping, not easily damaged from small flying stones, although not as kick-ass durable as the black finish on Orange P7 frame I used to have.
    Last edited by I.V.A.; 11-12-2009 at 05:18 PM.

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    Thanks for the info! I think the Sovereign is what I'm going to save my dough for. In Black! Thoiugh the dark green is pretty cool too.

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    what is the bottom bracket height on the new sovereign? Would appreciate if anyone could take a measurement and post there specs. Thanks!

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    30,9cm/12.16in for L size with High Roller 2.1 and Fox Float 140mm. I think a-c is 510mm.

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    I emailed Evil with a couple of ?'s & reply was almost instant! Price isn't as high as I thought it would be either so I will definitely be ordering a frame hopefully sooner than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A.
    30,9cm/12.16in for L size with High Roller 2.1 and Fox Float 140mm. I think a-c is 510mm.
    Thanks! Nice and Low

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    Ehm, let me correct myself.



    It's more like 33,2cm/13,07in with current setup.

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    Does the slack seat angle of the Sovereign cause climbing to be a bit more difficult? II have a lot of climbing on my local trails. Not terribly steep but what goes down goes back up on almost all of them...

    Thx!

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    With 70mm stem, inline seatpost (there was an experiment with layback but that didn't work out so well) and dropouts in short-chainstays-position, aaand considering that Sovereign is downhill biased steel frame, it climbs pretty damn good from the seat. But I'm used to stand a lot when climbing.
    You can always put longer stem and lenghten (I hope this is a word) the chainstays to make the climbing easier, but I think that 70mm stem is ideal for climbing/descending on Evil.

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    I think fork length will make a big difference in how a bike handles. With a short fork the Sovereign should climb as well as you can expect a sturdy hardtail to climb.

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    Geometry is designed around 140mm and more. Maybe a Talas or some RS with U-Turn just for ascents. But it would be better to work on your climbing than just to reach for the first travel adjustable fork.

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    My basic plan is a '10 32 Talas 140mm; I figure if 140mm is too hard for climbing, I can use it on 120mm.

    What types of riding are best for each of the Sovereign's diff. dropouts? I'm guessing longest is for DH/speed...

    Also I have a 75mm stem on my current bike I was planning on using to start with. Would that extra 5mm make much difference compared to a 70mm stem? I know that's rather a subjective question but need to get as much info beforehand as I can.

    thx!

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    It's your money, but I would still go for Float 32 R with 9mm QR. Simple, light, reliable, stiff enough for anything you'll be riding with Sovereign. And after a while you just stop looking for lockout and compression dials. 75mm is ok, even with a little rise. Just remove all the spacers between stem and headset to be as low as possible. I'm keeping the chainstays short.
    Look, don't bother yourself with stuff like that. It's a great frame. Expensive, but great. It was designed to give you a fighting chance to get the top so you can fully enjoy what comes afterwards. Although you won't be first to the top, with some work you'll be able to keep up with those fancy full suspension trail bikes on the way down.

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    9mm QR I can use my current wheelset then upgrade to better wheels later.

    Thanks for the advice; much appreciated!

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    Sorry to resurrect an old thread

    I'm thinking of getting a new Sovereign frame but am unsure whether to get the medium or large. I'm 5'11" with a 32" inside leg. Can any owners of both post the standover heights please? I wouldn't want to go for a large and then find that I'd crush the old family jewels if I was to fall off!

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    No L for you! I'm 6'2" and riding on L size frame. Go with M and don't worry about the standover.

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    Hmmm, I was thinking the M may be the best size. I was just concerned about having an excessive amount of seat post poking up and looking like I was on a child's bike!

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    Seat tubes on new model are longer than before. Check the geo charts on www.

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    posted a pic when i first built her up back in late august but heres a picture in her current state. Just got done ripping in the snow.

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