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    Neg rep for post, because I've had carbon fail - wtf?

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    Your bars were "budget" carbon bars man, not that I have any personal riding experience with any carbon bars. I just don't look to ragley as the leading carbon handlebar manufacturer.... or the leading manufacturer in anything really. Its not like they made them anyway.
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    This is an unsolvable debate and you all are wasting your time arguing back and forth. There are tons of variables to consider that determine the strength of a bar (AL or CF). Simply over tightening a stem cap bolt can create a stress point in a CF bar for example.

    If you are happy with your handle bar, wonderful. If you are not happy, then go buy one that makes you happy. Lets drop the nonsense and move on, or better yet GO RIDE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronabrandt View Post
    Your bars were "budget" carbon bars man, not that I have any personal riding experience with any carbon bars. I just don't look to ragley as the leading carbon handlebar manufacturer.... or the leading manufacturer in anything really. Its not like they made them anyway.
    no one "makes" them. carbon production is pretty much outsourced by everyone. the ragleys are most likely made right beside a "name" brand "non budget" brand.

    ragley aren't an ebay chinese carbon brand. they have a warranty as good or better than most "name" brands.

    i may be crazy but until a see moto guys on carbon i'll stick to aluminum. yes, i realize it can fail but for my handlebars i'm more than okay with a few extra grams for my piece of mind and that's the whole issue here. personal perception.

    run with what "you" feel comfortable with. if you have any doubts in the back of your mind over carbon or aluminum bars while in the midst of your ride, somethings wrong. ride what you want. screw other people's opinions on what material is best. it's not like you see tons of " my carbon bar failed" threads or one's like that on aluminum. so if the op feels comfortable with carbon bars and feels they might provide him with more dampening and there is no cost to his piece of mind , run them. if not run aluminum.

    as far as dampening, i personally don't know. perception is different for anyone and when you want something to work a certain way because you are expecting it, it usually does. there's a reason placebo drugs work sometimes. the power of your mind can do amazing things. so ride with what makes you feel comfortable

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    I typically don't worry too much about what the pro's ride because they are on the pay role, but check this out: Bearclaw runs Easton Carbon Bars for dampening on hard landings. He likes the way they flex. Carbon can be designed to have as much or as little flex as the manufacturer wants. Alloy is limited in this capacity.

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    This is a little off topic, but back in the 60's
    I broke a set of steel handlebars. Plus I
    remember when everyone thought aluminum
    was way to fragile to use for bike parts. Oh
    how things have changed.

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    Sorry, I never saw your first reply, and just now saw this one. I'll try to get the warranty language and post it up.



    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    You still never answered my question from the first thread about your bars. Do you have a warranty on them? If so where is it written?

    Crankbrothers Iodine 11 are solid and have a 2 year warranty. On my second set of 740mm bars. The first pair that were on my carbon Remedy got ground down on both ends after falling off and being dragged by a shuttling trailer. Cut those bars down to 720 and used them until my new ones came. Cut them down further to 700 and are living on the Mrs. Fuel Ex.

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    I washed out the other day, apparently keeping my hands on my Easton Monkeylite carbon bars the whole way. The last 3/4 inch of bar, including the ODI plastic over it was completely shattered.

    That said, that stuff is tough. It was a hard hit. What would aluminum have done? Maybe bent the end? I just don't know.
    Those carbon bars are the only carbon I've ever run, so I'm no fanboy or anything. Most likely I'll go back to aluminum, but I'd be confident running quality carbon again. It's just cost vs weight really.
    (The bars were about 3 years old btw, so no warranty and no major loss)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyin_W View Post
    Neg rep for post, because I've had carbon fail - wtf?
    That is no reason for negative rep. I agree with you.


