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    Do you have more bike than you need?

    I know I do. My pitch pro can handle a lot more than I can dish out. I basically just ride xc, no real jumping or DH. I am basically riding stuff I would have done on my rigid trek 800when I was riding at 14 in 1994. I like riding an AM bike though just because I got that extra cushion if I need it, plus it does make the descents/log piles more enjoyable. When it is time to get a new bike, I will probably get another AM bike even though I know that I wont push its limits. So, do you have too much bike or are you really pushing the limits of the one you got?????

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    i think i have a little too much bike in my xam. i think a trance or xtc would be perfectly adiquit. but in the same vein i could ride a rigid but it would beat me up a lot. you dont really need the suspension it just makes it nicer.

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    My bike(s) can definitely take more than I can throw at them. But I don't believe I have more bike than I need.

    My riding would take a huge step backwards in enjoyment if I was to drop back to an XC bike for my trail bike but my Mojo (heavily) built can definitely do a lot more than I am asking it to do (i.e. I am not a pinch on the likes of Brian Lopes levels of skill).

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    Riding is all about the amount of fun you are having. So as long as you're enjoying it, who cares if you have too much bike? Doesn't matter, just ride the thing.

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    I can tell you that I prefer to have more bike than I need rather than not have enough...

    Worst case scenario with too much bike: "oh no, I have too much bike..." (rides on)

    Worst case scenario with not enough bike: "he died doing what he loved..." (said at funeral)
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    My Trance is like warm porridge, just right. I doubt I'll ever need the full travel (unless I hit something by surprise) but it's nice to have just in case.

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    I probably do, but it's a conscious decision. I hate having to fear for any components breaking, and hope to be riding bigger in the future. My current bike which is "too much" has already made me up the par significantly, and I hope it will continue to do so.

    I also hope to get to ride more places where it's not too much bike this coming summer.

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    I typicaly use 5 inches of travel regularly and my bike has 6.5. I like having the extra though because I plan on hitting parks this summer. But yeah, I think I could easily make due on a 5 Spot with a 150mm fork instead of an RFX with a 160mm fork.

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    well, i debate on my parker. its supposed to handle alot, yet sometimes it breaks on a bunny hop, haha. but, the new CS is holding up pretty good. But, I would prefer to have a bike thats more than i need. That way, when i have a wild hair up my ass and see something cool to try, i wont say "i dont want to break my bike". I would rather use the excuse," i dont want to break my ass". Overall, mine is just perfect. Skatepark, done. DH, done. all day trail riding, done.

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    For a lot of what I ride the GT Sanction 1 full-squish rig with 6.5" of travel's more than what I typically would need. But I've begun riding some trails that I've never been on before and some of them have had unexpected rough stretches where I was instantly glad to have "more bike".

    That said, I'm trying to continue improving my skill set on other trails I am familiar with so as to try not fall into the habit of letting the bike cover for lazy riding.

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    I do not do drops or any crazy stuff. Maybe if I was twenty years younger I would be less worried about downtime or worse.
    But I am on a heavier side, and I like that my bike(s) is unlikely to disintegrate if I plow though some rocks with my usual lack of grace. It is all about the margin of safety.

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    Too much bike? may be on the climb, on my 6" bike but never on the descend. If it's easy and not too technical, I'd find way to have more fun and use up my suspension, why not

    It just so happen my 6.5" bike is the best climbing bike I own, just a bit heavier than the others that's all

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    My Rune can handle much more than I am currently dishing out. However, I'm over 200 pounds with all my gear, and like technical terrain with the odd drop here and there. Better to be safe than sorry imo.

    I have found real world riding differs a lot from what most riders describe on the internet as well. The web reads like this for many AM riders: Hey, I'm an aggressive rider and I'm looking for a bike that can climb and bomb harsh terrain. I won't go bigger than 4 feet on most days but will hit the occasional 8-10 foot drop on my favorite AM loop.

