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    Carbon Handlebars ?

    Building up my old 6" trail bike after riding a hardtail all summer. I have most of my parts together but need new bars. I have never run carbon parts on my bikes, but am tempted to try the Protaper AM carbon bars to save a little weight. Would you run a carbon bar on your all mountain bike? I tend to crash alot and live in the northeast, so when I go down there is usually an impact involved (trees, rocks, stone walls, logs). Are modern carbon bars up to the task? I am not looking for throw away parts.

    This question has probably been asked before, but I did not find much discussion using the search function so links would be appreciated too.

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    I run that bar on my Blur LTc - 1/2" rise. Wide, feels good, no flex... I've not crashed on mine so can't tell you about durability.
    That said, carbon bits == torque wrench & carbon paste.
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    I'm running enve DH bars. They received their first scratch after 3 months or so. I sent a pic to enve they said it's nothing to worry about. Am I 100% confident in the structural integrity of my bars? Not 100%, but I'm trusting these bars can take a few hits.

    All carbon is not equal. I don't know anything about protaper. Easton is offering a life time warranty on their havoc bars I think? Enve says their DH bars may reach their expected life span in 2 years? WTF Enve? I only bought mine because I got a smoking deal, I wouldn't recommend buying over priced bars that may have a short life depending on frequency of use. Carbon is supposed to have a longer fatigue life than metals too?

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    I run carbon frame, post, bars on my Enduro. Have had a few falls out west in rocks and there's not a single scratch on those parts. In today's world carbon is no longer a weak point. They are stronger and often lighter than AL. I would not hesitate one bit on carbon (as obvious by the carbon DH bikes flooding the market along with DH carbon bars and such).

    Pricepoint has the Answer Carbon AM bars for $90 right now, best deal out there. The Easton Haven Carbon's are lighter by about ~40gr (9mm narrower at 711 vs 720), but they also run ~$130. The Specialized Enduro Carbon bars are 720mm and 205gr and run retail $130. There are numerous 660-680mm carbon bars out there if that width fits your needs. I have some FSA K-Force carbon bars on my Enduro, they are 660mm I belive and were only around 160gr and feel very stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    Are modern carbon bars up to the task? I am not looking for throw away parts..
    Yes and pay the extra for some Eastons, lifetime warranty and they stand behind it.

    Look at the warranty attached to carbon bars to judge what the company thinks of their product, there's some supposedly DH carbon bars floating around that come with warnings about jumping and 12 month warranties on the box... right...

    Also invest in carbon grip paste.

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    just bought a set of riser 31.8 monkeylite's for my enduro, hope they are good
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    If a company tells you that you need to replace a set of bars in 2 years
    I would go somewhere else. Either they have junk bars or they just want
    to get in your wallet. I've been using Easton bars for years and have not
    had a single problem with them.

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    i have a set of raceface high rise handle bars ive gone down on a few times and even went over the handlebars and there holding up find... i paid somewhere around 150 for them but i wouldint risk cheap carbon

    i think its been said here before but there are different types of CF and different weaves, if you buy a good set you should be fine carbon fiber is suppose to be stronger than aluminum

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    Building up my old 6" trail bike after riding a hardtail all summer. I have most of my parts together but need new bars. I have never run carbon parts on my bikes, but am tempted to try the Protaper AM carbon bars to save a little weight. Would you run a carbon bar on your all mountain bike? I tend to crash alot and live in the northeast, so when I go down there is usually an impact involved (trees, rocks, stone walls, logs). Are modern carbon bars up to the task? I am not looking for throw away parts.

    This question has probably been asked before, but I did not find much discussion using the search function so links would be appreciated too.
    I just got an Answer Protaper Carbon 720mm bar. Love it. I'm not afraid of carbon fiber from a reputable company.

    This gets argued about a lot.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    I have been running a Easton Haven Carbon on my Nomad for the last year and it is fine on drops act. I run a Havoc carbon on my V10. Both bars have landed on rocks ect and are fine. if you gouge carbon bar enough that you should replace it you would need a new Alum bar.

    I was riding at Bromont Que and Mont St Anne and the bars met the rocks a few times at high speed and are fine,

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    those answer bars really do have a special bend to them. i feel so much more confident, comfortable, and aggressive with them compared to other bars ive tried. wish i could comment on the durability of the carbon

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    hi guys, what do you think of these ? any good ? right now i am using syntace vector which are great but wanna get true DH bars for better control. i could get these for fairly good price

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    Running Easton cf bar. Robust.

