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    dt swiss ex 471 rim anyone?

    thinking of getting these put on my hubs instead of new wheels.

    looks pretty fine for a light wide option. 25/30mm inner/outer at 471g for 26"

    I assume there's nothing out there on them because they are new? i really have no idea how long they've been out but google is not helping

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    only other thing i found is that Jared Graves is using them this year for EWS...so it must just be the new hotness from DT. Good enough for me; I'll post up later this summer it/when I have some time on them

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    I just laced a wheelset with EX471 rims. DT350 straight pull hubs (28H), Sapim 2-1.8-2 straight pull spokes.
    The rims come with the PHR washers and squorx alloy nipples. It is nice that they give you a couple of extras.

    The wheels have been pretty strong in the month that I've used them. No need to retrue. I weigh 190lbs and ride a Pivot Mach 5.7, I consider myself an agressive rider but I take care of my equipment.

    I purchased the rims because they were the only "AM" rims in 28H that were wide enough. These are the same rims used in the Spline One EX 1501.

    I struggled lacing the wheels due to the squorx nipples. 1) You can't use a nipple driver to start with all the spokes threaded evenly in the nipples. So it is harder to adjust hops. 2) The nipples are very tight as they are the "lock" version so I needed to hold the spokes with pliers to avoid them from twisting. I used WS spoke prep in addition but perhaps it was not needed.

    I'm sure I'll be very happy with my wheelset and I would recommend them if you are stuck with 28H. Otherwise I think there are better options for 32H.

    Good luck.

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    What would you have gone with for 32h rim? I think highly of DT swiss and the price and spec all seem to add up to a pretty sensible option.

    Earlier I had been (and still am to some degree) thinking of i9 enduro, but i have had such good experience with both DT and hope in the past...plus it would come in less expensive and hope has new 40 point rear hubs out now

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    I would consider Flow EX, WTB i23 or i25. My friends that ride them are super happy and they take abuse. I like the fact that you can use standard brass nipples.

    I'm with you on the Hope hubs. They are great for the price now that they come with the 40 points.

    I don't want to sound like I don't like the EX471 rims. They are very well made, quality is top notch. I just rather use parts that I can get at any LBS.

    I hear the i9 wheels are great, especially the hubs. But I would hate to stop riding for a week or two while I wait for a replacement spoke.

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    I hear ya. It's just that the old flows were more than strong enough for me so I figure shaving a hair of wt would be cool instead of adding a hair. Both are wide. I'm not going to build them myself; I'll see what my preferred builder has to say about the nipple situation.

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    Look at the wheel he's holding in the end of this, just saying.

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    Was about to mention gwin, hardup beat me to it.
    He just rode a dh track including the rock garden racing line on the rim. I think these will be very popular. I know for sure im keen on them.

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    are those 471s or FR600s that Gwin's using? Either way, SUPER impressive that a rim can take that kind of abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos View Post
    are those 471s or FR600s that Gwin's using? Either way, SUPER impressive that a rim can take that kind of abuse.
    He was running ex 471

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    Yeah that run was more epic than a wold cup win! Crazy a sub 500g rim coped with that. I thought he was running the 600, too, but definitely the 471. Sucked for Gwin, but DT Swiss couldn't ask for better marketing.

    I'm still not on em yet; when I was ready to buy my LBS couldn't get them at the time and haven't checked back in yet

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    Anyone else build these up with other spokes?

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    I was really debating rims for my gravity rig, then found this thread. I ordered the 471s in 28h to go with 350s hubs and Competition straight pull spokes.

    I'm currently killing myself over aluminum vs brass nipples. The rims come with the squorx aluminum nipples with washers, so I'm thinking that if DT thinks those are good then they're good, but the brass ones are less than 50g more for a 28h set, so why not?

    I'll post pics of the build, but UPS has the kit right now.

    SO EXCITED

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    wtb kom is now available in 25mm inner width. Claimed weight of 420g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drootang View Post
    wtb kom is now available in 25mm inner width. Claimed weight of 420g.
    I have no appreciation for this in reality, but I would think at that weight there may be a compromise in strength. If they are somehow magically built like a tank and retain that weight, sign me up!

    Mike, why did you go 28h vs. 32? I would think for gravity, 32 would be the thing to do. I'm not saying you should have done 32, I was just curious. If you could get away with the 28 and still be stiff enough for DH, that'd be freaking awesome! Also, which Comps did you go with, the 1.8 or 2.0? There's a pretty decent weight difference between the two.

    Please post up when you get them set up! I'm really surprised there hasn't been more buzz about these rims after the Gwin thing and knowing Jared Graves uses them on his EWS rig.
    I don't want to be a total lemming and use the logic that "Celebrity X uses it, so I should to." That being said, those 2 dudes ride harder than I ever will. It would seem if it's tough enough for them, it'd be a rim that should last me a good while with more pedestrian AM riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokarsky268 View Post
    I have no appreciation for this in reality, but I would think at that weight there may be a compromise in strength. If they are somehow magically built like a tank and retain that weight, sign me up!