    Real world translation for certain folk: I'm looking for a bike that I will rarely ride and I drop ledges that are 6" to 1 foot high. If I'm feeling it, I will hit a four footer to smooth tranny at a resort

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    Nope. I have a 6" bike, and I feel like I'm riding reasonably close to its full potential. I routinely take it off 10+ foot gaps and 4+ foot drops. And if I overshoot the tranny on some of those drops (which I do often enough) they become more like 8-10' to flat. Next year, I plan to use my bike for a couple downhill races in the easiest class and hit some of the freeride stuff while I'm the resort. Like I said...nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh
    Nope. I have a 6" bike, and I feel like I'm riding reasonably close to its full potential. I routinely take it off 10+ foot gaps and 4+ foot drops. And if I overshoot the tranny on some of those drops (which I do often enough) they become more like 8-10' to flat. Next year, I plan to use my bike for a couple downhill races in the easiest class and hit some of the freeride stuff while I'm the resort. Like I said...nope.
    You do that with a big ring on?

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    just something interesting to think about but fully utilizing a bike in a mechanical sense is a very fine line. cross that threshold and you have two halves of a bike instead of one bike. maybe im making no sense but, like, if you were pushing your bike to the max wouldnt it be beneficle to step up to a more capable ride? eg: if you are railing your trance downhill and off drops and off jumps and the trance can take it but its at its upmost limits wouldnt a reign be better to give you some breathing room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    You do that with a big ring on?
    :shudder: No way. I ditched that a while ago. Rarely used it, and I was tired of slicing my legs or pants if I got careless. I'm running the 22/36T SLX with stock bash. I may go 1x10 with a 32T chainring on my next bike. I just need to get a little bit stronger for the climbs.

    Edit: Are you looking at the bike in my profile pic? No way in hell I'd take jumps like that on a QR Float 32. Once I get my Command Post soon, everything on my bike when that shot was taken will have been upgraded except for the headset. I guess I should update the pic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh
    :shudder: No way. I ditched that a while ago. Rarely used it, and I was tired of slicing my legs or pants if I got careless. I'm running the 22/36T SLX with stock bash. I may go 1x10 with a 32T chainring on my next bike. I just need to get a little bit stronger for the climbs.

    Edit: Are you looking at the bike in my profile pic? No way in hell I'd take jumps like that on a QR Float 32. Once I get my Command Post soon, everything on my bike when that shot was taken will have been upgraded except for the headset. I guess I should update the pic...
    Ah.. I looked at your profile bike photo and got worried.. I think many people do not realize how badly one can main himself with a 44.

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    I personally don't think I have too much bike, if anything sometimes I have too little bike for some of the rides I do. I often venture over to the DH trails with my 5.5inch Prophet and watch my bike bottom out every drop and get kicked around underneath me through the rock gardens. However I also think that I have just enough bike for everything around here locally. Just enough for me to have fun on the hard trails and still get a little scared. I could use a 160 fork up front though.....that 32 Talas QR is flexing a bit more then I like.

    However I do wish I had a 29er for my other trail riding at times, I definitely dont have too much bike for some of the things I ride locally, but often times I find myself on a trail where I wish I could have a more efficient and lighter bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Ah.. I looked at your profile bike photo and got worried.. I think many people do not realize how badly one can main himself with a 44.
    I use to do stuff like that with my big ring! Now its just a 38 with no bash. Also I do drops and gaps with my QR talas...........

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    Doesn't matter how much travel you have; as long as you feel like you have more travel than you need then you always get to push your boundaries. It's a nice feeling not to have the thought cross your mind that your equipment is holding you back in some way. I would always rather have more travel than less travel either way. I find you get a nice slack bike if you tend toward the longer travel bikes which is also a plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2clue
    I use to do stuff like that with my big ring! Now its just a 38 with no bash. Also I do drops and gaps with my QR talas...........
    Single ring is not as bad, as you always have chain on it.