    The weakest aspect of a cf bar is its crush strength (ie. bar end clamps can damage the bar if proper plugs are not used.

    FWIW, I have snapped alu bars (landing from a jump on my old Marin XC bike) but not carbon.
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    CAR BON all the way. One of the best investments you can make and you will feel a difference.
    Ran an old Easton Monkeylite and still holding strong, replaced it with a new Easton Havoc trimmed to 730 for my DB 6x6 and I too got my Answer 720am for 90 bucks too from PP. That went on my Stumpy EVO. The Answer is way blingy compared to the Easton. Trying to convince my ridin buddies about carbon bars still...
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    Ran Easton Monkeylite's on my old bike. They were great right up to the point where I landed a jump, the bars twisted down in the stem with the brakes pointing straight up, and I hit a tree. Broken knee cap, cracked sternum, and a broken rib... not to mention the huge gouge taken out of bar when it spun around.

    Probably a 99% chance that won't happen to you, but just be aware. With that said, I am getting the aluminum EA70 risers for my new bike.

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    Let me add that my terrain is pretty much xc here in MO with the occasional AM sort of riding here and there. So it's fair to say I'm not really pushing carbon to its limits...
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    Easton Monkeylite DH bars for years now-drop after drop, jump after jump......nuff said. May get the new Haven Carbon's for my SX

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    I really like my havens. I snapped them in a spectacular race crash that also snapped the seat off its rails and gave me a bad concussion. Probably would have severely bent/broken another bar as well. Easton sent a new one in less than a week. Good folks there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thustlewhumber View Post
    Ran Easton Monkeylite's on my old bike. They were great right up to the point where I landed a jump, the bars twisted down in the stem with the brakes pointing straight up, and I hit a tree. Broken knee cap, cracked sternum, and a broken rib... not to mention the huge gouge taken out of bar when it spun around.

    Probably a 99% chance that won't happen to you, but just be aware. With that said, I am getting the aluminum EA70 risers for my new bike.
    Wow, that really sucks, sorry to hear it.

    I'm not sure that what happened was due to it being CF. I don't think CF is any more likely to twist in the stem than Al.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    I was watching a roadie sprint race in Reno 5 years ago. A guy from Washington snapped his carbon bars at the stem and went down really really hard at around 40 mph. Happened right in front of me. Don't know what brand, or anything about his stem. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls36 View Post
    Easton Monkeylite DH bars for years now-drop after drop, jump after jump......nuff said. May get the new Haven Carbon's for my SX
    A few years ago, I had an Easton Monkeylight DH bar on my wife's bike. It fell of the back of my car going around 60 mph. Needless to say, the bike was a mess (bent rims, saddle rails turned in to a pretzel). The bars got hit hard enough to twist a fairly stout stem, but the bar did not crack or break. The ends were kind of buggered up. Anyway, that really hit it home to me how strong a CF bar can be. Of course, I did toss the bar after that.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    I was watching a roadie sprint race in Reno 5 years ago. A guy from Washington snapped his carbon bars at the stem and went down really really hard at around 40 mph. Happened right in front of me. Don't know what brand, or anything about his stem. Just sayin.
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    And maybe you should think about how a 5 year old PC stacks up against an equivalently equipped one today...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    Building up my old 6" trail bike after riding a hardtail all summer. I have most of my parts together but need new bars. I have never run carbon parts on my bikes, but am tempted to try the Protaper AM carbon bars to save a little weight. Would you run a carbon bar on your all mountain bike? I tend to crash alot and live in the northeast, so when I go down there is usually an impact involved (trees, rocks, stone walls, logs). Are modern carbon bars up to the task? I am not looking for throw away parts.

    This question has probably been asked before, but I did not find much discussion using the search function so links would be appreciated too.
    There are other reasons to run carbon besides saving weight. Strength, stiffness, dampening are good reasons to chose carbon. I've got carbon on my dh bike, the slopestyle bike and the pump track bike. Carbon is nice.

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    Running Easton Havec 750mm bars on mu Tracer....So far perfect bars!
    They're super strong! They don't flex, super comfy bend, and the width has lot of room to be cut.

