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    Dakine Nomad vs Dakine Drafter vs Wingnut Hyper 3.0

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    Have narrowed my bag search down to the subject line three. Have been using a Deuter Crossair for 5 years and its still holding together, but weighs an absolute ton before ive put anything in it due to metal air flow frame.

    I carry a 2 litres of water generally, specialised windpipe pump, Altura crosslite jacket, Royal racing Jersey, additional energy drink, inner tube, phone, puncture repairs, zip ties, topeak multi tool, car/house keys and sandwhiches.

    So lots of compartments to organise things is a must, comfort is essential, hardwearing, waterproof would be nice (deuter had a pull out waterproof day glo cover)

    Anyone give me some thoughts so I can make the purchase
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    camelback hawg

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    Dude it has to be the wingnut, its miles more comfortable than my old camelbak mule.

    I'll get some photos at the weekend

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    Do you ever plan on carrying pads or leg armor? if so, the Nomad is your only choice.

    The Nomad is super comfy and has really decent straps, can carry a ton, but is still pretty sleek. You can even carry a full-face on the outside, and remove the belt should you so choose. Best all around pack of the three you have mentioned, and better then the equivalent Camelbak (have owned both)

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    I rode with a Dakine Drafter for a year and then switched to the Nomad. I originally didn't need/want a large pack since I didn't need a ton of water and I was only carrying the essentials (a few tools, jacket, water). What I found with the larger Nomad, is that it fits flatter against my back while riding since it was wider and longer. It has a larger capacity and the "stuff" inside just seems to fit better. Whereas, the Drafter was always pretty full and stuffed to the max - it seemed to feel more like a hunchback. I really love the Nomad! Just something to consider . . .

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    I have a Camelbak Mayhem, newer Nomad, Camelbak Blowfish, and older Nomad.

    There are 2 things I dislike about the new Nomad.
    First is there is no external pocket on the back of the pack like my Mayhem. This may not be a big deal to others but I like quick access to some of my tools. In order to get to the tools on the Nomad, I have to unclip the pouch straps and then open the larger chamber.

    Second is the bladder.
    The bladder tube is a bit thicker than the camelbak's and the valve where it meets the bladder is a bit bigger than the CB's. I just don't like it. I can feel the valve through the padding as well.
    Plus the opening of the bladder is a lot smaller than the CB's which sucks for ice.

    Just my impressions. I do like the fact that they changed the small side pockets. The zippers now can be reached while the pack is on but if you are not careful the contents can fall out.

    The Mayhem has better strap management. There are little velcro straps that you can use to shorten the cinch straps. The Nomad has a little elastic band which does nothing IMO.

    Just some impressions.

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    Nomad over the Wingnut

    I have a Nomad and Had a Wingnut Hyper 2.5. Hated the wingnut because of the lack of hose routing options, flimsy and poor construction, and lack of organizational pockets and such. The Nomad is much more like a camelback mule with a little bit bigger compartments and a big expandable pouch for jackets or armor on the outside.

    NOMAD gets my vote!

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    I have had the Nomad for about 4 months now and can't find a bad thing to say about it. Before that I only had a cheapo Caribee 2L unit which was more for hiking/running and never really sat well on my back for riding. The Nomad fits perfectly for the riding posture as it is designed specifically for cycling - it never moves around or anything. A few friends have mule's which seem to always shift to one side (which I notice when riding behind them). I'm wondering if this is because the mule isn't specifically part of Camelbak's cycling range?

    So far haven't had any probs at all with the Nomad. The elastic straps work well when you fold the strap-leftovers a few times & tuck them in. Yes, you do have to unclip the helmet holder to get to the tool parts - a worthy sacrifice in effort/time for how great a bag it is. I carry about as much as the OP other than a rain jacket. I find I'm usually either wearing it or not, other than when I get caught out in the rain*

    I find the padding to be really comfortable and good at wicking away sweat. The bag also doesnt get as stinky as my old one - no idea why.

    As far as waterproofing goes, last night I rode in pouring rain for over an hour (*) - what looked like a few showers on the radar turned into drenching rain for about 2 hours - without a rain coat. I had my phone in one side pocket and my remote entry car keys in the other. The outside of the bag was saturated, and everything within was bone dry. There is a waterproof compartment behind the helmet holder section, but I haven't used it yet.

    The bladder is excellent - I only ever fill it up with filtered water (have a separate filtered water tap) and so far haven't needed to clean it. Holds 3L well and still fits nicely on the back. The bite valve is tougher and larger than my old one, but that will just take some getting used to. I can fit ice cubes in easily - maybe I have smaller cube trays? The removable hose with shutoff valve is very handy for removing bladder for drying out wet bag (as it is currently doing on the front porch).

    Overall: ***** (5 Stars) But like I said, nothing much to compare it to personally.
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    Nomad gets my vote to , so comfy , great bladder , storage comparments , plus ff helmet and pad holders as well

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    thanks for great feedback so far

    I carry my standard helmet on the bag a lot but no pads. Although the "hunchback" pack syndrome where is bobs from side to side and protrudes off your back too much is my pet hate. I've ruled the Drafter out as I think with all my stuff is would be a very full pack and not spread accross my back too well.

    With my current pack i'm used to taking it off for everything even to get a bottle out of the side pockets. The airflow mesh on the back wastes so much space the inside (even though quoted as 25 litres) is also too narrow so to get something out i usually have to empty other bits out first. But i'm so used to how bad it is and heavy it is - a new pack is going to be a revalation!