    I am sure you do fine with a QR, we all did. It works. .. but it is all about the margin of safety. I would not get a new fork without a through axle, just like I would not buy another car with electronic stability control. For that one time when your skills and attention decide to take a nap..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Ah.. I looked at your profile bike photo and got worried.. I think many people do not realize how badly one can main himself with a 44.
    Oh yeah... I found that out the hard way when I dropped my bike awkwardly after carrying it for a while and sliced my shin right to the bone. That wasn't much fun.

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    I have two bike,one for travel,one for daily riding

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    I had a 4" XC full susser and was using all the travel front and rear and hanging on for dear life on the downs. I replaced her with a Yeti 575 and haven't found it's limits yet but I'll keep looking

    Built a 650B hardtail for the rides where the Yeti is too much bike.
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    thats why is good to have two bikes, one all mountain 160mm travel and one hardtail whit 120-130 travel, you take the all mountain one or two days and do your regular trails (climbing, singletracks, jumps etc) and other day take the hardtail do the same trails is gone be harder goin down and the jumps, but if you can do it fine you now that having a more bike than you need at the end is gona make you a better rider and a happy guy.

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    Thats what I am sticking to for now--- 2 bikes.
    I gone through the whole process of having too little bike, too much bike at some point and too many bikeS at a single point of time

    For now, the best combo to cater for all the offroad riding and jumping around that I do is a 6"x6" + a long travel hardtail (that is soon going to get a 160mm fork)..

    My 6" EG does just about everything and is the main workhores .. the hardtail helps to maintain the techy skill edge

    It helps that both bikes are set up (or at least in the process of completion) which can make the parts easily swappable.

    Like both having long travel TA forks running same rotor size. Lighter wheels on one and a more bombproof set on another. All of these can be swapped around into either a "overbuilt unbreakable" combo or "lightweight" package on either bike depending on the ride of the day.

    Physically 2 bikes but keep a couple of other things like bar/stem handle combos....

    The combination can work out to be like having 5-6 different bikes without having to really have that many around.

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    I don't believe I have more bike than I need.

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    i have less than i need
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    i have a 5.5 inch AM bike, but mostly ride x/c trails. but I also like the extra suspension for the times I hit the tech stuff. I am looking to replace this with a lighter trail bike as I am finding 33 lbs quite a load on the climb. Looking at a 29er fs or light 26 5 inch trail bike. I am going around a around looking at several bikes but havn't narrowed my list yet.
    Mach 429
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    ASR 5 I like this one!
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    I will make the move this spring. or later.

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    @nagatahawk I recommend adding the Turner Flux with a 120 up front to your list. My boyfriend just got one and it is sweet! The ASR5 and Flux were in my top 3, but I wanted more all-mountain, so I went for the Ibis Mojo SL.

    As to the Q. On AM trails, I don't have more bike than I need in the Ibis Mojo SL. While the bike is capable of doing much more than I can make it do, I take full advantage of its travel pretty much every ride and can descend much faster on this bike than on my previous 100mm bike.

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    my trail bike has 140mm travel front and rear and frequently use every bit of it. The QR fork out front it the only thing that keeps that bike from being abused really hard.

    The other bike has 180mm rear and 200mm front it comes out on trail rides when I feel like hitting the larger features that I don't fell safe hitting with a non thou axle fork.

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    I sure do and that's how I want to keep it. I want to catch up with my bike, I don't want to be let down by my equipment.

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    I've seen all types riding the same stuff I ride with early 90's hardtails. And I still get off and walk the really hairy stuff, so yeah, it's a sign that my bike is overkill for my skill level.

    But it doesn't mean I don't have fun. I have scars to prove it.

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    Ever since I started riding mountain bikes - early 90's - I had never had enough bike. It took a while for the industry to catch on, (or for more bmx'ers to get involved ) and build bikes to take the abuse. Granted, tougher bikes have been available a while now, but my last bike (Reign) was absolutely perfect, not too much, not too little. My current ride, and Enduro, is likewise perfect. Takes all the drops I can dish out, and it does not hinder my progression to bigger moves.

