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    Building an AM wheelset or off-the-shelf-spec, all on a budget, need recommendations!

    I have no idea when it comes to wheels. This is one part of my Ragley Blue Pig build that is still pretty much in the air. All I know is I want a 20mm front axle and the rear needs to be a 9QR 135mm size hub.

    Also I'm getting Shimano SLX disc brakes so hub choice can be either Centerlock or 6-bolt, but I'd prefer that latter, that way I can install my own rotors, have Centerlock on another bike and it's always a trip to LBS to get rotors off.

    As for the wheels, I may be swayed toward tubeless, but probably not, big volume 2.3"+ tires are always cheap and plentiful on sites and I don't mind running tubes.

    What I want from my wheels is for them to handle some abuse, nothing extreme, just aggressive singletrack with maybe a few 1-1.5 foot drops. I weigh 250, 6'3" so I need something to handle this size. Wheels don't have to be lightweight as the goal of this build isn't that.

    As for budget, I have set aside $300-350, but definitely no more than $400.

    Thanks!
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    Check out the Hope Hoops on chainreaction. I have been running the a set of the Hope hubs on DTswiss EX500 rims for a year with zero issues. Both of these are listed as out of stock but I hear they usually ship pretty quickly once the order is placed

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...ModelID=15900#

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=40780

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    yep i was going to say hope hoops with something like a flow rim.

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    performance xenduro. nothing comes close on a budget.

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    I had every intention of buying the Hope/Flow hoops on CRC, but I can't bring myself to purchase something listed as "out of stock." Thoughts?

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    hope with either mavic 721 or halo freedom disc. from crc

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    hope with either mavic 721 or halo freedom disc. from crc
    I think this is a winner, been reading reviews and I like it a lot.

    Just have to get a quote either from Universal Cycle or BWW since both offer custom built wheels.

    Anyone else offers such a service?

    How good are XT hubs or even SLX?
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    I've seen Easton Havocs on sale for around $325-350 lately.

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    Another vote for Hope. Got Hope Hoops with DT Swiss EX500 and the rear wheel 10mm through axle conversion kit for a total of $337 at Wiggle. But you can get them with some many rims to choose from. Wiggle's 20% off list price has another 15 hours left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneakyt
    Another vote for Hope. Got Hope Hoops with DT Swiss EX500 and the rear wheel 10mm through axle conversion kit for a total of $337 at Wiggle. But you can get them with some many rims to choose from. Wiggle's 20% off list price has another 15 hours left.
    How are you getting the code to work? It does nothing for me.

    Price is 223.89 and 133.13 for the Hope Hoops with Mavic EX721 rims.

    And the code doesn't work with wheels. Check the small print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    I had every intention of buying the Hope/Flow hoops on CRC, but I can't bring myself to purchase something listed as "out of stock." Thoughts?

    I have read on here a couple times that the orders are usually filled pretty quickly.

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    I have different outlook on CRC. Im in my third week of waiting for my package to arrive.

    Go with Saint hubs and Dt Swiss F600

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    How are you getting the code to work? It does nothing for me.

    Price is 223.89 and 133.13 for the Hope Hoops with Mavic EX721 rims.

    And the code doesn't work with wheels. Check the small print.

    Sorry man. I guess they just put up the restriction. I ordered the wheels during their first XMAS-20 code, during Thanksgiving. Still a good deal though.

    Remember to use the £5 off voucher (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/newsletter/a...ndetails.aspx). Use one voucher for each wheel, so you'll get £10 off. Good luck.

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    Everyone saying the Hope hubs are the best, they are kinda pricey though. Any alternatives to them?

    But knowing myself, I'll probably get them anyway with Mavic EX721.
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    superstar switch evo ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Everyone saying the Hope hubs are the best, they are kinda pricey though. Any alternatives to them?

    But knowing myself, I'll probably get them anyway with Mavic EX721.
    they're far from the best. especially the front. lots of good options out there, shimano slx hubs are quite a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Everyone saying the Hope hubs are the best, they are kinda pricey though. Any alternatives to them?

    But knowing myself, I'll probably get them anyway with Mavic EX721.
    I wouldn't say they're the best. But for the price, reliability, and versatility in converting to different axles, I think they're worth it.

    BTW, the rear wheel w/ EX500 just came at the door by USPS. The hub is so loud!

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    Nukeproof Generators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot
    they're far from the best. especially the front. lots of good options out there, shimano slx hubs are quite a deal.
    Figured they were one of the better choices, every where I read I see them mentioned, they are kinda pricey IMO.

    As for the SLX, they were my original choice and Mavic EX721 rims.