    I'm running it at full lenght, and although they sometimes feel a tad to wide, specially uphilling, I wouldn't cut them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Yeah...
    And maybe you should think about how a 5 year old PC stacks up against an equivalently equipped one today...
    Gee. And I thought this thread was about carbon fiber handlebars.
    Just describing what I saw Paul. Thought it might be worth mentioning.

    Thanks for the suggestion though...

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    have had many brands of carbon bars. only cracked one going over a log. klein's stratum 90. Superlight and supposedly were super durable. maybe had a crack from a previous crash... i'll never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    Gee. And I thought this thread was about carbon fiber handlebars.
    Just describing what I saw Paul. Thought it might be worth mentioning.

    Thanks for the suggestion though...
    Evolution of CF tech hasn't been static, and 5 years is a good bit of time...just making a comparison to something else that exhibits evolution
    Basically, your 5 year old observation is meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Evolution of CF tech hasn't been static, and 5 years is a good bit of time...just making a comparison to something else that exhibits evolution
    Basically, your 5 year old observation is meaningless.
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    Believe this July's incident is quite relevant, and a big-carbon eye opener.

    No it didn't happen JRA.. No longer will I trust my teeth/face to carbon.

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    And a November non-handlebar carbon event.

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    I ran CF Monkeylite bars for years. Never an issue. When crashing usually the frame is at more of risk it seems, and a lot of AM bikes frames are CF. Anyhow moved to Al Answer Protaper bars a year ago. I can't tell any real world difference in the feel between CF and these Al bars. I would ride either happily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyin_W View Post
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    Believe this July's incident is quite relevant, and a big-carbon eye opener.
    Serious question, how tight must the brake lever have been to cause a failure there? Never had a bar fail there, always at the stem with an almighty CRUNCH...

    That an xc bar failed in a bunnyhop competition isn't exactly a jaw dropping revelation either. Fit some Havoc carbons, they'll keep your teeth much safer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Serious question, how tight must the brake lever have been to cause a failure there? Never had a bar fail there, always at the stem with an almighty CRUNCH...

    That an xc bar failed in a bunnyhop competition isn't exactly a jaw dropping revelation either. Fit some Havoc carbons, they'll keep your teeth much safer
    Or better yet an aluminum Renthal Fatbar. I feel much safer on one of the most respected moto manufacturers offerings than any carbon bar out there. I want my suspension fork to provide dampening for my hands and arms, not my handlebar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmac999 View Post
    Or better yet an aluminum Renthal Fatbar. I feel much safer on one of the most respected moto manufacturers offerings than any carbon bar out there. I want my suspension fork to provide dampening for my hands and arms, not my handlebar.
    Good point, but Renthal stuff's made in Birmingham, I have a hard time trusting a Brummie with anything, nevermind me life!

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    I'm a big guy (over 200 lbs) just getting into aggressive descending so I choose some bad lines but I've had no problem with carbon bars. I run the Easton Havoc DH bars and love them.

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    i trust haven carbon bars with my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Serious question, how tight must the brake lever have been to cause a failure there? Never had a bar fail there, always at the stem with an almighty CRUNCH...

    That an xc bar failed in a bunnyhop competition isn't exactly a jaw dropping revelation either. Fit some Havoc carbons, they'll keep your teeth much safer
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    Must lack your knowledge of all things carbon. Seriously, placing blame on the owner or the bars. Are you by chance a doctor? Perhaps this isn't jaw dropping, yet do know that when they snapped it left quite an impression on many. Can't imagine that a 2 ft leap on grass is more demanding than aggressive AM riding. No mo carbo for me, thanks.

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    bunnyhopping with clips? it's almost cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    All carbon is not equal. I don't know anything about protaper. Easton is offering a life time warranty on their havoc bars I think? Enve says their DH bars may reach their expected life span in 2 years? WTF Enve?

    Not only just Enve or carbon bars have that restriction. If you read the fine print many manufactures only have an expected life span of one season on even aluminum bars (I even had one manufacture email me telling me that when I was asking about the chrome finish on my aluminum bars flaking - they advised it is normal and that the bar should be replaced annually - and they offered me a discount for my next bar).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Not only just Enve or carbon bars have that restriction. If you read the fine print many manufactures only have an expected life span of one season on even aluminum bars (I even had one manufacture email me telling me that when I was asking about the chrome finish on my aluminum bars flaking - they advised it is normal and that the bar should be replaced annually - and they offered me a discount for my next bar).
    That info needs to be in bold print, not berried in a long warranty disclaimer. I fully understand some parts aren't designed to last super long, but that info needs to be clearly stated so we as consumers can decide if we are ok with disposable parts.