    The Hyper is whats been delaying me in getting a new pack, as i've yet to see one or try one in the flesh. One part of me thinks great idea, looks well made and full of unique features...

    but on the otherhand I read a lot of reports of them simply falling apart, no organisation in the main chamber and i'm still not 100% on the look of it (almost like a mudgaurd - probably very functional but looks a bit wrong )

    Can anyone furnish this post with some pics of the Nomad or Hyper?

    My friends have various Camelbacks and i'm not to keen on them.
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    Wingnut- the side pockets are amazingly good, the lowered weight is great for balance and is great for core cooling. I've got the 2.5 and am very happy with it. I'm a complete gear freak when it comes to backpacks... my only gripes are that the zip pulls should be brightly coloured instead of black and there should be a security tab to clip keys onto. Seriously, my gripes with the Wingnut are that minor. Oh, and the Wingnut guys never respond to emails.

    Unlike soslow, I have no problems with hose routing and the construction appears very rugged. Organisation is fine- the 2.5 has 1 main compartment, a bladder sleeve, 2 zippered wing pockets and 2 mesh wing pockets. The 3.0 look similar.

    I can post closeup photos of the 2.5 when I get home, if that'd help. Let me know.

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    +8 on the NOMAD. Built well, tons of space, organizational options, etc.

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    Yeah any photos would certainly help of the above bags
    [SIZE="1"][SIZE="2"]i can't ride for sh*t but i'm good at extreme pushing[/SIZE][/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by capoz77
    Yeah any photos would certainly help of the above bags
    Here you will find the definitive Dakine Nomad thread.

    Here are two that I just happen to have access to from the office - nothing special, just mundane action shots.

    Let me say that these pics are taken with the pack loaded (3L and supplies, less the camera, of course). The pack looks like it is riding high - at least it doesn't feel like it rides that high. I think it has something to do with my back arching for the tech stuff vs. sitting upright for regular riding. For "frame" reference, I am 6/230ish.

    Hope that helps bud. No protuberances there.
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    For you guys that have had Dakine Nomads, and Camelbak HAWGs. Would you consider the nomad to be the dakine equivalent of the HAWG in terms of size and storage capacity? or would the size and storage capacity be more comparableto the Camelbak Mayhem?
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    it seems the Nomads is favoured in sheer numbers over the other packs on MTBR.

    Great pics CZ, is really does appear to distribute very well on your back
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    i have the nomad too, was deciding if i wanted something so big (in measurement), compared to the drafter, but after i got it, it wasn't exactly as big as i thought, in fact it was just nice, everything fitted perfect, had a pocket for everything.


    btw mine's the 08 ver, will try to get a pic of it fully loaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capoz77
    Yeah any photos would certainly help of the above bags

    Here are some photos of the 2.5 to give you some idea of what the Wingnuts are like. The build quality is good- on par with the better pack manufacturers such as Osprey. Much better than what I've seen from older Camelbaks. The cloth is some kind of weird reinforced sailcloth- it's quite stiff, which helps the bag retain it's shape when not full.

    The sternum strap has a built in whistle, and I've ended up using the small pocket on one shoulder strap to hold my phone (it's supposed to hold a gel flask).

    The zippered side pockets hold a lot (I can fit all my tools + tube in one). The mesh pockets are good for a pair of gloves and a couple of gels. A helmet fits easily under the rest of the bungee cord.
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    womble thanks for the pics! i've found a shop locally that stocks wingnut am going to try one this weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr11
    i have the nomad too, was deciding if i wanted something so big (in measurement), compared to the drafter, but after i got it, it wasn't exactly as big as i thought, in fact it was just nice, everything fitted perfect, had a pocket for everything.


    btw mine's the 08 ver, will try to get a pic of it fully loaded.
    What does the 08 have extra over previous years?
    [SIZE="1"][SIZE="2"]i can't ride for sh*t but i'm good at extreme pushing[/SIZE][/SIZE]

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    another vote for the wingnut. after using camelback since 92, i switched a few years back to the wingnut, and it is a night and day difference for ergonomics and comfort. I really couldn't be happier. the wing pockets and mesh pockets are incredible for access while on your back. Until I need to get my jacket out, I never have to take the pack off. It is so easy to access your tools or food with it on your back. Empty it is really light for the size. Also very waterproof without the need for a ghey rain cover. It eliminated my thoracic back pain on long rides.
    Only gripe, the price, but you get what you pay for.

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    I have had an Ultimate pack for years that sits really low on my back. This helps with cooling and stops the pack flopping about on steep descents. The pack is superbly made, with fully shaped and padded shoulder straps, small pockets and sturdy waist/chest harness. Unfortunately it's been discontinued - I dread the day when it finally wears out... the current crop does nothing for me.

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    Could use some advice on... Hydratioin Packs

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    UPDATE

    Went for the Nomad after a lot of deliberation. Very very impressed. Been using for about 4 months and i'm still finding pockets! fleece lined pockets, side pockets, foil pocket inside the helmet carry outer, the rear hydration pocket is a huge time saver, the inside accessory pockets have many compartments.

    The waist straps were starting to neg me out though as I only use the chest strap - guess what they come off! A very nice velcro pad lets them be removed and the bag seals 100% where they used to sit like they were never on there in the first place.

    Comfortable, spacious, light, highly reccomended.
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    nomad!! yay!! good choice

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