    My DH bike, on the other hand, is probably more bike than I need, even when I ride DH. I can only hope I have time and courage enough to push that bike to its limits, haha.
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    while building up my Covert I saw a posting on Craigslist for Saint brakes/r. der/frt shifter all for $325!! the guy was giving up dh. So, yes. but it works SO well and it will last me 2 more frame lifetimes probably.

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    No such thing as overkilll for brakes IMO. You never know when they will come in handy!

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    I feel like i am riding about at the limits of my Reign. I love it to death, and don't ever think I'll part with it, but i can definitely see myself getting a bigger, stronger bike in the near future so I can hurl my carcass down a mountain with even more reckless abandon
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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos
    I feel like i am riding about at the limits of my Reign. I love it to death, and don't ever think I'll part with it, but i can definitely see myself getting a bigger, stronger bike in the near future so I can hurl my carcass down a mountain with even more reckless abandon
    What would you get that is bigger than a Reign - or do you mean you'd move up to a DH rig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos
    I feel like i am riding about at the limits of my Reign. I love it to death, and don't ever think I'll part with it, but i can definitely see myself getting a bigger, stronger bike in the near future so I can hurl my carcass down a mountain with even more reckless abandon
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    Or maybe the Reign X (once they fix that breaking link issue). The RX can take anything up to freeriding and DH racing with the right component spec, but it's still very capable for climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh
    Edit: Are you looking at the bike in my profile pic? No way in hell I'd take jumps like that on a QR Float 32. Once I get my Command Post soon, everything on my bike when that shot was taken will have been upgraded except for the headset. I guess I should update the pic...

    Look at 4x/dual slalom racing or even dirt jumping. That exact same fork, quick release and all, is very very common. Even on pro/world cup bikes. Those forks can take a beating.
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    Not enough; my 6 Point is burlier than 90% of all AM bikes but I've stepped it up a lot over the last 2 years. What I've found tho is that it's better for your riding skills to have too little bike as you just learn to ride smoother. I give my friends grief because they both ride Demo 8's on all of the FR stuff (and my M3 collects dust). I almost pulled the trigger on a full blown FR rig this week but job uncertainty held me up. That's fine, I love the 6 Point, just hope she holds up. Anyone want to trade a new gen Faith for an M3?

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    frame wise, no not really. my hoss isnt the latest and greatest boutique frame but its simple and durable. ideally id like something that is a little lighter/quicker to accelerate but im not racing either.

    component wise, yeah. id like to upgrade the fork from the old DJ2 i have on it, better wheels, tires etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk_Knight
    Look at 4x/dual slalom racing or even dirt jumping. That exact same fork, quick release and all, is very very common. Even on pro/world cup bikes. Those forks can take a beating.
    Oh, I'm not worried about the fork holding up. I know it can take abuse. It's my own safety that's the issue. I'm not a pro with pro-level skills, control, smoothness, and reflexes. My Lyrik has saved my ass a few times when I miscalculated something and ended up landing awkwardly. I'll gladly take all the plushness, stiffness, and damping contol I can get in situations like that, and the Float 32 just doesn't cut it for me.

    Also, 4X, DS, and DJ are generally on reasonably smooth trails that have been carefully groomed. I rarely do that kind of riding. I've only ever been on a proper DJ/DS course once, and it was a bit of a pain on my long, squishy bike. Most of my riding has me bombing rough mountain trails and some of the places I catch air have potentially sketchy take-offs and landings (roots and rocks). There are some jumps I simply refused to attempt when I had the Float becuase I didn't feel like I would have enough margin of safety. My Lyrik on the other hand gobbles up that sort of thing like pacman hunting down dots. It feels remarkably like a mini Boxxer once set up right...

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