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    So with 160mm of travel and a front tire that I run at 22-25 PSI am I really going to notice a difference between a havoc al vs the havoc carbon? I am not worried about weight. I could see them making a difference on a bike with less suspension am just thinking its not worth. Maybe you can convince me otherwise.
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    Do I actually need to post pictures of broken Aluminum bars to dementrate they break as well? I know someone that broke an arm when her aluminum bar snapped. The fact that it took 1/2 second instead of 1/20 second to fully fail did not matter a whole lot.

    Carbon and aluminum both break, and aluminum can snap suddenly as well and leave you flat on your face. But the point is, both happen very rarely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronabrandt View Post
    So with 160mm of travel and a front tire that I run at 22-25 PSI am I really going to notice a difference between a havoc al vs the havoc carbon? I am not worried about weight. I could see them making a difference on a bike with less suspension am just thinking its not worth. Maybe you can convince me otherwise.
    I do notice a difference between AL and C bars and I'm currently running a 180 fork. It's not earth shaking, but there is a difference. I notice a more muted feel, less feedback, and a more forgiving feel overall. These traits aren't dramatic, but I do notice them

    I own Enve bars that have a lot of flex designed into them so I don't know how much difference I would notice with another C bar.

    I'm not going to try to convince you or anyone to buy C bars, but there is a difference in feel. Whether or not it is something you like, or feel is worth the extra money is up to you.

    Weight savings really isn't that much, difference in feel isn't dramatic, and there's the never ending durability debate.

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    You still never answered my question from the first thread about your bars. Do you have a warranty on them? If so where is it written?

    Crankbrothers Iodine 11 are solid and have a 2 year warranty. On my second set of 740mm bars. The first pair that were on my carbon Remedy got ground down on both ends after falling off and being dragged by a shuttling trailer. Cut those bars down to 720 and used them until my new ones came. Cut them down further to 700 and are living on the Mrs. Fuel Ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyin_W View Post
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    Yup! This one is relevant. So, the question is just as Fix asked: what kind of torque was used on the brake clamp? Check the last sentence of the 2nd post on this thread.

    The stay crack on the Trek:
    Did it crack 'n' fail due to an impact before or did it hit the spokes after the crack 'n' fail? Anyway, was that a Superfly 100 frame? I've been told that frame, either '09 or the '10 model had 100% failure rate...seems to suggest Trek screwed the pooch somewhere in manufacturing, yeah? And, from all reports, Trek has warrantied every one... M'thinks they pushed the envelope too far...maybe a bit of hubris from their Madone days?

    But then there are the V10c and Fury on the WC circuit. I've been keeping an eye on any news of (carbon) frame failures...SC and GT. No news to date.
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    the wifes monkeylites make me nervous when i ride it , hmmmmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronabrandt View Post
    So with 160mm of travel and a front tire that I run at 22-25 PSI am I really going to notice a difference between a havoc al vs the havoc carbon? I am not worried about weight. I could see them making a difference on a bike with less suspension am just thinking its not worth. Maybe you can convince me otherwise.
    Maybe.

    I run 170 coil front and rear, weigh 230 or so kitted up, run in the range of 25+ psi in the front and notice a difference.

    Havoc carbon. Nerve damage in my right hand (yes, riding related). I notice a significant difference in the amount of time and amount of rough terain I can ride before having to stop for a "hand-rest" whilst riding the carbon bar.

    The bar has also taken the normal ride down the hill on a few occasions, when I have spontainiously decided to play in the Gong show. Have one light scratch. They are tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Yup! This one is relevant. So, the question is just as Fix asked: what kind of torque was used on the brake clamp? Check the last sentence of the 2nd post on this thread.

    The stay crack on the Trek:
    Did it crack 'n' fail due to an impact before or did it hit the spokes after the crack 'n' fail? Anyway, was that a Superfly 100 frame? I've been told that frame, either '09 or the '10 model had 100% failure rate...seems to suggest Trek screwed the pooch somewhere in manufacturing, yeah? And, from all reports, Trek has warrantied every one... M'thinks they pushed the envelope too far...maybe a bit of hubris from their Madone days?