    Carbon fiber is just that- a FIBER. It is just like a cable or a rope, only strong in tension. ALL (yes I mean every single stress) forces that act in compression on a carbon fiber object are taken up solely by the epoxy holding it together. Handlebars, for example will have a compressive hoop stress at the stem, brakes, shifters, lock on grips, etc. A compressive hoop stress also results in a tension in the bar, but that isn't a big deal due to the strength of the fibers. Now the downward force you put on the bars with your hands puts the top of the bar in tension (not a big deal) and the bottom of the bar in compression (big deal). Due to the construction of CF, the epoxy has to be strong enough to not buckle/yield from these forces. As soon as the epoxy fatigues enough to develop a crack, you get a stress concentration and a rapid failure. If the bars don't see too high of forces, they will be fine (as would aluminum, steel, wood, licorice, cardboard, you get the picture). The problem is, with a CF bar, it comes down to the epoxy for all compressive strengths.


    I am just analyzing carbon fiber bars as any engineer would.

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    I know weight savings on carbon bars is secondary to fee/dampening but does anyone notice a weight difference on the first ride?

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    I was leery of carbon seatposts and bars until Easton came out with the CNT versions. It's not a weave but nano cylinders that interlock and make for a superior structure.

    IMO, CNT is the only way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    I know weight savings on carbon bars is secondary to fee/dampening but does anyone notice a weight difference on the first ride?
    No. Not the first ride, or the second, or the 50th.

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    indifferent about carbon

    When I had to get a new handlebar I debated about buying carbon, but then I thought that a handlebar takes a lot of beating and I was afraid it would had a good chance of failing to easily. I was also concerned about how barends work on them. I did, and i'm sure i will in the future get conflicting opinions, but for now I stay with any material except carbon.

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    I am not worried about carbon strength anymore. I have had a carbon fiber bike and it was as strong as alloy. If downhill guys use them, then that just shows their strength. Yeah, some will fail, but it's rare and all types of handlebar materials will fail.

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    Full confidence in the Carbon Easton Haven's. I got my new bike with them at 710mm.
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    [QUOTE=1banger;10015427]Full confidence in the Easton Havec's. I got my new bike with them at 710mm.[/QUOTE

    Good to hear. That is what I have coming in the mail tomorrow.

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    Every mountain bike the wife and I have, has carbon
    bars on them. Not a single problem.

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    Two bikes with Race Face SixC DH bars. No issues, no qualms. 100gms. lighter than their alloy version I'd been running, same width and angles. Cautious with the torquing of controls is all I've done. I do give them a bit more attention when the bikes are in the stand, just to eyeball for cracks and anything funny looking.

    A couple carbon bars I tried in years past didn't give me the same feeling - creaks and popping noises while riding along sketched me out. They may have been fine, but they made me way too nervous.

    Do/did I notice the weight difference? No, not on their own, but when together with everything else lighter that you may run, well, it all adds up.
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    I have gone for Easton Havoc Carbon, light strong and a chuckable 750mm wide :-)

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    Chromag is coming out with a carbon bar in Jan. That's the one for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    If a company tells you that you need to replace a set of bars in 2 years
    I would go somewhere else. Either they have junk bars or they just want
    to get in your wallet. I've been using Easton bars for years and have not
    had a single problem with them.

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    yes, agree with you. I have been using easton bars for almost 4 years, no problem ...

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    I had some Easton Havens 711mm. Before they snapped I thought they were great. That said I'm buying Havoc 35mm bars when they come back in stock, plus a torque wrench. I will photograph and document the installation incase they break also.


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    I've had carbon Easton Monkey light XC bars (685mm) for over 4 years without a problem. I've gradually changed my bike to more trail oriented and bought ENVE carbon DH bars and cut them down to (760mm) and I have no reservations about the strength of carbon.
    Now watch them snap on me

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    Stop buying the 35mm easton stuff. We don't need another "standard"

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    Never had any issues with carbon bars. The Answer ProTaper Carbon bars are pretty darn tough, and the Syntace Vector carbon bars take it to the limit for strength (they get a VR-3 DH rating).

