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    Chris King or Cane Creek?

    I'm building up an AM rig and I can't decide which headset to go with. All aesthetics aside, which headset should I use, a Chris King or a Cane Creek SOLOS? Please base your answers purely on mechanical superiority and not on weather you like one more than the other.
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    Did you check the cane creek 110 http://www.canecreek.com/cane-creek-110-headset.html ?
    I don't think that you could go wrong with a 110 year warranty.
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    I don't have a Cane Creek Solos, but I have an S-2, one of their cheaper models and I'm amazed at how good it is. Now, I've read a fair amount of bad reviews for the S-2 and took a gamble, but it's worked flawlessly for me and I honestly think it's better than Chris King. The two headsets are very similar - how different can headsets be? similar weight, great bearings, but Cane Creek felt like it had less seal drag so that's why in my opinion Cane Creek is better. Speaking solely from a mechanical point of view, CC headsets are centered by a cone washer while King headsets are centered by an o-ring, which can cause creaking. I've had the S-2 for about a year so I can't compare it to the reliability of a King, but the bike gets ridden extensively and sees trail riding, light freeride, and urban.

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    I have a King and a Creek on separate bikes. Both perform their intended tasks without issue, so whichever you select should be a fine choice. Take whichever saves the most cash IMO.

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    Cane Creek

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    Set up properly both are excellent Headsets.


    That said, the 110 would be my choice.

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    I run both Solos and CK headsets. The Solos seems to be stiffer to me, it locks down better than the CK, the CK feels like it has a little more 'play' in it.

    However, both are very good headsets, and either one would do the job.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMBERRR
    Set up properly both are excellent Headsets.


    That said, the 110 would be my choice.

    110 is going on my upcoming new build

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    Cane Creek, Solos, 110, S8, whatever, the Cane Creeks have better engineering than the King. Chris King doesn't have the licensing of the Cane Creek Aheadset. The King No-Threadset design is an inferior go-around to the Cane Creek patents.

    So some searches on the Turner forum especially about King headset creaking.

    The King is dead, long live the king of headsets: Cane Creek.

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    Thanks for all your responses. I think I am going with the Cane Creek 110. From what I've heard, it has superior engineering to the CK, plus I love the fact that it has a 110 year warranty
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8shadow8
    Thanks for all your responses. I think I am going with the Cane Creek 110. From what I've heard, it has superior engineering to the CK, plus I love the fact that it has a 110 year warranty

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    Go Cane Creek... Save yourself around $80...

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    I've found the Solos to be an exceptional headset. Great performance, same 10 year warranty as a CK and way less $. The 2 different height top-caps is another plus.

    That said, I want a 110

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoTreadOnMe
    I have a King and a Creek on separate bikes. Both perform their intended tasks without issue, so whichever you select should be a fine choice. Take whichever saves the most cash IMO.
    Same here, I agree. -GT2005

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    Cane Creek Zs22 Aheadset

    I can't complain. It's well constructed and the install was super simple. The oversized setup and butter smooth and it was simple to adjust. Took me a lot less time to get the tension right. Love it!
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    The 110 is really sexy and looks well built. I wonder if I would have bought it instead of the nothreadset had I known earlier. That said, CK have a very good reputation and I doubt you will have any problem with their headsets!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8shadow8
    All aesthetics aside, which headset should I use, a Chris King or a Cane Creek SOLOS?
    Neither, get an S2 or one of many perfectly good $40 alternatives and put the other $90+ towards something useful. This answer is based somewhat on mechanics, but mostly common sense. But if somebody told me I had 135$ and could only spend it on one headset and could not keep the change, I'd get the Cane Creek 110. 110 year warranty?

    Edit: Sorry, I meant S3, not S2, though I have had good luck with the S2, too.
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    A Cane Creek S-8 is selling for only $35-40 on eBay, Superb headset, significant smoother and stiffer than my stock Aheadset.

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    Cane Creek

    I built up a bike a few years ago, couldn't decide whether to go just basic S-2 or a Solo. I emailed Cane Creek asking them if they thought I should "upgrade" to the Solo. They replied that for my riding style (AM light) the S-2 would be fine. They didn't even try to suggest that I would be better off with the Solo. Thought that was pretty cool of them. Now I have S-2s on two of my bikes and an S-3 on another and never a problem.

    I don't think CC makes the S-2 in a 1 1/8" anymore but they are probably still available on flea bay. The S-3 (essentially a cheaper S-8) is still made.
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    I have a Cane Creek S-3 on my Heckler and it works perfect!! I also have a brand new CK that I got free with my Fox fork and have been debating if I should install it on the Sette Shadow hardtail I am building up. I finally decided against installing a headset that costs as much as the frame and bought another S-3 for $30 to install. I am sure the CK is great but cannot imagine how it can work any better than the Cane Creek. Now I just have to decide if I should sell the CK or just keep it as a spare or for a future build.
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    Check out Sunline too... they make a REALLY sweet headset.

    I've had several CKs and won't buy another one until they get rid of that silly rubber o-ring and replace it with some sort of a compression wedge.

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    I ran a King HS - no problems. Sold it with a bike (increased value)
    I ran a CC S-2 for 1.5 years, no problems. Destroyed a set of bearings when being stupid trying to remove it.
    I am now on a CC S-3. No problems.

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    Agree with other posters

    I have an S2 on my old bike that gave me years of trouble free riding. I spec'd a CK on my new bike mostly for the sexiness of the King name. I dont see that it performs any better than the S2 and in fact has developed a creak even though it is torqued to spec.