    Mike, why did you go 28h vs. 32? I would think for gravity, 32 would be the thing to do. I'm not saying you should have done 32, I was just curious. If you could get away with the 28 and still be stiff enough for DH, that'd be freaking awesome! Also, which Comps did you go with, the 1.8 or 2.0? There's a pretty decent weight difference between the two.
    WTB claims the KOM is a super slick alloy that allows them to use less material.

    In my experience as a mechanical engineer, I'm thinking it's probably more of a heat treatment thing, but probably a little of both.

    I went 28 because I really wanted to use straight spokes (not j-bend). I don't know anyone who makes a 32-hole straight pull hub. I went with the double butted competition straight-pull 2.0:1.8. So they are 1.8 in the middle.

    I'm about to order the brass squorx nipples, but I have a whole bin of normal brass non-squorx nipples. Does anyone have experience using normal nipples with these rims? Washers? They come with supposedly fancy washers and spherical interface squorx nipples, not sure if it's snake oil or a real requirement for the rim drilling.

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    The squorx nipples are already included with the rim and they are mandatory to use because of the interface with the washers and rim

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    Hmm

    They include aluminum squorx, but offer brass. Anyone have thoughts?

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    Look on wheelbuilder.com. They have a variety of choices including brass( also colors if you care).

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    I would never use aluminium nipples on a wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebowyer View Post
    I'm currently killing myself over aluminum vs brass nipples. The rims come with the squorx aluminum nipples with washers, so I'm thinking that if DT thinks those are good then they're good, but the brass ones are less than 50g more for a 28h set, so why not?

    I'll post pics of the build, but UPS has the kit right now.

    SO EXCITED
    so much for this BS. I just received the rims. They came with the alloy nipples, but no washers. The documentation that comes with them says you must use the supplied washers, but they were not supplied. Each rim was in a sealed dt box with instructions and nipples, and a warning to build them only with the washers.

    This sucks. I emailed dt but don't expect an answer during the weekend. Hoped to have wheels by now. Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebowyer View Post
    so much for this BS. I just received the rims. They came with the alloy nipples, but no washers. The documentation that comes with them says you must use the supplied washers, but they were not supplied. Each rim was in a sealed dt box with instructions and nipples, and a warning to build them only with the washers.


    This sucks. I emailed dt but don't expect an answer during the weekend. Hoped to have wheels by now. Nope.

    Boo!

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    Why dont you contact the shop, they should help you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyvG View Post
    Why dont you contact the shop, they should help you out.
    I am the shop fortunately/unfortunately. Family owned by my family.

    Just had had an obvious idea, does anyone have details or specs or pictures of these washers? I can't even find them for sale anywhere!

    If they're just standard steel or brass washers I can make it happen, but dt even prints it ON THE RIM that you have to use them.

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    then I would expect you to have a agent/representative at DT swiss that you could call/mail about the missing washers. you sure they aren't in the bag with the nipples or taped somewhere in the box or whatever?

    The washers are curved and perhaps shaped even more to fit the nipples and rims
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    Re: dt swiss ex 471 rim anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikebowyer View Post
    I am the shop fortunately/unfortunately. Family owned by my family.

    Just had had an obvious idea, does anyone have details or specs or pictures of these washers? I can't even find them for sale anywhere!

    If they're just standard steel or brass washers I can make it happen, but dt even prints it ON THE RIM that you have to use them.
    Contact the DT service center directly. They are very helpful.
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    I emailed the dt service center. But I want to contact my distributer (a really big one) to alert them that they are sending out rims with "death may occur if you build these" all over them.

    I'm sure it'll all work out. Thanks for the pictures!

    The boxes did have these empty bags taped to the inside. The manuals and nipples were included in the boxes, but the taped in bag was empty and had been either scissor or knife cut before the boxes were sealed.



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    I contacted DT about these rims and the availability of brass squorx nips. They got back to me quickly and said that they aren't available, and that even DT didn't have any. That's a bit of a bummer.

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    So we have a downhill rim that a person cannot build within warranty with brass nipples?

    Come on DT, I hope we can all figure this out.

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    Was just contacted by the DT international sales manager. I have a feeling this is going to work out fine.

    I wonder how bad shipping will be on those nipples to the U.S.?

    Edit, just checked, (60) of them will cost $58 USD shipped. I think I'll roll the dice on the aluminum ones. Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebowyer View Post
    Was just contacted by the DT international sales manager. I have a feeling this is going to work out fine.

    I wonder how bad shipping will be on those nipples to the U.S.?

    Edit, just checked, (60) of them will cost $58 USD shipped. I think I'll roll the dice on the aluminum ones. Damn.

    Wow. Yeah, I'd roll the dice too. Hopefully by the time I'm ready for a build, they'll be stateside and more reasonable.

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    I dropped a washer inside the rim while lacing them up. I figured I could get it out later. It was a PIA! I also soaked the rim in a tub to try & track down a really slow leak. Stupid mistake.I now had water in the rim.
    I wish I had searched for a good driver instead of using a spoke wrench. I wrecked 2 nipples but they did provide extras.

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    I got ahold of my supplier, they had some washers they mailed to me. I'll post pics once I get the build going. Out on a trip for thanksgiving so the washers might already be in my mailbox.