    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    superstar switch evo ^
    Will give them a look. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Nukeproof Generators?
    Also on top of my list, just got to check price on CRC again for them.
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    I've got generator hubs laced to flows. Very happy with them so far, with about 30 galby rides on them. The engagement isn't super quick but it is quick enough for me and quicker than my old onyx hubs. The rear hub looked great and is light in hand. The front had a blemish and the adapters don't fit equally as tight but both are snug. I laced it up instead of trying to get a different one and I haven't had any issues with it mated to my Lyrik.

    My only complaint about them, which may be the case similar convertible hubs, is I cant change from 20mm to QR without remove the rotor. This isn't a big deal since they only go on the one bike but I thought it would be nice to easily put the QR ones in so it would go in the truing stand. Having the QR ends helped while building for this reason.
    Whats this line for?

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    I just got a set of nice yellow Nukeproof (Sun Ringle rebadged rims it seems) wheels for under $300 shipped from Chainreaction in UK. A bit on the heavier side, but seem to be some nice wheels.

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    You can't beat the Havoc AM wheels. A buddy of mine has beaten the crap out of the same set for the last 3 years. When he decided to take them in to get trued the wheel builder asked what was wrong with them they don't need any work.

    Price Point has them for $350 pretty tough to beat that deal.
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/167...elset-2010.htm

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    Hmmm ...

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    transition has nice wheelsets, they are 319.

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    I've been running Hope II hubs laced to mavic EN521 hoops for over a year now with no problems at all. Bought from CRC and delived in a week and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    I had every intention of buying the Hope/Flow hoops on CRC, but I can't bring myself to purchase something listed as "out of stock." Thoughts?
    The prices for those just increased. I've been thinking about getting a second set as spares for when I finally kill one of mine, then the price hopped up $60 bucks. It's still a fantastic deal though. Tubeless-ready, light, and strong for just over $400. It's a moot point for you though. Looks like they won't be in stock until late Feb, and I'm guessing you don't want to wait that long to start enjoying your new bike.

    Just so you know for future reference, Hope Hoops are usually a special order item at CRC. You order from them, they order from their distributor, then you get the wheels. That's what happened to me, and it took about a month in all. Sometimes CRC will get a bunch of wheels, and put them in stock, but that's not too common.

    Anyways, look into the Transition Revolution wheels. I've heard a lot of good about those. $319 for a set, and they can supposedly be set up tubeless also with the Stans conversion kit.

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    Quick question, I ended up buying a On-One 456 Summer Season frame, I know the frame takes a rear 9QR wheel with 135mm hub spacing, but will a 10QR rear wheel also work? I've been seeing a lot of these for sale that I liked, especially the Transition Revolution 32 wheelset. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Quick question, I ended up buying a On-One 456 Summer Season frame, I know the frame takes a rear 9QR wheel with 135mm hub spacing, but will a 10QR rear wheel also work? I've been seeing a lot of these for sale that I liked, especially the Transition Revolution 32 wheelset. Thanks!
    10mm should work, but 12mm won't. I have used 10mm bolt-on axles with a Titus and a Ventana with 9mm dropouts - no issues. Shoot On-One an e-mail and confirm...
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    Normal rear QR is 10mm, I'd be really surprised if the On One was set up for anything else. You sure about that 9mm thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better
    Normal rear QR is 10mm, I'd be really surprised if the On One was set up for anything else. You sure about that 9mm thing?
    Well that's embarrassing. Noob moment of the week. I just confused myself, you're right. I just kept seeing wheels advertised as 10QR or QR. I figured there are 2 different QR sizes for the rear.
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    Been happy with my Transition 25s. Hubs can be set up any which way which is nice. I am running 9mm QR in front and back right now, but I will be able to step up to 20mm in front and 12 in rear (I believe) when ready.

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    So after a few weeks of indecision and going back and forth, I just placed an order on Wiggle.co.uk for the Hope Hoops Pro2 and Mavic EX721 wheelset, ended up being under $380 shipped. Thanks for the help guys! Super excited.
    konahonzo

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    For my money you can't beat the Azonic Outlaw wheelset when trying to stay within a budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonBoy
    For my money you can't beat the Azonic Outlaw wheelset when trying to stay within a budget.
    I did look at that and the Revolution32 wheelset and both are 2500g or so. I'm somewhat trying to watch my weight with this build.

    The Hope Hoops Pro2/Mavic 721 are 2095g and easily convertible axles down the line if need be.
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    Mavic crossline wheels are nice for under 400 they are holding up well and the hubs look cool with the straight pull spokes.I'm prety sure the rear converts from thru axle to 9 mm qr.

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    The best deal(s) on factory wheels:

    Mavic Crossline...$299

    Easton Havoc AM...$288 w/ "realdeal" code

    I don't buy stuff from people who use the word bling, so PP price matched the Eastons for me.