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    Hmm... does this thread represent some kind of tipping point? Most posts are pretty much in favour of Cane Creek. Opinion is usually much more evenly divided. Interesting.

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    CANE CREEK!

    The 110 is the best HS ever imo!
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    Could be....

    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    Hmm... does this thread represent some kind of tipping point? Most posts are pretty much in favour of Cane Creek. Opinion is usually much more evenly divided. Interesting.

    We're also likely hearing from people who have purchased headsets recently. 10-15 years ago, I don't know what CC was like but I do know CK was basically a buy and forget, lifetime purchase.

    So while Cane Creek may have comprable or even better headsets for less money, I'm not motivated to spend more money on a part that won't provide any appreciable performance increases or provide any specific benefit other than potentially a better design.

    So we're likely not hearing from a lot of people running CK's because if they're like me, they're not interested in trying something new because what we have works and works well.

    CharacterZero's idea about selling a CK with a bike and getting a CK is a good idea. But I have no plans to sell my 5-Spot or Retrotec any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC
    I'm not motivated to spend more money on a part that won't provide any appreciable performance increases or provide any specific benefit other than potentially a better design
    Actually, that's why I never bought a CK

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    I have both a CK and a CC S8 on my two bikes. I don't notice any difference between the two. Now that the CCs come in blingy colors like CK, it makes them that much more appealing.

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    If Chris King made a headset at the $30 pricepoint it'd be possible to compare

    I just bought two Cane Creek crown races for $10 each and an S-3 for $30 at Jenson. How much do CKs go for at their lowest price?
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    I have King made in Portland, Oregon. It feels the way it did when it was new and the only thing I done to it was switch frames. I have not have any problems with it, no creeks, no seize bearing, no issues whatsoever. I have no need for a new headset but if I did I will get another King.

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    It really depends what it's going on. If you ride mostly XC then they will both be ok. That said anything with a longer travel fork or really aggresive riding the Cane Creek is a better choice, the higher leverage of a longer travel fork really starts to expose the weakness in the King design.

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    Cane Creek!

    Cane Creek for sure.

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    along the lines as other have noted.....if for a single speed or a long travel fork, King is a bad choice.....i just know way too many people (self included) that have had problems with the creaking and have abandoned them altogether. I LOVE the Cane Creek Solos and just ordered a Cane Creek 110 to replace my second annoying creaking King headset

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    I just bought two Cane Creek crown races for $10 each and an S-3 for $30 at Jenson. How much do CKs go for at their lowest price?
    Compare the King to the 110 from Cane Creek... That would be a fair comparison. Both retail at around 130 bucks, but the CC has the compression ring that makes it not to creak or tick like the King.

    Another victim of Creak King. It's nice for sure... oozes quality. But the design is dated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Compare the King to the 110 from Cane Creek... That would be a fair comparison. Both retail at around 130 bucks, but the CC has the compression ring that makes it not to creak or tick like the King.

    Another victim of Creak King. It's nice for sure... oozes quality. But the design is dated.



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    <h1> CANE CREEK <h1/>

    its..... better

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    Is CC environmentally conscious and pro-active like CK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shatbirdbicycle
    Is CC environmentally conscious and pro-active like CK?
    don't know, but I do know I will never forget my ipod again like I did today. king was creaking loud as a mofo when standing and was driving me nutz....cant wait till replacement gets here! I will keep it green happily by recyccling that POS on eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by shatbirdbicycle
    Is CC environmentally conscious and pro-active like CK?
    Probably not. I would venture to say that this really has no bearing on what headset most people choose anyway.

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    Question?

    This may be dumb, but where would the new Crank Brothers headsets fit into the picture since they are licensed from CC?
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    Running a king and will be pulling it for a 110. That compression ring is nice with a 7 inch fork.

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    Had my CK for 8 years, on 3 bikes. No creaks or play, minimal maintenance, and has survived numerous cack-handed installation attempts by my good self.

    If I ever need another headset, it'll be a King.

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    Thanks, everyone...

    Thanks for all the super input! I can't believe how many of you favor CC I love it. I just ordered the CC 110 and can't wait to install that bad boy on my SC BLT and hit the trails.

    Thanks again
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    oh yeah...

    oh yeah and should I mention that I only paid $83 for it!!! Way cheaper, and better than CK sorry to say it, but it's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8shadow8
    oh yeah and should I mention that I only paid $83 for it!!! Way cheaper, and better than CK sorry to say it, but it's true.
    wow! that is dirt cheap......nice move for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8shadow8
    oh yeah and should I mention that I only paid $83 for it!!!
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8shadow8
    Thanks for all the super input! I can't believe how many of you favor CC I love it. I just ordered the CC 110 and can't wait to install that bad boy on my SC BLT and hit the trails.

    Thanks again
    I just installed another one [on my new bike] last night... You won't be sorry with the 110!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese
    Where?
    Brand new in box with star nut, fork race, spacers and warranty of course from ebay (an American seller).The only time people get screwed on ebay, is when they don't know what the hell they are doing. I've bought in excess of 100 items from ebay and have never had any issues some of them being whole bikes or wheelsets just name a few of the bigger things. The key to ebay is simply being a competent buyer. While were on the subject of getting thing really cheap off ebay, I might as well mention that just last year I bought a like new Giant Anthem 0 for $2150 INSANE DEAL!!! Anyway, either you hate ebay or you love it.
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    One of my CK headsets is almost 8 years old and its been on a bunch of bikes, the other is pretty new.

    CK are built with very high tolerances. If its creaking in your headtube, I'd say your headtube has the issue.

    Never had this issue..
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