    They do not have access to the brass nipples, sucks. I guess if DT insists you use the aluminum ones they must be acceptable. I'm not oiling the threads, I threaded a nipple onto a spoke and it tightens up as if there is some sort of sealant in the nipple threads.

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    Wow, glad I found this thread... I'm just starting to look at rims for dt swiss 350 hubs. Both hubs are thru axle- 15mm frt & 12mm rear.

    So far I really like the EX 471 but the aluminum nipples have me a little concerned...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheckler View Post
    Wow, glad I found this thread... I'm just starting to look at rims for dt swiss 350 hubs. Both hubs are thru axle- 15mm frt & 12mm rear.

    So far I really like the EX 471 but the aluminum nipples have me a little concerned...
    Mine went together just fine today.
    My one complaint is with Fox fork, shimano post adapter, shimano caliper, shimano saint rotor, and DT 350 hub, I somehow have a rotor outside of the adjustment range of the caliper. I hate the idea of filing the slot on a powder-coated caliper. At least its just a Deore. I was a little peeved that the rear hub decal didn't line up with the possible valve locations. You don't have lacing options with the straight-pulls. Kind of weird I think.
















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    The aluminum nipples and steel washers laced up very nicely. The aluminum has some sort of thread locker or other treatment, a pale pink little booger was created in the torx part of each nipple when the spoke threaded in.

    I chose to oil the washers, just a drop of auto synthetic oil in the little drugs-bag was all it took.

    The tubelessization went more smoothly than any I've done. The tape was just the right width, seems similar to Stan's. I used a pair of some old valves. The tires went on fine. My 8-year-old bottle of Stan's was funny, it had all kinds of info on how much to use for 1.7 or 1.8 tires, and 2.0s, then it just said "use two scoops for downhill tires", so I guess 27.5x2.4s are 2006 downhill. I used 3.5 ounces, who knows. The tires were *just* hard enough to put on that I felt good about it. The compressor just popped the beads, and no fluid even leaked out. I'm used to white bubbles around the valve etc, but nothing.











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    Ordered a set of ex 471 rims
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    Nice build. I have the same setup but am worried about Hub strength. How hard have you ridden on the 350 straight pulls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttchad View Post
    Nice build. I have the same setup but am worried about Hub strength. How hard have you ridden on the 350 straight pulls?
    Wheelies in the street so far. Headed to Ray's indoor on Monday though. I just hope I can get my brake drag figured out.

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    good luck! I gave up along time ago.

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    Hi, what about running this rims tubeless? Did the tires seats well and didn't the tires blows under the bead while riding? I am looking forward to your answer. Regards Tom

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    Tires will pop once the bead seats. It takes a great deal of effort to unseat them.I am using the bontrager xr4 tires only sealed the rims with duct tape. No fluid yet and they have not lost any air over the past week.

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    I've never had a set seat as nicely as these. I'm using Continental Mountain Kings. The DT tape was exactly the inner width of the rim (the wider part inside the hooks), and it went on well. The front held pressure without even being sauced around, and the rear is working up to it (still loses pressure over a week, but haven't ridden it a mile total yet).

    Very good results so far, more after I get some miles on it.

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    I have the EX 1501 Spline One wheel set. Which uses the same rim (EX 471) and have 28 spokes. The wheels are bombproof and tires are mounted tubeless very easy. I use Michelin Wild Grip'r Advanced 2.35. Lower pressure in the tires is no problem. Normally I run 1,5 bar front and 1,7 bar rear in XC usage. For "Enduro" I use 1,6 front and 1,8 rear. I'am 83 kg + 10 kg on clothing and backpack.

    With my rear wheel I hit a hidden concrete irrigation gutter quit hard. It was in a descend with +/- 40 km/h. I couldn't stop in the descend, after the descend i check my wheel. I only lost a little bit of air, the rim had no visual damage and was still straight.

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    I've been running 26er 471's for four months, they taken a few direct hits to the hook. There is a scratch at the point of contact, but no deformation to the hook. I've cracked 5 carbon rims in the last year this way, and am impressed by these alloy rims.

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    Thanks for answers guys. I am deciding between these DT Swiss rims and WTB KOMs i25. I am still not sure if these DT rims are so good like I read here, because in the past almost of DT rims weren't so good and it is hard to believe, that DT makes so good rim like this now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMbikerCZ View Post
    Thanks for answers guys. I am deciding between these DT Swiss rims and WTB KOMs i25. I am still not sure if these DT rims are so good like I read here, because in the past almost of DT rims weren't so good and it is hard to believe, that DT makes so good rim like this now...
    Perhaps this video will show that DT Swiss did their homework for these rims:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUoCSzVmhhQ

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    As impressive as that is, it probably flattened everything out. I would think if it held it's shape, DT would be plastering close up pictures of this rim everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokarsky268 View Post
    As impressive as that is, it probably flattened everything out. I would think if it held it's shape, DT would be plastering close up pictures of this rim everywhere.
    I think the point is that the wheel didn't buckle. We all expect the rim will have to be replaced.

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