    But then there are the V10c and Fury on the WC circuit. I've been keeping an eye on any news of (carbon) frame failures...SC and GT. No news to date.
    Don't forget to ask "who made it" Great alloy and crappy alloy aren't that far apart in strength. Crappy carbon is just scary. Good carbon is bomber (unless someone's really trying to push the weight boundaries). Seeing an unknown's handlebar break is not an eye opener, nor is the frame. Take a look at bustedcarbon.com
    Most the stuff is roadie, but the xc mountain stuff shows up now and then. If it's "all mountain carbon", I don't generally care for it (I do have a Sixc bar though). If it's dh carbon then count me in. But I'm also in with carbon all mountain frames.

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    [QUOTE=Pau11y;8794202]Yup! This one is relevant. So, the question is just as Fix asked: what kind of torque was used on the brake clamp? Check the last sentence of the 2nd post on this thread.
    No idea, not me, or my bike.
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    The stay crack on the Trek:
    Did it crack 'n' fail due to an impact before or did it hit the spokes after the crack 'n' fail?
    No mark of impact near the crack, and nothing ever contacted the wheel/spokes/rim. No idea of just how/when it happened, finished a 9 mile ride, and when putting on the rack, saw the broken stay.

    Anyway, was that a Superfly 100 frame?
    No, a 2008 GF Hi-Fi 29er WR frame

    I've been told that frame, either '09 or the '10 model had 100% failure rate...seems to suggest Trek screwed the pooch somewhere in manufacturing, yeah? And, from all reports, Trek has warrantied every one... M'thinks they pushed the envelope too far...maybe a bit of hubris from their Madone days?
    Trek really did not want to warranty this frame. My (?) went unanswered for 3 weeks, and until I asked the reg mgr "How is it possible that a spoke can be stronger than a CF seatstay", did they agree to replace.
    Just returned from the LBS with an '11 Hi-Fi Pro frame. Instantly noticed the bigger pivots, added weight, and no more carbon stays. Me thinks it be much mo betta!
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    All my bikes have CF handlebars I trust it a 100% buy from a reputable company and U going to be fine. Have had many crashes on all of it with 0 failure so far.
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    Neg rep for post, because I've had carbon fail - wtf?

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    Your bars were "budget" carbon bars man, not that I have any personal riding experience with any carbon bars. I just don't look to ragley as the leading carbon handlebar manufacturer.... or the leading manufacturer in anything really. Its not like they made them anyway.
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    This is an unsolvable debate and you all are wasting your time arguing back and forth. There are tons of variables to consider that determine the strength of a bar (AL or CF). Simply over tightening a stem cap bolt can create a stress point in a CF bar for example.

    If you are happy with your handle bar, wonderful. If you are not happy, then go buy one that makes you happy. Lets drop the nonsense and move on, or better yet GO RIDE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronabrandt View Post
    Your bars were "budget" carbon bars man, not that I have any personal riding experience with any carbon bars. I just don't look to ragley as the leading carbon handlebar manufacturer.... or the leading manufacturer in anything really. Its not like they made them anyway.
    no one "makes" them. carbon production is pretty much outsourced by everyone. the ragleys are most likely made right beside a "name" brand "non budget" brand.

    ragley aren't an ebay chinese carbon brand. they have a warranty as good or better than most "name" brands.

    i may be crazy but until a see moto guys on carbon i'll stick to aluminum. yes, i realize it can fail but for my handlebars i'm more than okay with a few extra grams for my piece of mind and that's the whole issue here. personal perception.

    run with what "you" feel comfortable with. if you have any doubts in the back of your mind over carbon or aluminum bars while in the midst of your ride, somethings wrong. ride what you want. screw other people's opinions on what material is best. it's not like you see tons of " my carbon bar failed" threads or one's like that on aluminum. so if the op feels comfortable with carbon bars and feels they might provide him with more dampening and there is no cost to his piece of mind , run them. if not run aluminum.

    as far as dampening, i personally don't know. perception is different for anyone and when you want something to work a certain way because you are expecting it, it usually does. there's a reason placebo drugs work sometimes. the power of your mind can do amazing things. so ride with what makes you feel comfortable

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    I typically don't worry too much about what the pro's ride because they are on the pay role, but check this out: Bearclaw runs Easton Carbon Bars for dampening on hard landings. He likes the way they flex. Carbon can be designed to have as much or as little flex as the manufacturer wants. Alloy is limited in this capacity.