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    When I was building my most recent bike I asked one of the sales reps from a handlebar manufacturer if I should go carbon or aluminum. He asked if I was going to crash, I answered yes of course. Then he asked if when I crashed would I replace the bar after every crash. If I wan't going to do that then he told me to get aluminum.

    I went aluminum. Even then, I retire aluminum bars to towny or beater bike duty after 4-5 seasons regardless of being free from dents, dings or scratches. I've seen to many failed bars of all materials to risk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    I had some Easton Havens 711mm. Before they snapped I thought they were great. That said I'm buying Havoc 35mm bars when they come back in stock, plus a torque wrench. I will photograph and document the installation incase they break also.


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    Did you get hurt when they snapped? Did they snap near the stem or where? I just got mine in the mail today. Definitely using a torque wrench. Probably gonna get Oury slide on grips instead of the clamp on grips I have on my alloy bars right now. Are you supposed to use plugs on the bar ends?

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    Here is an interesting tidbit from one of my reviews...

    Syntace and their Testing
    Syntace is located in Tacherting, Germany, just north of Salsberg near the Austrian border, and has been around a long time. They manufacture excellent products, including handlebars, stems and tools, in the usual highly engineered German fashion. They literally abuse their products to death, doing intensive corrosion, impact and hardness testing, along with a lot of detailed hand measurements to keep everything to their exacting standards. They test their handlebars with the VR-3, which is a spiffy computerized tester, that can simulate pushing and pulling loads, alternate those loads on either side of the bars, simulate light to hard impacts, and do those simulations in an iterative process over long periods of time. What that means is they can reproduce, in a short period of time, all the punishment that we would replicate over many years of use. Very real world testing!

    Not only do you get an excellent and durable set of handlebars from this testing, and their QA/QC, but you get a 10 year warranty (albeit, bars installed and used according to the assembly instructions). I like how they state that the VR-3 performs a cyclical loop of torture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Did you get hurt when they snapped? Did they snap near the stem or where? I just got mine in the mail today. Definitely using a torque wrench. Probably gonna get Oury slide on grips instead of the clamp on grips I have on my alloy bars right now. Are you supposed to use plugs on the bar ends?
    I was lucky and only got a circular scratch on my chest (just below the nipple!). It snapped where the shifter/ dropper post remote was mounted on the
    I think clamp on grips are okay as you don't need to tighten them up too much to get them to stay put. Plugs are an absolute must, unless they are already incorporated in the end of the grips. Plugs may need to be trimmed a bit to fit in the end of carbon bars as the carbon wall is a lot thicker than on an aluminium bar.

    (please excuse the nipple shot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    I was lucky and only got a circular scratch on my chest (just below the nipple!). It snapped where the shifter/ dropper post remote was mounted on the
    I think clamp on grips are okay as you don't need to tighten them up too much to get them to stay put. Plugs are an absolute must, unless they are already incorporated in the end of the grips. Plugs may need to be trimmed a bit to fit in the end of carbon bars as the carbon wall is a lot thicker than on an aluminium bar.

    (please excuse the nipple shot)

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    Were these under warranty? Did you have anything torqued too tight? And how old were they? Just curious how often this happens to people with carbon bars. Most people seem very happy with them and have no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Were these under warranty? Did you have anything torqued too tight? And how old were they? Just curious how often this happens to people with carbon bars. Most people seem very happy with them and have no problems.
    Im sure you'll be fine

    I'm getting some 35mm Havoc's next time, as they got to be strong if they are rated for DH right?

    Cheers

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    I just got my Havens last week. Have yet to put them on my bars. Getting Oury slide on grips instead of their clamp just to be safe (they are lighter too). Waiting for my new stem too. It sounds like I need to get some plugs too. Where do you get those at? Have never seen them before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    I just got my Havens last week. Have yet to put them on my bars. Getting Oury slide on grips instead of their clamp just to be safe (they are lighter too). Waiting for my new stem too. It sounds like I need to get some plugs too. Where do you get those at? Have never seen them before.
    All sorts of plugs here ==> Bar End Plugs

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    Thanks!

