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    Are dual suspension bikes faster?

    I mean not only for all mountain use but for cross country and pretty much everything except downhill and freeride?
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    Personal opinion, really. The person makes the bike go faster, not the bike.
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    You can put the best rider on the biggest pos Wal-Mart bike, and he will still be faster than an inexperienced rider on the fastest, lightest bike.

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    Yes.

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    Cool. People showed up to answer completely different questions than what you asked.

    How about this scenario: the same rider on two different bikes - one with full suspension, one without? Is one generally faster than the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Front_Runner
    Cool. People showed up to answer completely different questions than what you asked.

    How about this scenario: the same rider on two different bikes - one with full suspension, one without? Is one generally faster than the other?
    This is what I mean.
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    Believe either Outside or Backpacker magazine did a test like that a couple years ago. The hardtail could do faster single laps but the Full sus could do more consistant laps for a longer time.
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    IMO suspension is faster in all instances other than super smooth, super buff XC type trails. Suspension gives you traction going uphill in rocky/rooty/gnar as well as pedaling efficiency in rough terrain as well. Having spent a lot of time on a hardtail as well as suspension, the main thing is that you can pedal THROUGH rough terrain instead of dealing with keeping the rear tire on the ground.

    But on smooth trails, the added pedaling efficiency and lighter weight of a hardtail will probably make it faster.

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    According to this thread The 26 hardtail will never die in World cup racing, it looks like a majority of elite racers on a x-c course choose hard tails. So, for their skill level and type of riding, the answer I imagine would be hard tail.

    I feel like I'm faster on the hard tail, but my times indicate that I'm fairly similar on both a hard tail and FS. On really technical stuff, I imagine that I would be faster on a FS, just because you can power and pedal through bumps easier on a FS.

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    I went from a 7'' FS bike to a 5'' hardtail this year. I usually throw on a GPS app on my phone before I head out, and on my usual loop, the times have been very consistent. Straight hardpack, the hardtail is faster, and the FS is faster on the downhill rock gardens, and when trying to pedal through roots and rocks that are common on the East coast. The loop is about an hour, and all of the rides have been within 5 minutes of each other.

    That said, if I was talking about a 4 hour or longer ride, I think the FS would win out, as it's easier to make "mistakes" due to fatigue on a full suspension bike and keep riding than it is on a hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone
    I mean not only for all mountain use but for cross country and pretty much everything except downhill and freeride?
    All other things being equal, a rider will go further and faster on a suspension frame than a hardtail or rigid.

    But whether or not faster is better depends on your opinion andwhat you want from riding your bike.

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    as kanye puts it, "like old people pissin it all depends"

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    are you asking about going uphill or down?

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    I rode a Transition TransAM hardtail for a couple seasons then I switched it up to a Santa Cruz Butcher this year. Which is faster? Depends on the trail.

    On smooth, fast singletrack my TransAM was faster, more nimble and accelerate faster.

    On anything technical (even climbs) the Butcher is faster and easier to pedal. There are times riding my Butcher where I really miss the hardtail. But for 75% of the trails I ride, a full suspension is faster.
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    The one with the brown frame is always faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot
    The one with the brown frame is always faster.
    Really? Because I have red grips, which is like fire.. and fire trucks are fast so... BUT I ALSO HAVE A BROWN SADDLE SO MAYBE THAT IS WHY?
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    For an avg rider FS would be faster than HT in general riding. Decent "Brown" frame design would climb efficiently and descend with more control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Front_Runner
    Cool. People showed up to answer completely different questions than what you asked.

    How about this scenario: the same rider on two different bikes - one with full suspension, one without? Is one generally faster than the other?
    The one he is riding at the moment. I have yet to figure out how to ride two bikes at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Fluid
    You can put the best rider on the biggest pos Wal-Mart bike, and he will still be faster than an inexperienced rider on the fastest, lightest bike.
    You should check out my walmart build lol

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    Saw someone riding two unicycles @ the same time, the one in front one was faster.

    I wouldn't advise it though, the guy looked like a real fruitcake

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885
    For an avg rider FS would be faster than HT in general riding. Decent "Brown" frame design would climb efficiently and descend with more control.

    What is a brown frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone
    What is a brown frame?
    Whaaatt you don't know brown frame? shhheeezz, PM this guy he'll explain it to you better

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    Maybe just white spokes? Red stem? Pink hoses?
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    Ok serious now, a FS would be faster on the climb and descend given that the bike is about the same weight because the suspension would compress and absorb the bumps and keep the rider more linear especially on the climb.

    A rigid rear would generally transfer bumps into a vertical movement killing momentum and speed, the edge that HT has is the solid feel of power transfer from pedal to the forward momentum, it's not always the case but a lot of your climbing ability comes from psychological side as well so it's good way to motivate you up the climb. On FS you feel less bumps but at the same time you'd give that solid pedal feel as well.

    There's no question in my mind that a rider of the same ability would descend faster than HT.

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