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    This is a little off topic, but back in the 60's
    I broke a set of steel handlebars. Plus I
    remember when everyone thought aluminum
    was way to fragile to use for bike parts. Oh
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    Sorry, I never saw your first reply, and just now saw this one. I'll try to get the warranty language and post it up.



    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    You still never answered my question from the first thread about your bars. Do you have a warranty on them? If so where is it written?

    Crankbrothers Iodine 11 are solid and have a 2 year warranty. On my second set of 740mm bars. The first pair that were on my carbon Remedy got ground down on both ends after falling off and being dragged by a shuttling trailer. Cut those bars down to 720 and used them until my new ones came. Cut them down further to 700 and are living on the Mrs. Fuel Ex.

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    I washed out the other day, apparently keeping my hands on my Easton Monkeylite carbon bars the whole way. The last 3/4 inch of bar, including the ODI plastic over it was completely shattered.

    That said, that stuff is tough. It was a hard hit. What would aluminum have done? Maybe bent the end? I just don't know.
    Those carbon bars are the only carbon I've ever run, so I'm no fanboy or anything. Most likely I'll go back to aluminum, but I'd be confident running quality carbon again. It's just cost vs weight really.
    (The bars were about 3 years old btw, so no warranty and no major loss)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyin_W View Post
    Neg rep for post, because I've had carbon fail - wtf?
    That is no reason for negative rep. I agree with you.


    Carbon fiber is just that- a FIBER. It is just like a cable or a rope, only strong in tension. ALL (yes I mean every single stress) forces that act in compression on a carbon fiber object are taken up solely by the epoxy holding it together. Handlebars, for example will have a compressive hoop stress at the stem, brakes, shifters, lock on grips, etc. A compressive hoop stress also results in a tension in the bar, but that isn't a big deal due to the strength of the fibers. Now the downward force you put on the bars with your hands puts the top of the bar in tension (not a big deal) and the bottom of the bar in compression (big deal). Due to the construction of CF, the epoxy has to be strong enough to not buckle/yield from these forces. As soon as the epoxy fatigues enough to develop a crack, you get a stress concentration and a rapid failure. If the bars don't see too high of forces, they will be fine (as would aluminum, steel, wood, licorice, cardboard, you get the picture). The problem is, with a CF bar, it comes down to the epoxy for all compressive strengths.


    I am just analyzing carbon fiber bars as any engineer would.

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    I know weight savings on carbon bars is secondary to fee/dampening but does anyone notice a weight difference on the first ride?

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    I was leery of carbon seatposts and bars until Easton came out with the CNT versions. It's not a weave but nano cylinders that interlock and make for a superior structure.

    IMO, CNT is the only way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    I know weight savings on carbon bars is secondary to fee/dampening but does anyone notice a weight difference on the first ride?
    No. Not the first ride, or the second, or the 50th.

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    indifferent about carbon

    When I had to get a new handlebar I debated about buying carbon, but then I thought that a handlebar takes a lot of beating and I was afraid it would had a good chance of failing to easily. I was also concerned about how barends work on them. I did, and i'm sure i will in the future get conflicting opinions, but for now I stay with any material except carbon.

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    I am not worried about carbon strength anymore. I have had a carbon fiber bike and it was as strong as alloy. If downhill guys use them, then that just shows their strength. Yeah, some will fail, but it's rare and all types of handlebar materials will fail.

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    Full confidence in the Carbon Easton Haven's. I got my new bike with them at 710mm.
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    [QUOTE=1banger;10015427]Full confidence in the Easton Havec's. I got my new bike with them at 710mm.[/QUOTE

    Good to hear. That is what I have coming in the mail tomorrow.

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    Every mountain bike the wife and I have, has carbon
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    Two bikes with Race Face SixC DH bars. No issues, no qualms. 100gms. lighter than their alloy version I'd been running, same width and angles. Cautious with the torquing of controls is all I've done. I do give them a bit more attention when the bikes are in the stand, just to eyeball for cracks and anything funny looking.

    A couple carbon bars I tried in years past didn't give me the same feeling - creaks and popping noises while riding along sketched me out. They may have been fine, but they made me way too nervous.

    Do/did I notice the weight difference? No, not on their own, but when together with everything else lighter that you may run, well, it all adds up.
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    I have gone for Easton Havoc Carbon, light strong and a chuckable 750mm wide :-)

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    Chromag is coming out with a carbon bar in Jan. That's the one for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    If a company tells you that you need to replace a set of bars in 2 years
    I would go somewhere else. Either they have junk bars or they just want
    to get in your wallet. I've been using Easton bars for years and have not
    had a single problem with them.