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    Easton Carbon has a lifetime warranty to the original owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Easton Carbon has a lifetime warranty to the original owner.
    Don't believe this. In my case they (Easton) said the brakes levers (that had been installed for 12 months) had be over torqued. I have been using carbon bars since 2006 and have two others on bikes at the moment with no issues. This is all information that I provided to Easton.

    If you want a warranty - Easton is not for you.

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    I broke an Easton monkey lite at the left shift lever clamp over 10 years ago, it didn't happen during a crash, but as I was accelerating and pulling back on the bar. I called Easton shipped em the bar and they shipped me a replacement. That replacement is still in use today, though not on my main ride anymore.

    Perhaps the UK distributor just sucks. Easton probably didn't respond likely because there is an agreement with the UK distributor that the distributor is to handle all warranty claims for the UK.

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    So guys, quick question. I got some Easton Haven bars. Gnna order some Oury slide on grips (Mountain Grips - Oury Grip USA ) . Do I need to order end plugs to go under the grips inside of the bar?
    If so, which ones would fit under under my Ourgy grips? I have been big end plugs that flare out, and that would make installing the grips a PITA. Any ideas?

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    What does easton say (in writing?) is the life span of their bars?

    Reason I ask is I was having a conversation with a rep from a high quality aluminium bar manufacturer, and was surprised that while the bars have a "lifetime" warranty they also stipulate in VERY fine print that the bars should be replaced annually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    So guys, quick question. I got some Easton Haven bars. Gnna order some Oury slide on grips (Mountain Grips - Oury Grip USA ) . Do I need to order end plugs to go under the grips inside of the bar?
    If so, which ones would fit under under my Ourgy grips? I have been big end plugs that flare out, and that would make installing the grips a PITA. Any ideas?
    Im running Easton Havoc's with ODI Rouge's . . . no end plugs inside the bar, but I do have endcapes to keep dirt etc. out.
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    NINER Flat top Carbon Bars. You will be happy. PERIOD

    Quality they will stand behind

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    Dunno where I saw that you should have end caps in there, but I will double check my manual.

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    The only time I've heard of running something inside the end
    of the handlebars is to support a set of bar ends. Plugs and
    caps are to keep dirt and crap out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    The only time I've heard of running something inside the end
    of the handlebars is to support a set of bar ends. Plugs and
    caps are to keep dirt and crap out.
    Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienRFX View Post
    Perhaps the UK distributor just sucks. Easton probably didn't respond likely because there is an agreement with the UK distributor that the distributor is to handle all warranty claims for the UK.
    I think your comment is spot on the money there AlienRFX. It has to be said that MerlinCycles, being the retailer that I got the bar from has been super helpful and doing all they could to come to an arrangement (such as a half price replacement bar). Top class.


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    Well I will install my bars next week when my new stem and carbon paste arrive. I will be sure to use a torque wrench as well. I will update if I end up breaking all my teeth out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Well I will install my bars next week when my new stem and carbon paste arrive. I will be sure to use a torque wrench as well. I will update if I end up breaking all my teeth out!
    For my bars, I used a Thomson stem torqued to spec, but shifters and brake levers are 0.5nm BELOW spec. This ensures a) that I'm well within tolerance for the bar and b) if I crash, they're more likely to spin than break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    Im sure you'll be fine

    I'm getting some 35mm Havoc's next time, as they got to be strong if they are rated for DH right?

    Cheers
    The only bars I have ever broken were aluminum. I have taken some nasty diggers on a lot of carbon bars and none of them has ever failed, which doesn't mean it can't happen (same with AL bars). I rarely ever use bar plugs, and usually leave my lock-on grips out by the ends to protect them from crashes. Most carbon bars have extra thickness under the grips, shifters and brake area, and then again by the stem.

    Syntace Vector carbon bars are 'VR-3 approved according to VR-3 downhill standard DH 2002.4, the world‘s toughest test standard for handlebars and stems.'

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