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    I just bought these:

    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1545500_400219

    They are a remakably similar (in my limited experience) to the Easton Havoc AM wheel. There is a nice review and comments here:

    http://trianglemtb.com/yabbse/index....&topic=22873.0

    I just got mine mounted... so far so good... seeming high quality build and easily changeable between QR, 15 and 20 axles. Not too bad on weight at 1938grams.

    Best of Luck,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jscusmcvet
    I just bought these:

    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1545500_400219

    They are a remakably similar (in my limited experience) to the Easton Havoc AM wheel. There is a nice review and comments here:

    http://trianglemtb.com/yabbse/index....&topic=22873.0

    I just got mine mounted... so far so good... seeming high quality build and easily changeable between QR, 15 and 20 axles. Not too bad on weight at 1938grams.

    Best of Luck,

    John
    I bought a set of these this summer and have used them on my Heckler on varied Colorado terrain. I set them up ghetto tubeless with Maxxis Minion DHF Exo's and had no trouble doing so. Great bargain wheel.

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    Forgot to mention the Forte Xenduro price of only $229 per wheelset.

    Got ina quick ride on my rough dirt road tohis evening and I can definietly say I feel a differnce in the crispness of the engagement and the overall weight. Can't wait to get on some singletrack once things dry out a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    So after a few weeks of indecision and going back and forth, I just placed an order on Wiggle.co.uk for the Hope Hoops Pro2 and Mavic EX721 wheelset, ended up being under $380 shipped. Thanks for the help guys! Super excited.
    BTW, priced this combo out now on UniversalCycles.com custom wheel builder (where I intended to buy) and it came out to be $542.

    Such a big price difference between US built Hope Hoops and UK ones.

    Original plan even before I started looking at wheels was building up the Mavic EX721 rims with Shimano SLX hubs, which came out to be $285 on Universal Cycles. So in the end, I'm about $100 over my planned wheel budget, but as we all know, it happens.

    konahonzo

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    Mavic 317's are pretty much bomb proof.
    I had them on my C-Dale Rush and beat the living tar out of them for 2 full seasons. Stayed straight as an arrow, and they do not weigh that much. You can find them for great prices too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    I had every intention of buying the Hope/Flow hoops on CRC, but I can't bring myself to purchase something listed as "out of stock." Thoughts?
    I have a Hope Hoops Pro 2/521 wheelset, no complaints at all. Even comes with 20mm axle converters, spare spokes/nipple, rimtape and the stickers aren't on the rim by default. Perfect.

    They do suffer on price going to the US though. Over here the Hoops sets cost a chunk less than equivalent wheels. Factor in shipping (or buying from US dealers) and I doubt they're quite so competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade
    I have a Hope Hoops Pro 2/521 wheelset, no complaints at all. Even comes with 20mm axle converters, spare spokes/nipple, rimtape and the stickers aren't on the rim by default. Perfect.

    They do suffer on price going to the US though. Over here the Hoops sets cost a chunk less than equivalent wheels. Factor in shipping (or buying from US dealers) and I doubt they're quite so competitive.
    The green Hope Hoops stickers or even the rim brand decal are not applied?
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    The big green Hope stickers, I'm afraid the rim manufacturer's stickers are still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    The green Hope Hoops stickers or even the rim brand decal are not applied?
    My Hope wheelsets came with DT and Stan's stickers. Removed them - rotating weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    My Hope wheelsets came with DT and Stan's stickers. Removed them - rotating weight.
    I'm all for factory applied decals.

    It's the ones I put myself that drive me crazy, always crooked with air bubbles. I'm kinda OCD with stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    So after a few weeks of indecision and going back and forth, I just placed an order on Wiggle.co.uk for the Hope Hoops Pro2 and Mavic EX721 wheelset, ended up being under $380 shipped. Thanks for the help guys! Super excited.
    Arrived today, they look great and I'm sure they will be enough wheel for my needs. Arrived super quick from wiggle.co.uk as well.
    konahonzo

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    Would I see any real benefit from the Hope Hoops Pro3 SP-AM4 wheelset?

    Biggest difference is the straight pull spokes. Worth exchanging for?
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    With my new wheelset and tires as mentioned above.... I got my first real ride in today... it has been really wet since I got them, so no chance til now to ry them out.

    I found tyhe biggest difference to be in the handliung of the bike around obstacles. Was riding alone, so to be honest could not tell about speed, but it was easy to see that I had an easier time clearing obstacles that I used to stuggle on. Primary factor here was the weight loss on the wheels and the tires... IMO.
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    I finally bit the bullet myself and ordered wheels. i was going to go with the standard 721/pro 2 combo as everyone I talk to says its bomber and light. I then started reading up on the ringle eq31's and found they are lighter and wider, but also mad strong. So I ended up going with black eq31s and red pro 2s. It should work out great, and around 1900 grams. I ordered from CRC.

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