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    yes, agree with you. I have been using easton bars for almost 4 years, no problem ...

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    I had some Easton Havens 711mm. Before they snapped I thought they were great. That said I'm buying Havoc 35mm bars when they come back in stock, plus a torque wrench. I will photograph and document the installation incase they break also.


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    I've had carbon Easton Monkey light XC bars (685mm) for over 4 years without a problem. I've gradually changed my bike to more trail oriented and bought ENVE carbon DH bars and cut them down to (760mm) and I have no reservations about the strength of carbon.
    Now watch them snap on me

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    Stop buying the 35mm easton stuff. We don't need another "standard"

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    Never had any issues with carbon bars. The Answer ProTaper Carbon bars are pretty darn tough, and the Syntace Vector carbon bars take it to the limit for strength (they get a VR-3 DH rating).

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    When I was building my most recent bike I asked one of the sales reps from a handlebar manufacturer if I should go carbon or aluminum. He asked if I was going to crash, I answered yes of course. Then he asked if when I crashed would I replace the bar after every crash. If I wan't going to do that then he told me to get aluminum.

    I went aluminum. Even then, I retire aluminum bars to towny or beater bike duty after 4-5 seasons regardless of being free from dents, dings or scratches. I've seen to many failed bars of all materials to risk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    I had some Easton Havens 711mm. Before they snapped I thought they were great. That said I'm buying Havoc 35mm bars when they come back in stock, plus a torque wrench. I will photograph and document the installation incase they break also.


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    Did you get hurt when they snapped? Did they snap near the stem or where? I just got mine in the mail today. Definitely using a torque wrench. Probably gonna get Oury slide on grips instead of the clamp on grips I have on my alloy bars right now. Are you supposed to use plugs on the bar ends?

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    Here is an interesting tidbit from one of my reviews...

    Syntace and their Testing
    Syntace is located in Tacherting, Germany, just north of Salsberg near the Austrian border, and has been around a long time. They manufacture excellent products, including handlebars, stems and tools, in the usual highly engineered German fashion. They literally abuse their products to death, doing intensive corrosion, impact and hardness testing, along with a lot of detailed hand measurements to keep everything to their exacting standards. They test their handlebars with the VR-3, which is a spiffy computerized tester, that can simulate pushing and pulling loads, alternate those loads on either side of the bars, simulate light to hard impacts, and do those simulations in an iterative process over long periods of time. What that means is they can reproduce, in a short period of time, all the punishment that we would replicate over many years of use. Very real world testing!

    Not only do you get an excellent and durable set of handlebars from this testing, and their QA/QC, but you get a 10 year warranty (albeit, bars installed and used according to the assembly instructions). I like how they state that the VR-3 performs a cyclical loop of torture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Did you get hurt when they snapped? Did they snap near the stem or where? I just got mine in the mail today. Definitely using a torque wrench. Probably gonna get Oury slide on grips instead of the clamp on grips I have on my alloy bars right now. Are you supposed to use plugs on the bar ends?
    I was lucky and only got a circular scratch on my chest (just below the nipple!). It snapped where the shifter/ dropper post remote was mounted on the
    I think clamp on grips are okay as you don't need to tighten them up too much to get them to stay put. Plugs are an absolute must, unless they are already incorporated in the end of the grips. Plugs may need to be trimmed a bit to fit in the end of carbon bars as the carbon wall is a lot thicker than on an aluminium bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    I was lucky and only got a circular scratch on my chest (just below the nipple!). It snapped where the shifter/ dropper post remote was mounted on the
    I think clamp on grips are okay as you don't need to tighten them up too much to get them to stay put. Plugs are an absolute must, unless they are already incorporated in the end of the grips. Plugs may need to be trimmed a bit to fit in the end of carbon bars as the carbon wall is a lot thicker than on an aluminium bar.

    (please excuse the nipple shot)

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    Were these under warranty? Did you have anything torqued too tight? And how old were they? Just curious how often this happens to people with carbon bars. Most people seem very happy with them and have no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Were these under warranty? Did you have anything torqued too tight? And how old were they? Just curious how often this happens to people with carbon bars. Most people seem very happy with them and have no problems.
    Im sure you'll be fine

    I'm getting some 35mm Havoc's next time, as they got to be strong if they are rated for DH right?

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    I just got my Havens last week. Have yet to put them on my bars. Getting Oury slide on grips instead of their clamp just to be safe (they are lighter too). Waiting for my new stem too. It sounds like I need to get some plugs too. Where do you get those at? Have never seen them before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    I just got my Havens last week. Have yet to put them on my bars. Getting Oury slide on grips instead of their clamp just to be safe (they are lighter too). Waiting for my new stem too. It sounds like I need to get some plugs too. Where do you get those at? Have never seen them before.
    All sorts of plugs here ==> Bar End Plugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Easton Carbon has a lifetime warranty to the original owner.
    Don't believe this. In my case they (Easton) said the brakes levers (that had been installed for 12 months) had be over torqued. I have been using carbon bars since 2006 and have two others on bikes at the moment with no issues. This is all information that I provided to Easton.

    If you want a warranty - Easton is not for you.

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    I broke an Easton monkey lite at the left shift lever clamp over 10 years ago, it didn't happen during a crash, but as I was accelerating and pulling back on the bar. I called Easton shipped em the bar and they shipped me a replacement. That replacement is still in use today, though not on my main ride anymore.

    Perhaps the UK distributor just sucks. Easton probably didn't respond likely because there is an agreement with the UK distributor that the distributor is to handle all warranty claims for the UK.

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    So guys, quick question. I got some Easton Haven bars. Gnna order some Oury slide on grips (Mountain Grips - Oury Grip USA ) . Do I need to order end plugs to go under the grips inside of the bar?
    If so, which ones would fit under under my Ourgy grips? I have been big end plugs that flare out, and that would make installing the grips a PITA. Any ideas?

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    What does easton say (in writing?) is the life span of their bars?

    Reason I ask is I was having a conversation with a rep from a high quality aluminium bar manufacturer, and was surprised that while the bars have a "lifetime" warranty they also stipulate in VERY fine print that the bars should be replaced annually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    So guys, quick question. I got some Easton Haven bars. Gnna order some Oury slide on grips (Mountain Grips - Oury Grip USA ) . Do I need to order end plugs to go under the grips inside of the bar?
    If so, which ones would fit under under my Ourgy grips? I have been big end plugs that flare out, and that would make installing the grips a PITA. Any ideas?
    Im running Easton Havoc's with ODI Rouge's . . . no end plugs inside the bar, but I do have endcapes to keep dirt etc. out.
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    Dunno where I saw that you should have end caps in there, but I will double check my manual.

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    The only time I've heard of running something inside the end
    of the handlebars is to support a set of bar ends. Plugs and
    caps are to keep dirt and crap out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    The only time I've heard of running something inside the end
    of the handlebars is to support a set of bar ends. Plugs and
    caps are to keep dirt and crap out.
    Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienRFX View Post
    Perhaps the UK distributor just sucks. Easton probably didn't respond likely because there is an agreement with the UK distributor that the distributor is to handle all warranty claims for the UK.
    I think your comment is spot on the money there AlienRFX. It has to be said that MerlinCycles, being the retailer that I got the bar from has been super helpful and doing all they could to come to an arrangement (such as a half price replacement bar). Top class.


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    Well I will install my bars next week when my new stem and carbon paste arrive. I will be sure to use a torque wrench as well. I will update if I end up breaking all my teeth out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Well I will install my bars next week when my new stem and carbon paste arrive. I will be sure to use a torque wrench as well. I will update if I end up breaking all my teeth out!
    For my bars, I used a Thomson stem torqued to spec, but shifters and brake levers are 0.5nm BELOW spec. This ensures a) that I'm well within tolerance for the bar and b) if I crash, they're more likely to spin than break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    Im sure you'll be fine

    I'm getting some 35mm Havoc's next time, as they got to be strong if they are rated for DH right?

    Cheers
    The only bars I have ever broken were aluminum. I have taken some nasty diggers on a lot of carbon bars and none of them has ever failed, which doesn't mean it can't happen (same with AL bars). I rarely ever use bar plugs, and usually leave my lock-on grips out by the ends to protect them from crashes. Most carbon bars have extra thickness under the grips, shifters and brake area, and then again by the stem.

    Syntace Vector carbon bars are 'VR-3 approved according to VR-3 downhill standard DH 2002.4, the world‘s toughest test standard for handlebars and stems.'

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